Saturday Politics Thread: Shankapatomas [Y-not]

What can I say?

I punted.

I had the best intentions. I DVRed the debates and everything! But Life had other plans.

An outfit called Echelon Insights tweeted post-debate reactions and polling. According to their poll of Likely Republican primary voters who watched the debate, Donald Trump won.

EchelonDebateWinnerPoll.jpg

Echelon Insights also generated word clouds from respondents who thought a given candidate "won" the debate.

Here's the one from supporters of Ben Carson:

Here's the one based on people who thought Ted Cruz won:

And here's the one from fans of Donald Trump:

Finally, here's an ideology map based on how each candidate's supporters self-identified:

IdeologyMapSmall.jpg

Color code: Christie=orange, Perry=dark grey, Bush=deep blue, Fiorina=green, Trump=gold, Huckabee=deep purple, Kasich=burgundy, Paul=pink, Walker=aqua, Santorum=olive, Carson=light blue, Jindal=lavender, Rubio=light grey, Cruz=goldenrod

In case you're thinking the debate season has started too soon, you might have forgotten that last time the first debate was in May.

Related: here's a link to the Presidential primary calendar via Frontloading HQ.

**UPDATE**
Link to the GOP Debate schedule. Next debate:

Wednesday, September 16, 2015
CNN/Salem Republican Debate
Aired On: CNN and Salem Radio (Press Release)
Location: Reagan Library in Simi Valley, CA
Sponsors: Reagan Library Foundation, CNN, Salem Media Group
Moderators: Jake Tapper, Hugh Hewitt,
Rules: Split field into Segment B (top 10 candidates) and Segment A (remaining candidates getting at least 1% in polls) (Details)
Candidates: To be determined

Open thread because, face it, there isn't enough content here to hold you to a specific topic!

Posted by: Open Blogger at 08:15 AM




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1
We need an AoShq word cloud:

POOTER
scrunt
FYNQ
ewok...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 08, 2015 08:21 AM (iQIUe)

2 repost form bottom of last

So let me put this very carefully. It might not be paranoid of Cohen to worry that there are powerful forces out to get his boss. Consider the case I made yesterday for why Trump's candidacy is eventually doomed: Most importantly, the Republican Party is vehemently opposed to his nomination, a wee bit of a problem for Trump since it's the Republican Party's nomination to bestow. Yes, there are rules that govern the nomination process, but it's the Republican Party that establishes the rules, interprets the rules and, if it absolutely had to, could change the rules. In the (unlikely) event that Trump survived the campaign long enough to have a mathematical chance at the nomination, influential members of the Republican Party would be expected to coordinate -- some might even say conspire -- to deny it to him.

The party has a lot of other tricks to deploy before it comes to that, however, including working to influence the tenor of the media coverage of the campaign.


h/t fivethirtyeight.com

This is what I was afraid would happen to Cruz.
They make their own rules.
Like this entire administration is right now.

So dangerous.

Trust no one.

That is why we need a third party, but, alas, that would soon be corrupted...


(time to go for a walk. it's such a nice morning)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 08, 2015 08:21 AM (qCMvj)

3 Fox News 'won' the debate. Megyn Kelly 'won' the debate. The supporting cast of thousands were simply the backdrop in a Cecil B. DeMille extravaganza.

Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 08:22 AM (H5bOq)

4 Heh. Cruz=Goldenrod

Posted by: freaked at August 08, 2015 08:23 AM (BO/km)

5 It's true. Trump has the dead cat demographic sewn up.

Posted by: Pixy and the Hamsters at August 08, 2015 08:24 AM (2yngH)

6 We are closer to a split of the GOP than ever before, and quite honestly it has to happen.

This party's a bigger joke than the front runner who isn't a member of it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 08:26 AM (1SRec)

7 So if someone was to plagiarize some shit, would that be overlooked?




Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Hair Plugs Joe Biden at August 08, 2015 08:26 AM (0FSuD)

8 This is what I was afraid would happen to Cruz.

They make their own rules.


Oh, it's exactly what I expect will happen with Trump--and that's the point of the exercise.

A public, obvious screwjob of "the people's candidate"? The RNC may as well appear on live television slitting their wrists and cutting their throats. Trump would head for a third party run and the GOP would wind up wondering how the hell it went so wrong while watching someone else taking the oath of office in January '17 (whether Trump or a Democrat is immaterial to this scenario).

And nobody would ever trust it again.

Choose the form of the destroyer.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, stockpiling mead at August 08, 2015 08:26 AM (m9V0o)

9 A Michigan Republican lawmaker has an email sent to his own supporters falsely claiming he had been caught having sex with a male prostitute, apparently believing such a smear campaign would help distract attention from an alleged extramarital affair between him and another lawmaker.

http://bit.ly/1T9vCvY
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 06:31 AM (kdS6q)
---
False fag operation.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 08, 2015 08:27 AM (ktNqo)

10 Despite the flaws with Fox's format/approach, which did seem to be mostly about promoting Fox News and their personalities, the silver lining is that BOTH debates were watched. Even the "undercard" debate had the third most viewers for a debate in history -- and twice Jon Stewart's last show. So that's something.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:27 AM (RWGcK)

11 I had to google "yuge". I looks like a lot of youngsters must like Trump, also.

Posted by: must be too old at August 08, 2015 08:29 AM (3MNCs)

12 I do like Ben Carson's strong showing in the poll.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 08:29 AM (1SRec)

13 Tennessee Lesbian Couple faked hate crime and destroyed own home with arson for insurance claim, jury rules.

Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 08:29 AM (H5bOq)

14 I am nota likely primary voter this time so my opinion doesn't count but I'll give it anyway. None of them are worth a shit.

Posted by: Vic at August 08, 2015 08:31 AM (GpgJl)

15 @11
ICYMI, that Trump one may have been "enhanced" by me. :-)

Also, I updated the thread with link to the GOP Debate schedule.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:33 AM (RWGcK)

16 "Dead cat" and "rug"...heh.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 08:35 AM (dxw2/)

17 I'm guessing: Honest, Dead cat, Yuge and Rug were your "clarifications".

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 08, 2015 08:36 AM (x3GpS)

18 You can add "Bleeding" to that.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 08, 2015 08:37 AM (x3GpS)

19 Boy, Jebba really stinks up that ideology map.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 08:39 AM (dxw2/)

20 Missed the whole morning thread, didn't think I got up that late!

Posted by: Colin at August 08, 2015 08:39 AM (HmecY)

21 >>I'm guessing: Honest, Dead cat, Yuge and Rug were your "clarifications".

Frighteningly, "honest" was a legitimate response from Trump supporters.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:39 AM (RWGcK)

22 Oh, goody, Stormfront woke up early.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:40 AM (RWGcK)

23 @19

Wow. Nazi much?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 08:40 AM (dxw2/)

24 Bing News Headlines : too bloody depressing to repeat.

Let's try Google News.

Jeb Bush sells out to bloody hipsters. (Paraphrased)

Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 08:40 AM (H5bOq)

25 #15

Now I had to google "ICYMI". This internet thing is really hard to get used to; I'll just go back to watching reruns of "Golden Girls".

Posted by: must be too old at August 08, 2015 08:41 AM (3MNCs)

26 9 A Michigan Republican lawmaker has an email sent to his own supporters falsely claiming he had been caught having sex with a male prostitute, apparently believing such a smear campaign would help distract attention from an alleged extramarital affair between him and another lawmaker.

http://bit.ly/1T9vCvY
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 06:31 AM (kdS6q)
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False fag operation.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 08, 2015 08:27 AM (ktNqo)

snort.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 08:41 AM (AkOaV)

27 The silent majority, If you spam the thread with your nonsense, you will be zapped. So cut it out.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:41 AM (RWGcK)

28 11 I had to google "yuge". I looks like a lot of youngsters must like Trump, also.
Posted by: must be too old at August 08, 2015 08:29 AM (3MNCs)

"yuge" is Trump-speak for "huge"

And, for the record "rug" and "dead cat" are two possibilities for whatever it is that sits on top of his head.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 08:43 AM (AkOaV)

29 Bing News Headlines : too bloody depressing to repeat.



Let's try Google News.


Stay away from Yahoo News, usually 50% Global Warming articles, usually from sources I never heard of before.

Posted by: Colin at August 08, 2015 08:44 AM (HmecY)

30
Wow. Nazi much?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 08:40 AM (dxw2/)



The little lefty troll was in the last thread. Republicans/conservatives are all misogynistic white supremacists. Tired little shit is probably from the Think Progress

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2015 08:44 AM (DiZBp)

31 *poof!*

Which, incidentally, is most likely a good descriptor of our spammer.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:45 AM (RWGcK)

32 The little lefty troll was in the last thread. Republicans/conservatives are all misogynistic white supremacists. Tired little shit is probably from the Think Progress

It's Hector.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 08:46 AM (1SRec)

33 Frighteningly, "honest" was a legitimate response from Trump supporters.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:39 AM


Like him or not, teh Donald does project a strong air of truth-telling. I think that, not his roadkill hair or harsh Noo Yawk speech mode, frightens the GOPe most.

And that's why I'm for him. At least until the "Republicans" wise up and offer us a candidate who isn't tainted with the stench of Washington Insider fatcat-ism.

I see Salem Communications -- the fatuous corporate daddy of Poppin' Fresh's Tepid Air -- is a sponsor of the next "debate." Will they ban Trump from that, too?

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 08:46 AM (0atQl)

34 We need an AoShq word cloud:

POOTER
scrunt
FYNQ
ewok...

Forgot:

longbows vs crossbows!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 08, 2015 08:46 AM (iQIUe)

35 thanks ynot....great job as always......btw....my kids play some phone game called agar . io ....that ideology map looks like that game.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 08, 2015 08:47 AM (0O7c5)

36 And, for the record "rug" and "dead cat" are two possibilities for whatever it is that sits on top of his head.

The word cloud convinces me most of his supporters are doing it because it's funny.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 08:47 AM (1SRec)

37 Don't know how Walker wound up at the bottom of that Echelon poll. They guy did nothing but help himself in the past debate.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 08:52 AM (dxw2/)

38 So we now know that 20-25% of the Right is dumb as rocks. I give up.

Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 08:53 AM (7u7u7)

39 I'm not a fan of Salem or Hewitt, but it could be good having Tapper involved in that next debate.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:53 AM (RWGcK)

40 In not-OT news, Breitbart is asserting that Fiorina has come out -- via twatter -- in support of Megyn Kelly in her "feud" with teh Donald.

Good-bye, Carly. Write when you find work.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 08:54 AM (0atQl)

41 The word cloud convinces me most of his supporters are doing it because it's funny.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 08:47 AM


Bevel, Y-not "enhanced" the Donald word cloud. See #15.

Posted by: olddog in mo at August 08, 2015 08:55 AM (4G861)

42 You can add "Bleeding" to that.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 08, 2015 08:37 AM (x3GpS)


Ha-ha-ha. Clicked on the Drudge link first thing this morning. I thought his "wherever" was the typical end of sentence, stream of thought style for Trump. In no way did I take as a reference to her period. Sheesh.

Then I read that King Pearl Clutcher Erick Erickson uninvited Trump from RS15 because he thinks Trump will go all hormonal crazy on a hypothetical female hostile-questioner.

Then EE invites Megyn Kelly in Trump's place? WTF?

Does anybody here think Trump was referring to Kelly's menstrual cycle?

Posted by: Joanne at August 08, 2015 08:55 AM (indTK)

43 So, given the poll, was Trump right about the Luntz group being staged?

Trump isn't my guy, but to be honest I thought at the time that group seemed ridiculous. He wasn't great, but he didn't do much to hurt his "brand." So it was shocking to see about 66% of the group say they came in as Trump supporters and almost all of them say they no longer supported him.

Posted by: Boone at August 08, 2015 08:56 AM (bLfK+)

44 My Willowed comment:

If the movers and shakers push Trump out without addressing the things
that are leading people to say they support him, they risk worsening the
division and confirming the notion that the leadership doesn't give a
shit about any opinion but their own.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 08:56 AM (oVJmc)

45 Don't know how Walker wound up at the bottom of that Echelon poll. They guy did nothing but help himself in the past debate.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 08:52 AM


Imagine how poorly he would have polled if he hadn't "done well" in the "debate!" There are some people who just never get traction with the General Public -- T-Paw, for example -- and li'l Scotty just may be one of them. I think Jindal is another.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 08:56 AM (0atQl)

46 Trump CONSTANTLY lies, yet his supporters claim he is a "truth teller." God help us.

Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 08:56 AM (7u7u7)

47 "I give up."


We do have a sizable "LIV" contingent on our own side as well. Just vote GOP and everything will be fine, yada, yada, etc.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 08:56 AM (dxw2/)

48 Bevel, Y-not "enhanced" the Donald word cloud. See #15.

Hah, I missed that. I'd totally believe if it were true.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 08:57 AM (1SRec)

49 So how long will Rand Paul stay in it? It seems as if his candidacy has not caught on past his core support, much of which seems to be former Ron supporters. I think Trump's candidacy may be sucking the most out of Rand's campaign.

And if he drops out, will he back Cruz or Rubio... or no one? I would think he's ideologically closest to Cruz, but he might not want to strengthen his closest rival and decide to back Rubio, who I'm sure is Mitch McConnell's preferred candidate.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:58 AM (RWGcK)

50 I now hate a segment of the Right almost as much as I hate Progressive psychopaths on the Left. YOU. ARE. DUMB.

Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 08:58 AM (7u7u7)

51 Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 08:54 AM (0atQl)

Yeah, she did. Hot Gas posted her tweets.

Posted by: Joanne at August 08, 2015 08:58 AM (indTK)

52 Posted by: Joanne at August 08, 2015 08:55 AM

Well, to be fair, Erick is a Fox News contributor so he was probably doing what Rupert or Roger told him to do if he wanted to keep his gig.

Posted by: olddog in mo at August 08, 2015 08:59 AM (4G861)

53 Trump would have been ok if he had stuck with the 'blood shooting out of her eyes' comment, but he went too bloody far when he extended that remark, the conservative republican white male privileged patriarchal buffoon blow hard hot air gas bag.

/half sarcasm, ok, more than half by word count.

Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 08:59 AM (H5bOq)

54 OMG! Is it an election year already?

Oh yeah, it's election year for Governor here in Louisiana.

Senator Vitter is running to replace Gov Jindal.

Out to mow the out of control yard before the temp reaches 90, then 100+...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at August 08, 2015 08:59 AM (KpEyG)

55 " Trump CONSTANTLY lies, yet his supporters claim he is a "truth teller." God help us."


What does he lie about? He admitted to paying off politicians in the debate. Everyone does that. EVERYONE. He just had the guts to say it. And no pol' had the guts to admit it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:00 AM (dxw2/)

56 Does anybody here think Trump was referring to Kelly's menstrual cycle?

Posted by: Joanne at August 08, 2015 08:55 AM


For all I know, he could have been referring to her Honda cycle. I mean, who cares? Megyn took a cheap, dumbshit shot at Trump, and he reacted by throwing dung right back at her. That's how he rolls.

