May 27, 2005
All I Want For Christmas
Is
one of these puppies. 8 64-bit MIPS cores, 32-way multithreaded (4 per core), two 64-bit DDR2-800 memory controllers
and a 32-bit QDR SRAM controller, four gigabit ethernet ports and two
ten-gigabit ethernet ports, HyperTransport and PCI-X.
Even better, rip out the PCI-X and replace it with twenty channels of PCI-E, which would be a huge improvement. Drop Linux or BSD on it and it will power a thousand websites without even breathing hard.
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Are you excited about Cell?
There seems to be near-religious fervor among some people.
Posted by: TallDave at May 28, 2005 04:54 AM (9XE6n)
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If you just placed a Paypal (or Amazon Honor System) button on your site, I bet that we, your Munuvian minions, could pitch in and help make sure you had enough to get one by Christmas...
Posted by: JohnL at May 28, 2005 07:25 AM (Hs4rn)
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The Cell looks great - for playing games. Hmm. And rendering video, I guess. It's really designed for that and nothing else. Its general-purpose computing power is no better than my current PC(s), and it's not so hot for double-precision floating point, so it's only good for scientific tasks rather than astonishing.
Now, what would really kick ass is an IBM Power5 (the next generation chip beyond Apple's G5) hooked up to a Cell. Software compatible, of course, since they're both PowerPCs. Dual-core dual-threaded eight-way superscalar processors for everyday work, and the Cell's eight SPE's for games. Zoom zoom!
JohnL - thanks.

But I don't think we're going to see this chip in a system I could actually use. It's really designed for high-speed network routers.
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May 26, 2005
I Was Just Wondering
Why
doesn't "La Belle Dame Sans Merci" translate as "The beautiful woman who never says thankyou"?
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Why Do They Hate Us Three?
While I've been busy slapping down American journalists and academics,
Gregory Djerejian has been doing the same to European diplomats, who are, if anything, worse:
As older societies, we tend to think of ourselves as more experienced in the way societies evolve, and we tend to be skeptical of Americans who seem to think that if you believe hard enough, and you muster enough resources, you can change the world.
Wolfgang Ischinger, German Ambassador to the United States there. Thank you Ambassador Ischinger. We well remember your country's last two attempts to change the world.
more...
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Whew! Remind me not to tick you off!

Posted by: Susie at May 27, 2005 12:54 AM (V1YvO)
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See, this is the stuff we all know but our namby-pamby diplomats won't say.
Maybe Bolton will have the cojones to tell it like it is.
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Why Do They Hate Us Too?
In
Historians vs. George W. Bush, Robert S. McElvaine examines the extreme and systematic liberal bias of historians, presenting gems like this analaysis of the President:
He is blatantly a puppet for corporate interests, who care only about their own greed and have no sense of civic responsibility or community service. He lies, constantly and often, seemingly without control, and he lied about his invasion into a sovereign country, again for corporate interests; many people have died and been maimed, and that has been lied about too. He grandstands and mugs in a shameful manner, befitting a snake oil salesman, not a statesman. He does not think, process, or speak well, and is emotionally immature due to, among other things, his lack of recovery from substance abuse. The term is "dry drunk". He is an abject embarrassment/pariah overseas; the rest of the world hates him . . . . . He is, by far, the most irresponsible, unethical, inexcusable occupant of our formerly highest office in the land that there has ever been.
It's the same stuff we see every day from the fever swamp, completely at odds with the facts, hopelessly emotional, personally abusive, but in this case it's presented as an academic analysis of the present administration.
The thing is, after spending several paragraphs showing us just how sadly deranged his colleagues are and thereby earning our respect, McElvaine suddenly veers leftward into the swamp with his own assessment of the Bush Administration. He suggests that Bush:
Presided over the loss of approximately three million American jobs in his first two-and-a-half years in office, the worst record since Herbert Hoover.
Collapse of the dot-com bubble? September 11? What about the other nearly two years of his administration? No, let's pick the period that makes him look the worst, ignore any other factors, and present that as a statement of fact. We are, after all, Historians.
Overseen an economy in which the stock market suffered its worst decline in the first two years of any administration since Hoover’s.
