Morning Open Thread

Content is overrated but not overtly so.

Posted by: Dave In Texas at 08:09 AM




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1 Blorp.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 08:09 AM (O7MnT)

2 So are comments

Posted by: blaster at July 06, 2015 08:09 AM (2Ocf1)

3 Fist

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 06, 2015 08:09 AM (7RXcs)

4 Second

Posted by: Gwyneth's steaming hooha at July 06, 2015 08:09 AM (Cz/08)

5 Give me one generation of youth, and I will transform the whole world.

Lenin

Posted by: HAL 9000 at July 06, 2015 08:10 AM (VcOqI)

6

I don't see the Decision Desk covering Flynn for Congress.

I wonder how the early voting polling looks. Can't seem to find it anywhere.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 08:10 AM (qCMvj)

7 Top ten?

Posted by: Bystander at July 06, 2015 08:11 AM (0zXml)

8 Mornin

Posted by: Arson Wells at July 06, 2015 08:11 AM (UnJ7w)

9 Supposed to stain my deck, it keeps raining. Not sure if this is good or bad.

Posted by: blaster at July 06, 2015 08:11 AM (2Ocf1)

10 I am flying my Confederate flag in LGBT colors to gauge reaction.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at July 06, 2015 08:11 AM (VcOqI)

11 Guess time to provide some cute

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Rhiannon-Logsdon-dreams-9.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:12 AM (XwF+S)

12 Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.

Lenin

Posted by: HAL 9000 at July 06, 2015 08:12 AM (VcOqI)

13 g'mornin' again, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 06, 2015 08:12 AM (ZQfW9)

14 Links are on ONT

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 06, 2015 08:12 AM (GpgJl)

15 Supposed to stain my deck, it keeps raining. Not sure if this is good or bad.
Posted by: blaster at July 06, 2015 08:11 AM (2Ocf1)


We really need to do that too. But, we need to clean it first, really well. We are avoiding the hard washers, because they supposedly ruin the wood over time. So we scrub it clean first, and it's pretty big, a pain in the butt. We use that solution.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 08:13 AM (qCMvj)

16 *starts disconnecting HAL 9000's logic circuits*

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:13 AM (XwF+S)

17 Monday, and all is well in Obama's utopia!



It really sucks in everybody else's utopia though!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 06, 2015 08:13 AM (ftVQq)

18

I wonder if Ace will take off today, for the final push of Flynn's election tomorrow. This is big. Lahood is such a criminal.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 08:14 AM (qCMvj)

19 Hrothgar, so which do you like better?

Book or movie version of The Postman???

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:14 AM (XwF+S)

20 I assured Dave that it was quite feasible to ignite the loaded fireworks mortar tube from the top of his space helmet. I guess there will be one less meal tube utilized at breakfast.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at July 06, 2015 08:14 AM (VcOqI)

21 A guy near me has been flying the CBF outside his house since the whole shitstorm started.

I'm not sure how the black guys doing his lawn when I last drive by felt about it, though.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 08:14 AM (oVJmc)

22 I like cock.

Posted by: John Boner in Assless Chaps at July 06, 2015 08:14 AM (YFw5T)

23 10 I wonder if it might not be a bad idea to pick up a homo flag to fly over Fort Weasel as a diversionary tactic when the camps open. Could buy me an extra couple of days.

Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2015 08:14 AM (6xtq3)

24 Daisy, Daisy.....

Posted by: HAL 9000 at July 06, 2015 08:15 AM (VcOqI)

25 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 08:13 AM (qCMvj)


I just use the power washer, because the house will either be repossessed or turned into Section 8 housing, before the deck is destroyed.




Hmmm, on second thought, why bother staining the deck?

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 06, 2015 08:16 AM (ftVQq)

26 I was reading this piece from Drudge,

Goodbye Washington, hello Moscow? Saudi Arabia finds friendly face in Putin.

The two oil-producing giants seem to have made a breakthrough last month in their often adversarial relationship, signing several cooperation pacts. But incompatible foreign policies may yet cool the new warmth.


That linked to this one inside it:

Russia Builds Space Program With Saudi Arabia, Iran Amid Roscosmos' Struggles

because

Saudi Arabia's agreement with Russia occurred months after the Kremlin purportedly reached a similar arrangement with Iran, the Saudis' regional archrival, on joint space exploration, RT reported. Under that deal, Russia allegedly agreed to train would-be Iranian astronauts and collaborate on the production of satellites.

so disturbing.

This is about controlling space, spying, and weaponizing space.

Scary stuff.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 08:17 AM (qCMvj)

27 23 10 I wonder if it might not be a bad idea to pick up a homo flag to fly over Fort Weasel as a diversionary tactic when the camps open. Could buy me an extra couple of days.
Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2015 08:14 AM (6xtq3)

Not now.

NSA

Posted by: WOPR at July 06, 2015 08:17 AM (nRvEn)

28 *starts disconnecting HAL 9000's logic circuits*
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:13 AM


Nuke it form orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 08:18 AM (h4vJk)

29 Here we see the relentless pwoer of math vs. wishful thinking...

The Greeks will likely be subjected to a "bail-in" on bank deposits.

And this will be sufficient for a car payment and a half and maybe the electric bill for the month. The problem with these kinds of solutions, like the death spiral currently playing out in Venezuela, is that they can only be done once.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 06, 2015 08:19 AM (659DL)

30 Book or movie version of The Postman???


Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:14 AM (XwF+S)

A reviewing of movie is in the queue of things to do, but I have pretty much eschewed movies. I will make an exception for The Princess Bride and The Postman however.
I did like the book, there was a lot to think about there. Thanks for the recommendation.

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 06, 2015 08:19 AM (ftVQq)

31 Oh geez would that have been a serious monkey wrench in 2010 if Dr. Floyd, Curnow, and Dr. Chandra had made it aboard Discovery to find Bowman had taken with him HAL 9000's logic circuits.

Curnow throws up his hands in frustration and goes bouncing off a bulkhead, "Kuritza! Great now what?"

Dr. Floyd, "Is it possible to manually..."

Dr. Chandra, "I can do it."

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:19 AM (XwF+S)

32 This is about controlling space, spying, and weaponizing space.

I smell legacy!

Posted by: Barky O'Douche at July 06, 2015 08:19 AM (FcR7P)

33 With regards to Mr. Klaven

When the people of a very liberal state, California, pass a constitutional amendment to define marriage as being between a man and woman and then have elected officials declare they will not obey this amendment and then have the SCOTUS say no Californian has standing to defend the amendment, and now that the same maniacs have decided that the 14th amendment repealed the 10th and abridged the 1st because somehow the constitution now requires that the dignity of 0.04pct of the population trumps all.

So what exactly can we do about that Mr. Klaven?

What can we do???

Posted by: Kreplach at July 06, 2015 08:19 AM (VvoVZ)

34 Good morning good people.

Posted by: zeera at July 06, 2015 08:20 AM (CAJL/)

35 I am getting a "Palladian View" ( whatever that is) advert for a talk by Jeb Bush.

I liked yesterday's lingerie ad better.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at July 06, 2015 08:20 AM (RWGcK)

36 My mind is going. I can feel it.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at July 06, 2015 08:20 AM (VcOqI)

37 Saudi Arabia's agreement with Russia occurred months after the Kremlin purportedly reached a similar arrangement with Iran

I don't support Putin's policies, but I envy that the Russians have a leader who lives his country and seems competent at statecraft.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 08:20 AM (O7MnT)

38 "So what exactly can we do about that Mr. Klaven?"

Vote Republican!

Posted by: Bitch McConnell with a Dick in His Mouth at July 06, 2015 08:21 AM (YFw5T)

39 15 - I live in an urban area and the deck gets pretty grimy, the majority of which I suspect is mold and soot from car/bus exhaust. I have a medium duty power washer that works very well, however, I take my time and first lightly scrub on a wood cleaning solution, then power wash, then seal with a premium grade wood sealant. Comes out looking new.

Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2015 08:21 AM (6xtq3)

40 >>Good morning good people.

What about the rest of us?

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 08:21 AM (O7MnT)

41

Greece. What a mess.

excerpt from an op-ed over at the WSJ:

The Greeks Say No

Better a euro exit than the risk of antireform political contagion.

...

Mr. Tsipras and his ministers will also try to use the leverage of their European Union membership. The EU typically operates by consensus, and the Syriza Party government is likely to play the spoiler on Russian sanctions and other policies until it gets its way. Greek ministers are already musing about letting Greece become a thoroughfare for migrants from Africa and the Middle East into the EU. Expect more nasty threats and political blackmail.