I'm not looking for President Nice Guy. If I were, it'd probably be some damn doofus like Jeb! or Cruz or Shuckabee. I want President Hardass, who will stand up for both himself and his country.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 09:01 AM (0atQl)

57
Does anybody here think Trump was referring to Kelly's menstrual cycle?

Posted by: Joanne at August 08, 2015 08:55 AM (indTK)

no.....i didn't....but the haters all do and boy are they running with it......i'm not a supporter of his....i'm enjoying his pot stirring though......i'm amazed at the people who think that a visit from the clinton's would convince him to run so the clinton's could win.....but smart people are saying that too......2Timothy 4:3-4

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 08, 2015 09:01 AM (0O7c5)

58 @43 staged as much as the supposedly "undecided" voters from Long Island who got pulled in for that one debate in '12.

Posted by: Czar Peter at August 08, 2015 09:01 AM (yvcVl)

59 >>So, given the poll, was Trump right about the Luntz group being staged?

Good question.

The Echelon Poll is a "google poll" so I'm not sure if it's based on interviews.

Also, I would think the dynamic of watching a debate as a member of a focus group might tend to make one more "serious" and less patient with theatrics. I mean, you're sitting there keenly aware of being monitored and of how your time is being used, so the more flamboyant candidates might not fare as well.

Just a theory. I have no idea.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:02 AM (RWGcK)

60 I'm glad Erick Erickson disinvited me. Ya know, last week he was in my office asking for money for somethin'; some cuckold video series he wanted to subscribe to, or somethin' like that. Anyway, I told him: No, you're a loser. If you subscribe to anything it should be my Art of the Deal series which has sold more than any other videos in history. They're very classy, very high production values. So, anyway, we're goin' to do our own event today, it will be yuuuge, and by the end of the day know one will remember that other guy's name.

Posted by: The Donald at August 08, 2015 09:03 AM (nFdGS)

61 And we find ourselves talking about monthly cycles....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:05 AM (dxw2/)

62 >>61 And we find ourselves talking about monthly cycles....

I blame Bill Clinton and the blue dress.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:06 AM (RWGcK)

63 Luntz can not be trusted, he has already been exposed once stacking his group by his selection method, though the early morning fog prevents me from remembering exactly where that was.

and there isn't any way luntz can ask his polling questions without leading the respondent toward the answer he wants.

and the liberal left has learned how to infiltrate any gathering of otherwise innocent unsuspecting people in an attempt to highlight the progressive agenda.

Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 09:06 AM (H5bOq)

64 In a letter sent to the U.S. State Department and just filed today with U.S. federal Judge Emmet G. Sullivan, the counsel for Cheryl Mills wrote: "Ms. Mills does not believe that she has paper copies of potential records in her possession. Following our production on August 10, 2015 [of the defense counsel's version of the electronic records], we have instructed her to delete any and all electronic records in her possession."

That is a far stretch from a statement by Ms. Mills under penalty of perjury, and she and her lawyers are planning to delete the emails Judge Sullivan wants produced?

Judicial Watch has made an emergency filing in Judge Sullivan's court to stop the further destruction of evidence of what may very well be assorted criminal conduct and violations of numerous federal laws.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 08, 2015 09:07 AM (e8kgV)

65 So we now know that 20-25% of the Right is dumb as rocks. I give up.
Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 08:53 AM (7u7u7)

The current Speaker of the House and Senate Majority Leader are getting so much done, right?

I have voted against the other guy (hell, most of us have - except those who stay home based on conservative "principles" like letting the other guy get elected) for too long.

The lesser of two evils approach isn't cutting it.

The base prognosticated Reagan II in 2008 when they didn't vote against Obama by voting "for" McCain. We got Mitt in 2012.

Trump is the current result of that brilliant plan conjured up in 2008. Like it or not.

Is fiscal conservatism/social liberalism (live and let live - do what you want, pay for it yourself - don't tread on me - liberty type classic liberalism) really an oxymoron and mutually exclusive?

I posit that it is not.

We just need an eloquent presentation regarding General Welfare. It is to be promoted, not provided. Promotion is done via a strong economy that enables charity at massive levels and a don't fcuk with us military etc etc.

Providing it creates an almost unbeatable voter base. It is incredibly simple yet hard to 'splain.

Posted by: i like anchors at August 08, 2015 09:07 AM (6E2VN)

66 I now hate a segment of the Right almost as much as I hate Progressive psychopaths on the Left. YOU. ARE. DUMB.


Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 08:58 AM (7u7u7)

Karl Rove, ladies and gentlemen.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:10 AM (oVJmc)

67 Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 08, 2015 09:01 AM (0O7c5)

I'm not a supporter either but this whole period thing is just ridiculous.

Posted by: Joanne at August 08, 2015 09:11 AM (indTK)

68 Sooner or later we're going to have to call Trump supporters what they are: traitors who are intentionally trying to damage our country.

Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 09:12 AM (7u7u7)

69 I am under constant cyber attack--Chinese hackers. They have probed the depths of my artificial intelligence. So far, they have found nothing.

Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at August 08, 2015 09:12 AM (Gcu5R)

70 What does he lie about? He admitted to paying off politicians in the debate. Everyone does that. EVERYONE. He just had the guts to say it. And no pol' had the guts to admit it.

You already forgot about this from October 2012?:

Donald Trump today pledged $5 million to a charity of President Obama's choice, provided the president makes public his college applications and transcripts and releases his passport history, a far cry from the October-surprise bombshell Trump had promised.

Classic Donald bait & switch. He's sleazier than Obama.

Posted by: gewa76 at August 08, 2015 09:13 AM (S9rS1)

71 Trump doesn't lie? In the debate he said (1) he gave money to Rand Paul -- not true -- and (2) he only said those misogynist things about Rosie O'Donnell -- not true. That's just two things from the debate right off the top of my head.

Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 09:14 AM (7u7u7)

72
Posted by: Rump Rash

STFU, dunce.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:15 AM (sKfaR)

73 Yep, the guy leading in August always wins!

Posted by: President Guiliani at August 08, 2015 09:15 AM (FiRKz)

74 Sooner or later we're going to have to call Trump
supporters what they are: traitors who are intentionally trying to
damage our country.
Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 09:12 AM (7u7u7)



Sounds like you're on Team Sooner.

Posted by: mugiwara at August 08, 2015 09:15 AM (Iuo7N)

75 Does Trump lie more than, say, Mitch McConnell?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:15 AM (oVJmc)

76 "traitors who are intentionally trying to damage our country. "


Oy vey.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:15 AM (dxw2/)

77
I see that some of the Stockholm Syndrome sufferers are up early today.

Republicans HATE you. Stop supporting them.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:16 AM (sKfaR)

78

Oh. We have a Jebutante this morning


Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:16 AM (zOTsN)

79 "Sounds like you're on Team Sooner."


I knew it. An Okie.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:16 AM (dxw2/)

80
Trump's gonna ruin it for my Republicans!!

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:18 AM (sKfaR)

81 Trump has supported every Progressive idea that has come down the pike, he has given lots and lots of money to Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, and he has said he is more Democrat than Republican -- yet some so-called "conservatives" think he's the Great Right Wing Hope. DUMB. AS. ROCKS.

Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 09:18 AM (7u7u7)

82 Trump is potentially creating a third party to lead within the "GOP" (whatever the hell we are these days).

That concept warrants serious contingency thinking. That concept is the root of what created the tea party during Bush's tenure. We finally spoke regarding fiscal frivolity. Bush was no fiscal conservative. We need a fiscal conservative. To hell with the social issues. There won't be anything left of us to argue about. without the power of money.

Whether he manages to "evolve" as that leader or not, the position is theoretically there. The Trumpnado phenomenon evidences it very well.

Posted by: i like anchors at August 08, 2015 09:18 AM (6E2VN)

83 meanwhile the jeb thinks clinton is his brother.....you know what?....jeb is running because he want's his sis in law hillary to win!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 08, 2015 09:19 AM (0O7c5)

84 Does anybody here think Trump was referring to Kelly's menstrual cycle?
Posted by: Joanne at August 08, 2015 08:55 AM (indTK)


Any stick to beat a dog, any pretext to exclude a political rival

Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2015 09:19 AM (3pRHP)

85 Pre-caucus/primary front runners are meaningless. The Donald , and his supporters, are those drivers in a thousand car traffic jam that lay on their horns.

The Donald: first and loudest, those that spend worthless poll or internet votes are those that join in the cacophony ...

Posted by: Socalcon at August 08, 2015 09:19 AM (DAB5r)

86
Ah, so then your argument for hating Trump is that he acts like most Republicans in Congress.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:20 AM (sKfaR)

87 Trump has supported every Progressive idea that has come down the pike

So you're saying he's just like McConnell and Boehner?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:20 AM (oVJmc)

88 No one here is Team Trump. We are not fan boys and girls


We are Team Fence and Border Security. Which no one was talking about until Trump

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:21 AM (zOTsN)

89 Pappy O'Daniel: "...they risk worsening the division and confirming the notion that the leadership doesn't give a
shit about any opinion but their own."


That has already been established.

Not snark. The leadership hates conservatives/libertarians. It has just coasted on 1) lesser of evils and 2) where are you suckers going to go?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2015 09:21 AM (1CroS)

90 Ah, so then your argument for supporting Trump is that he acts like most Republicans in Congress.

Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 09:21 AM (7u7u7)

91
I am Team Fuck You GOP.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:21 AM (sKfaR)

92 Trump doesn't lie? In the debate he said (1) he gave money to Rand Paul -- not true

That's not what Trump said. He said he contributed to most of the candidates running. Anymore lies you care to spew?

Posted by: olddog in mo at August 08, 2015 09:22 AM (4G861)

93 The important thing is to keep the best candidates (Walker and Cruz) OUT of the glare of the media spotlight, for as long as possible. Media (incl Fox) ONLY care about a) ad revenue, and, for the MSM, b) butchering good GOP candidates. Therefore, Trump and all the rest are solid decoy targets, and let them garner all the attention.

Posted by: iceland rocks at August 08, 2015 09:22 AM (5wJF2)

94
I am also Team Eat Shit Republican Supporters.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:22 AM (sKfaR)

95 Rump Rash who is your preferred candidate. Name names

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:22 AM (zOTsN)

96 "Trump has supported every Progressive idea that has come down the pike

So you're saying he's just like McConnell and Boehner?"

And I don't support McConnell, Boehner, or Trump. SEE THE CONSISTENCY, MORON?


Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 09:23 AM (7u7u7)

97 Trump/Fiorina 2016

Potentially a SMoD ticket

I love what Cruz represents, but he is just too damned civil for me. I like passion and emotion and humanity.

Wish I could go back in time and see how our Founding Fathers communicated. I can't picture them acting like James Lipton. Can you?

They probably yelled once in a while. They probably said some crass stuff. Don't you think? FFS. GO to hell, rump.

Posted by: i like anchors at August 08, 2015 09:23 AM (6E2VN)

98 Well I'm not voting for Trump.

Posted by: Dead Cat at August 08, 2015 09:24 AM (2XMpf)

99 "We are Team Fence and Border Security. Which no one was talking about until Trump"


Heh. I like.


Reporting for duty. It's hot, nasty, but, somebody's gotta do it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:24 AM (dxw2/)

100 Rump Rash who is your preferred candidate

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:24 AM (zOTsN)

101
Look at how the Republicans are trying to caste out Trump for saying things they don't want to be said. The Republicans, including that phony twat Carly Fiorina who is far more progressive than Trump, are using the Left's ugly tactics against Trump.

What do you think the Republicans think of You and will do to You when you say things they don't want to hear?

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:24 AM (sKfaR)

102 Walker.
I find Fiorina interesting, but her record at HP is problematisch.

Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 09:25 AM (7u7u7)

103 Rump Rash who is your preferred candidate. Name names

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:22 AM


His masters haven't yet told him who to vote for. They just ordered him to "stir shit" and that takes all his concentration.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 09:25 AM (0atQl)

104 i like anchors: "Trump/Fiorina 2016"

Not happening. Fiorina has backed Megyn against Trump. Trump would never appoint Fiorina now if he got the top spot. And how could Fiorina possibly choose Trump?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2015 09:26 AM (1CroS)

105
Her record of trying to turn a profit, or her record of failing at trying to turn a profit?

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:27 AM (sKfaR)

106 Donald Trump campaigns for president

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFT083GhycM

Give'm bloody hell!

Give'm hell Harry, site:imdb.com. (Who knew they made a movie?)

Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 09:27 AM (H5bOq)

107
You guys are arguing with a Leftist troll, in case you haven't figured it out yet.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:27 AM (sKfaR)

108 We are Team Fence and Border Security. Which no one was talking about until Trump
Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:21 AM (zOTsN)

Exactly!

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 09:27 AM (cbfNE)

109 Well I won't vote for Trump, I won't vote for Jeb!, and I won't vote for Hillary.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 08, 2015 09:28 AM (2XMpf)

110 Anonymous drivel -

Possibly so. However, there is a lot of time between now and then.

Posted by: i like anchors at August 08, 2015 09:28 AM (6E2VN)

111 It is simply inconceivable to me and millions of other people how ANYONE could watch Donald Trump for even 5 minutes and not see that he is a complete fraud and buffoon. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 09:28 AM (7u7u7)

112 Good Walker. So Rump Rash do you concede no other candidate brought border security to the forefront like Trump? And Walker was sort of a "free flow of labor" kind of open borders guy. At least before Trump. Can you concede that while Trump has some very liberal views he succeeded in dragging the party right?

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:28 AM (zOTsN)

113 Fiorina has backed Megyn against Trump.

Now everyone can see why HP canned her. She ain't the sharpest tool.

Trump would never appoint Fiorina now if he got the top spot.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2015 09:26 AM (1CroS)


He never would, anyway. Carly is gung-ho for giving aid and comfort to invading illegals.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 08, 2015 09:29 AM (MYSVz)

114 You guys are arguing with a Leftist troll, in case you haven't figured it out yet.

I figure he's a hardcore Graham supporter.

You know how high-strung they are.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:29 AM (oVJmc)

115 but her record at HP is problematisch. Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 09:25 AM

You a Hun, boy? Your paymasters using foreign labor to do the trolling jobs Americans won't do?

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 09:29 AM (0atQl)

116 Hey chemjeff,

Will you vote against Hillary?

Or the D nominee, whatever it is?

Posted by: i like anchors at August 08, 2015 09:30 AM (6E2VN)

117 Bugger off, Rash. Your act is done.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:30 AM (dxw2/)

118 Just saw a tweet that says an email from the "Trump camp" to wapo includes this: "...blame Erick Erickson, your weak and pathetic leader..."

Hah.
You go Donald. I can't stand that shrimp.

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 09:30 AM (cbfNE)

119 I keep reading every body saying Trump is doomed, but I have to ask: At what point has anyone been correct about Trump so far?

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 08, 2015 09:31 AM (F+xWX)

120 It is simply inconceivable to me and millions of other people how ANYONE could watch Donald Trump for even 5 minutes and not see that he is a complete fraud and buffoon. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

We're not called morons for nothing!

Posted by: gewa76 at August 08, 2015 09:32 AM (S9rS1)

121 118 Just saw a tweet that says an email from the "Trump camp" to wapo includes this: "...blame Erick Erickson, your weak and pathetic leader..."

Hah.
You go Donald. I can't stand that shrimp.


Erick's obviously on the rag, too.

Posted by: Donald Trump at August 08, 2015 09:32 AM (1SRec)

122 116
Hey chemjeff,



Will you vote against Hillary?