Right, bucko. Take a look at this:

The Dot-Com bubble. Artificial inflation of high-tech stock prices (Alan Greenspan's "irrational exuberance") added trillions of dollars to the stock market during the Clinton administration. When the bubble burst, it wiped $4 trillion off the market. The September 11 attack sank the market by another trillion. How President Bush can be held responsible for either of these is frankly beyond me, but then, I'm not a Historian.
Taken, in the wake of the terrorist attacks two years ago, the greatest worldwide outpouring of goodwill the United States has enjoyed at least since World War II
Which lasted all of what, five minutes?
and squandered it by insisting on pursuing a foolish go-it-almost-alone invasion of Iraq
I love that phrase, "a foolish go-it-almost-alone invasion".
thereby transforming almost universal support for the United States into worldwide condemnation.
The coalition of the unbribed freed the people Iraq from a murderous thug and gave them a chance for self-determination. That matters to me, but then, I'm not a Historian.
Misled (to use the most charitable word and interpretation)
Most charitable?
the American public about weapons of mass destruction and supposed ties to Al Qaeda in Iraq
Cite.
and so into a war that has plainly (and entirely predictably) made us less secure
How has it made us less secure, exactly?
I'm waiting.
caused a boom in the recruitment of terrorists
Who were previously known as
the government.is killing American military personnel needlessly
Twenty-five million Iraqis beg to differ, but then, they are not Historians.
and is threatening to suck up all our available military forces and be a bottomless pit for the money of American taxpayers for years to come.
Well, America could bring home the troops currently stationed in Europe and South Korea, where they are apparently not wanted. I mean, they've been there for
years.
And you know, Iraq might not be sucking up all available military forces if President Clinton hadn't gutted them in the first place. This thought occured to me, but then I'm not a Historian.
Failed to follow through in Afghanistan, where the Taliban and Al Qaeda are regrouping, once more increasing the threat to our people.
Hey, there is a certain small kernel of validity to this one! We are still in Afghanistan, still fighting the Taliban, most certainly still hunting down and eliminating Al Qaeda, but we could be doing more to aid the reconstruction there.
Insulted and ridiculed other nations and international organizations and now has to go, hat in hand, to those nations and organizations begging for their assistance.
Eh?
You wouldn't care to produce an example of this, by any chance? I like to see specifics rather than sweeping claims, but then, I'm not a Historian.
Completely miscalculated or failed to plan for the personnel and monetary needs in Iraq after the war
It's a war, bucko. You don't know how a war is going to go until it's gone, because you have an
enemy who is trying to
stop you.
so that he sought and obtained an $87 billion appropriation for Iraq, a sizable chunk of which is going, without competitive bidding to Haliburton, the company formerly headed by his vice president.
Halliburton!
Now,
I know the reasons and origins of the Halliburton contract - which dates to the Clinton administration - and would never resort to misleading my audience that way. But then, I'm not a Historian.
Inherited an annual federal budget surplus of $230 billion and transformed it into a $500+ billion deficit in less than three years. This negative turnaround of three-quarters of a trillion dollars is totally without precedent in our history. The ballooning deficit for fiscal 2004 is rapidly approaching twice the dollar size of the previous record deficit, $290 billion, set in 1992, the last year of the administration of President Bush’s father and, at almost 5 percent of GDP, is closing in on the percentage record set by Ronald Reagan in 1986.
Another kernel of validity. There are good reasons for the deficit, but the budget does need to be cut to bring it into line with the tax cuts. Me, I'd start with farm subsidies.
Whack. Cut taxes three times, sharply reducing the burden on the rich
Again, the claim that the tax cuts only benefited the rich.
reclassified money obtained through stock ownership as more deserving than money earned through work.
Is there any reason why capital gains should be taxed at the same rate as other income? Because the nature of capital gains is completely different to, for example, a Historian's salary.
Severely curtailed the very American freedoms that our military people are supposed to be fighting to defend.
Exactly what are these freedoms that the Patriot Act has curtailed?
Called upon American armed service people, including Reserve forces, to sacrifice for ever-lengthening tours of duty in a hostile and dangerous environment while he rewards the rich at home with lower taxes and legislative giveaways and gives lucrative no-bid contracts to American corporations linked with the administration.
First, if you are in the armed service, including the Reserve and the National Guard, you are there to serve. It's not a free-education and world-tour club.
Second, we freed fifty million people from tyranny. When did that last happen without sacrifice, Mr Historian?