But if Mrs. Merkel and her allies cave to Mr. Tsipras, the costs will be even more severe. The message will be that Europe's other debtor nations can also use political extortion to block pro-growth reform. Parties of the left in Italy, Portugal and Spain will have a new argument to make against the reforms that have begun to show some progress: Vote to reject the reforms that creditors demand, and the creditors will reward you anyway. This could doom the center-right Spanish government of Mariano Rajoy as it goes to the polls later this year.

This political contagion is a far greater threat to the integrity of the eurozone than is the immediate fallout from a Greek financial crisis or even a Greek exit from the currency bloc. If euro membership guarantees a permanent welfare check, then no debtor nation will reform. This is a recipe for permanently slow growth and unending economic crisis.


Russia, again.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 08:22 AM (qCMvj)

42 I just read an article bemoaning the lack of racial diversity in the new children's movie Inside Out.

Uh, the main characters are blue, green, and red.

They don't have races at all, as far as I can tell.

And had one of those characters been played by an Actor of Color tm we'd get lectures about how stereotypical they were.

You can't ever win with these people. And by "these people" I mean white beta males who write from NPR.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 08:22 AM (MYCIw)

43 New York Slime of all places has an article about the massive 20-50% rate increases being asked for by the insurance companies. Who could have seen this coming? The article actually does a decent job of explaining why the increases area necessary (huge demand for free stuff is expensive it turns out) but completely fails to mention that sane, rational people were predicting this and none of them are least bit surprised. Also not surprising is that Obama, feeling their pain, is urging his supporters to contact their state insurance regulators to pressure them to not approve the huge increases (and force them into bankruptcyt in 3-5 years as their losses are huge)

Can't say I feel the pain of anybody here: the insurance companies, their clients that expect frees stuff, the regulators and the Communists running this. They are all useful idiots. Hope the whole thing crashes and burns, the sooner the better.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at July 06, 2015 08:23 AM (1BQGO)

44
"So what exactly can we do about that Mr. Klaven?"



Vote DC Establishment Republican!



Posted by: Bitch McConnell with a Dick in His Mouth at July 06, 2015 08:21 AM (YFw5T)

More specifically

Posted by: Karl Rover at July 06, 2015 08:23 AM (ftVQq)

45 You may not be interested in austerity but austerity is interested in you.

Posted by: Leon Trotsky at July 06, 2015 08:24 AM (DkJ4E)

46 Next NASA rocket to be bathed in LGBT colors night before launch.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at July 06, 2015 08:24 AM (VcOqI)

47 >>But if Mrs. Merkel and her allies cave to Mr. Tsipras, the costs will be even more severe.

I fully expect the Eurotopians to cave. Past performance often is an indicator of future behavior.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 08:25 AM (O7MnT)

48 This is a recipe for permanently slow growth and unending economic crisis.

1933 waves. But the last century is so last century. We can't possibly learn anything from it.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 06, 2015 08:25 AM (659DL)

49 What can we do???
Posted by: Kreplach at July 06, 2015 08:19 AM (VvoVZ)

Food and ammo. Food and ammo.

Morning all you fapsticks.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 06, 2015 08:25 AM (nqiq9)

50 Yep Hrothgar, it is a meaty book full of gray and choices. Some choices far less optimal in a cruel world than in a hot house.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:25 AM (XwF+S)

51 But if Mrs. Merkel and her allies cave to Mr. Tsipras, the costs will be even more severe.

I fully expect the Eurotopians to cave. Past performance often is an indicator of future behavior.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 08:25 AM (O7MnT)



amazing how the blame points to Merkel, either way

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 08:26 AM (qCMvj)

52 Vic: Links are on ONT

Oh, good. I like starting my day with a search. Uhhg.

Morning, Glories.

Voting: Present

Posted by: mindful webworker - just like Fabulous Leader at July 06, 2015 08:27 AM (+/zXg)

53 Good morning

Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 08:27 AM (3ZtZW)

54 24 Daisy, Daisy.....
Posted by: HAL 9000


*hurridly puts pants on*

"Present, sir"

*salutes Ipad"

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at July 06, 2015 08:28 AM (/XJFz)

55 I don't know if this was covered elsewhere, because it's Monday and I'm too lazy to check, but here we have a true small "m" moron.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/oc7on34

Amazingly, this did not happen in Florida.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 08:28 AM (h4vJk)

56 Also not surprising is that Obama, feeling their pain, is urging his supporters to contact their state insurance regulators to pressure them to not approve the huge increases (and force them into bankruptcyt in 3-5 years as their losses are huge)

Good thing there is not a current example from anywhere else in the world of this kind of economic stupidity.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 06, 2015 08:29 AM (659DL)

57 re: the EU and Greece.

The old adage of "You owe the bank a thousand dollars, bank owns you. You owe the bank a million dollar,s you own the bank" applies.

The EU banks and the IMF, which is underwritten by US tax dollars, are going to try and game the situation on even the slimmest of chances of getting their money back. Why? Because they kept throwing good money after bad money instead of admitting far earlier what a mess it is.

But when the healthy economies got kicked in the shorts when the Euro was first adopted to allow the economic basket cases like Italy and Turkey to be members, the failure was already baked into the Doom Cake.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:30 AM (XwF+S)

58 But if Mrs. Merkel and her allies cave to Mr. Tsipras, the costs will be even more severe.

I fully expect the Eurotopians to cave. Past performance often is an indicator of future behavior.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 08:25 AM (O7MnT)


amazing how the blame points to Merkel, either way
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 08:26 AM (qCMvj)

I don't think either Merkel of the EU will cave on this. Greece is a lost cause. Better to cut your losses and get out. And also let this serve as a warning to Italy, Spain, and the others. In the end I see the EU breaking up. I mean how long do you expect Germany to carry the rest of Europe?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 08:30 AM (wq4B0)

59 I fully expect the Eurotopians to cave. Past performance often is an indicator of future behavior.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 08:25 AM


With the alternative being that the Eurozone starts cracking and they might be forced to admit that it was an insane idea in the first place?

Yeah. They cave, in the interests of keeping the fantasy alive.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 08:31 AM (h4vJk)

60 The EU banks and the IMF, which is underwritten by US tax dollars, are going to try and game the situation on even the slimmest of chances of getting their money back. Why? Because they kept throwing good money after bad money instead of admitting far earlier what a mess it is.

But when the healthy economies got kicked in the shorts when the Euro was first adopted to allow the economic basket cases like Italy and Turkey to be members, the failure was already baked into the Doom Cake.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:30 AM (XwF+S)

Germany is never going to get it's money back and they know that. That is why I think they will not fold on this one. Enough is enough

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 08:31 AM (wq4B0)

61 How are you doing today Lauren?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:32 AM (XwF+S)

62 We bought this house this spring, previous owners appear to have deferred a lot of maintenance. Plus lots of trees so there was a lot of ick on the deck.

Scrubbed it with deck cleaner and power washed. It is ready for stain/sealing (Thompson's is my deck product of choice)

It's a big deck, two levels, so a lot of work. Need a couple of dry days that haven't happened yet.

Also postponing my shed building.

Does give me more HQ time though.

Posted by: blaster at July 06, 2015 08:32 AM (2Ocf1)

63 I love this part in the WSJ piece; typical leftie


The world's leading progressive economists-- Joseph Stiglitz, among others--have been cheerleading a "no" vote and claiming that an exit from the eurozone would allow the magic elixir of devaluation to let Greece recover. It's gracious of them to volunteer the Greeks for this experiment, and they should now accept responsibility for the suffering that poor Greeks in particular will endure on the road to this promised land of the new drachma.

he and Krugman, both onboard the same ship

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 08:32 AM (qCMvj)

64 Good morning, all. The USA is still #1 if the criteria involves 11 women and a soccer ball. In other news, Iran is holding out for the whole pizza, the Saudis have despaired and are courting Putin, Obamacare is wrecking Big Insurance as intended, and job security is a thing of the past, like Burma-Shave ads.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 06, 2015 08:32 AM (ry4ab)

65 Germany is never going to get it's money back and they know that. That is why I think they will not fold on this one. Enough is enough
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 08:31 AM


I hope that's the case. The longer this farce goes on, the more people are hurt by it for the glory of "Europe." Pull the plug.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 08:34 AM (h4vJk)

66 Hanging in there, Anna Puma.

I have another doctor's apt tomorrow and I'm hoping that all the contractions will have finally gotten me past their magical threshold. We shall see. Otherwise, baby has been given an eviction date of the 16.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 08:34 AM (MYCIw)

67 47 >>But if Mrs. Merkel and her allies cave to Mr. Tsipras, the costs will be even more severe.