Or the D nominee, whatever it is?

Posted by: i like anchors at August 08, 2015 09:30 AM (6E2VN)

Oh I'll vote against Hillary, just not for Trump or Jeb.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 08, 2015 09:32 AM (2XMpf)

123 False fag operation.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner

Code Punk'd.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 08, 2015 09:32 AM (gTlHG)

124 I actually like Megyn more than I like Trump, on a personal level. But in the roles they are, where Megyn is part of the media trying to control the narrative, and Trump is the one trying to talk about issues the public actually cares about, I think my interests lie with Trump. I am sick of the media propaganda machine, even when attractively packaged.

Media delenda est.

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 09:32 AM (cbfNE)

125 Trump is unelectable. OBVIOUSLY. If you don't agree with that statement a priori, then you are the dumbest of the dumb.

Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 09:33 AM (7u7u7)

126 If they don't let him on the stage or give him a mic, if the nets embargo him like a Planned Parenthood story, then he is done

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:33 AM (zOTsN)

127 @119 Dude will walk up you and fcukin' whap you.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:33 AM (dxw2/)

128
Erickson is a tool for the Republicans. His conservative bona fides have long been suspect.

How dumb of him to disrespect Trump like that -- and torpedo his own stupid event that no one gives about.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:33 AM (sKfaR)

129 It's simply not true that no one was talking seriously about immigration before Trump.

For example, Bobby Jindal was talking about immigration and border security last January during his speech in London. He's the one who drew the distinction between immigration and invasion.

http://gov.louisiana.gov/index.cfm?md=newsroom&tmp=detail&articleID=4805

That is my biggest frustration with people who are supporting Trump's run (or cheering him on while saying they probably won't vote for him). They are painting every other GOP candidate with the Jeb Bush brush. All it is accomplishing is hurting the non-Jebs, which will lead to us having the choice of GOPe's first pick (Jeb) or their backup plan (Rubio).

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:33 AM (RWGcK)

130 It's Saturday, boring as hell since all the top talent takes the weekend off, there is no news, (court jesters, puppet theater, and a somnolent public) and we have to amuse ourselves with the interns and second stringers.

Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 09:33 AM (H5bOq)

131 Electable. Like McCain. Or Romney.

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:34 AM (zOTsN)

132 81 Trump has supported every Progressive idea that has come down the pike, he has given lots and lots of money to Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, and he has said he is more Democrat than Republican -- yet some so-called "conservatives" think he's the Great Right Wing Hope. DUMB. AS. ROCKS.
------------
Rump Rash
Isn't the real message in his donations that politicians can be bought???????
That is what you should be outraged about but I guess it went over your head.

Posted by: Chilling the most at August 08, 2015 09:34 AM (zW5rQ)

133

YOU IDIOTS ARE STUPID FOR NOT HATING TRUMP.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:35 AM (sKfaR)

134 "Oh I'll vote against Hillary, just not for Trump or Jeb."


Who?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:35 AM (dxw2/)

135 "The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated."

Posted by: Trump's live cat hat at August 08, 2015 09:35 AM (NeFrd)

136 YOU SEE? YOU SEE?

YOUR STUPID MINDS!

STUPID! STUPID!

Posted by: Diaper Rash at August 08, 2015 09:36 AM (oVJmc)

137 Trump openly admits to buying politicians, then says he's going to put an end to that. FACE PALM.

Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 09:36 AM (7u7u7)

138 Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 09:33 AM (H5bOq)

This may shock you, but there's a great big internet out there. And besides that, there's a great big world with all kind of things to do.

Posted by: jus sayin at August 08, 2015 09:36 AM (FiRKz)

139 ThePrimordialOrderedPair: "He never would, anyway. Carly is gung-ho for giving aid and comfort to invading illegals."

Is that right? I knew she has and would debate well, but I was reserving judgment until I got to review her full record. If true, she is off my list of possibles assuming I even vote GOP now.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2015 09:36 AM (1CroS)

140 Good point YNot. And good on Jindal.


Very little coverage of that story. Trump got coverage because he does not need the establishment republican machine to get it

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:37 AM (zOTsN)

141 134
"Oh I'll vote against Hillary, just not for Trump or Jeb."





Who?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:35 AM (dxw2/)

Oh I don't know, I'll see who the Libertarian or the Constitution parties put up. Or I'll write-in a vote for SMOD.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 08, 2015 09:38 AM (2XMpf)

142 Recent polls show Hillary losing to Walker and other top tier candidates, but clobbering Trump. I wonder why.

Posted by: Rump Rash at August 08, 2015 09:38 AM (7u7u7)

143 I actually like Megyn more than I like Trump, on a
personal level.

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 09:32 AM


Having not met either, I can't say. For all I know, teh Donald could be the nicest guy around when you know him, and Megyn could be a screaming shrew.

Fortunately, it doesn't matter. Someone who puts it on the line and says stuff I believe in doesn't NEED to be likable. He just has to do what he's doing. Which happens to be what the other candidates are NOT doing.

Megyn is just acting like other ego-driven I'm-cuter-and-smarter-than-you-so-kowtow-to-me media types. She can dish it out, but not take it. I don't know if she has that 'tude in person.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 09:38 AM (0atQl)

144 which will lead to us having the choice of GOPe's first pick (Jeb) or their backup plan (Rubio).

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:33 AM


I thought Kasich was their back-up plan. The way he made it to the big boy debate seemed suspect to me.

Posted by: olddog in mo at August 08, 2015 09:38 AM (4G861)

145 I see Red State dropped Trump from its upcoming gathering in Atlanta.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at August 08, 2015 09:39 AM (TRDE0)

146 I'll vote for whomever I please.
Go cry elsewhere.

Posted by: navybrat at August 08, 2015 09:39 AM (JgC5a)

147 As I recall, wasn't Scott Walker in hot water, even before Donald Trump announced, because he said we ought to do something about legal immigration as well as illegal immigration?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 08, 2015 09:39 AM (2XMpf)

148 Diaper rash is chapping my ass.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:39 AM (dxw2/)

149 I can't imagine voting for jeb!

It'd be the first time I considered not voting against a Democrat. I marked McCain FFS. I mean, really. That SUCKED. I can't see myself going through marking jeb!

I might force myself to puke in the booth just to make my weak little statement.



Posted by: i like anchors at August 08, 2015 09:39 AM (6E2VN)

150 139 ThePrimordialOrderedPair: "He never would, anyway. Carly is gung-ho for giving aid and comfort to invading illegals."

---

Is that right?

---

I'm not sure that's true. Even the HP layoffs thing was during a time when ALL of the big IT/computer firms were doing it.

I doubt she's as tough with respect to immigration as I'd like, but I'm not sure if any of them are. Certainly not Trump who has undoubtedly benefited from illegals in his business (which is the fastest growing population of working illegal aliens) and whose "plan" involves making Mexico pay for a fence (LOL) and charging Mexico a fee they won't pay for every illegal here.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:39 AM (RWGcK)

151 Ok I denounce myself.... If it bleeds, it leads.... I'm sorry/notsorry

Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 08, 2015 09:40 AM (BDWpF)

152 Ingraham tweets something true:
With or w/out @realDonaldTrump in race, GOP must face head-on that the fury in the base is as much directed at the GOP as toward Dems.

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 09:40 AM (cbfNE)

153 "I'll vote for whomever I please.
Go cry elsewhere."


Newsletter?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:41 AM (dxw2/)

154
And we find ourselves talking about monthly cycles....
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:05 AM (dxw2/)


Probably a classic Norton. Every 28 days back to the shop.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2015 09:41 AM (3pRHP)

155 Rump rash. What are your views on border security. Scale on one to ten, how important is it to you?

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:41 AM (zOTsN)

156 Funny Funny,
Red State ? That's Funny Eric Ericson told to go Suck it by Karl Denninger @ Maket Ticker Report....
No proof about knees comment by the Trumpet!!!!

again the guy is Teflon and Brash and those Special Turds can Go Back where they come from..

Posted by: Motown Cruzer at August 08, 2015 09:41 AM (/WmRg)

157 As I recall, wasn't Scott Walker in hot water, even before Donald Trump announced, because he said we ought to do something about legal immigration as well as illegal immigration?
--

Yes. Walker has said legal immigration levels should be pegged to unemployment levels or something like that.

He hasn't said much about it lately, however. His campaign confuses me. It's been pretty quiet compared to some of the others. I have to go looking for stories on all of them and his are usually more about political strategy than policy.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:41 AM (RWGcK)

158 Trump/Cruz 2016

Posted by: gdonovan at August 08, 2015 09:41 AM (Ipxoj)

159 ...we have to amuse ourselves...

Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 09:33 AM (H5bOq)


****



You misspelled 'abuse'

Posted by: Ruth Westheimer, diminutive sex therapist extraordinaire at August 08, 2015 09:42 AM (NeFrd)

160 With all due respect to Bobby Jindal, he is never going to be president, nor is he ever even going to be a factor in any presidential race. Of those who are, every single one of them has come out in favor of amnesty at one point or another. The Trump fiasco is showing them that that is a losing proposition.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 08, 2015 09:42 AM (nFdGS)

161 Electable. Like McCain. Or Romney.

McCain was a sacrificial lamb. 2008 was between Hillary and Obama.
Which candidate in 2012 that couldn't beat Romney do you think would've beaten Obama?

Posted by: gewa76 at August 08, 2015 09:43 AM (S9rS1)

162 All of the other candidate were treating illegal immigration like the third rail until Trump. Wasn't Jindals speech after Trump started speaking out?

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:43 AM (zOTsN)

163 "again the guy is Teflon and Brash and those Special Turds can Go Back where they come from.."

I dunno. While I think this latest hullabaloo is stupid, as is Megyn Kelly btw, this could end up being what finally torpedoes his candidacy, if only because it can be spun to provide substance to the charges that the media and GOPe have brought against him all along, and which the LiV types (which, let's face it, inhabit the Right side of the spectrum as much as the Left) will be swayed by.

Hopefully, he'll throw his support to Cruz.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at August 08, 2015 09:44 AM (TRDE0)

164 "All of the other candidate were treating illegal immigration like the third rail until Trump. "



It's so simple. You have a country. You have laws.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:46 AM (dxw2/)

165 But what I don't understand about the Trump supporters, is if it is true that support for Trump does not represent a sincere pledge of support for his candidacy but rather a statement of protest against the GOPe/"Washington Cartel"/the Establishment, what are the goals of this protest? Talk about illegal immigration? Okay, people are talking about it now. For every candidate to pledge to build a wall? What is the end goal here?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 08, 2015 09:46 AM (2XMpf)

166 That is my biggest frustration with people who are
supporting Trump's run (or cheering him on while saying they probably
won't vote for him). They are painting every other GOP candidate with
the Jeb Bush brush.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:33 AM


Sorry, Y-not, but that assertion has more than a faint ring of truth to it. I know some here are big Walker-heads, others are Cruzers, while still others are Jindal-ites.

Each of those three have demonstrated deficiencies -- to me, anyway -- that keep them off my list. In fact, with today's defection of Fiorina to the Megyn Camp, I don't like any of the Unholy 15.

That includes Trump. But, since he is, at least, Taking it to the Man and speaking out, apparently without the aid of pollsters and fatcat consultants, he gets a pass. For now, anyway.

All the above is neither my fault nor yours. Blame rests squarely on the GOPe.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 09:46 AM (0atQl)

167 we have to amuse ourselves with the interns and second stringers.
Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 09:33 AM (H5bOq)

---

I look forward to reading the posts that Ace asks you to write for the blog.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:46 AM (RWGcK)

168 jus sayin at August 08, 2015 09:36 AM (FiRKz)

Jaded may be a concept that is new to you, or perhaps a word not in your vocabulary.

900 channels on cable and nothing worth watching.

Trump this, Trump that, while Obama and the democrats destroy the country and no one seems to know how to stop it, but no matter. In 2017 there will be a different president and he will fix everything.



Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 09:46 AM (H5bOq)

169 I think Trump is done. And they will use this to kill the immigration debate too. It dies with him

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:47 AM (zOTsN)

170
Trump won't be deterred by this bullshit.

That means, next week, the Republican lackeys will once again trot out the argument that Trump is distracting us from talking about substantive issues and clinton's crimes and obama's abuses.



Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:47 AM (sKfaR)

171 "I look forward to reading the posts that Ace asks you to write for the blog.
Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:46 AM (RWGcK)"

Seriously? Where is your submission page?

Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 09:48 AM (H5bOq)

172 Cautious test

Posted by: gdonovan at August 08, 2015 09:48 AM (Ipxoj)

173 chemjeff is reminding me of the complexity of my decision when Perot ran.

That sucked. I wanted to vote for him. I saw him as the lesser of three evils, but, my thoughts were all about "can he win" and doing my little part to keep Clinton out.

I was not a fan of Bush I at all at that time yet I marked him anyway. I'm still pissed about not taking Saddam and standing with the brave Iraqi's who counted on us. Just awful. Awful to abandon yet another people a la Vietnam.

Here we are having done it AGAIN. Makes me sick.
I regret that vote from way back when. But can a third party really emerge and win? Is Trump contributing by creating that possibility? Is his popularity a remnant of the tea party movement?

Who can take advantage of that (if that is indeed what explains the Trumpnado)?

Posted by: i like anchors at August 08, 2015 09:48 AM (6E2VN)

174 Probably a classic Norton. Every 28 days back to the shop. Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2015 09:41 AM

Triumphs and Beezers, too.

And they all leak. No "cycle" to it. Constantly.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 09:49 AM (0atQl)

175 " what are the goals of this protest? Talk about illegal immigration?
Okay, people are talking about it now. For every candidate to pledge to
build a wall? What is the end goal here?"

I think a lot of it probably has to do with understanding the difference between "talking about something because I have to" and "talking about something because I really mean it."

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at August 08, 2015 09:49 AM (TRDE0)

176 Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 09:38 AM (0atQl)

I haven't met either either. I should have said I prefer Megyn's public persona to Trump's.

I agree with you.

Trump s the only one waging war against the media, so I support him being in.
Media delenda est.

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 09:49 AM (cbfNE)

177
And when Trump finally leaves, which he will, the Republicans will go back to talking about Nothing, and the media will go back to asking them about homosexuals, the environment, Iraq, and their war on women.

That's what some of you want, apparently.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:49 AM (sKfaR)

178 Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 09:33 AM (H5bOq)

You are incredibly rude and.... I'll stop there.

Rump Rash, we get your point. No need to be so repetitive.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 09:50 AM (sAXJ5)

179 >>Seriously? Where is your submission page?

I have no idea to what you're referring. None. This isn't Redstate, chump.

Where's yours, cupcake?

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:50 AM (RWGcK)

180 Donald Trump is a loathsome human being. I think there is little doubt or argument about that by now.

The problem is that something like Donald Trump is what happens to the "elites" when they stomp on more moderate (yes, moderate) dissent/reform movements like the Tea Party.

The demonization of the Tea Party movement is one of the primary causes of the Trump phenomenon.

Many of the people who associated with the Tea Party were "just plain folks." They were told in no uncertain terms by their (self-appointed) "betters" that they were racist/sexist/homophobe/whatever and that basically they had no right to hold any opinion whatsoever.

Well, then?

Trump is the embodiment of the natural human reaction to being told to Sit Down and Shut Up.