Third, your points on taxes and Halliburton have already been made and refuted. You don't get to run them up the field again.
Given an opportunity to begin to change the consumption-oriented values of the nation after September 11, 2001, when people were prepared to make a sacrifice for the common good, called instead of Americans to ‘sacrifice’ by going out and buying things.
The values of the nation are the values of the
nation, not the values of the President, or the values of a Historian. And America, like it or not, was founded and has thrived for nearly two hundred and thirty years on capitalism, on your "consumption-oriented values".
Proclaimed himself to be a conservative while maintaining that big government should be able to run roughshod over the Bill of Rights
Which has not happened.
and that the government must have all sorts of secrets from the people
As has every government in history, something one might expect a Historian to know.
but the people can be allowed no privacy from the government.
Eh? What privacy of yours has been infringed, Mr Historian?
And here's McElvaine's parting gift:
Some voters may judge such assessments to be wrong, but they are assessments informed by historical knowledge and the electorate ought to have them available to take into consideration during this election year.
Informed by historical knowledge? That certainly doesn't show.
But they are most certainly untroubled by any knowledge of economics or the conduct of war, by any care for human rights, or any concern for hewing to the truth.
An F for you, Mr McElvaine. A B+ for President Bush.
(Via
Instapundit)
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I am always delighted to learn that I am considered "the rich"--but then, I suspect everyone in America, even the poorest, are rich when compared to many other nations. There are probably a few families in the hills of Appalachia that have outdoor plumbing, but I bet they are still better off than a lot of the world...
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Another classic fisking. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: TallDave at May 27, 2005 05:32 AM (9XE6n)
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Enjoyable read. I thank the Physics Geek for directing me here. Into my favorites folder you go...
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Why Do They Hate Us?
Editor and Publisher
asks the question. But they're not so sure what to do with the answers.
As in most previous surveys of journalists, a high number called themselves politically "moderate" (49%), with 31% describing themselves as "liberal" and just 9% as "conservative."
Even if those labels were accurate, that's massively skewed compared to the public. What one might ask is, how many of those self-described moderates voted Democrat, and how many Republican? As Hugh Hewitt found, they are strangely reluctant to answer.
Forty-eight percent of the public but only 11% of journalists said news organizations were "often inaccurate." When serious mistakes are made, 74% of the journalists said news organizations quickly report the error, but only 30% of the public said they do. In the public, 24% said news organizations try to ignore errors and 41% said they try to cover them up.
"That was the most surprising thing, the public perception that journalists don't correct errors," Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the Annenberg Center, told E&P. "We focused on the serious errors and you have journalists believing they correct them. You'd like to know what the truth is."
Yes, we'd like to know what the truth is. But we don't trust you to tell us. Two-thirds of the public thinks that news organizations ignore or cover-up their errors; three-quarters of journalists believe that their errors are quickly corrected.
That's not a gap, that's a chasm. A yawning gulf:
"This study reveals a worrisome divide between the public's view of journalism and journalists' own views of their work," Geneva Overholser, a former Washington Post ombudsman and the author of a new book on the press, said in a statement. "If journalists do indeed believe that what they do is valuable, fair, and ethically sound, it's past time they began to put that case more effectively to the public."
In other words, if the public think we are worthless, unfair and unethical, they just need to be
educated. Shame about those circulation figures...
(Via
Roger L. Simon)
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If people would just do what their moral/intellectual superiors at newspapers and universities tell them to do, everything would be fine.
Instead, you people have to ruin everything with all that thinking for yourself. Shame on you.
Posted by: TallDave at May 26, 2005 01:40 PM (H8Wgl)
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Speaking of universities, I just had a whack at them as well.

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May 25, 2005
Now Can We Question Their Patriotism?
Newseek. International edition.
Not for domestic consumption:
The truth is that Americans are living in a dream world. Not only do others not share America's self-regard, they no longer aspire to emulate the country's social and economic achievements.
Well, yeah, we noticed that. Anti-Americanism goes hand-in-hand with social and economic dysfunction.
The loss of faith in the American Dream goes beyond this swaggering administration and its war in Iraq.
Fuck you too, Newsweek.
A President Kerry would have had to confront a similar disaffection, for it grows from the success of something America holds dear: the spread of democracy, free markets and international institutions—globalization, in a word.