I fully expect the Eurotopians to cave. Past performance often is an indicator of future behavior.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale


I've been saying this on Twatter the last few days, but not explicitly that the EU will cave. Specifically, I believe Putin will make ovations to Greece that will seriously threaten the EU, and Tsipras knows this. If Russia makes another land-grab, it will fuel fears that Putin is re-assembling the Soviet Union, albeit with different satellites.

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at July 06, 2015 08:35 AM (/XJFz)

68 During WWII, captains and even admirals of the Imperial Japanese Navy would go down with their ships in an attempt to atone for their errors.

Kugrton and his fellow travelers would prefer to go down with the ship while drowning thousands of innocents instead of admitting they were wrong.

I really prefer the Japanese.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:35 AM (XwF+S)

69 48
This is a recipe for permanently slow growth and unending economic crisis.



1933 waves. But the last century is so last century. We can't possibly learn anything from it.
------------------
The Obummer non-administration has proved time and again that they can't learn a goddamn thing, because Obama is the Greatest President Ever. And they are Marxists in Democrats' clothing. Marxists are the living proof of futility in repetition.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 06, 2015 08:36 AM (ry4ab)

70 "Good thing there is not a current example from anywhere else in the world of this kind of economic stupidity."

No, no you don't understand. The Greece crisis is based on a group of European Utopians using Other Peoples Money money to pay the bills of irresponsible people in the hopes that someday they too will will become productive citizens. The Obamacare crisis is based on American Utopians using Other Peoples Money to pay the bills of irresponible people in the hopes that someday they too will become productive citizens.

See the difference?


Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at July 06, 2015 08:36 AM (1BQGO)

71 65 shot and only 10 killed in Chicago over the 4th weekend. Crime rate plummeting along with marksmanship skillz.

Posted by: dartist at July 06, 2015 08:37 AM (ahBY0)

72 Otherwise, baby has been given an eviction date of the 16.

Says here the baby has announced a referendum and is urging a "No" vote.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 06, 2015 08:37 AM (659DL)

73 We bought this house this spring, previous owners appear to have deferred a lot of maintenance. Plus lots of trees so there was a lot of ick on the deck.

Scrubbed it with deck cleaner and power washed. It is ready for stain/sealing (Thompson's is my deck product of choice)

It's a big deck, two levels, so a lot of work. Need a couple of dry days that haven't happened yet.

Posted by: blaster at July 06, 2015 08:32 AM (2Ocf1)


same here
two-tier, surrounded by woods

I hate to give up the deck right now for a few days at at time, one to clean it, then let it dry, then stain and let it dry. I may wait until the fall. Although, my hubby's going away for a year, so he won't be around to help, so it might have to be pushed for another year.

We've been using Olympic Maximum Waterproofing Stain (the Honey Gold, which is gorgeous).

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 08:38 AM (qCMvj)

74 I really hope your doctor agrees with you Lauren. That just sound truly miserable what you are going through.

But on the 16th? Anniversary of Apollo 11. Symbolism?

"Doctor! The kid just launched!"

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:38 AM (XwF+S)

75 62 I had used Thompsons for many years on several different decks, but was not impressed the last time I used it a couple of years ago. I'm not sure if they changed the formula or what, but it seemed like it was just wax suspended in alcohol (maybe they all are) and didn't seem to protect the wood very well. So I switched to DuckBack SuperDeck Clear Stain which is much pricier, but also seems to be about 100x better going on - not sure yet about how long it will last.

Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2015 08:39 AM (6xtq3)

76 "Says here the baby has announced a referendum and is urging a "No" vote."

Ha!

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 08:39 AM (MYCIw)

77 71 65 shot and only 10 killed in Chicago over the 4th weekend. Crime rate plummeting along with marksmanship skillz.
Posted by: dartist at July 06, 2015 08:37 AM (ahBY0)

Is just avoiding black people, especially groups of of black people, racist or prudent? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: kraken at July 06, 2015 08:40 AM (sdxPm)

78 66
Hanging in there, Anna Puma.



I have another doctor's apt tomorrow and I'm hoping that all the
contractions will have finally gotten me past their magical threshold.
We shall see. Otherwise, baby has been given an eviction date of the 16.
---------
The young 'un has been given notice. I was originally due July 18, but didn't decide to show up until August 5. It's the story of my life from the beginning.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 06, 2015 08:40 AM (ry4ab)

79 Royal Navy's HMS Queen Elizabeth powers up and will begin sea trials next year.

Too bad the F-35 is such a brick and they will have nothing to fly.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 06, 2015 08:40 AM (659DL)

80 "Doctor! The kid just launched!""

Haha. I had one baby do just that. They were doing the C-section and told me "ok, so you'll feel some pressure as we push her out...oh, nevermind she just sort of jumped out of the incision."

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 08:41 AM (MYCIw)

81 Obamacare is wrecking Big Insurance as intended

sort of

putting it in the hands of a "few" for the final single payer push

the small businesses are dying

how the insurance industry didn't see they were having the carpet pulled out from under them is beyond me

perhaps they did, and the BigPharma/BigInsurance knew they would get what was left of the picked carcasses.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 08:41 AM (qCMvj)

82 Jumped out?? That one will be the ninja ballerina.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:42 AM (XwF+S)

83 Free the Drachma!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 06, 2015 08:43 AM (evdj2)

84

The 4th of July went off without a major attack. Our intel doing a great job, let's assume.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 08:44 AM (qCMvj)

85 @79 Kind of makes you wonder if some little shop somewhere could undertake production of a new, somewhat improved Harrier. It's never going to be stealthy or supersonic, but there are certain jobs it can still do. Could be made more "lithe," I think. And maybe the maintenance rate could be fixed up a bit. Worth a thought at this juncture.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at July 06, 2015 08:44 AM (xq1UY)

86 "...oh, never mind...she just sort of jumped out of the incision."

Seriously, f*ck kids.

Posted by: Ellen Ripley at July 06, 2015 08:44 AM (kmtse)

87 That pre-citizen who shot and killed the woman in SF, seven prior felony convictions and yet he had a gun. It's almost like the progtard solutions for immigration and gun control don't work.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 06, 2015 08:45 AM (49+Jq)

88 Mondays suck.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 06, 2015 08:46 AM (kmtse)

89 "That pre-citizen who shot and killed the woman in SF, seven prior felony convictions and yet he had a gun."

He's claiming he found the gun wrapped in a t-shirt and it accidentally went off...3 times.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 08:47 AM (MYCIw)

90 "Is just avoiding black people, especially groups of of black people, racist or prudent? Asking for a friend."

Don't know but avoiding gay sex is a at least a microaggression, hateful and possibly grounds for a lawsuit based on the physiological/emotional distress you caused with your homophobic rejection.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at July 06, 2015 08:47 AM (1BQGO)

91 TWO DAYS AND A WAKE-UP, MOFOS!!!

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 06, 2015 08:48 AM (fwARV)

92 how the insurance industry didn't see they were having the carpet pulled out from under them is beyond me

perhaps they did, and the BigPharma/BigInsurance knew they would get what was left of the picked carcasses.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 08:41 AM (qCMvj)

the Isurance Companies know and are in on this. They have had and will continue to have for the next year or so, their loses covered by the Federal Gov. It's a great deal for them. THIS is the plan. In the end there will only be one or two carriers left and they will both be subsidized by the Feds, so in essence it will be a single carrier system with rationing, long lines, and shitty care....well except for the super rich who can afford "Private" DRs

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 08:48 AM (wq4B0)

93 He's claiming he found the gun wrapped in a t-shirt and it accidentally went off...3 times.

-
I hate when that happens.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 06, 2015 08:48 AM (KJ3FX)

94

Crazy uncle Sanders blasted past that other white guy running against the old white woman in the polling.

strange days

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 08:48 AM (qCMvj)

95 WashPo beginning to see things clearly?

It's Beginning to Look Like We'll Let Ukraine Fall Apart

http://tinyurl.com/ocmpbr8

Gotta get that Iran deal done, I guess...

for the children...

and shit.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at July 06, 2015 08:48 AM (BZAd3)

96 "That pre-citizen who shot and killed the woman in SF, seven prior felony convictions and yet he had a gun."

-----------------------------------------

So, tell me again how Donald Trump is wrong about Obama's Dreamers?

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 08:49 AM (O7MnT)

97 REFRIGERATION IS A HATE CRIME

Posted by: bacteria at July 06, 2015 08:49 AM (mG3Qj)

98 Crazy uncle Sanders blasted past that other white guy running against the old white woman in the polling.

---------------------------------------------

Democrats 2008: "Don't vote for the old white guy."

Democrat 2016: "Vote for the old white guy."

