December 19, 2004

** I was studying Computer Science, hence the "technically". Still, it's better than Sociology...
Posted by: Pixy Misa at 11:44 PM | Comments (18) | Add Comment | Trackbacks (Suck)
Posted by: Susie at December 20, 2004 01:21 AM (3nS88)
Posted by: Dean Esmay at December 20, 2004 09:05 AM (LOj+R)
Pixy, I think we are on a similar wavelength. I spent the first 3 weeks after September 11th, 2001 debunking Nostradamus rumors (and other similar pass-arounds).
Cheers!
Posted by: Kathy K at December 20, 2004 09:06 AM (fGtFB)
I resemble that remark!
Seriously, sociology is a fairly mature field of study. The forces at play in human interaction are relatively well understood (keep in mind that sociology is a totally different field from psychology, which does involve a lot of mumbo-jumbo revolving around sheer speculation as to what takes place inside the human brain).
"Hard" science, on the other hand, can't even tell us what matter is fundamentally composed of! New, previously unknown sub-atomic particles of indeterminate function are discovered all the time, and we have string theorists running around telling us that the universe really has somewhere around 8 to 12 dimensions (they're not too sure about the number).
I'm not anti-hard science, but I think it is a critical mistake to think that social science is all frivolous silliness. The technologies that humankind is now developing will be so powerful that they may well lead to our extinction - unless we make a conscious, serious investment in learning how best to control them and use them wisely.
Posted by: MikeR at December 22, 2004 04:47 AM (h8FAf)
Posted by: Rossz at December 22, 2004 06:19 AM (NEjeN)
Sort of. But they have a couple of points strongly in their favour: first, they know what they don't know; second, they have a theoretical and experimental strategy for finding out. Not that an answer is guaranteed or anything; the Universe doesn't come with an Owner's Manual.
I'm not anti-hard science, but I think it is a critical mistake to think that social science is all frivolous silliness.
I don't think that, but it does seem that Sociology (and Pschology too) is too susceptible to fashionable nonsense and cargo-cultism (that is, papers and "theories" that use all the terminology of Sociology without actually saying anything). I would expect that a serious Sociologist would view this sort of thing with every bit as much antipathy as Marc Miyake views Chomsky's Universal Grammar, as a hijacking of what should be a respectable field of research.
The technologies that humankind is now developing will be so powerful that they may well lead to our extinction - unless we make a conscious, serious investment in learning how best to control them and use them wisely.
Fire, the wheel, the inclined plane, and now this so-called lever! This mad rush to embrace poorly understood technology will be the end of us!
Posted by: Pixy Misa at December 22, 2004 09:47 AM (uOsif)
Not that I'm trying to tell you what to think or post.
Posted by: Squidley at December 23, 2004 02:35 AM (06/Rc)

Posted by: Pixy Misa at December 23, 2004 09:23 AM (uOsif)
Posted by: wanderer at December 25, 2004 10:50 AM (3ULfT)
Posted by: Pixy Misa at December 26, 2004 10:19 PM (+S1Ft)

yes I have seen self-important nonsense and frauds. But that is more a description of human nature than of mysticism. Those types occur in every strata of human affairs.
Mysticism is about the mysteries of life and the mechanisms needed to understand them. Both sides of that coin provide ample opportunity for someone to fool someone else and ask for money in return.
Posted by: wanderer at December 28, 2004 02:46 PM (3ULfT)
Mysticism is about the mysteries of life and the mechanisms needed to understand them.
No it isn't. That's Science.
Mysticism is about making up answers that sound nice but don't mean anything.
Science works. Mysticism doesn't.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at December 28, 2004 03:55 PM (+S1Ft)

Actual accepted knowledge and the progress of the experimental method. In those terms, Mysticism is the part that allows for greater creativity and an ethical egress into the next unknown area.
Posted by: wanderer at December 29, 2004 04:21 PM (3ULfT)
The Mysticism? Foolish, no question.
The transfer of knowledge I'm fine with.
A student of mysticism would experiment and prove the qualites of the mind to oneself.
How? Exactly?
My intition says 10 is an important number here.
My inductive reasoning, seated in decades of observations and scientific study, says you're a fruitbat.
In those terms, Mysticism is the part that allows for greater creativity and an ethical egress into the next unknown area.
In other words, make stuff up and pissing off before they catch on to you.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at December 29, 2004 10:17 PM (+S1Ft)
Harmonics is probably a tool widely used in Mysticism to establish a correspondence between phenomena.
Projection is another. But from there we get into stuff that doesn't really mean anything to skeptics.
One of the ideas advocated by mystics is that it is the science of religion or the faith of reason. It exists between the two, but used to be solely based in religion before the Dark Ages. Classical thinkers are drawn on a lot as to show the progression of the ideas of man from Eygpt, thru Greece, the far east, and the Renaissance.
The idea of thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis in its essence is a primary foundation of practical mysticism.
In more mundane terms something a mystic might study. Opening a fortune cookie, does it reveal a pre destined event or does ones mind grow to fit the fortune as a form of suggestion? We mystic students order take out a lot.
On the more looney side. If you are cloud watching and a cloud moves as you thought it would. Did your mind move the cloud or did the cloud move your mind?
Mysticism would say that there is an intelligent source behind both. And both of the previous paragraphs can be harmonically corresponded for things to think about.
Mystics that I know have this deadly little gem that it can only be known by practice not by observation.
The ethical egress above I see is a vague statement based on how you interpeted it. What I meant(I Think

Posted by: wanderer at January 05, 2005 01:43 PM (3ULfT)
well I have forgotten it now.
I was vague on ethical egress above. What I meant is that at the point of scientific gnosis when applying the SCi Method, there is a brief moment where a scientist makes an ethical decision about the baby. The decision sets the stage for the next synthesis of experimentation of ideas.
Mysticism would include the Scientific method as a tool, but it wouldn't say that it is the whole story. It would say though that the tool lets one measure the truth or falsehood of results.
Maybe your interpetation of it is called curiosity.
Posted by: wanderer at January 08, 2005 03:50 PM (3ULfT)
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