Yes.
Democracy - bad! Free markets - bad! International institutions - well, if you're talking about QUANGOs - the U.N., the World Bank, IMF and suchlike, I'm inclined to grant you that one.
But there's a certain irony when Newsweek is saying
they hate us because of our freedom. About 8.5 on the Irony Richter Scale, I'd say.
Countries today have dozens of political, economic and social models to choose from.
Most of which have been proven not to work.
Anti-Americanism is especially virulent in Europe and Latin America, where countries have established their own distinctive ways—none made in America.
That is a bizarrely twisted statement.
America didn't invent democracy or free markets, though it did give them some unprecedented guarantees in its Constitution. Since the year that document was signed, France has changed its form of government - not just the ruler or leader, but the very nature of the government itself - twelve times.
The made-in-America product seems to be somewhat more reliable than what many European countries have managed, with the exception perhaps of Britain. I won't even mention Latin America.
Futurologist Jeremy Rifkin, in his recent book "The European Dream," hails an emerging European Union based on generous social welfare, cultural diversity and respect for international law—a model that's caught on quickly across the former nations of Eastern Europe and the Baltics.
Along with high taxes, high unemployment, low economic growth,
negative population growth.
In Asia, the rise of autocratic capitalism in China or Singapore is as much a "model" for development as America's scandal-ridden corporate culture.
Yes, who needs civil rights?
Much in American law and society troubles the world these days. Nearly all countries reject the United States' right to bear arms as a quirky and dangerous anachronism.
Sadly, this includes my beloved Australia, which is in alignment with the freedoms America espouses in almost every other respect.
They abhor the death penalty and demand broader privacy protections.
The death penalty is not, I would think, a key part of the American dream. Hang the bastard, electrocute him, let him sit in jail until he rots - whatever.
Above all, once most foreign systems reach a reasonable level of affluence, they follow the Europeans in treating the provision of adequate social welfare is a basic right.
And that is the problem.
Adequate social welfare is not a basic right. This is where the UN Declaration on Human Rights also goes off the rails. You guarantee adequate social welfare by taking money from someone and giving it to someone else. That's not a right, that's redistribution.
A right is something that someone has unless you forcibly take it away. Freedom of speech. Freedom of assembly. Freedom of religion. The right to own property. The right to bear arms. You can't
give any of those to someone, because you're born with them.
Welfare payments aren't something that every human is born with; they aren't in any way a right. That doesn't mean they're wrong, or a bad idea, though poorly planned they can (and do) lead to economic disaster. They can be analysed as an investment, as insurance, as a maintenance cost, but they are
not a right.
All this, says Bruce Ackerman at Yale University Law School, contributes to the growing sense that American law, once the world standard, has become "provincial."
And a growing sense that the rest of the world is nuts.
The United States' refusal to apply the Geneva Conventions to certain terrorist suspects
The Geneva Conventions specifically state that they do not apply to terrorists. That whole bit about illegal combatants? Straight out of the Geneva Convention. Read Bill Whittle's essay,
Sanctuary for an explanation of what the Geneva Convention is designed to protect.
to ratify global human-rights treaties such as the innocuous Convention on the Rights of the Child
I haven't read that, I must admit. Hang on while I do.
Right, as I thought. Article 17, state interference in the media. Article 26, conflation of human rights and socialism. Article 27, ditto. Article 28, more of the same. Article 29, wank. Articles 43-45, interfering busybodies. Not bad compared to the Declaration on Human Rights, but ample reason not to ratify - unless you don't intend to uphold the Convention in the first place.
or to endorse the International Criminal Court
That one has been amply dealt with elsewhere.
(coupled with the abuses at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo)
Yadda yadda.
only reinforces the conviction that America's Constitution and legal system are out of step with the rest of the world.
Damn straight, and a good thing too.
The American Dream has always been chiefly economic—a dynamic ideal of free enterprise, free markets and individual opportunity based on merit and mobility.
Not as much as it should have been, but essentially true, and even more so in the past three decades.
Certainly the U.S. economy has been extraordinarily productive.
Oh, you noticed?
Yes, American per capita income remains among the world's highest.
The highest, among major states.
Yet these days there's as much economic dynamism in the newly industrializing economies of Asia, Latin America and even eastern Europe.