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 08:51 AM (O7MnT)

99 More good news:

Graph out of Congress shows ISIS growing influence in the states:

http://tinyurl.com/qh3evrb

More legacy awesomeness.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at July 06, 2015 08:51 AM (BZAd3)

100 The losses -- Chinese shares have shed more than a quarter of their value in three weeks -- pose an added risk, and possibly greater danger, to a global economy grappling with Greece's difficulties in repaying foreign loans and its possible exit from the euro. About $2.7 trillion in value has evaporated since the Chinese stock market peaked on June 12. That is six times Greece's entire foreign debt, or 11 years of Greece's economic output.

breitbart

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 08:52 AM (qCMvj)

101 In the end I see the EU breaking up. I mean how long do you expect Germany to carry the rest of Europe?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 08:30 AM


Germany carried its eastern half for quite a while. The public bitched about it, but went along in the name of Unity.

They, like America, are well-trained in the game of Open Your Wallets, because fairness and teh chirruns. And if the Germans can't save one of their sunny vacation destinations, the beaches at Majorca will get even more crowded. Until Spain bites the big one, anyway.

No one seems yet to realize that Choom Boy has followed the Greeks' path, too, ignoring debt and stepping up his Free Shit giveaways. It won't be long 'til the dollar is as respected a currency as the drachma.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 06, 2015 08:52 AM (P8YHq)

102 Two days and a wake-up?

Going over the wall at Camp X-Ray?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:52 AM (XwF+S)

103 Teh GOPe was out in force yesterday, on the Sunday shows, desperately trying to shun Trump. They don't want him the debates. Jebba and Marco the Rube are petrified of him.

Posted by: bystander at July 06, 2015 08:52 AM (hKyl0)

104 @87

Not to worry, Im sure if the maniacs on the SCOTUS squint just right they can interpret,"...shall not be infringed." to whatever will serve their agenda at the present time.

Hell, apparently the 14th amendment repealed huge swaths of the constitution and Bill of rights so why not the 2nd amendment.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 06, 2015 08:53 AM (VvoVZ)

105 I'll say it: there was no major attack over the weekend because the terrorist threat is overstated.

The biggest enemy is in DC.

Posted by: Blano at July 06, 2015 08:53 AM (NHQQx)

106 Give me a quarter or I'll touch you.

Posted by: The Trivago Guy at July 06, 2015 08:53 AM (yxw0r)

107 In the end I see the EU breaking up. I mean how long do you expect Germany to carry the rest of Europe?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 08:30 AM


If I recall my history correctly, the last time Germany was the sole economic power on the continent, things went quite badly for the continent.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 06, 2015 08:53 AM (fwARV)

108 So, tell me again how Donald Trump is wrong about Obama's Dreamers?
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 08:49 AM (O7MnT)

He is 100% right as I was arguing with that guy RHINO yesterday.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 08:54 AM (wq4B0)

109 today is the day the Lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it.

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 06, 2015 08:54 AM (0O7c5)

110 If I recall my history correctly, the last time Germany was the sole economic power on the continent, things went quite badly for the continent.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 06, 2015 08:53 AM (fwARV)

History does tend to repeat itself. And so in that vain, I urge ALL Jews to get out of Europe NOW

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 08:55 AM (wq4B0)

111 Well, that's great. Kerry is looking for a "win" with a ridiculous and meaningless deal with Iran, and while that's happening the world is "fundamentally changing".

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 06, 2015 08:56 AM (Xa4vS)

112 Monster Hunter International on Amazon is still a free Kindle download.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:56 AM (XwF+S)

113 Going over the wall at Camp X-Ray?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:52 AM (XwF+S)


Going over the wall at Camp Don't Fucking Work Here No More.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 06, 2015 08:56 AM (fwARV)

114 65 shot and only 10 killed in Chicago over the 4th weekend. Crime rate plummeting along with marksmanship skillz.

I think the best thing Chicago could do is set up firing ranges for bangers to practice marksmen ship. It costs Chicago lots of bucks to just treat the wounded. The dead have to be a lot cheaper.

Posted by: Colin at July 06, 2015 08:56 AM (WQLtV)

115 89 That pre-citizen who shot and killed the woman in SF, seven prior felony convictions and yet he had a gun.



He's claiming he found the gun wrapped in a t-shirt and it accidentally went off 3 times.

Posted by: at July 06, 2015 08:47 AM (MYCIw)

And he had been deported 5 times already. Sounds like they didn't deport him far enough, like the middle of the ocean.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 06, 2015 08:56 AM (GpgJl)

116 Hm.

Went back to read Vic's news, and went on to read reactions to Klaven, posted late on the ONT.

Whew.

From the viciousness of the ONT comments, seems t'me there is no longer a place on this forum for the now-alternative, minority viewpoint that America is worth the effort. The nattering nabobs of negativity have won, joining their regressive brothers in denouncing and abandoning the country as it could be.

I like the horde when it soars with patriotism, not so much submerged in hopelessness and despair. The Regressives never really get under my skin, but voices of alleged right-thinkers giving up are starting to make me ill.

I've already been attacked once on here for my views on this - not so much personal attack as just snarling back and called names. Since I'm not one who likes to fight just for expressing my opinion, I'm thinking maybe I shouldn't be hanging out here any more?

And that's a really sad thought.

Maybe I just need some coffee. Maybe.

Posted by: mindful webworker - still proudly American at July 06, 2015 08:56 AM (+/zXg)

117 Looks like banning the Confederate Battle Flag really worked!

In Chicago, anyway.

Only 7 dead and 40 wounded.

Rahm's spokesman said, "ISIS are pikers."

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at July 06, 2015 08:56 AM (BZAd3)

118 Oh, and he claimed he was shooting at something else.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 06, 2015 08:57 AM (GpgJl)

119 @103

That's because they will have to deal with what he is saying.

All they want to do is keep up the fiction that current immigration policy is "broken."

Posted by: Kreplach at July 06, 2015 08:57 AM (VvoVZ)

120 I mean how long do you expect Germany to carry the rest of Europe?

They promised a Thousand Years, didn't they?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 08:57 AM (oVJmc)

121 We need a doom thread today to celebrate Greece.

Posted by: Draki at July 06, 2015 08:57 AM (0eidE)

122 He is 100% right as I was arguing with that guy RHINO yesterday.

I got Kevin Williamson all pissed off at me on the Twitters yesterday.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 08:58 AM (O7MnT)

123 History does tend to repeat itself. And so in that vain, I urge ALL Jews to get out of Europe NOW

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 08:55 AM


And, as history repeats itself, the Good, Tolerant, Right-thinking Jews will do nothing that gets in the way of Social Justice For All. Even if a few million have to die, the European Jews seem to have been the first to invent Good Optics.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 06, 2015 08:59 AM (P8YHq)

124 Oh, and he claimed he was shooting at something else.

By accident.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 06, 2015 08:59 AM (659DL)

125 Crazy uncle Sanders blasted past that other white guy running against the old white woman in the polling. strange days...

I guess the whole imperial v metric measurement argument caught fire with the voters. Couldn't possibly be that he wants to redistribute wealth like zerobama on crack.

Nah, that's crazy talk.

Posted by: se pa moron at July 06, 2015 08:59 AM (xQX/f)

126 Glad you got out of the cesspool Nearsider. Hope the new one is far better and far away.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:59 AM (XwF+S)

127 Welcome To The UK: Father And Child Stroll Past Big Ben With ISIS Flags



Londonistan at its finest.

Weasel Zippers

Maybe they were on the way to Walmart to have a cake made?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 09:00 AM (wq4B0)

128 105 I'll say it: there was no major attack over the weekend because the terrorist threat is overstated.

The biggest enemy is in DC.
Posted by: Blano at July 06, 2015 08:53 AM (NHQQx)

Why should the jihadis exert themselves. The government is doing the legwork, after all.

Posted by: kraken at July 06, 2015 09:00 AM (sdxPm)

129 maybe Levin's new book could be on the August reading list - or a Special Book Thread edition.

The power of Levin's book is in his taking virtually every major problem facing the country -- the debt, entitlements, open immigration, radical environmentalism, education, minimum wage, national security, the Constitution, and others -- and compellingly laying out the case against big government and the Left while building the case for the individual and conservatism. He then clearly lays out solutions that the entire country, including young people, should be able to rally around.