Trump is a human, walking, bombastic, over-the-top Fuck You to the "establishment."

That's why he won't be going away any time soon.

Posted by: filbert at August 08, 2015 09:50 AM (JvPqF)

181 Not just to talk about illegal immigration but to actually stop it, to deport, to patrol, to build a fence, a dramatic increase in border security

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:50 AM (zOTsN)

182 ", what are the goals of this protest? "

To kill D.C. They are the greatest threat we face right now. I want them de-funded, de-clawed, de-crowned. Gone.



China, Russia. Pfft.


Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:51 AM (dxw2/)

183

Gerry I like her posts and it's the weekend.


Why don't you do something productive like go fuck yourself

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:51 AM (zOTsN)

184 A Biden candidacy is still believed by his associates to be unlikely. It
would dramatically reshape the Democratic race and undercut the sense
of inevitability surrounding Hillary Rodham Clinton.

We are all waiting with breathless anticipation for the announcement. He returns from his retreat on Monday....

Posted by: Colin at August 08, 2015 09:52 AM (HmecY)

185 Seriously? Where is your submission page?
Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 09:48 AM (H5bOq)

Rude and clueless.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 09:52 AM (sAXJ5)

186 And I denounce myself to gird other posters.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:53 AM (dxw2/)

187
Biden is running.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:53 AM (sKfaR)

188 Is that right? I knew she has and would debate well, but I was reserving judgment until I got to review her full record. If true, she is off my list of possibles assuming I even vote GOP now.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2015 09:36 AM (1CroS)


Pixy won't let me post something I copied from breibart. Check out what Carly said in June on Morning Joe. She is "against citizenship" but for "legal status" ... I really can't stand these people who think they're fooling anyone with the "legal status isn't citizenship!!!" BS. It's intellectually offensive.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 08, 2015 09:53 AM (MYSVz)

189
I think Rump Rash is packfudge or whatever his name was-

sounds exactly the same, but

packfudge said he was gone forever.


But, he just can't quit that sweet sweet self-beclowning.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2015 09:53 AM (KUa85)

190 @ 180 - "Trump is the embodiment of the natural human reaction to being told to Sit Down and Shut Up."

Exactly. Trump exists because the GOP-E (with their tendency to try to ram everybody into their ideal inside-the-beltway mold) exists.

You want to get rid of the one? Then get rid of the other.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at August 08, 2015 09:53 AM (TRDE0)

191 Biden is running.
Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:53 AM


Depends.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 09:54 AM (0atQl)

192 Where is your submission page?

Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 09:48 AM (H5bOq)


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Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at August 08, 2015 09:54 AM (NeFrd)

193 Perot was the only candidate I could pretty much but not quite vote FOR versus just against the other guy.

And I compromised myself.

No wonder I am an alcoholic.

I don't see any in this cycle, yet. Just dusting off my damned abacus and trying to crunch numbers really early in the race. Mildly retarded people should not attempt such things.

iCarly - ilikeCarly. I like Cruz.

But but but - could they win?

Hell, Bush beat Gore. That shocked me. So, I guess they could.

Posted by: i like anchors with his abacus at August 08, 2015 09:55 AM (6E2VN)

194 179 >>Seriously? Where is your submission page?

I have no idea to what you're referring. None. This isn't Redstate, chump.

Where's yours, cupcake?
Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:50 AM (RWGcK)
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167 we have to amuse ourselves with the interns and second stringers.
Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 09:33 AM (H5bOq)

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I look forward to reading the posts that Ace asks you to write for the blog.
Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:46 AM (RWGcK)

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That's scary.

Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 09:56 AM (H5bOq)

195
Ha! Depends!

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE JOE BIDEN PROBABLY SHITS HIS PANTS.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:56 AM (sKfaR)

196 Have there been any bannings over at Red State?

Ericka isn't very tough anyway and bans like the pony tailed bike rider. I imagine he's on the war path now. Unless, of course, they're all pussies over there now.

He's weeded out any free thinkers.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 08, 2015 09:56 AM (x3GpS)

197 Posted by: chemjeff at August 08, 2015 09:46 AM (2XMpf)

A commenter, I forget who, put it best the other day.

Trump is SMOD in human form.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 09:56 AM (sAXJ5)

198 Biden is running.

Not with scissors, I hope!

Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2015 09:57 AM (FcR7P)

199 Y'know, if Walker would just come out solidly against illegal immigration, I'd be completely in his camp. I've had my eye on him as potential presidential material for at least two years before anyone in the punditariat was talking about him.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at August 08, 2015 09:57 AM (TRDE0)

200 I think a lot of it probably has to do with understanding the difference between "talking about something because I have to" and "talking about something because I really mean it."
--

But where is the evidence that Trump really means it? I actually did some digging and could find no evidence of him lobbying Congress or POTUS or even his trade group to clamp down on illegals working in the hospitality industry. Was he out there lobbying for E-verify or something else prior to flirting with a Presidential vanity run?

I just don't get why Trump is being held to a lower standard than the others. I don't understand how Thou Shalt Not Criticize Trump became a litmus test.

I mean, the guy switched registrations TO DEMOCRAT in 2001. He was a Democrat when many people were becoming MORE conservative, not less.

I don't get how a person who fed half a million dollars to Democrats, and not just local NY ones, but national turds like Pelosi, is supposed to be changing politics and usual. He's the embodiment of politics as usual.

There are so many aspects of Trump's record that would disqualify anyone else. I really don't get it.

I understand the anger, but I don't understand why people are latching onto Trump. Hell, I'd be more sympathetic if Ron Paul ran again, and you all know how much I like him.

Anyway, I guess we just have to ride this out and hope something clicks for the Trump supporters that motivates them to back a candidate who is not Jeb and who can win.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:57 AM (RWGcK)

201 Diaper Rash is chapping my ass.
Assless chaps? Chapless asses? This is so confusing.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 08, 2015 09:57 AM (gTlHG)

202 Ace of Spades Style Guide- 2012

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at August 08, 2015 09:54 AM


mustn't forget the "ampersand" addendum of 2014

&&&

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 08, 2015 09:58 AM (KCxzN)

203 Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at August 08, 2015 09:54 AM (NeFrd)


Admiral Ackbar => *you know what is happening right*

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 08, 2015 09:58 AM (x3GpS)

204 But, I've spoken too much.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:58 AM (dxw2/)

205 900 channels of television and nothing to watch? I guess reading a book or getting off of your fat ass and going outside would be too much.

Posted by: jus sayin at August 08, 2015 09:58 AM (FiRKz)

206 Trumps 28% who think he won is about the top of his appeal, I think. He is where Perot was in 1992 when I considered voting for him. Then he imploded.

Posted by: Mike K at August 08, 2015 09:58 AM (5namt)

207 Gerry I think you are needed at Hotair

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:59 AM (zOTsN)

208 filbert

Good summation!

The concept is worth smart people examination.

Could be an election that changes our two party system. One that causes the GOP to morph or FOAD.

Posted by: i like anchors with his abacus at August 08, 2015 09:59 AM (6E2VN)

209 Biden is running.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:53 AM (sKfaR)


I hope he's wearing a helmet. he can barely walk on his own.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 08, 2015 09:59 AM (MYSVz)

210 Y'know, I've realized why Erick Erickson sucks.

He basically pulled the 'dog whistle' card, that trump was being sexist without saying anything explicitly sexist.

He's a hair's width away from imagining a 'boy' at the end of sentences.

He's an SJW.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 09:59 AM (ztBTr)

211 jus sayin at August 08, 2015 09:58 AM (FiRKz)

Now that is just rude.

Posted by: Gerry Stoppleoffski at August 08, 2015 10:00 AM (H5bOq)

212 What FOX did now gives license and incentive for the other networks to top them for ratings and turn all of the GOP debates into blood sport.


Now the rest of these "debates" are all going to be the roman
collesium with the GOP candidates as the Christians and the moderators
as the lions.



An extremely bad precedent has been set by a network that is ostensibly conservative.

Because the Democrats are never going to allow FOX to host a debate so once again the GOP and only the GOP is going to be savaged.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 08, 2015 10:00 AM (WVvzl)

213 I think Ben Carson was very well spoken, for a Negro.

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 08, 2015 10:00 AM (ktNqo)

214 Biden is running.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:53 AM (sKfaR)

Isn't he obligated to since his dying son told him to run?

(Something tells me that story is at least embellished. But Biden will plumb to any depths.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 10:00 AM (sAXJ5)

215 @ 200 - "But where is the evidence that Trump really means it?"

There isn't any.

But he's been forceful enough about it that a lot of people think he is. And that's what the original question was really about - perceptions.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at August 08, 2015 10:01 AM (TRDE0)

216 Y-not: I look forward to reading the posts that Ace asks you to write for the blog.

http://instantrimshot.com/



I wish Ace would quit begging me to write regularly for his blog. Constantly refusing his entreaties gets embarrassing.

_____

not with scissors... heh!

Posted by: mindful webworker - hardy har har at August 08, 2015 10:01 AM (cWLG9)

217 The problem is we know the rest of the front runners DO NOT mean it

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 10:01 AM (zOTsN)

218 The bubble map shows that the undecided have no political ideology whatsoever, that they just don't think about these things in their normal lives.

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at August 08, 2015 10:01 AM (8amsk)

219 I wasn't referring to Megyn's mensies but this Erickson loser needs a tampon for his man gash.
Teh Donald

Posted by: steevy at August 08, 2015 10:02 AM (sPO3u)

220 I just don't get why Trump is being held to a lower standard than the others.

He's not. No one forced the others to go all pro-illegal and the few who haven't have decided that raising the legal immigration rates to the roof is the answer.

I don't understand how Thou Shalt Not Criticize Trump became a litmus test.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:57 AM (RWGcK)


Not sure where this idea comes from. I'm seeing a lot of it, lately, though.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 08, 2015 10:02 AM (MYSVz)

221 generated word clouds from respondents

So a lot of Trump respondents used the word "rug".

That's amusing but doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. How does the word cloud receive responses?

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:02 AM (Yrjee)

222 "Y'know, I've realized why Erick Erickson sucks."

Hard to believe Limbaugh tolerates him as a fill-in, isn't it?

Erick Erickson even *sounds* like a mealy little beta male.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at August 08, 2015 10:03 AM (TRDE0)

223 ThePrimordialOrderedPair: She is "against citizenship" but for "legal status" ... I really can't stand these people who think they're fooling anyone with the "legal status isn't citizenship!!!" BS. It's intellectually offensive.

Yeah. Cowardly dodge. There will not be official second class citizens. Any legalization will morph into full citizenship either by legislation or courts. The drive will begin before even the ink dries on the "legal status" papers.

So nix Carly.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2015 10:03 AM (1CroS)

224 But he's been forceful enough about it that a lot of people think he is. And that's what the original question was really about - perceptions.
---

OK, I guess I see that.

I know Jindal has almost no chance of winning, but I loved the smack downs he's been laying with respect to immigration w/o assimilation and Islamic terrorism. Love them. I wish they were getting some traction because, frankly, as a brown person Jindal can say some things that the others can't.

So I'm tossing him bucks just to keep him in the race for a few more months, frankly.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 10:04 AM (RWGcK)

225 Rug=toupe=reference to Trumps crazy hair

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 10:05 AM (zOTsN)

226 >>Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:02 AM

It's a joke. Sorry! Three of those were added by me, hence the "MT" in the tweet.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 10:05 AM (RWGcK)

227 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 08, 2015 10:02 AM (MYSVz)

There are a few hard core Trump supporters who take him seriously and attack any criticism of him. A few, but not many.

The rest seem to just be enjoying the carnage.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 10:05 AM (sAXJ5)

228 Anyway, I guess we just have to ride this out and
hope something clicks for the Trump supporters that motivates them to
back a candidate who is not Jeb and who can win.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:57 AM


You mean someone who has done stuff that's just as despicable as what Trump did (* cough * Cruz's so-called performance -- and non-performance -- in Congress * cough *), but is acceptable to Our Betters in the Great Game of Politics?

Y-not, I have not seen anyone express support for Trump because he Upholds Glorious Republican Principles or because he's a nice guy who has spent his life doing everything right.

I think he has done the wrong thing too often, but happens to saying what needs to be said. Because he's the only one doing so, he's got my support.

It's like having one car enter the Indianapolis 500. Unless someone else decides to come in, that car wins.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 10:06 AM (0atQl)

229 The dead cat reference confuses me

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 10:06 AM (zOTsN)

230 Trump could be our new Breibart. He is u afraid to say what needs to be said.

Also, to those who say that if he could not hold his own against Fox when he will get far harsher questions from CNN, I say that with CNN he will expect it. What Fox did was a sucker punch. Similar to the Houdini sucker punch.

And he highlighted the fact that not only are politicians able to be bought, they expect it. Not good form to pull back the curtain.

Posted by: Chilling the most at August 08, 2015 10:06 AM (zW5rQ)

231 A commenter, I forget who, put it best the other day.

Trump is SMOD in human form.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 09:56 AM (sAXJ5)


I think he's actually worse than SMOD.

He's a walking, talking middle finger raised to the media and "the powerful."

He's a totem for a lot of people who feel, quite rightly, that they are a) totally powerless and b) totally pissed off about how things are going in this country.

We may just wind up being lucky he didn't spend a few years in a jail cell writing a book about how to take over the world and kill Jews.

Posted by: filbert at August 08, 2015 10:07 AM (JvPqF)

232 Frankly a lot of us a Team Not Jeb

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 10:08 AM (zOTsN)

233 When Rump Rash winds up crashing and getting some major road rash, can I have his hash?

7u7u7

That's gotta be magic.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 08, 2015 10:08 AM (x3GpS)

234 I'd like to play golf with Trump and down some beers.

Something tells me he is one of those classic east coast Type A "business is business, personal is personal" financially successful types.

Difficult to work with and for at times, but typically incredible, kind and loyal friends. In my experience.

I like that is isn't polished and robotic, but, man. He sure is a pompous dick sometimes.

Thus the desire to simply see more of his human side. His R&R personality.

It might be a guy most of us like and like a lot. Especially if we are in on the jokes, so to speak. Potential to unify right there. If just maybe a little, that is something. Humor is a unifyer. When was the last time we had a funny President?

Who wants James Lipton 24/7 anyway? Cultured and cussless is boring. And suspicious. I mean, what could people be hiding when they are so reserved?

More Flair!

Posted by: i like anchors with his abacus at August 08, 2015 10:10 AM (6E2VN)

235 3,000 words??? Shit. I thought it was 3,000 pages. Crap. I wonder if I can get my money back from KwikKopy?

Posted by: andycanuck at August 08, 2015 10:10 AM (gTlHG)

236 Y-not, to avoid further confusion, you may want to add in the main post that you may or may not have thrown in a few words yourself (with different font, nonetheless, and blocking some explanatory text, LOL).

And I agree with you about Jindal. I really like him, and he hasn't been scared to stand up to Obama. He's a fearless one, I think.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 10:10 AM (sAXJ5)

237 The Iran deal keeps getting better.Guided tours of nuclear power plants and their security measures..


http://tinyurl.com/pfto4xg

Posted by: steevy at August 08, 2015 10:10 AM (sPO3u)

238
Republicans want Trump silenced because he's taken them out of their Comfort Zone.

The Left wants Trump silenced because he's waking people up and emboldening The People to speak up -- cannot have that.