Two points:
First, it's a lot easier to double per-capita GDP from $1000 to $2000 than from $40,000 to $80,000.
Second, guess where a lot of the money for that economic growth is coming from? Guess who's buying all those cheap goodies from Chinese factories?
All are growing faster than the United States. At current trends, the Chinese economy will be bigger than America's by 2040.
About bleeding time, given that it has four times the population.
Whether those trends will continue is not so much the question.
Why the hell not?
You are assuming that since China's economy (for example) grew by 9.1% in 2004, that it will sustain that growth rate for another 35 years. Well that's one hell of an assumption.
Better to ask whether the American way is so superior that everyone else should imitate it. And the answer to that, increasingly, is no.
Is it, then?
Much has made, for instance, of the differences between the dynamic American model and the purportedly sluggish and overregulated "European model."
So it has, and the widening gap in standards of living highlights this. Indeed,
Australia now has a higher per-capita GDP than any of the major European states.
Ongoing efforts at European labor-market reform and fiscal cuts are ridiculed.
Rightly so, because they are going nowhere.
Why can't these countries be more like Britain, businessmen ask, without the high tax burden, state regulation and restrictions on management that plague Continental economies? Sooner or later, the [conventional wisdom] goes, Europeans will adopt the American model—or perish.
Sadly, true.
Yet this is a myth.
No it's not.
For much of the postwar period Europe and Japan enjoyed higher growth rates than America.
Yeah, big surprise. Postwar Europe and Japan were economic basket cases, utterly destroyed by five years of insanity. And the reconstruction was extensively funded by - guess who?
Airbus recently overtook Boeing in sales of commercial aircraft, and the EU recently surpassed America as China's top trading partner.
Yes. So?
This year's ranking of the world's most competitive economies by the World Economic Forum awarded five of the top 10 slots—including No. 1 Finland—to northern European social democracies.
On what criteria, pray tell?
Lorenzo Codogno, co-head of European economics at the Bank of America, believes the British, like Europeans elsewhere, "will try their own way to achieve a proper balance."
A proper balance is not a problem. Seeing social welfare as a fundamental right
is a problem.
Certainly they would never put up with the lack of social protections afforded in the American system.
What lack of social protections? Exactly?
Europeans are aware that their systems provide better primary education, more job security and a more generous social net.
Better primary education is questionable. More job security is only accurate in that once a company has hired someone, it is almost impossible to get rid of them. That makes companies reluctant to hire, and
that leads to unemployment. Have you looked at European unemployment figures lately?
They are willing to pay higher taxes and submit to regulation in order to bolster their quality of life.
They do not seem to be getting a very good return on their investment.
Productivity throughout Europe, measured in per-capita GDP, is significantly lower than in America and growing more slowly. That means that no matter how you redistribute the pie, no matter where you decide is the proper balance, there's less pie to hand around.
Americans work far longer hours than Europeans do, for instance.
True
But they are not necessarily more productive
Per capita, or per hour? Per capita, they clearly are far more productive. The statistics are perfectly clear; America's per-capita GDP is one-third or more higher than any of the major European nations.
—nor happier
Says who?
buried as they are in household debt
Compared to?
without the time (or money)
They have
more money than the Europeans, dumbass. We've already established that.
available to Europeans for vacation
Yes. Europeans can take their summer holidays - while the elderly die in their thousands because
they don't have air conditioning. But hey, they chose their proper balance.
and international travel.
For most Europeans, that's a two-hour drive.
George Monbiot, a British public intellectual, speaks for many when he says, "The American model has become an American nightmare rather than an American dream."
Another piercing insight there from Monbiot.
Just look at booming bri-tain.
I'm so glad Newsweek has editors.
Instead of cutting social welfare, Tony Blair's Labour government has expanded it. According to London's Centre for Policy Studies, public spending in Britain represented 43 percent of GDP in 2003, a figure closer to the Eurozone average than to the American share of 35 percent. It's still on the rise—some 10 percent annually over the past three years
Holy crap.
—at the same time that social welfare is being reformed to deliver services more efficiently.
And guess what? Britain's economy has consistently achieved lower growth than America's. Britain's per-capita GDP is only three-quarters of America's, and the gap is growing.
Because taking people's pie away and shuffling it about
doesn't create any more pie.
America is about making pie.
Europe is about cutting the pie into ever-finer slices, and deciding who gets what based on an increasingly arbitrary set of rules.