In Plunder and Deceit, Levin is unrelenting in his barrage of facts, history, and logic as he eviscerates an out-of-control government. He also explains how the federal Leviathan is destroying the nation, with calamitous consequences for future generations. The book is embargoed until its August release and we anticipate it will be a breakaway bestseller. As with his other bestsellers, Levin's scholarship is impeccable and his intellect is as sharp as ever. And as always, his passion for freedom is evident throughout the book.


breitbart

I've only read one of his, Liberty and Tyranny, but this one sends compelling enough to read. Aug. 4 release date.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 09:00 AM (qCMvj)

130 So here's a good non-pc story.

A girl I went to college with just found out that her husband is trolling craigslist for gay hook ups. Now, this girl is liberal and "open minded" but she absolutely blasted him for the entire world to see on facebook, including tagging what appeared to be every mutual friend they shared and his entire family.

We're talking "Name of Husband has been looking to give blow jobs on craigslist. Leave me out of your STD riddled world, you cowardly jackass. No one cares if you're gay, but I sure as hell care if you give me AIDS"

Now, the gay rights activists tell me that these situations are just about men finally being true to their true selves, but something tells me the jilted wife is less than supportive here.

Of course, I just hope he didn't give her an STD and she'll be ok. They have young children too.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 09:00 AM (MYCIw)

131 Oh, and he claimed he was shooting at something else.



By accident.


He dindu nuffin.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 09:00 AM (oVJmc)

132 Glad you got out of the cesspool Nearsider. Hope the new one is far better and far away.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 08:59 AM (XwF+S)


My commute goes from about 80 minutes to... six. Maybe ten.

I'm going from an office full of civilian diversity hires with no skill sets to an office full of current and prior-service military men and women who have (nearly) all been in the fight.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 06, 2015 09:01 AM (fwARV)

133 Thing is, if they succeed in keeping Trump out of the debates, they will make a third party run in 16, whether by Trump or someone else, that much more likely.

They are going to have to suck it up and debate him face to face and beat him if they can--but look for the Stupid Party to do the stupid thing and assure themselves a big loss in 16.

Posted by: bystander at July 06, 2015 09:01 AM (hKyl0)

134 I have a question. Setting aside ideology, if you wanted to pick a Republican solely on the basis of who could win (and not on the basis of who you would actually want governing), who would you choose?

Sadly, I think the answer might be the Cuban Combover. Yeah, I know he's basically Jeb with a combover, but in terms of appealing to LIV's, he's probably the most viable.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 09:02 AM (O7MnT)

135 lauren

how sad.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 06, 2015 09:02 AM (0O7c5)

136 Greece is kinda big and shit, so people might have a hard time imagining what is going on there. That's why we have the Chicago Public Schools to use as a microcosm into how socialism and socialists work for the good of the 'little people'.

http://tinyurl.com/qe8ke78

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at July 06, 2015 09:03 AM (BZAd3)

137 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 06, 2015 09:03 AM (kff5f)

138 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 06, 2015 09:04 AM (kff5f)

139 So have the riots in Germany or Greece started yet?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 06, 2015 09:04 AM (kff5f)

140 >>My commute goes from about 80 minutes to... six. Maybe ten.

That sounds fantastic!

Morning all.

BTW, someone shared a video this weekend of Uncle Jesse from Dukes of Hazard telling the duke boys that 'god put us here on this earth to overcoming things like hating people for something they did to us in the past', labeling it 'you tell em, uncle jesse'. Heh.

Posted by: Lea at July 06, 2015 09:04 AM (lIU4e)

141 Thanks Phoenix Girl, that made feel secure & smile & I needed that!

Today is indeed the day the Lord has made

Posted by: Ruth at July 06, 2015 09:04 AM (oo88B)

142 I might have to work on that"rejoicing on the day" thing.More of an Ecclesiastes frame of mind here, in light of the times I'm living in.

Posted by: kraken at July 06, 2015 09:04 AM (sdxPm)

143 "Barack Obama is a SCOAMT"

He has quite a large penis.

Posted by: John Boner in Assless Chaps at July 06, 2015 09:05 AM (YFw5T)

144
So, Sanders really say that cervical cancer is caused by women not having enough orgasms?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 06, 2015 09:06 AM (iQIUe)

145 That Darwing award winner in Maine?

What's the over/under his last words were "Watch this"?

OR

"Hold my beer"?

Truly maximum zoom dweeb dumbass boom.

closed casket for that funeral.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:06 AM (x3GpS)

146 Eighty minute commute? *falls over* Yeah that will make you life so much better at only ten minutes.

Wow, would hate to move this collection
Photo 1 -http://preview.tinyurl.com/ps2natc
Photo 2 - http://preview.tinyurl.com/o62u49m

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 09:06 AM (XwF+S)

147 I like the horde when it soars with patriotism, not so much submerged in hopelessness and despair. The Regressives never really get under my skin, but voices of alleged right-thinkers giving up are starting to make me ill.

I've already been attacked once on here for my views on this - not so much personal attack as just snarling back and called names. Since I'm not one who likes to fight just for expressing my opinion, I'm thinking maybe I shouldn't be hanging out here any more?

And that's a really sad thought.

Maybe I just need some coffee. Maybe.
Posted by: mindful webworker - still proudly American at July 06, 2015 08:56 AM (+/zXg)


Ignore the attackers and stay.
Attackers are a dime a dozen.

Stay the course.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 09:06 AM (qCMvj)

148 "But Daddy, why did the evil Republicans destroy the Early Morning Thread?

I couldn't respond. All I could do was sob uncontrollably and let her comfort me."

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 06, 2015 09:06 AM (baR5c)

149 Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 09:00 AM (MYCIw)

Holy crap.

I hope she and her kids are okay after that.

Of course, I *could* be mean and point out that a very large number of people are "socially liberal" in theory, but when it comes to practice (as in: acting on, or at least accepting, it in their own lives), not so much.

But that would be mean, so I won't point that out.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 06, 2015 09:07 AM (kff5f)

150 ""Hold my beer"?"

I'm guessing it was that one.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 09:07 AM (MYCIw)

151 I'm going from an office full of civilian diversity hires with no skill sets to an office full of current and prior-service military men and women who have (nearly) all been in the fight.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 06, 2015 09:01 AM (fwARV)


Which pretty much means they'll be fighting to keep you at the end of the term.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 06, 2015 09:07 AM (MPIX5)

152 Clearly, islam is a religion of peace.

Posted by: A bloody severed head at July 06, 2015 09:07 AM (zuBg2)

153 Has Obama said anything about the child shot in Chicago..it could have been his child, you know. When's Al going to show up, oh, sorry no white cop involved.

Posted by: Colin at July 06, 2015 09:08 AM (WQLtV)

154
I also heard someone on the radio say Sanders made another idiotic statement about the cause of mental illness. I cant remember the exact words but it reminded me of something I read yesterday when I was reading about commie spies. One of the spies husband's went nuts and the psychiatrist treating him, also a lefty/commie, made a similar statement as to the cause. Now this was back in the 30s/40s but still - stupid.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 06, 2015 09:09 AM (iQIUe)

155 I see a NYT hit piece on Yahoo news this morning, telling me that "Marco Rubio Is Cuba's Least Favorite Son", an article filled with the distaste of a long parade of people who have been living under the Castro regime their entire lives.

The NYT now thinks Stockholm Syndrome is the best way to protect Her Thighness.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 09:09 AM (oVJmc)

156 So Christie also now does NOT want to build a wall on our Southern Border? What is he going to nicely ask the Mexicans to stop? What a fat fuckin ass...well in more ways than one

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 09:10 AM (wq4B0)

157 He is 100% right as I was arguing with that guy RHINO yesterday.

I got Kevin Williamson all pissed off at me on the Twitters yesterday.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 08:58 AM (O7MnT)


how so?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 09:10 AM (qCMvj)

158 That Darwing award winner in Maine?

What's the over/under his last words were "Watch this"?

OR

"Hold my beer"?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:06 AM


Not mutually exclusive. I'll go with "Hold my beer and watch this," followed by a Darwin Award-level splodey event.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 09:10 AM (h4vJk)

159 134
I have a question. Setting aside ideology, if you wanted to pick a
Republican solely on the basis of who could win (and not on the basis of
who you would actually want governing), who would you choose?



Sadly, I think the answer might be the Cuban Combover. Yeah, I know
he's basically Jeb with a combover, but in terms of appealing to LIV's,
he's probably the most viable.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 09:02 AM (O7MnT)


haven't we tried that 3 times in a row and lost. Winnable moderates do not win.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 06, 2015 09:11 AM (GpgJl)

160 today is the day the Lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it.
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 06, 2015 08:54 AM (0O7c5)


worth repeating

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 09:11 AM (qCMvj)

161 "So what exactly can we do about that Mr. Klaven?"


This is what drives me nuts. I had an exchange a couple of days ago with some troll named "DrewM sucks", ending with him calling me a coward because I was no longer interested in the GOP after what happened with the Tea Party(which I think was our last conservative chance at changing our current course). The GOP does not respect me any more than the Democrats did for the 25+ years I belonged to that party. IMHO, I don't believe anything short of revolution will redirect our path back to our founding principles.