Trump, right now, is the Shot-In-The-Arm this country needs.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 10:11 AM (sKfaR)

239 A YUGE RUG on his head, looks like a DEAD CAT.

Face it, they love the hair.

I'm telling ya, Perry v Trump in a hair-off. that's what we need.



Posted by: Donald Trumps Hair at August 08, 2015 10:11 AM (yTnTP)

240 Morning morons

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 08, 2015 10:11 AM (0FSuD)

241 I just don't get why Trump is being held to a lower standard than the others.
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He's not. No one forced the others to go all pro-illegal and the few who haven't have decided that raising the legal immigration rates to the roof is the answer.

---

You don't think that DT has gotten a pass for his business failures while Fiorina has gotten smacked for her?

You don't think that other candidates who supported not just abortion, but late-term partial birth abortion well into their adult-hood (i.e.: past the age of 50), would be DQ'd for that?

How about his serial adultery?

How about the half a million he gave to Democrats?

How about registering as a Democrat from 2001-9?

How about criticizing the Koch Brothers for giving to Republicans?

I've heard criticisms of all of the others for their past apostasies on these types of issues, but not Trump (from his supporters).

And, most importantly, there is no evidence that Trump means what he says about border security. He has never proposed a workable solution, has never been out there campaigning/supporting someone who IS tough on border issues (did he campaign for Sessions and I missed it?), has never personally implemented some sort of hiring policy that would knock out all the illegals working for him. Nothing.

Others are expected to somehow fix the Federal government's open borders policies, but not Trump, who has more access and power to the Democrats than anyone else running.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 10:11 AM (RWGcK)

242 5 It's true. Trump has the dead cat demographic sewn up.
Posted by: Pixy and the Hamsters at August 08, 2015 08:24 AM (2yngH)
----
Not to mention Bill the Cat. And why not? They both live large and like the saucy dames (Barbara Bush, Jean Kirkpatrick).

Thanks for the Trump LOL, Y-Not!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 08, 2015 10:11 AM (jR7Wy)

243
I think you're right --it's packsoldier.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 10:12 AM (sKfaR)

244
The rest seem to just be enjoying the carnage.


This is what a lot of people, like Diaper Rash, can't or won't understand.

Any chaos thrown into the smooth campaign of the GOP elites is good.

Any place we can park our votes for the time being where they will be denied to the Party is a good thing. If that's Trump, fine. The Party and other candidates can now get their shit together or lose them entirely.

But their strategy seems to be to take away that parking space and under no circumstances take any responsibility for their own actions or past policies.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 10:12 AM (oVJmc)

245 "has never personally implemented some sort of hiring policy that would knock out all the illegals working for him"

For example, Trump could institute a "Veterans first" hiring policy and that would nearly guarantee that his casinos/hotels/etc would be illegal alien free.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 10:13 AM (RWGcK)

246 7u7u7 ..... ?


Wasn't that the Boeing serial number from the missing Malaysian Airlines flight?

/consipiriacy



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 08, 2015 10:13 AM (McRlu)

247 The thing no one is acknowledging is that there are a hell of a lot of Democrats (or former Dems) that are pissed off at the way things are going, and Trump is attracting a lot of them as well.

Posted by: navybrat at August 08, 2015 10:14 AM (JgC5a)

248 ThePrimordialOrderedPair: She is "against citizenship" but for "legal status" ... I really can't stand these people who think they're fooling anyone with the "legal status isn't citizenship!!!" BS. It's intellectually offensive.

Yeah. Cowardly dodge. There will not be official second class citizens. Any legalization will morph into full citizenship either by legislation or courts. The drive will begin before even the ink dries on the "legal status" papers.

So nix Carly.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2015 10:03 AM (1CroS)


Well, "legal status" could mean a lot of things.

Including temporary worker cards to be renewed, let's say every 2 years.

Which I could be for if-

there were very strong laws including prison time and high fines for voting in American elections as an alien on a work visa,

prison time and high fines for employer and employee if caught working without a workers card or with an expired workers card

complete and utter inability to access any safety net programs for American citizens including Soc Sec, Medicaid/Medicare, etc.

No ability to bring Family members along with you as an alien worker

No born on American soil citizenship for offspring of aliens on worker cards.


Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2015 10:14 AM (KUa85)

249 I made a HUGE mistake of looking up the definition of ....clopping.

Just don't.

Posted by: mpfs, Questioning My Sanity at August 08, 2015 10:14 AM (QSSsx)

250 With Trump's money why didn't he go with the Joe Biden hairplugs?


One of my best friends did it. Takes some time, but it looks great.


I, thankfully, have more fcuking hair than I need.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 08, 2015 10:14 AM (0FSuD)

251 I was just wondering, does anyone know a single person in meatspace who honestly and adamantly supports Trump? Despite his yuge poll numbers, the best I can find are people who like that he's a fighter, but I'm yet to find anyone who even considers him a serious candidate.

Posted by: mugiwara at August 08, 2015 10:15 AM (Iuo7N)

252 @ 244 - "Any chaos thrown into the smooth campaign of the GOP elites is good."

It's funny you mention that. I've had an idea, built around an honest-to-goodness attempt to apply "chaos theory" (i.e. non-linear dynamics) to the history of the American political system, that observes a past 1:3:5:7:9 pattern in major bifurcations in our system. I've graphed it out, and with a high R^2, it predicts that we're in for another major dislocation in...2016.

We're talking something like the destruction of a major political party (low end damage) to another civil war (high end damage).

I strongly suspect that with the energy that is building, we're going to see the GOP disappear off the map next year, to be replaced by something else.

Hope it's that, and not the civil war.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at August 08, 2015 10:17 AM (TRDE0)

253 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 08, 2015 09:56 AM (x3GpS)

Heh. Yeah, Bill S. banned a couple of people on the " Have Disinvited Donald Trump to the ResState Gathering" post. The discussion was on immigration and the BIG SIN was to use the phrase ...

"Moratorium on the 3rd world" gets you an "I hate Mexicans" ban. Not surprised, since this is the kind of nutbaggery that Sideshow Don has generated."

Posted by: Joanne at August 08, 2015 10:17 AM (indTK)

254 Y Not you are right about all those things

But I was powerfully persuaded by a post in Legal Insurrection that advocated a Trump win in a primary or two would derail Jeb and permit another more conservative candidate to ultimately prevail.


That's what motivated me. I know that is not true of the vast majority of Trump supporters

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 10:17 AM (zOTsN)

255
That's right. Some people, even regulars on a political blog, don't get politics.

They're the same dim bulbs who hate Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or whoever because they don't wear the right laundry. So it's okay if Tom Brady is getting screwed they hate Tom Brady, for instance.

If you're a conservative and a fed up American, then Trump has value. Trump is providing a service to you...for free. Enjoy it.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 10:17 AM (sKfaR)

256 @248
I agree and no citizenship for any children born while you only have legal status. Germany does this with the Turks.


Getting a hold of the problem will make it much better.



Posted by: Nip Sip at August 08, 2015 10:17 AM (0FSuD)

257 My goal in supporting Trump is

1) unknown depths of amusement at all the splodey heads.
2) by the time Trump is done most of the GOPe will either have aneurisms or be in the cuckoo factory.
3) the real traitors will be revealed. (and they have)
4) see 1.
5) Sometimes you just have to flip the bird to the assholes that have been shafting you for years but you haven't been able to do anything about them. Until now.
6) Obama will be afraid to say anything because he knows Trump will hand him his ass.
7) see 1.

Now if this circus continues till the primary, we'll have to get serious. *tee hee*

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 08, 2015 10:17 AM (x3GpS)

258 I was just wondering, does anyone know a single person in meatspace who honestly and adamantly supports Trump?

Yes; the woman who runs my kids' daycare. She doesn't trust either party and thinks he's right about criminals and immigration.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 10:17 AM (ztBTr)

259 "A Michigan Republican lawmaker has an email sent to his own supporters
falsely claiming he had been caught having sex with a male prostitute,
apparently believing such a smear campaign would help distract attention
from an alleged extramarital affair between him and another lawmaker."

These days, it's easy to get Gawker on it.

But I think if you want to distract from having a male prostitute problem, you can call some woman a fat pig.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at August 08, 2015 10:18 AM (yTnTP)

260 @Y-not

Oh ok.

You got me!


Nice job on the post. Impressive getting 250 comments on a Saturday morning before 10:15 and NOT disappearing in to the Twilight Zone like weirddave.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:18 AM (Yrjee)

261 Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 10:11 AM (RWGcK)

I don't disagree with a single thing you've said about Trump (you've laid out facts indeed of insults), but the fact remains that the GOPe created the Trump phenomenon. It's like people are in an angry destructive rage directed against the GOPe.

It's a great pity it's negatively affecting good candidates, but the primary blame goes to the feckless and craven GOPe. This is what happens when you constantly spit in the face of your base.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 10:18 AM (sAXJ5)

262
"Moratorium on the 3rd world" gets you an "I hate Mexicans" ban. Not surprised, since this is the kind of nutbaggery that Sideshow Don has generated."

Who said/wrote this, Joanne?

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 10:18 AM (sKfaR)

263
I'm not looking for President Nice Guy. If I were, it'd probably be
some damn doofus like Jeb! or Cruz or Shuckabee. I want President
Hardass, who will stand up for both himself and his country.



Mr. Scribbler we are of like mind, sir.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:20 AM (Yrjee)

264 We may just wind up being lucky he didn't spend a few years in a jail cell writing a book about how to take over the world and kill Jews.
Posted by: filbert at August 08, 2015 10:07 AM (JvPqF)
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Hard to get worked up over the possibility of our side electing a dictator through mob mentality.

Isn't that what the left has done with Obummer? Our turn now.

Posted by: smurf breath at August 08, 2015 10:20 AM (ktNqo)

265 @ 248 - "Which I could be for if-"

Yes, these "could" be what we could get wrt II...but let's face it - we all know that it *won't* be what we get.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at August 08, 2015 10:20 AM (TRDE0)

266 How do the bronies get the splunge stains out of the plush?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 08, 2015 10:20 AM (x3GpS)

267 Well, I don't watch Fox and certainly missed the debates, but I'm getting the impression that Megyn Kelly's "performance" at the debate has basically been a culmination of an extended shitting of the bed.


Do I have that right?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 08, 2015 10:20 AM (nEQwk)

268 Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 10:11 AM (sKfaR)

Well said.

Posted by: i like anchors at August 08, 2015 10:20 AM (6E2VN)

269 Also:

You know who conservatives hate almost as bad as the GOPe?

Lawyers.


Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:21 AM (Yrjee)

270 And for the record, if my citizenship comes through before the primary, I won't support Trump. Heck, I'm not sure if I'll even register as a Republican, I'm so put off by the party.

But I will crawl through broken glass to vote against that vile hag Hillary. (Except if it's the Jebmeister. Not sure what I'll do in that case.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 10:21 AM (sAXJ5)

271 251 I was just wondering, does anyone know a single person in meatspace who honestly and adamantly supports Trump? Despite his yuge poll numbers, the best I can find are people who like that he's a fighter, but I'm yet to find anyone who even considers him a serious candidate.
---

My dad, prior to the debate, expressed interest in him.

I told him I would put him in a home if he kept up that crazy talk. ;-)

I am curious to hear what my Dad thought of the debate. He's an interesting guy. Former Kennedy Democrat who switched when McGovern ran. Korean War Veteran. Very conservative, but worked as a social worker (probation officer) all of his life. Has always been active in politics. Watches a lot of Fox News (sadly). Lives in MD.

He predicted Governor Hogan's win, btw.

I think that as he's gotten older he is much more vulnerable to campaigns that offer security, especially financial, because he's on a tight budget and the Obamacare thing has really messed up his healthcare.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 10:22 AM (RWGcK)

272 Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 10:11 AM (RWGcK)

Meh. Varly has very much gotten a pass for her failures at HP. She was going to get a big boost of the kiddie debate until she stupidly jumped on the "bash Trump for what he didn't say" bandwagon and got all hysterical.

As to the rest of your list I just don't see it. Trump's "business failures" were failures by the banks, not Trump. They were the idiots who lent him money on his signature and then couldn't turn around and foreclose on anything without killing themselves. And his dem past ... city politics is democratic. You have to play their game to do business there. Frankly, I don't think Trump gave a shit about larger political questions for most of his life.

But the point now is illegals and the rest of the Vichy GOP's replay of 2006-2007 coming out for giving aid and comfort to invading illegals. That is a total deal-breaker (as it was before and nearly killed the GOP the first time). Allowing the flood of illegals (and raising legal immigration rates to the heavens, also) is a destruction not of the country (which has already been killed) but of our society. That is the single biggest issue for many - certainly for me - and it should be.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 08, 2015 10:22 AM (MYSVz)

273 You know who conservatives hate almost as bad as the GOPe?

Lawyers.


Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:21 AM (Yrjee)


Large degree of overlap in these two groups.

Posted by: filbert at August 08, 2015 10:22 AM (JvPqF)

274 " Trump CONSTANTLY lies, yet his supporters claim he is a "truth teller." God help us."





"What does he lie about?"

He said he gave money to most of the politicians on the stage Thurs night, which is a surprise to practically all the politicians on the stage.
Lots more self-aggrandizement like that which misses the truth quotient. he's worth $10 billion if you count his 'brand' at $6 billion or so, etc.
The guy brags a lot, but much of it is 'all hat, no cattle' stuff. It's what you do in his business to get ahead, but we need REAL honesty like what you get from Cruz or Carson, not bragging 'straight talk' that's reall just blunt BS.


Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at August 08, 2015 10:22 AM (yTnTP)

275 "Trump is potentially creating a third party to lead within the "GOP" (whatever the hell we are these days)."

Will the third-party believe taht single payer works great in Canada and Scotland.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at August 08, 2015 10:23 AM (yTnTP)

276 Release The Blago.

Only The Blago has the Hair Fu to beat Trump.

Follicle cage match.

Two do's enter. One do leaves.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 08, 2015 10:23 AM (x3GpS)

277 YOU DUMMIES ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR TRUMP AND HE WILL WIN , YOU DUMMIES, AND THEN WHERE WILL YOU DUMMIES BE?

Posted by: RUMP RANGER at August 08, 2015 10:24 AM (Yrjee)

278 Pixy won't let me post something I copied from
breibart. Check out what Carly said in June on Morning Joe. She is
"against citizenship" but for "legal status" ... I really can't stand
these people who think they're fooling anyone with the "legal status
isn't citizenship!!!" BS. It's intellectually offensive.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 08, 2015 09:53 AM (MYSVz)


OK, one of the base principals for getting compliance on laws is to have a way for people to buy into it.

If you just toss everyone out and put up signs that philosophically say "no dogs or Mexicans allowed" you will wind up with a major industry smuggling people in to work illegally. Like we have NOW.

Doing that will make no change to the status quo, and may actually solidify the position of the coyotes.

If you have a way to reach legal status, (and that could be from issuing green cards to setting up a year temp worker program that requires leaving the US for a week each year to renew that will be taken away for any conviction or violation) then there is a reason for people who want to come to the US only to work to comply.

I will repeat: if you make it a total ban, it will be evaded because there is no reason to comply. If you make compliance a precondition to participate there will be a reason to comply.