The inspiration, says Giddens, comes not from America, but from social-democratic Sweden, where universal child care, education and health care have been proved to increase social mobility, opportunity and, ultimately, economic productivity.
Per-capita GDP of Sweden is 30% lower than America, and growing more slowly.
In the United States, inequality once seemed tolerable because America was the land of equal opportunity. But this is no longer so. Two decades ago, a U.S. CEO earned 39 times the average worker; today he pulls in 1,000 times as much.
Two decades ago, the restructuring of U.S. industry was just beginning, and a CEO still had little to do and little at risk. That's changed.
Since then, the rich have been getting richer, and the poor have been getting... richer too. The rich have been getting richer faster than the poor have, but I'm not at all convinced that that is a problem.
Cross-national studies show that America has recently become a relatively difficult country for poorer people to get ahead. Monbiot summarizes the scientific data: "In Sweden, you are three times more likely to rise out of the economic class into which you were born than you are in the U.S."
Two points here. Maybe three.
First, poverty in the U.S. is something that most countries in the world even today would not recognise as anything of the sort.
Second, Sweden has economic classes? Isn't that illegal or something.
Third, no-one ever said it should be easy to "rise out of the economic class into which you were born". It's a bit of a mouthful, anyway. What's immportant is that everyone has the opportunity, that there are no artificial barriers put in the way.
I can't take any more of this. It just goes on and on in the same noxious, factually-challenged way.
You want to know why people don't like America? I suggest that Newsweek has something to do with it.
Oh, one last quote. Unfortunately, the only appropriate response to this bit is strange choking noises:
When the soviets withdrew from Central Europe, U.S. constitutional experts rushed in. They got a polite hearing, and were sent home. Jiri Pehe, adviser to former president Vaclav Havel, recalls the Czechs' firm decision to adopt a European-style parliamentary system with strict limits on campaigning. "For Europeans, money talks too much in American democracy. It's very prone to certain kinds of corruption, or at least influence from powerful lobbies," he says. "Europeans would not want to follow that route."
Glrrk. Rrrrrgh. Glfffk.
(Via
The Anchoress)
Update:
Tuning Spork takes up the sledgehammer and gives Newsweek a few more whacks. One point he raises is interesting; he says
The truth is that Americans are living in a dream world.
It's called "the future", thank you.
This is something I considered but forgot to raise myself. The American Dream (and the Australian Dream likewise) is fundamentally different from the European Dream. The American Dream is a
goal, it is something that Americans think can be accomplished through determination and hard work. It is, as Spork says, the future. The European Dream on the other hand is a substitute for reality, a projection of lost glory; it is the past. France is probably the most notorious and noxious example of this, but the European Dream is widespread and pernicious.
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Awesome fisking, dear Pixy!
Posted by: Susie at May 26, 2005 02:37 AM (V1YvO)
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Great post, esp. this part:
Adequate social welfare is not a basic right. This is where the UN Declaration on Human Rights also goes off the rails. You guarantee adequate social welfare by taking money from someone and giving it to someone else. That's not a right, that's redistribution.
A right is something that someone has unless you forcibly take it away. Freedom of speech. Freedom of assembly. Freedom of religion. The right to own property. The right to bear arms. You can't give any of those to someone, because you're born with them.
Welfare payments aren't something that every human is born with; they aren't in any way a right. That doesn't mean they're wrong, or a bad idea, though poorly planned they can (and do) lead to economic disaster. They can be analysed as an investment, as insurance, as a maintenance cost, but they are not a right.
There's a debate going on now about whether people have positive rights (things the gov't must do for you) as well as negative rights (things the gov't cannot do to you).
The idea you have a right to someone else's money because they're wealthy and you're not is just ridiculous on its face, not to mention counterproductive to growing an economy and encouraging technological innovation -- the means by which the poorest have benefitted the most in the past 50 years.
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One other thing that tends to get ignored is that U.S. technological advance (enabled by our competitive business environment) eventually gets translated into productivity increases everywhere, which raises standards of living for everyone including "free riders" in Europe.
Posted by: TallDave at May 26, 2005 03:16 AM (9XE6n)
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Haha, this from the article:
In the 19th and 20th centuries, countries around the world copied the [US Constitution], not least in Latin America. So did Germany and Japan after World War II.