Posted by: hadoop at July 06, 2015 09:12 AM (2X7pN)

162 I remember a few years ago seeing some travel show and this little old lady in a small town in Greece was put out of business by the EU. She use to make a small amount of cheese in her kitchen and sell it at the market. Because of all the freaking rules and regulations the EU imposed, she couldnt do it anymore. Did they really think that she posed a threat to other cheese manufacturers in other EU countries?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 06, 2015 09:12 AM (iQIUe)

163 >>how so?

I replied to one of his tweets by saying people had a right to be angry at the GOP for their lying and betrayal.

He responded that I was "stupid" and should stop "whining."

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 09:12 AM (O7MnT)

164 how so?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 09:10 AM (qCMvj)

how so what? I said Trump is 100% right

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 09:12 AM (wq4B0)

165 Sadly, I think the answer might be the Cuban
Combover. Yeah, I know he's basically Jeb with a combover, but in terms
of appealing to LIV's, he's probably the most viable.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 09:02 AM


Naaaaah. It's Jeb! by a country mile. Nice, safe white guy, who clearly loves him some Brown Folks. Not a hint of controversy in his positions, and he has distanced himself politically from Dubya. He won't p*ss off the Democrats, because he is, at heart, one of them. I'm betting he can talk real purty to the Big-Money Republicans, too.

When he's nominated, Rash Fatblob will support him -- as much as he ever supports any candidate -- because he's the Safe Choice.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 06, 2015 09:13 AM (P8YHq)

166 Economist from France making the point that Germany wouldn't be where it is right now if it's debt hadn't been restructured and some of it forgiven after WWII.

Some very good points and shows that it's not as black and white as some over here think that it is.

What it's really about is who will control Europe and who will determine how to bail out countries that get in trouble.

When they were all sovereigns, they had many more options to choose from plus some are saying that Greece got in trouble because it was too easy to borrow in the first place.

This isn't an excuse but it does happen on many levels where ones debt gets out of control faster than one realizes. Especially when their are economic upheavals that they can't control that now make your once manageable debt unmanageable.

I faced that myself when the company I worked for closed with little warning and was unable to find a replacement job that paid close to the same. Then when I lost that one, I had to default as I had no money to pay the debt with only enough to live on (barely).

shit happens and let no one think they're immune or that it can't happen to them.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:13 AM (x3GpS)

167 Through the looking glass Alice?

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Rhiannon-Logsdon-dreams-1.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 09:14 AM (XwF+S)

168 The EU is simply 12 more layers of bureaucracy --kinda like our Homeland Security - that only makes all government more inefficient and expensive. I mean what could possibly go wrong

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 09:14 AM (wq4B0)

169 Barrack always gets my affirmative consent.

Posted by: John Boner in Assless Chaps at July 06, 2015 09:15 AM (YFw5T)

170 Lauren, that story is basically what happened with my cousins' husband, except that he actually got AIDS from it. Big, huge mess.

Posted by: Lea at July 06, 2015 09:15 AM (lIU4e)

171 Americans are warming to thought control:

http://tinyurl.com/pq94esn

I wonder if the Dept. of Thought Crimes will fall under Homeland Security?

Whatever... More job opportunities.

Good ole Barry. Focusing like a laser.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at July 06, 2015 09:15 AM (BZAd3)

172 Posted by: mindful webworker - still proudly American at July 06, 2015 08:56 AM (+/zXg)

The problem with the Klavan piece isn't him saying we should fight. The problem is that we've had our butts kicked. We don't control the media or entertainment, our votes are worthless, SCOTUS is just making it up with four "justices" who vote pretty much as a Leftist block, and some "conservatives" were very happy to go along with the homosexual marriage. So why shouldn't conservatives despair when their "leaders" are feckless and this country is far different from what it was even 20 years ago?

We've lost the country and Klavan's rah-rah doesn't change that. Admitting it is important to figure out what to do next.

Posted by: WOPR at July 06, 2015 09:15 AM (nRvEn)

173 116 - MWW. hope you just need more coffee and stay.

Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2015 09:15 AM (6xtq3)

174 What it's really about is who will control Europe and who will determine how to bail out countries that get in trouble.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:13 AM (x3GpS)



Just a reminder....

Heaven: the cooks are French, the policemen are English, the mechanics are German, the lovers are Italian and the bankers are Swiss.

Hell: the cooks are English, the policemen are German, the mechanics are French, the lovers are Swiss and the bankers are Italian....

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 06, 2015 09:16 AM (MPIX5)

175 Rick Perry is a good guy, has a great record and really deserves to be President, but he's not a good candidate.

On "This Week" with Stephanopolis, he showed he was slow on his feet with questions and for some reason, he didn't want to challenge the press. Maybe is was over-compensation for the last run's fuckups, but there was no confidence in his presentation.

I'm sorry, but republicans need someone who can talk.

Posted by: jwest at July 06, 2015 09:16 AM (9ZZd+)

176 Hell, apparently the 14th amendment repealed huge swaths of the constitution and Bill of rights so why not the 2nd amendment.


That is actually the tactic I expect the leftists to try. The 13th obviously said the draft was unconstitutional but the supreme court said the 14th over ruled the 13th - so that form of slavery is still OK - because "the state has a right to exist" or something.

Here is their argument: The 2nd is in place so that the citizens have the power to overthrow a tyrannical government. But the 14th says that the government has a right to exist - therefore the 2nd amendment is repealed - turn in your guns.

Posted by: An Observation at July 06, 2015 09:16 AM (KFIQL)

177 Economist from France making the point that Germany wouldn't be where it
is right now if it's debt hadn't been restructured and some of it
forgiven after WWII.


I'd say there's a difference between a crushed enemy and a lazy brother-in-law.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 09:16 AM (oVJmc)

178 how so?

I replied to one of his tweets by saying people had a right to be angry at the GOP for their lying and betrayal.

He responded that I was "stupid" and should stop "whining."

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 09:12 AM (O7MnT)


oy

I'll have to go take a look.

thanks

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 09:17 AM (qCMvj)

179 >>haven't we tried that 3 times in a row and lost. Winnable moderates do not win.

A fair point, which is why I ask the question.

Personally, I'm supporting Rand Paul (at this stage) and I think he could win. Others disagree. I would be just as happy with Ted Cruz but I have to ask myself --- considering the Sarah Palin levels of hate he receives from liberals and the GOP establishment (but I repeat myself) --- if he could really win.

Jeb is an establishment moderate and a sure loser. Ditto Pataki, Graham, and Christie. I am not advocating a moderate be nominated.

Just asking who... in the current climate of identity politics and very dumb voters... is most likely to win.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 09:17 AM (O7MnT)

180 ((mindful webworker))

everyone is frustrated.....the last election was supposed to be the beginning of better times....instead of things turning around...our own people are accelerating our decline......





Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 06, 2015 09:18 AM (0O7c5)

181 Since I'm not one who likes to fight just for expressing my opinion, I'm thinking maybe I shouldn't be hanging out here any more?

And that's a really sad thought.

Maybe I just need some coffee. Maybe.


I get all tied up in knots from the negativity at times also, but then I read something that steers me back on track; today it was Phoenix Girl's post & other days it's someone's hopeful analysis of something. The downers are empty and that's why we need you, Mindful Webworker, & others like you, to keep the balance. We're all here for much the same reasons, especially to reassure ourselves that we're not the only ones who actually see & understand what's happening around us --I'm comforted with all y'all's company, insight, humor, & ability to voice your frustrations.

Have a coffee & rejoice in this day - God will be working through us today.

Posted by: Ruth at July 06, 2015 09:18 AM (oo88B)

182 I heard ten chicks and a dude won a soccer game yesterday.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 06, 2015 09:18 AM (TOk1P)

183 Awful, Lea.

I hope your cousin has been able to rebuild her life.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 09:19 AM (MYCIw)

184 Did they really think that she posed a threat to other cheese manufacturers in other EU countries?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 06, 2015 09:12 AM


No one, however small, may be allowed to escape the boot of the state. Period. Ask a whole bunch of little American kids who tried to sell lemonade.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 09:19 AM (h4vJk)

185 Economist from France making the point that Germany wouldn't be where it
is right now if it's debt hadn't been restructured and some of it
forgiven after WWII.


yeah I don't agree with that. That's an argument that would have to go all the way back to WW1 and the Peace Treaty at Versailles. But forgetting all that, and as a Jew I am not big fan of Germany, but Germany was, is, and will always be the economic engine of Europe. For what ever reasons, and there are many, the rest of the European Countries are more or less useless

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 09:19 AM (wq4B0)

186 Sean, should this be an update?

Heaven - Politicians are Finnish.