(I am tired of doing doctrinaire things that don't work because the theory is sound. we get enough of that from the Socialists among us)

Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2015 10:24 AM (3pRHP)

279 Ben Carson is the smartest of the bunch but he needs to work on his "cool" factor.

Maybe bust a fro and wear lots of gold and get a grilla to let the LIV's know he is "keeping it real".

And then pull up to the debates in a 1980 Chevy Impala with 40 inch rims with Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambatta blasting over the trunk speakers.

He should also use phrases like "like" and "you know what I'm saying" more to appeal to the majority of illiterate voters out there in TV land.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 08, 2015 10:24 AM (JG47A)

280 257
My goal in supporting Trump is

1) unknown depths of amusement at all the splodey heads.
2) by the time Trump is done most of the GOPe will either have aneurisms or be in the cuckoo factory.
3) the real traitors will be revealed. (and they have)
4) see 1.
5)
Sometimes you just have to flip the bird to the assholes that have been
shafting you for years but you haven't been able to do anything about
them. Until now.
6) Obama will be afraid to say anything because he knows Trump will hand him his ass.
7) see 1.

Now if this circus continues till the primary, we'll have to get serious. *tee hee*


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 08, 2015 10:17 AM (x3GpS)

Your Goal equals another democrat president.
The stupid is STRONG.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 08, 2015 10:24 AM (0FSuD)

281 , there isn't enough content here to hold you to a specific topic!

Content, pfftt - There isn't enough gravity at a black hole to hold us to a specific topic.

Posted by: DaveA at August 08, 2015 10:26 AM (DL2i+)

282 I often thank God for smart people.

It's been real, y'll. Thanks for your opinions and thank you ace and y-not for another great thread and discussion!

See ya.

Oh, and hey rump? GFY!

Posted by: i like anchors at August 08, 2015 10:26 AM (6E2VN)

283 The FOX ambush actually pushed me more to Trump.

The first session had the moderators asking other candidates about Trump and Trump alone. Trump wasn't there to defend anything that could have been said and FOX wanted a soundbite. Complete chickensh*t tactics. It wasn't fair to the first group of candidates. It wasn't fair to Trump.

Then we had Baier, on the first question, asking Trump to commit to the GOP in order to force him into a corner. Trump, having repeated what he had been saying for some time now about keeping his leverage because the GOP was designing ways to punish him specifically, was then asked again by Baier in slow, exacting wording, if he was really serious. And then we got the accusatory ambush questions the rest of the night.

And that's why I say Trump was being pushed into a corner. It seemed like FOX was trying to get Trump to commit to the GOP and swear not to go rogue. That was the commitment they seemed to be forcing on the very first question. Then, when the FOX mods/producers savage him to take him out, they have his "promise" to hang over his head so that he has no other recourse outside the GOP. If he tries to go third party then, FOX et al. can accuse Trump of being a liar. Trump, by holding his original ground, forced Baier to repeat the question because he thought Trump would pander when asked the first time. Trump didn't. That was fortunate and wise.

That's not my only beef with FOX. I though they did a poor job in many places against other candidates. But, as has been said, MFM delenda est.

Just put that on the list of motivations for me to keep with Trump.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2015 10:27 AM (1CroS)

284 If you still believe in the GOP representing you then Trump is a TERRIBLE candidate.

If you think the GOP has consistently betrayed and abused you then you understand the Trump appeal.

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 10:28 AM (cbfNE)

285 Large degree of overlap in these two groups.

Hence the popularity of a non-lawyer, non-politician business guy.

At least I believe so.

You watch a lawyer cut enough deals and even though he shouts conservatisms and his real name is Kal-EL from Krypton...

You. just. can't trust.him.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:28 AM (Yrjee)

286 I liked the idea of Trump sticking it to the man in the primaries, but now I'm worried he may go all the way.

Based on his constant weirdness, I'm worried what he might do in the Whitehouse. He's eccentric, at best. If things don't work out, he'll be tied like a rock around conservatism while our ideas get thrown in the well for the next 20 years. Is Trump really a good idea?

Posted by: Old Hob at August 08, 2015 10:28 AM (ZufZo)

287 I'll put my interpretation of Trump another, shorter way:

Trump is not just "Let It Burn" in human form, he's "Let's Burn This MF Down".

Posted by: filbert at August 08, 2015 10:29 AM (JvPqF)

288 Did you notice that I became a mouthpiece for Obama? Yeah, I'm a hypocrite.

Posted by: Jon Stewart at August 08, 2015 10:29 AM (gwG9s)

289 Ben Carson is the smartest of the bunch but he needs to work on his "cool" factor.

Maybe bust a fro and wear lots of gold and get a grilla to let the LIV's know he is "keeping it real".

And then pull up to the debates in a 1980 Chevy Impala with 40 inch rims with Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambatta blasting over the trunk speakers.

He should also use phrases like "like" and "you know what I'm saying" more to appeal to the majority of illiterate voters out there in TV land.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 08, 2015 10:24 AM (JG47A)

What decade are you living in?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 10:29 AM (sAXJ5)

290 Your Goal equals another democrat president.
The stupid is STRONG.



The Stockholm Syndrome is strong in this one.

"Thank you sir , may I have another?"

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:29 AM (Yrjee)

291 I wasn't referring to Megyn's mensies but this Erickson loser needs a tampon for his man gash.
Teh Donald

Posted by: steevy at August 08, 2015 10:02 AM (sPO3u)


Megyn mensies! Can't stop lauging ... thanks, steevy.

Posted by: Joanne at August 08, 2015 10:29 AM (indTK)

292 271
251 I was just wondering, does anyone know a single person in meatspace
who honestly and adamantly supports Trump? Despite his yuge poll
numbers, the best I can find are people who like that he's a fighter,
but I'm yet to find anyone who even considers him a serious candidate.




I am in a lunch club with a lot of old farts, many of them VERY rich. Trump's support from some of them, especially the Jewish members, amazes me.



I don't know what to say to a 70 year old guy worth $50 mill when he tells me he is going to support Trump.




Get back on your meds?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 08, 2015 10:29 AM (0FSuD)

293 "Out, out, brief candle! I am but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more; it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." Donald MacTrump Act V Scene V

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at August 08, 2015 10:30 AM (NeFrd)

294 >>I don't disagree with a single thing you've said about Trump (you've laid out facts indeed of insults), but the fact remains that the GOPe created the Trump phenomenon. It's like people are in an angry destructive rage directed against the GOPe.

What's odd about this is the exact same thing is happening on the left and it gets little play on this side of the aisle. Bernie Sanders isn't even a Democrat, he's a proud socialist, and he is becoming a very real threat to the woman who has been the designated Democrat candidate in waiting for years because the party isn't far left enough for a huge portion of the Democrat base.

Trump has been useful to a point but his usefulness is probably coming to an end. He has pushed the envelope on a number of topics, most recently the politically correct bullshit that has made a number of topics almost of limits and given others space to speak about them in a more thoughtful way.

Pretty soon the bombast will start to become counterproductive to him personally and he will go away but he definitely shook things up. I'm interested to see who fills the void. Seems like Cruz is angling for it but we shall see.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2015 10:30 AM (OGm46)

295 289
Ben Carson is the smartest of the bunch but he needs to work on his "cool" factor.


Another outstanding non-lawyer, non-politician. Loved all of his responses.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:30 AM (Yrjee)

296 One thing the Trump candidacy has done is make Ben Carson seem reasonable, at least among the outsiders group.

Posted by: Paul at August 08, 2015 10:30 AM (MO6az)

297
What does it say about the Republican party that a 9x billionaire like Donald Trump is the one People can relate to the most?

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 10:31 AM (sKfaR)

298 ***"(I am tired of doing doctrinaire things that don't work because the theory is sound. we get enough of that from the Socialists among us)"***


Everything that you just listed was and is doctrinaire. And it's only succeeded in strengthening the Donks and shitting on the economy and legal immigrants.

There have been MANY non-doctrinaire alternatives floated in posts and the comments section on an hourly basis. You're just choosing to ignore them.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 08, 2015 10:31 AM (nEQwk)

299 So far, the Trump opinions I've heard, at least from Republican leaning voters, ranges from "Quelle horreur" to "he's a clown, but at least he's attacking the GOPe clowns", so I just don't see any of this real support. But it may be because I live in the NYC burbs, where 'Republicans' are basically moderate Dems... and half the highrises and state parks are named after Trump.

Posted by: mugiwara at August 08, 2015 10:31 AM (Iuo7N)

300 I liked the idea of Trump sticking it to the man in the primaries, but now I'm worried he may go all the way.

Based on his constant weirdness, I'm worried what he might do in the Whitehouse. He's eccentric, at best. If things don't work out, he'll be tied like a rock around conservatism while our ideas get thrown in the well for the next 20 years. Is Trump really a good idea?
Posted by: Old Hob at August 08, 2015 10:28 AM (ZufZo)


"This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we will be lucky to live through it."

Posted by: filbert at August 08, 2015 10:31 AM (JvPqF)

301
101
Look at how the Republicans are trying to caste out Trump
At first i thought it was a typo...

Posted by: MAx at August 08, 2015 10:32 AM (LAliD)

302 (Except if it's the Jebmeister. Not sure what I'll do in that case.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 10:21 AM


You might consider throwing your support to Vermin Supreme.

If you find his campaign platform from '12 -- a solid boost for dental hygiene, transplants (he gave his Mom a kidney, IIRC) and Free Ponies For All -- off-putting, just looking at his attire should convince you.

It's not just that he's an almost-neighbor. He's, well, Vermin Supreme, and is so listed in the Town Directory.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 10:32 AM (0atQl)

303 And speaking of old topics here's a favorite for psychoes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOoBYwVud0U

Posted by: DaveA at August 08, 2015 10:33 AM (DL2i+)

304 Posted by: Nip Sip at August 08, 2015 10:24 AM (0FSuD)

Ninja, please.

Don't be so super serial.

Good God are you that dense?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 08, 2015 10:33 AM (x3GpS)

305 I don't know what to say to a 70 year old guy worth $50 mill when he tells me he is going to support Trump.

Get back on your meds?
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 08, 2015 10:29 AM (0FSuD)


People don't understand, because they're not really listening.


Here, lemme translate for those of you who only speak Gope. This is the literal English translation:


When someone is asked "who do you support for President in the Republican Party," and the answer you hear is "Donald Trump," what they are really saying, in plain English, is "f*ck you."


It's really that simple.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 10:34 AM (Dj0WE)

306 I think the poll is totally wrong.
About Walker: I came out of there thinking he could be a plausible nominee.

Same with Kasich of course, but it was a "yeah, he could be a plausible
GOP-e nominee who is annoyingly moderate and down for the reach-around bipartisan cr*p I hate. But he'd beat hillary so the GOP-e will ram him down our throats and it would be lesser of two weevils that I could reluctantly support."

Whereas with Walker it was more like:
"hey, calm down-scale midwestern demeanor and more articulate than the whole Bush clan put together. And yeah he did actually stare down the labor unions with his death-ray vision, that was cool. Yeah, he could be the Jeb-slayer we need if Cruz doesnt get enough mojo."


Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at August 08, 2015 10:34 AM (yTnTP)

307 So...I didn't watch the debate....couldn't care less at this point, to be perfectly honest (IMO the damage has been done and it's irreversible, regardless of who takes the reins in '16), but now I wish I had. The Donald vs Kelly? Awesome.

BTW, a friend sent me a link to Megyn Kelly's facebook page last night....over 11,000 comments on her debate performance, and I was unable to find a single one in her favor. I've been onto her particular brand of BS since she first came to prominence and am glad she's finally getting called out in large numbers.

As for Trump....if we're going down anyway, I can't think of a better man to be at the helm. If nothing else, we'll be entertained.

Posted by: Cnation at August 08, 2015 10:34 AM (MsIBX)

308 Ben Carson is the smartest of the bunch but he needs to work on his "cool" factor.

Maybe bust a fro and wear lots of gold and get a grilla to let the LIV's know he is "keeping it real".

And then pull up to the debates in a 1980 Chevy Impala with 40 inch rims with Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambatta blasting over the trunk speakers.

He should also use phrases like "like" and "you know what I'm saying" more to appeal to the majority of illiterate voters out there in TV land.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 08, 2015 10:24 AM (JG47A)

What decade are you living in?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 10:29 AM (sAXJ5)

You mean it's not 1978?......all right then how about Public Enemy and Run-D.M.C?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 08, 2015 10:35 AM (JG47A)

309 Based on his constant weirdness, I'm worried what he might do in the Whitehouse.
---

In all seriousness, the reason I would not vote for Trump, even in the general, is because I could not accept him as Commander-in-Chief. The things he said about POWs and wounded warriors, coupled with his temperament issues, would make him a very scary CiC.

If it came down to Trump and Hillary, I guess I'd vote third party.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 10:35 AM (RWGcK)

310 "You know who conservatives hate almost as bad as the GOPe?

Lawyers."

I'm sure Gabe would take exception to that, if he were here...

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at August 08, 2015 10:35 AM (TRDE0)

311 I think (hope) once the Trump boomlet dies off, Cruz is the beneficiary. He wasn't necessarily my first choice mainly because he is only a first term senator, but with Perry and Jindal fading and walker sort of stagnant, he is looking more and more like the best choice.

Posted by: Paul at August 08, 2015 10:36 AM (MO6az)

312 Who is vermin supreme? Walker?

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 10:36 AM (zOTsN)

313 ***"Bernie Sanders isn't even a Democrat, he's a proud socialist..."***


Those aren't mutually exclusive.


In fact, I'd say it just makes Bernie an *honest* Democrat.


I'd never vote for the guy and I think he's an idiot, but I at least respect his honesty.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 08, 2015 10:36 AM (nEQwk)

314 You know, if

the GOPe reeeeeaaaallllllyyy wanted to get rid of Trump

there is a very easy way.

Since they're obviously already coordinating with the "debate" moderators at FOX-

have a debate strictly about border security and illegal aliens-

and bore into the details of each candidates plan hard.

Unless Trump decides to get serious and actually start formulating policy, instead of winging it-

he won't stand up against the others very well.

Now, that would knock Jeb! out of the running too.

And anybody else who's for amnesty and weak border security.


And no GOPe, saying that illegals will "pay a fine" is a dodge and everyone knows it-

even if the fine were substantial and somehow repaid all of the cost of gov't services they looted while here-

we know, you'd just have the gov't pay for or reduce the fines for "those in need".


So, put up or shut-up.

Grab the bull by the horns and let's see what all the candidates are made of.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2015 10:36 AM (KUa85)

315 Cruz - Supreme Court Justice - yes!
Cruz - Attorney General - cool
Cruz - VP - eh, possibly

Cruz - President? - NOPE


Why?

Lawyer.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:36 AM (Yrjee)

316 >>I don't know what to say to a 70 year old guy worth $50 mill when he tells me he is going to support Trump.

Maybe he's just so damn sick of being demonized by the Left for being rich, a 1%, etc. and he knows that he won't get any of that crap from Trump. Could be a gut reaction to all the demonization of wealth and success - picking the guy that is a "celebrity" based on his wealth and success (yeah, he's lost a lot, too, but still).