LOL yeah, that's one way to look at it.
Posted by: TallDave at May 26, 2005 03:21 AM (9XE6n)
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Susie sent me over here; great article.
Posted by: Patriot Xeno at May 26, 2005 04:31 AM (SXM2F)
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Whew! Blistering! Excellent smackdown!
I was going to comment on a highlight or two, but there are too many.
Posted by: Tuning Spork at May 26, 2005 12:04 PM (H8zUe)
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Woah! Just went to the article and saw that there's a lot that you left out in the fisking. I'm picking up the baton and will post in a bit.
Posted by: Tuning Spork at May 26, 2005 12:08 PM (H8zUe)
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Thanks Spork. Amazing the amount of bullshit they managed to shovel, isn't it?
Posted by: Pixy Misa at May 26, 2005 02:13 PM (AIaDY)
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Thanks, Pixy. Great fisking.
Posted by: JohnL at May 26, 2005 02:34 PM (gplif)
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Did people at Newsweek read this article (originally from New York Times) before they wrote their idiotic article?
http://homepage.mac.com/rmshultz/iblog/B1585135201/C1781142294/E1587100592/
Posted by: IR at May 27, 2005 07:45 AM (L0vfw)
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I'm wondering whether this sort of thing is normal for Newsweek (and other US-based media outlets that have a separate "not-for-domestic-consumption" version).
I've thought for a long time that quite a few anti-American ideas and images come, when you track them down to their source, from Americans, and stuff like this and the Newsweek-Japan cover showing the American flag as trash only tends to reinforce that conclusion.
Posted by: jaed at May 27, 2005 09:39 AM (Wz8D0)
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As W is quoted, "Build the pie higher."
Posted by: Mike Beversluis at May 28, 2005 03:49 PM (WoKYG)
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This article was great. Used it on my liberal classmates who, daily, tell me that Europe has "the right idea!" Boy, were they shocked. Never thought about how the government affords all that welfare and such, they did not.
Posted by: Andyuts Naraku at May 28, 2005 04:18 PM (lQXxh)
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IR - There was a discussion about that article at Vodkapundit, and a Norwegian girl came to defend her country. She made the point that although it might cost over $40 to have a pizza delivered, it was only $20 if you went and picked it up, and surely it wasn't cheaper in any other country. As for the paper-bag lunches, she suggested that surely eating out was considered a luxury in all countries.
In other words, she has absolutely no idea just how high the cost of living is in Norway. Their GDP is nearly the same as America, but the country's welfare structure cuts their real buying power in half - and that's being generous.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at May 28, 2005 05:26 PM (+S1Ft)
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The reason why such distorted, exaggerated and petty comments look so familiar, is because the Conservative Right in America too, continues to blame the damage resulting from the incompetence of the Bush administration on the Liberals, the media, the Muslims, etc.
But, the polls don't lie, because Americans are now hip to all Bush's lies. And, I will take issue with at least one of your distortions.
When the Newsweek writer claims '...the truth is Americans are living in a dream world', their point has nothing to do with the notion of the 'American Dream'.
Since 9/11, Americans have further isolated themselves from the rest of the world, choosing to believe the lies of this administration fed through a cowering media. And, they ignored much of the abuses of their own government, justified as the 'war on terrorism'.
And, calling this administration on it, is the purest form of patriotism.
Posted by: that colored fella at May 29, 2005 06:34 PM (IXyBV)
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Hi there, Mister Crazy Person!
The reason why blah blah blah damage resulting from blah blah
What damage?
Blah blah hip to all Bush's lies.
What lies?
Show me one. Just one lie. Go on.
But it has to be something he actually said. And it has to be a lie. A truth you don't like doesn't count. An opinion doesn't count. An error doesn't count.
You claim that Bush lied. SHOW ME.
And note: This is not a new challenge. It's been issued before. A number of people have taken it up. And no-one has ever been able to show that President Bush has lied about anything.
Since 9/11, Americans have further isolated themselves from the rest of the world, choosing to believe the lies of this administration fed through a cowering media.
First, anti-Americanism was a global industry long before this administration. President Clinton chose to play up to the anti-Americans. President Bush and his team told them to go fuck themselves.
France has never been a friend of America. Or of anyone else.
Second, what lies? Name one.