Hell - Politicians are Greek.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 09:19 AM (XwF+S)

187 We've lost the country and Klavan's rah-rah doesn't change that. Admitting it is important to figure out what to do next.
Posted by: WOPR at July 06, 2015 09:15 AM (nRvEn)


follow Ace's lead
put your energy into a winner
then another
then another

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 09:20 AM (qCMvj)

188 "instead of things turning around...our own people are accelerating our decline......"

I think that's really the most frustrating part. What would be different had the Dems took all the seats that the GOP won last election?

Not a damn thing.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 09:20 AM (MYCIw)

189 Economist from France making the point that Germany wouldn't be where it is right now if it's debt hadn't been restructured and some of it forgiven after WWII.

Minor difference: Once Germany's debt had been restructured and some forgiven, Germany then lived up to its side of the bargain and paid off the remaining debt.

Greece has already been given that opportunity twice- the first time it defaulted, the second time (this one) it rejected the opportunity.

Also, Germany was its own sovereign nation (well, East Germany was) which had control over its own currency, so it could take meaningful action to pay those debts. Greece is *not* a sovereign nation anymore (not in any way that counts), and does *not* (currently) have control over its own currency, so it *cannot* taking meaningful action to pay its debts.

I don't think anyone is saying that we should excoriate the Greeks and shun them in polite society, but their exit from the Euro is, frankly, overdue. The Euro itself is bad as implemented, and needs to be dissolved.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 06, 2015 09:20 AM (kff5f)

190 Chitcago is a city of peace and prosperity, and is run by smart and skillful men and women elected on the merits of their achievements.

Posted by: Dr. Giggles at July 06, 2015 09:21 AM (zuBg2)

191 As to the heavy hand of government in re complaints about free range children, bake sales, lemonade stands:

Those most likely were all instigated by a neighbors complaint.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:21 AM (x3GpS)

192 >>haven't we tried that 3 times in a row and lost. Winnable moderates do not win.

And, technically, the Republicans have tried that seven times in a row (1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012) and lost the popular vote five times.

Apparently, "electable moderates" may be less electable than thought.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 09:22 AM (O7MnT)

193 Saigon.

Shit.

Still only in Saigon.

Posted by: blaster at July 06, 2015 09:22 AM (2Ocf1)

194 Just asking who... in the current climate of identity politics and very dumb voters... is most likely to win.

Don't rule out The Donald. People are liking what he's saying, and they're liking that he's not backing down.

A lot of LIVs know him (which is important) and are liking what he's saying. The MFM is trying to play like he's a clown (and, to an extent, he is), but they seem to be forgetting that they give him a pulpit every time they push a microphone in front of his face.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 06, 2015 09:23 AM (kff5f)

195 Awful, Lea.
I hope your cousin has been able to rebuild her life.
Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 09:19 AM (MYCIw)


Well, she's managing I think. It was a mess for a while there. I could go on a rant about how she might have anticipated this possibility but I didn't even like the guy and I never thought he would be as gross and sleazy as he was.

Posted by: Lea at July 06, 2015 09:23 AM (lIU4e)

196 He responded that I was "stupid" and should stop "whining."

Williamson reminds me of Hitchens, great when he's great, but a nasty drunk when he's not.

I don't know if Williamson was drunk, but it makes me wonder.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 09:24 AM (oVJmc)

197 Also, she seems to be dealing with it by getting dumb tattoos...

Posted by: Lea at July 06, 2015 09:24 AM (lIU4e)

198 Keep in mind also that the EU was started mostly to counter the US as a "hyper power".

France found that economic agreements weren't enough so they instigated a amalgam of sovereign states into one so as to provide a single voice and implementation.

They were bent on our reduction in power at their advantage.

now it's not looking like such a good idea.

And guess who they expect to help them out.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:25 AM (x3GpS)

199 I'd say there's a difference between a crushed enemy and a lazy brother-in-law.

Something else also going on at the time. The crushed enemy was under direct threat from the fat, noisy neighbor.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 06, 2015 09:25 AM (659DL)

200 Re 192... Add to the fact that "moderates" tend to get their asses handed to them come election day, I sure as hell don't want one in office even if they stumble in to a win.

Posted by: kraken at July 06, 2015 09:25 AM (sdxPm)

201 And only as the threat from Russia seemed to have dissipated.

At our expense.

And we still have troops there and they still haven't taken over fully the burden of their own defense.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:26 AM (x3GpS)

202 A commenter on Hey Jackass thinks the Honor Students who have been previously shot in Chicago should receive some sort of recognition like "Shot in the Ass, with Oak Leaf Cluster". In other words SIAWOLC, Whichever one of you morons wrote that, thank you for the laugh.

Posted by: dartist at July 06, 2015 09:27 AM (ahBY0)

203 Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 09:24 AM (oVJmc)

I think the problem with a lot of the pundits is that their bread is largely buttered by the GOP (which means the GOPe). So however much they may realize that the Republican Establishment is lying to them about being at all conservative, they can't say that, or they'll find themselves on the outs.

What they don't realize is that if enough of them did it all at once, the Republican Establishment wouldn't be able to do anything, except possibly start playing nice.

Whatever the reason, they *know* that the GOPe hates Conservatives, and their job is to lie to Conservatives about that. Having a job that requires you to lie all day is not good for your mental health.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 06, 2015 09:27 AM (kff5f)

204 Shit.

Still only in Saigon.

Posted by: blaster at July 06, 2015 09:22 AM


The horror....the horror....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 09:28 AM (h4vJk)

205 Americans are warming to thought control:

http://tinyurl.com/pq94esn

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at July 06, 2015 09:15 AM (BZAd3)


To quote the political philosopher who best understood the tyrannical impulses of the left.

" A true victory is to make your enemy see they were wrong to oppose you in the first place." - Gul Dukat.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 09:28 AM (O7MnT)

206 @194

I'll tell you right now, if Trump can pull a Neo and have some coheren political rhetoric and ideology jacked into him he could have a shot at being President.

Hell he would be the perfect President for the bread and circuses phase we are now tending toward.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 06, 2015 09:28 AM (VvoVZ)

207
Which pretty much means they'll be fighting to keep you at the end of the term.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 06, 2015 09:07 AM (MPIX5)


Which is both my assumption and my hope.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 06, 2015 09:29 AM (fwARV)

208 Or, more completely...

"A true victory is to make your enemy see they were wrong to oppose you in the first place. To force them to acknowledge your greatness. Then you kill them, but only if necessary." - Gul Dukat.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 09:30 AM (O7MnT)

209 Which is both my assumption and my hope.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 06, 2015 09:29 AM (fwARV)


Cream rises to the top.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 06, 2015 09:31 AM (MPIX5)

210 Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 06, 2015 09:31 AM (MPIX5)

Unfortunately, shit floats also.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:31 AM (x3GpS)

211 *arches an eyebrow at Sean*

Cream? Are you sure?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 09:32 AM (XwF+S)

212 I think the problem with a lot of the pundits is
that their bread is largely buttered by the GOP (which means the GOPe).
So however much they may realize that the Republican Establishment is
lying to them about being at all conservative, they can't say that, or
they'll find themselves on the outs.



What they don't realize is that if enough of them did it all at
once, the Republican Establishment wouldn't be able to do anything,
except possibly start playing nice.



Whatever the reason, they *know* that the GOPe hates Conservatives,
and their job is to lie to Conservatives about that. Having a job that
requires you to lie all day is not good for your mental health.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 06, 2015 09:27 AM (kff5f)


True enough, and to word it a little differently. I'm sure our so-called conservative punditry is on Team Republican all the way, so even when they disagree, they take the same tack as a lot of commenters here: namely, shut up about our side, we're trying to find the veto-proof majority (a mythical creature, much like the female orgasm).

Posted by: BurtTC at July 06, 2015 09:32 AM (TOk1P)

213 *arches an eyebrow at Sean*

Cream? Are you sure?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 09:32 AM (XwF+S)


Mmmmmm hmmmm

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 06, 2015 09:33 AM (MPIX5)

214 You want to do something? Clean house in your local elementary school. Fight your way onto the school board and stop the Communist idiocy that is destroying children. If you won't fight for them - who will?

The Democrats are professional politicians and study all the rules to bend them to their favor. We need to do the same.

Posted by: An Observation at July 06, 2015 09:33 AM (KFIQL)

215 148 "But Daddy, why did the evil Republicans destroy the Early Morning Thread?

I couldn't respond. All I could do was sob uncontrollably and let her comfort me.



Heh - Good one!