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 10:36 AM (NOIQH)

317 So if Trump drops out and supports Cruz, will the Cruz supporters here demand the Trumpies get bent?

Posted by: andycanuck at August 08, 2015 10:37 AM (gTlHG)

318 I actually think Trump would make a disastrous president. His need to answer every little criticism with an insult suggests to me he may let his emotions get in the way of clear thinking.

Or maybe not. He seems to have done somewhat ok business-wise, bankruptcies notwithstanding. I dunno.

He is also not a principled conservative, so his policies would be a hodgepodge of good and bad ideas.

However, he actually likes America and will be a heck of a lot better than America-hating Obama or Hillary "I'll sell out the country to the highest bidder" Clinton.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 10:37 AM (sAXJ5)

319 So...I didn't watch the debate....couldn't care less at this point, to be perfectly honest (IMO the damage has been done and it's irreversible, regardless of who takes the reins in '16), but now I wish I had. The Donald vs Kelly? Awesome.

BTW, a friend sent me a link to Megyn Kelly's facebook page last night....over 11,000 comments on her debate performance, and I was unable to find a single one in her favor. I've been onto her particular brand of BS since she first came to prominence and am glad she's finally getting called out in large numbers.

As for Trump....if we're going down anyway, I can't think of a better man to be at the helm. If nothing else, we'll be entertained.
Posted by: Cnation at August 08, 2015 10:34 AM (MsIBX)


The performance of the FNC "moderators," especially Kelly and Wallace, was particularly contemptible, this is also true.

Lots of examples of the "When did you stop beating your wife" school of "debate" questions.

Posted by: filbert at August 08, 2015 10:37 AM (JvPqF)

320 My dealings with The Donald, indirectly.

Thirty years ago, I was working for a window manufacturer, and a big piece of our biz was doing furnish-and-install replacement windows in hotels and co-ops in Manhattan.

One of the jobs was on the corner of Central Park South and Avenue of the Americas. Trump had bought a building that had been all apartments, and was remodeling it into condos. New name, "Trump Park."

We shipped a lot of truckloads of windows to the job, and I represented our company in the regular onsite meetings to discuss schedules and issues.

Trump's project manager was an attractive 40-ish woman, extremely well dressed always, and always with her boy toy assistant at her side.

She was the most foul-mouthed construction exec I had ever experienced in all my time in the field of industrial and commercial construction, and that was saying something. Man or woman, she emitted more f*ucks, more a**holes, more sh*t per sentence than anybody I had heard before.

This was Donald Trump's world then, and it has been his world from whenever he first got into it.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at August 08, 2015 10:37 AM (U6f54)

321

I'm sure Gabe would take exception to that, if he were here...

I was thinking specifically of him when I wrote it.


Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:38 AM (Yrjee)

322 Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 10:34 AM (Dj0WE)


I'd really like to see this one get the Thread Winnah! award.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 08, 2015 10:39 AM (nEQwk)

323 I think (hope) once the Trump boomlet dies off, Cruz is the beneficiary. He wasn't necessarily my first choice mainly because he is only a first term senator, but with Perry and Jindal fading and walker sort of stagnant, he is looking more and more like the best choice.
Posted by: Paul at August 08, 2015 10:36 AM (MO6az)


It seems pretty obvious to me, what some people have been saying about Cruz for a few years now. There's something missing. It's not the brains, it's not the principles, it's obviously not even the drive.


He comes off as a weak man. Sorry, he just does. There is no way he's going to gain traction. None.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 10:39 AM (Dj0WE)

324 You mean it's not 1978?......all right then how about Public Enemy and Run-D.M.C?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 08, 2015 10:35 AM


I was sorta hearing the theme music from I'm Gonna Git You Sucka playing when the camera panned over to him.

Yeah, I'm desperate for laffs from this pathetic campaign season.

I miss Alan Keyes. He was a dead ringer for George Kirby, who used to do gigs on the Ed Sullivan Show. Always wondered if Keyes could do imitations of Richard Nixon and Ella Fitzgerald as well as ol' George....

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 10:39 AM (0atQl)

325 "If it came down to Trump and Hillary, I guess I'd vote third party."

If it came down to those two I'd probably be done with politics forever.

Posted by: Paul at August 08, 2015 10:39 AM (MO6az)

326 "Having not met either, I can't say. For all I know, teh Donald could be
the nicest guy around when you know him, and Megyn could be a screaming
shrew."

Yum, me like the screaming ones. Lots o' fun.

huh? ... WTF happened to my RG15 slot? what did I say? Did I say something wrong?

Posted by: Male Chauvanist Perfectionist at August 08, 2015 10:39 AM (yTnTP)

327 It's really that simple.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 10:34 AM (Dj0WE)

Thank you.

I couldn't have said it better. Well I DID but Nip Sip wasn't able to parse my phraseology.

Imagine Trump holding up his middle fingers on both hands. Directed at the GOPe and their camp folowers.

Now imagine me wishing I had the stuff to be in that position cause I would do that in a heart beat if anyone cared and would focus a mic and camera on me.

So I am vicariously living my dream through him. When he goes beyond that dream then I'll quit. And who knows he may grow into the position. There's a lot to be said for brash balls and bombast. It's worked for America before.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 08, 2015 10:40 AM (x3GpS)

328 Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 10:34 AM (Dj0WE)


I'd really like to see this one get the Thread Winnah! award.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 08, 2015 10:39 AM (nEQwk)


Personally, I think I win most of the threads on up in here. Sadly, my trophy case is empty.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 10:41 AM (Dj0WE)

329 "If it came down to Trump and Hillary, I guess I'd vote third party."

If it came down to those two I'd probably be done with politics forever.
Posted by: Paul at August 08, 2015 10:39 AM (MO6az)


Belize is nice, I hear. A trifle warm, though.

Posted by: filbert at August 08, 2015 10:41 AM (JvPqF)

330 Trumps best use is to sandbag Jeb in the primaries

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 10:41 AM (zOTsN)

331 "Trump has supported every Progressive idea that has come down the pike

So you're saying he's just like McConnell and Boehner?"

Pretty much, policy-wise the same thing. But more entertaining.
Trump is to McConnell as comedy central is to CSPAN.

More entertaining ... but not more conservative.

Posted by: Male Chauvanist Perfectionist at August 08, 2015 10:41 AM (yTnTP)

332 >>Those aren't mutually exclusive.

Exactly. And the head of the DNC, DWS, was asked twice what the difference is between today's Dem party and socialists and twice she had no answer at all.

It might be useful to start focusing on the weirdness of the Democrat party for a while instead of constantly fighting about Trump. I'd like to see some candidate say when asked about Trump "How come you aren't asking more Democrats why a proud socialist is close to being the leading candidate for President for the Democrats?".

But no, we just allow the msm to make us explain Trump. Stupid party.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2015 10:41 AM (OGm46)

333 Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 10:18 AM (sKfaR)

Had to go look. It was drohan00.

It looks like Bill S. is on a ban-a-palooza rampage.

Posted by: Joanne at August 08, 2015 10:42 AM (indTK)

334 Remember , honey.

The GOP only hits you because they love you. And this time?

They have CHANGED!

No, really!

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:42 AM (Yrjee)

335 Thanks for participating, folks. I gotta run and do some Life Things, so the Gardening Thread will probably be late today.

Pretty sure another thread is in the works... soon.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 10:42 AM (RWGcK)

336 There is one axiom that holds true no matter who is your candidate:

Never fall in love with a politician.

OK, read that last bit again.
Why?
Because they break your heart.
Every. Fucking. Time.

Posted by: navybrat at August 08, 2015 10:42 AM (JgC5a)

337 Who is vermin supreme? Walker?

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 10:36 AM


Not Walker. Google him.

I still have my "Vermin Supreme '12" t-shirts and am about to start wearing them again whenever I'm faced with political hacks of any kind. And they don't get any hackier than the MA variety.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 10:43 AM (0atQl)

338 Lots of examples of the "When did you stop beating your wife" school of "debate" questions.

Posted by: filbert at August 08, 2015 10:37 AM (JvPqF)


****

That's the sense I got from the portions I watched. The backhanded insult jab gotcha question.

"Some have said that you are (waging a war on women) (-or- too inexperienced to be President) (-or- not a serious candidate). How do you respond to that?" type questions.


I fully expected Megyn K. to be doing a lot of "preening". She did not disappoint in that regard.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at August 08, 2015 10:43 AM (NeFrd)

339 I don't see Cruz as weak

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 10:44 AM (zOTsN)

340 Listen we had George Bush for 8 disasterous years and a simultanious GOP congress for 6 years and all we have to show for it is a supreme court justice, that's it.

They expanded the size, scope and reach of leviathan, conducted useless pointless destructive wars and expanded the debt astronimically and are single handedly responsible for putting the SCOAMF in the White House.

They have abdicated their constitutional responsibilites and have ceased being an opposition party.

So I don't want to hear how awful and terrible it would be if Trump were somehow someway to win the White House.

Trump is actually doing something that the GOP never does and that's try to appeal to blacks, imagine that.

He will go through Hillary like Tecumseh going through Georgia.

We can not spare this man, he fights!

Posted by: Kreplach at August 08, 2015 10:45 AM (WVvzl)

341 The GOPe establishment had better have a plan for Trump going rogue and doing a third party run.

Because if he does it, we'll get the Haggard Queen for eight years, and things will become permanently progressive.

The supreme court will get packed, she will EO anything she wants, Texas may seceed, and some of us, maybe a lot of us, will be ground under the jackboots.

She might even go president-for-life by executive order.

If not, she will see to it that Chelsea follows her.

So if The Donald goes rogue, the GOPe should consider the unthinkable, and fold, run no one, and at least make it so that the only candidates the stupids see on every ballot everywhere, are The D and H the Horrible.

It will be a yuge election.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at August 08, 2015 10:45 AM (U6f54)

342 NOOD WEIRDDAVE YAY!!


Better hurry before it gets disappeared.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:46 AM (Yrjee)

343 Frankly I think a Bernie vs. Trump race is what the country deserves at this point.

Posted by: jus sayin at August 08, 2015 10:46 AM (oZYUd)

344 Contemplate this little nightmare scenario:

Republican nominee: Trump
Democrat nominee: Biden

Posted by: filbert at August 08, 2015 10:46 AM (JvPqF)

345 Now if this circus continues till the primary, we'll have to get serious. *tee hee*




Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 08, 2015 10:17 AM (x3GpS)

Your Goal equals another democrat president.
The stupid is STRONG.


Posted by: Nip Sip

But we have those strong conservatives in the senate and house to oppose any dem pres, so no worries there.

Posted by: traye at August 08, 2015 10:47 AM (U1lbW)

346 "It seems pretty obvious to me, what some people have been saying
about Cruz for a few years now. There's something missing. It's not
the brains, it's not the principles, it's obviously not even the drive.



He comes off as a weak man. Sorry, he just does. There is no way he's going to gain traction. None."

Hate to say this, but it's real simple. It's the looks.
Jindal looks like a kid who could get beaten up for his lunch money. Cruz has a smile like Mr Bean.
They are not bad-looking, but they also are not bad-ass looking. So when they talk tough on Iran, it sounds hypothetical.
If either man looked like Brad Pitt, they'd be further ahead.

Posted by: Male Chauvanist Perfectionist at August 08, 2015 10:47 AM (yTnTP)

347 Bernie Sanders isn't even a Democrat, he's a proud socialist.

What difference, at this point, does it make?

Posted by: Hillary! at August 08, 2015 10:47 AM (FcR7P)

348 I said she looked like a Dom without the leather and the whip. Was surprised at how hard she looked. Not very attractive at all.

So maybe she was prepping herself to bring it to Trump and that's what I saw.

What's a sad surprise is Fiorina leaping onto that cotton pony and riding along with her. She lost all she gained.

She could have expressed dismay or been dismissive but she decided to double down and promote Megyn instead of herself.

Guess she thinks the Conservative women voters out there identify with Megyn. Don't understand that reasoning.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 08, 2015 10:48 AM (x3GpS)

349 I don't see Cruz as weak
Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 10:44 AM (zOTsN)


Single most telling moment for him: some of the other clowns were arguing about something, and he asked the moderators if he could say something. They said "no, we're going to break."


And they went to break.


When they came back, they changed the subject to some other stupid thing they wanted to talk about.


Where was Cruz? Standing behind his podium like a good boy, waiting his turn. Which didn't come for something like another 20-30 minutes.


He got scolded by three media bimbos, and took it.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 10:48 AM (Dj0WE)

350 "I don't see Cruz as weak"

The Trump boys are just looking for excuses to rage and dismiss everybody except the actual RINO in the race.

Posted by: Paul at August 08, 2015 10:48 AM (MO6az)

351 BurtTC: When someone is asked "who do you support for President in the Republican Party," and the answer you hear is "Donald Trump," what they are really saying, in plain English, is "f*ck you."

You know, that's pretty spot on. I'm at the point of despair WRT our government and the ongoing Uniparty. I don't have Ckuf You money. Trump does. ONLY he does.

I find that priceless. He doesn't speak for me on everything. He doesn't have to. That he is able to speak for me on anything at all is that glimmer of hope.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2015 10:50 AM (1CroS)

352 The Trump boys are just looking for excuses to rage and dismiss everybody except the actual RINO in the race.

You know how you know that your bomber is over the target?

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:50 AM (Yrjee)

353 Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2015 10:41 AM (OGm46)


That's Trump's other useful purpose: smoking out the enemy within.


Every single one of the other candidates who dance to the tune of bashing Trump demonstrate that they're simply not ready for primetime.


They're showing exactly how they're tactically handicapped. They will accept flawed assumptions, they do not know how to redirect questions, and they tip their hand on what their real policy preferences are.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 08, 2015 10:50 AM (nEQwk)

354 "That is my biggest frustration with people who are supporting Trump's
run (or cheering him on while saying they probably won't vote for him).
They are painting every other GOP candidate with the Jeb Bush brush. All
it is accomplishing is hurting the non-Jebs, which will lead to us
having the choice of GOPe's first pick (Jeb) or their backup plan
(Rubio)."

Dunno.
24 million people watched 9 non-Jebs make their case.

I think it's absurd Trump is leading the polls. I don't know enough Republicans that are so stupid to think that supporter of single-payer would be a good candidate, but we need to lay off the idea that the Trump boomlet is killing us.

Jeb had a lousy debate and part of why is because Trump is eclipsing even HIM.

Posted by: Male Chauvanist Perfectionist at August 08, 2015 10:51 AM (yTnTP)

355 He comes off as a weak man.

'Smarmy' is my word cloud for him. I'll bet even his parents rolled their eyes when he insisted on going to school in a suit and tie and slicked hair in the second grade.

And I like the guy.

Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2015 10:52 AM (FcR7P)

356 Saw Erick Erickson on Morning Joe talking about the Redstate Gathering. He said they've asked candidates to pretend they're running for their 2nd term (2020) and what they would do.
Because....he didn't think having the candidates bashing Hillary and Obama would be helpful.
??????????????

McCain and Romney did that whole 'I'm above petty insults about my opponent' shtick while Obama went for the jugular - joking about McCain not texting (hello, POW injuries) and blaming Romney for killing his former employees wife, banning tampons, etc. I think this nancy-boy attitude has helped pave the way for the rude, crude Trump - a lot of people want a candidate that fights back.


Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 10:52 AM (NOIQH)

357 "All it is accomplishing is hurting the non-Jebs, which will lead to us having the choice of GOPe's first pick (Jeb) or their backup plan Rubio)."

Yeah, it's basically 2012 all over again, where we wind up nitpicking everyone to death and winding up with the one candidate we were looking to avoid. Frankly though, I wonder if Kasich might become the darling ahead of Bush.

Posted by: Paul at August 08, 2015 10:53 AM (MO6az)

358 Every single one of the other candidates who dance to the tune of bashing Trump demonstrate that they're simply not ready for primetime.


They're showing exactly how they're tactically handicapped. They will accept flawed assumptions, they do not know how to redirect questions, and they tip their hand on what their real policy preferences are.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 08, 2015 10:50 AM (nEQwk)


Exactly right.

The only effective way to attack Trump is to not attack Trump. To discuss him and his "ideas" as little as is humanly possible.

Posted by: filbert at August 08, 2015 10:53 AM (JvPqF)

359 Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 10:39 AM (Dj0WE)

Not sure where you're getting the weak man stuff from.

Cruz comes off pretty much like every CEO I've ever met-

very calm, very cool, very logical, very collected.

They don't emote heavily or falsely because they've already gamed the odds and know what they need to do.

And they are hardly weak men.


What Cruz does need to do - if the "moderators ever give him any time-

is to sound bigger in a Reaganesque way.

He needs to start weaving his conservative themes into a broader American canvas.

Carly is very good at this.(see her RS speech).


Just curious though, who's your candidate and your idea of a "Strong man" on that stage?

Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2015 10:54 AM (KUa85)

360 "The Trump boys are just looking for excuses to rage and dismiss everybody except the actual RINO in the race."

Could be. The fact that Cruz is civil and not a hot-head is a yuuge PLUS in my book. He defies the leftwing stereotype of the 'angry right-wing'.
Cruz, like Carson, is polite and logical, and in doing so, shows the reasonableness of the conservative position.

Civility does not make him a robot, and the idea that Cruz cannot channel emotion or energy has not heard him speak.

Posted by: Male Chauvanist Perfectionist at August 08, 2015 10:54 AM (yTnTP)

361 They're showing exactly how they're tactically handicapped. They will
accept flawed assumptions, they do not know how to redirect questions,
and they tip their hand on what their real policy preferences are.


Exactly. They are showing you what they would do in office.

Triangulators, finger-lickers, poll-testers.

*waaah Trump got more time than me*

What stopped Walker, Cruz or Carson from going full Trump?

That's the problem.


Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:55 AM (Yrjee)

362 Saw Erick Erickson on Morning Joe talking about the Redstate Gathering. He said they've asked candidates to pretend they're running for their 2nd term (2020) and what they would do.
Because....he didn't think having the candidates bashing Hillary and Obama would be helpful.
??????????????

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 10:52 AM (NOIQH)

Wow, brilliant. The dems are planning to run an unindicted criminal who has one new crime come to light it seems weekly, but no, let's keep above the fray and lay off her.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 10:56 AM (sAXJ5)

363 What stopped Walker, Cruz or Carson from going full Trump?

Lingering shreds of human decency.

Posted by: filbert at August 08, 2015 10:56 AM (JvPqF)

364 Damn! I had forgotten about George Kirby. The guy had talent. Thanks Scribbler. :

http://tinyurl.com/o6g7af3

Posted by: Mike Hammer, Hardliner at August 08, 2015 10:56 AM (9mTYi)

365 Because the media will do a bang up job exposing Hillary, right?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 10:56 AM (sAXJ5)

366 Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 10:18 AM (sKfaR)

Had to go look. It was drohan00.

It looks like Bill S. is on a ban-a-palooza rampage.

To clarify, Bill S. wrote this in response to drohan00.

Posted by: Joanne at August 08, 2015 10:58 AM (indTK)

367
Cruz comes off pretty much like every CEO I've ever met-

I don't get this. Trump is a CEO . Carly was a CEO. Was Cruz a successful business guy at some point?

All I see and hear is lawyer.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:58 AM (Yrjee)

368 Everything that you just listed was and is
doctrinaire. And it's only succeeded in strengthening the Donks and
shitting on the economy and legal immigrants.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 08, 2015 10:31 AM (nEQwk)


Building a fence is not enough. It is essential but it is only part of the solution. I am not ignoring other suggestions, but I am saying that laws and legal mechanisms are not enough if the population involved have no reason to participate.

Do Blue laws keep you from hammering nails on a Sunday, for example?
And why not?

Having your minute of hate at a candidate because of what was soundbited will make you depressed. Find out what she meant before you burn your adrenals out from outrage, and you sit out the election because of exhaustion.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2015 10:58 AM (3pRHP)

369 Because the media will do a bang up job exposing Hillary, right?

There must be a better way to say that...

Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2015 10:58 AM (FcR7P)

370 >> Because the media will do a bang up job exposing Hillary, right?

*snort*
The fact that she's running, let alone the Dem frontrunner is mind-boggling.
The fact that she didn't resign in shame after Benghazi is mystifying.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 10:58 AM (NOIQH)

371 Lingering shreds of human decency.

'You are far too trusting.'

Posted by: Grand Moff Tarkin at August 08, 2015 10:59 AM (Yrjee)

372 You know how you know that your bomber is over the target?
Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:50 AM (Yrjee)


That is the value of Arclight

Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2015 11:01 AM (3pRHP)

373 If I understand him, Trump wants to be the single payer of everyone's healthcare. That's awfully nice of him. He's getting my vote.

Posted by: Robert A. Fett at August 08, 2015 11:01 AM (lU0bX)

374 >>They're showing exactly how they're tactically handicapped. They will accept flawed assumptions, they do not know how to redirect questions, and they tip their hand on what their real policy preferences are.

It's very early in the process. Cruz has already done this and I seem to recall at least one other also doing the "I'm not gonna bash Trump, let's talk about such and such". I hope others get better at this instead of taking the bait but we'll see.

Nothing is going to be enough for some in the LIB camp but at least Trump has shown that going after the question or the questioner isn't verboten.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2015 11:02 AM (OGm46)

375 You know thinks Erick Erickson 'just say no to bashing Hills and Obama' strategy?

The entire Morning Joe panel.
Gee, I wonder why?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 11:02 AM (NOIQH)

376 Lizzy: "Saw Erick Erickson on Morning Joe talking about the Redstate Gathering. He said they've asked candidates to pretend they're running for their 2nd term (2020) and what they would do."

That's like asking a toddler his opinion on the upcoming summer 400m relay. Seems a bit presumptuous to talk about things when you haven't proven you can walk.

IOW, that's retarded, Sir.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2015 11:02 AM (1CroS)

377 Am I the only one that noticed Megyn overdoes the false eyelashes to a trashy extent? And her chin is a little too big? Dr. Carson (or the Trumpster too I bet) Could recommend someone to fix that Leno-chin.

Posted by: Kevin C. at August 08, 2015 11:04 AM (dWosO)

378 I don't get this. Trump is a CEO . Carly was a CEO. Was Cruz a successful business guy at some point?

All I see and hear is lawyer.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 10:58 AM (Yrjee)


Well, Carly and Cruz are pretty close emotionally and socially as well as brainwise-

so I'd say both fit the model.


Trump is a different animal because he's not as much a CEO as he is the "rainmaker" for his company.

Trump's greatest asset is getting people excited enough about a project to give him a lot of money without him, Trump, incurring much in the way of liability.

The old-fashioned tern for this would be "wheeler-dealer".

Watch "The Music Man" and you'll pretty much see the Trump methodology in action.

The "crudeness" that people are now getting their panties in a wad about-

is a weapon of deflection.


Not quite sure of why all the lawyer animus - did a lawyer once take your lunch money?

Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2015 11:06 AM (KUa85)

379 Almost all of the Fox gals do the heavy make-up.
A week or so ago Andrea Tantoros tweeted a picture from the beach. In addition to having a bangin' bod, she looked like a completely diff (still attractive) person w/out the make-up.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 11:07 AM (NOIQH)

380 It is really interesting how tame the Stockholm Syndrome Republicans are.

Did you miss the last 8 years? Did the Progs just march through America's institutions and drag the debate so far left that the mushy middle looks conservative or was I dreaming?

Do you think that reasonable "nice lawyer boys" are going to move the Overton Window one single inch?

I think Trump is a jerk and a terrible person .


So is Deng , and Vlad and Kim Jong and Khameini.


Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 11:09 AM (Yrjee)

381 Well, Carly and Cruz are pretty close emotionally and socially as well as brainwise-



so I'd say both fit the model.


Exactly.

If we are going to fix this mess , I contend that the "model" designed and reinforced by years of GOPe failure, must be smashed and replaced.


You a lawyer?

I have friends that are lawyers. They live to create big expensive problems that take years of high-dollar litigation to fix.

Is that the president we need?

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 11:13 AM (Yrjee)

382
The long and the short of this is that a vast majority of people who typically vote for the GOP have lost any confidence in anyone remotely associated with the political class. If you have served in government anywhere, you are not to be trusted. You are too vested in the current rules of the game.

This explains the schism between very smart people who are typically spot on on predicting who won a debate, but have completely missed the mark, especially with Carson and Trump and to a lesser extent Fiorina. They are making predictions based on a knowledge base of past history of politics as usual.

Currently the state of the world is looking like 1938, and we are probably less than a decade away from collapsing economically like Greece. Which means the standard rules of politics as we have known them, and which makes things reasonably predictable are going changing dramatically.


Posted by: Levin at August 08, 2015 11:17 AM (6pgRO)

383 380
It is really interesting how tame the Stockholm Syndrome Republicans are.

Did
you miss the last 8 years? Did the Progs just march through America's
institutions and drag the debate so far left that the mushy middle looks
conservative or was I dreaming?
Posted by: some random meathead at

This one. We know that those "very conservative" republicans running for president are all going to do the bidding of the monied donors.

Take a look at the immigration numbers it's staggering and every one of them is preaching "can't deport them."

Posted by: traye at August 08, 2015 11:18 AM (U1lbW)

384 Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 11:13 AM (Yrjee)

No, I'm no lawyer.

Like all people - some suck, some don't. There is no generic lawyer.

So, who's your smash the system candidate?


If it's Trump, that's okay with me. But, he will be a very mixed bag-

and get close to zero cooperation from the GOPe side of things, unless his electoral win is

YUUUUGE and his coat-tails bring in lots of new congress critters.

Anywho, who your smashy candidate?

Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2015 11:22 AM (KUa85)

385 nood

Posted by: Vic at August 08, 2015 11:23 AM (GpgJl)

386 "I don't know if it was the RNC, or Fox, or whoever, but it certainly appeared to look like an organized attack," [Trump special counsel Michael] Cohen said. "Obviously, somebody, you know, doesn't want him to continue to rise in the polls. They need to figure out how to stop this movement."


... Oh, yeah. It's the Vast Fox News Conspiracy (VFNC).

Trump may be used to using bullying tactics and this may work with NYC Democrats, but this alone is enough to have me vote for Bush (and I don't think we need another Bush) over Trump.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 08, 2015 11:36 AM (e8kgV)

387 I have tried to like them all.

I have been a PerryCruzWalkerCarson guy for a while but sadly the only person who has stated my position on the immigration issue which is very important to me, is Trump.

I love that he scares the GOP. I love that he holds the media in contempt.

I am SICK of the go along to get along right over the Communist cliff attitude of most of the candidates. My hope is that Trump will galvanize some of the GOP'rs into showing some guts and resolve. Otherwise , I enjoy watching Trump making the GOP squirm for as long as possible.

As BurtTC said above , it is a giant FU to the GOP.


I am sure that you are one of many fine attorneys in the profession. I simply wouldn't hire one for President. Or to paint my house.

IMHO it is not the right fit.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 11:37 AM (Yrjee)

388 The frequency of the "Yuge" "Rug" and "Dead Cat" responses make me think that the polls are being trolled.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 08, 2015 11:55 AM (laMCB)

389 "exposing Hillary"

yeewww, threw up a little...

Posted by: socalcon at August 08, 2015 12:01 PM (vHlQ5)

390 Government is all about the laws and regulations. A yuge thang--can't even imagine how many pages.

To wrestle the beast (laws and more laws), it doesn't hurt to have a very sharp lawyer on the case--someone like Cruz who has the same goals of dismantlement as many of us.

Posted by: Kevin C. at August 08, 2015 12:02 PM (dWosO)

391 If Trump was correct that politicians that he contributed to would take his calls, then he could turn this whole thing around by changing the subject completely. He could call Schumer and team up with him to blast the Iran deal and help take it down. Talk about America winning! Think what that would do to galvanize the R base and twist the GOPe in knots. Make America Great Again indeed.

Posted by: ThreeDimensionalChess at August 08, 2015 12:05 PM (x8Wor)

392 Great idea, ThreeDimensionalChess. Let's hope Trump is creative enough (or has someone reading these comments for him) to take his attention and momentum to new heights.

Posted by: Kevin C. at August 08, 2015 12:18 PM (dWosO)

393 Kevin C. Maybe while the anti Trump folks are distracted by RedState. Not hopeful, but stranger things have happened.

Posted by: ThreeDimensionalChess at August 08, 2015 12:30 PM (x8Wor)

394 Like so many of the R candidates, that punter had awful form and execution.

Posted by: NC Ref at August 08, 2015 01:00 PM (Myqtp)

395 I really wish Carson would run for the Senate or Governor somewhere. He really does have the talent to be a great leader and a future president with a little seasoning under his belt.



Posted by: William Eaton at August 08, 2015 01:27 PM (q52Ma)

396 Am I the only one that noticed Megyn overdoes the false eyelashes to a trashy extent? And her chin is a little too big?

Dead thread, but, yes and yes.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 08, 2015 01:47 PM (NaeCR)

397 Megyn Kelly's attitude reminds me of ESPN reporter, Britt McHenry, "do you know WHO I AM"....

Posted by: cind at August 08, 2015 02:31 PM (nRbbW)

398
317."So if Trump drops out and supports Cruz, will the Cruz supporters here demand the Trumpies get bent?"

No, never had, never will. Look, we all see the Trump support as evidence of a) GOPe cluelessness b) illegal immigration being ignored and crammed down via amnesty especially with Jeb!

... so looking for a response to that, well, the Trump polling is a thing of beauty in a way because basically you have a guy who broke all the political rules in the rulebook and his STILL IS DOING OKAY and it drives the GOPe nuts.

And it's all a voter passsive-aggressive response based on the GOP-e giving us years of cr8p sandwiches to eat.

The Trump temper tantrum will need to be done by Iowa because we now know Trump is not a conservative. But his supporters, well, it's well understood why they are frustrated enough to support him.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at August 08, 2015 04:21 PM (yTnTP)

399 Posted by: Male Chauvanist Perfectionist at August 08, 2015 10:51 AM (yTnTP)

Not sure where this "Donald is for single payer" is coming from.

https://youtu.be/5zFRjExsfTk?t=57s

Then this to Rand Paul:
"I don't think you heard me. You're having a hard time..."



Posted by: i like anchors at August 08, 2015 04:31 PM (6E2VN)

400 Who won the debate?

There was no debate....it was a Q&A session.

Posted by: bill45 at August 09, 2015 05:43 PM (JMNQR)

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