Posted by: Ruth at July 06, 2015 09:36 AM (oo88B)

216 When you have to have a garage sale to come up with the money for your mortgage payment--you are bankrupt.

Greece is telling everyone they're going to have a garage sale . . . .

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 06, 2015 09:37 AM (ZvKdv)

217 I couldn't respond. All I could do was sob uncontrollably and let her comfort me.


Only in Saigon

Posted by: Random Post mixer at July 06, 2015 09:39 AM (1SHv1)

218 Only in America:

the hebes hired the beaners to protest the fags.

(ethnic slurs added cause that makes it more amusing. I regret in advance if those words cause anyone to be upset. I regret also that they may have caused you any pain or anguish. I'm a bad, bad boy and should be horsewhipped for my evil words. Please. Beat me baby, eight to the bar. Do it till I scream.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:39 AM (x3GpS)

219 I think the problem with a lot of the pundits is

that their bread is largely buttered by the GOP (which means the GOPe).


Yes, but I think that's backwards thinking on their part.

Perhaps the problem is that our pundits believe they're empowered by the pols and not by the public that is their audience.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 09:39 AM (oVJmc)

220 When you have to have a garage sale to come up with the money for your mortgage payment--you are bankrupt.

"Sometimes you have to wreck the truck to get the insurance money to make the truck payment." -- Larry the Cable Guy

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 06, 2015 09:40 AM (659DL)

221 Most "Pundits" are in love with their own voices.

They also believe their PR agents.

And most of them are 3-4 times removed from reality and manage to get it right only by accident.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:41 AM (x3GpS)

222
Only in America:


Remember when the Unions hired protestors to demand a higher minimum wage, and paid them a pittance?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 09:41 AM (oVJmc)

223 214 You want to do something? Clean house in your local elementary school. Fight your way onto the school board and stop the Communist idiocy that is destroying children. If you won't fight for them - who will?

The Democrats are professional politicians and study all the rules to bend them to their favor. We need to do the same.

AMEN!!!!!

Posted by: Ruth at July 06, 2015 09:41 AM (oo88B)

224 Important point for reference in this Euro mess: the EU, the euro, NATO, the customs and passport treaty, etc all refer to different groupings of countries.

There was a great youtube that illustrated this, which I can't find right now.

Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2015 09:41 AM (ztOda)

225 I explored bankruptcy. but it turned out I was too broke to go bankrupt.

Seriously. They had just changed the rules and made it more expensive, took more time and excluded a lot of things that made it difficult for me to file.

Thanks Congress for looking out for me and not the Credit Card Companies.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:43 AM (x3GpS)

226
haven't we tried that 3 times in a row and lost. Winnable moderates do not win.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 06, 2015 09:11 AM (GpgJl)








The problem with electable GOPe moderates is that they pay more attention to their 10% left-leaning views than the 90% conservative, which they largely ignore.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 06, 2015 09:43 AM (RWZqW)

227 Economist from France making the point that Germany wouldn't be where it is right now if it's debt hadn't been restructured and some of it forgiven after WWII.
------
So get off your high horse, you former Nazis, and give free stuff to the Greeks!

Posted by: Barack Obama at July 06, 2015 09:45 AM (QNcbF)

228 Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2015 09:41 AM (ztOda)

And everyone of them relies on the USA to pick up the military tab while being robbed of markets and trade.

Funny that.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:45 AM (x3GpS)

229
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:39 AM (x3GpS)







Tell the truth. You don't come here for the hunting, do you?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 06, 2015 09:46 AM (RWZqW)

230 Also, Germany had a wall and all the commier freeloaders were one one side of the wall. That freed the other side up to get rich on hard eork.

Just sayin...

Posted by: @votermom at July 06, 2015 09:46 AM (cbfNE)

231 Posted by: Barack Obama at July 06, 2015 09:45 AM (QNcbF)

Well it wasn't quite like that. His point was that the Germans were acting all pious and pissy about the Greeks and were conveniently forgetting that the Germans were allowed flexibility in restructuring their debt which is why they were able to dig themselves out of the hole they dug during WWII. (yes hard work was necessary also)

He and the Germans also fail to note that they would not be where they are today if not for the largesse and the military might of the US. Or they would be a satellite of the USSR and living in poverty.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:49 AM (x3GpS)

232 Economist from France making the point that Germany wouldn't be where it is right now if it's debt hadn't been restructured and some of it forgiven after WWII.

Economists from France are missing the fact that Germany repaid their remaining debt.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 06, 2015 09:49 AM (fwARV)

233 The problem with electable GOPe moderates is that they pay more attention to their 10% left-leaning views than the 90% conservative, which they largely ignore.

No, the problem is that they get put on the defensive by a media that is more than willing to paint them as George Wallace + Jerry Falwell + Archie Bunker. Go on the offense this time and set out three conservative principles and STICK WITH THEM and above all don't apologize for them.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 06, 2015 09:49 AM (659DL)

234 >>Economist from France making the point that Germany wouldn't be where it is right now if it's debt hadn't been restructured and some of it forgiven after WWII.

All this talk of Germany - I'm honestly more concerned about the post wwi attempt to inflate currency to get rid of debt scenario happening in the US.

Greece can't do that if they're on the Euro, of course.

Posted by: Lea at July 06, 2015 09:51 AM (lIU4e)

235 Hunting? What's to hunt.

Don't agree with what I say, just ignore me. That's what I do.

Works every time.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:51 AM (x3GpS)

236 Economist from France making the point that Germany wouldn't be where it is right now if it's debt hadn't been restructured and some of it forgiven after WWII.

Economists from France are missing the fact that Germany repaid their remaining debt


Why do I suspect the Germans repaid theirs before the French did?

Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2015 09:54 AM (ztOda)

237 Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 06, 2015 09:49 AM (fwARV)

Actually, his point was that they hadn't.

I'm not personally knowledgeable about the ins and outs of how that all worked. Just pointing out that the Germans were being told to quit acting like their pure as snow and never ever ever needed any help ever with their debt.

Sort of like people who look down on someone who can't make their mortgage payment and default meanwhile because they can afford it, they're going into bankruptcy and getting a clean slate.

There's no one more pious than a reformed sinner.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:55 AM (x3GpS)

238 So why shouldn't conservatives despair when their "leaders" are feckless and this country is far different from what it was even 20 years ago?

Don't think of it as burying the greatest nation on earth. Think of it as the opening stages of planning the next one.

That's what keeps me sane. This too shall pass. And if all else fails, well, this world isn't all we have, is it?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 06, 2015 09:58 AM (2l5vw)

239 There's no one more pious than a reformed sinner.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 06, 2015 09:55 AM (x3GpS)

Germany made their last debt payment in 2010.

http://tinyurl.com/255oxzb

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 06, 2015 09:59 AM (fwARV)

240 Unless we're talking about WWII and not WWI, in which case, belay my last.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 06, 2015 09:59 AM (fwARV)

241 Wow, I just read a positive story on Scott Walker's wife on MSN. Hell hath frozen over.

Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 10:03 AM (MYCIw)

242 In terms of WWII, the London Agreement of 1953 forgave 50% of Germany's debt.

For reference, the German war debt was 26% of their GDP. Greece's debt is 176% of their GDP even after multiple bailouts.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 06, 2015 10:03 AM (fwARV)

243 Who knew Hillary like using ropes? I always figured Bill for a rope kind of guy.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 06, 2015 10:04 AM (kQBSd)

244 This too shall pass. And if all else fails, well, this world isn't all we have, is it?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 06, 2015 09:58 AM (2l5vw)
----------------------
Yes it is.

Posted by: Richard Dawkins at July 06, 2015 10:05 AM (QNcbF)

245 Hilary has to use ropes, with Bill they are voluntary

Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2015 10:06 AM (ztOda)

246 I guess the answer is to have a GOP candidate espouse all the progressive platitudes, feign sincerity like Bill Clinton, get him/her elected, and expect them to fcuk everyone over that voted for him/her in the general election by implementing a constitutionally conservative agenda. Is that about right?

Posted by: hadoop at July 06, 2015 10:24 AM (2X7pN)

247 Yes it is.

Posted by: Richard Dawkins


Well, you maybe.

Seriously, I wonder if that's why the Left goes all overboard--this world is all they have, so they're all in on having there way here, while those of us on board for something after...well, we knew this world wasn't the point, right?

Yeah, I know some of the Horde aren't on board with the religion thing, but it does seem explanatory.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 06, 2015 10:44 AM (2l5vw)

248 According to one of their artists, the publishers of Dungeons and Dragons no longer want white men depicted in the game.

http://tinyurl.com/pqojhsm

Posted by: what the at July 06, 2015 03:13 PM (mOEk5)

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