Third, "cowering media"? The same media that runs a 24x7 slime-the-administration rally? That media?
And, they ignored much of the abuses of their own government, justified as the 'war on terrorism'.
What abuses? Name them. What did they ignore? Abu Ghraib? That's had more press coverage than the entire rest of the liberation of Iraq put together.
And, calling this administration on it, is the purest form of patriotism.
It might be patriotic if any of it were true. But none of it is. Read what I have just said. READ IT. Nothing Newsweek says is factual. Some of it is uninformed opinion, some of it is just not true at all.
I'd be interested in seeing what it takes to get through to someone like you, because as far as I can see, nothing does.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at May 29, 2005 08:41 PM (+S1Ft)
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Nice work, Pixy. I linked your post here.
Posted by: GaijinBiker at May 30, 2005 02:05 PM (zydfd)
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Um, Mr. AmbientIrony: Your economic figures are wrong. You say Sweden's GDP per capita is 30 percent less than that of the U.S. In fact, the difference is 3 percent!!
U.S. GDP per capita is $39,638
Sweden GDP per capita $38,444
Ambient Irony repeatedly states that U.S. GDP per capita that is ``more than 30 percent higher than any European countries'' as evidence that its economic program is better than Europe's.
Now that we know that isn't true, will Ambient Irony admit that his analysis is wrong? Or will he simply change tack and say that GDP per capita doesn't matter as much as some other measures? Let's hope he's got the intellectual integrity to admit that the U.S. economy is roughly on par with Europe's in most objective measures of performance.
In the entire Eurozone, which includes laggards like Portugal and Greece, GDP per capita comes to $32,379, about 20 percent less than the U.S.
Will be interesting to see whether facts or ideology drive AmbientIrony's opinions...
Sweden's 2004 GDP $346 billion
source: Bloomberg
population: 9 million
source: Sweden statistics bureau
U.S. 2004 GDP $11.7 trillion
source: Bloomberg
population: 296 billion
source: http://www.census.gov/
Posted by: bunkerbuster at May 30, 2005 04:00 PM (HMqne)
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Bunkerbuster, I took my figures from the CIA World Factbook for 2005 (2004 economic data). Of course, Sweden doesn't have a GDP in US dollars; it has to be adjusted. There's clearly a significant difference between the CIA Factbook numbers and the Bloomberg numbers, but assuming that both used the same raw numbers, that just means that the adjustments are different.
The CIA Factbook has the following explanation for its GDP numbers:In the Economy category, GDP dollar estimates for all countries are derived from purchasing power parity (PPP) calculations rather than from conversions at official currency exchange rates. The PPP method involves the use of standardized international dollar price weights, which are applied to the quantities of final goods and services produced in a given economy. The data derived from the PPP method provide the best available starting point for comparisons of economic strength and well-being between countries. The division of a GDP estimate in domestic currency by the corresponding PPP estimate in dollars gives the PPP conversion rate. Whereas PPP estimates for OECD countries are quite reliable, PPP estimates for developing countries are often rough approximations. Most of the GDP estimates are based on extrapolation of PPP numbers published by the UN International Comparison Program (UNICP) and by Professors Robert Summers and Alan Heston of the University of Pennsylvania and their colleagues. In contrast, the currency exchange rate method involves a variety of international and domestic financial forces that often have little relation to domestic output. In developing countries with weak currencies the exchange rate estimate of GDP in dollars is typically one-fourth to one-half the PPP estimate. Furthermore, exchange rates may suddenly go up or down by 10% or more because of market forces or official fiat whereas real output has remained unchanged. On 12 January 1994, for example, the 14 countries of the African Financial Community (whose currencies are tied to the French franc) devalued their currencies by 50%. This move, of course, did not cut the real output of these countries by half. One important caution: the proportion of, say, defense expenditures as a percentage of GDP in local currency accounts may differ substantially from the proportion when GDP accounts are expressed in PPP terms, as, for example, when an observer tries to estimate the dollar level of Russian or Japanese military expenditures. Note: the numbers for GDP and other economic data cannot be chained together from successive volumes of the Factbook because of changes in the US dollar measuring rod, revisions of data by statistical agencies, use of new or different sources of information, and changes in national statistical methods and practices.If the Euro (or some other currency) rises against the US Dollar, that increases the naively converted GDP proportionally, but doesn't increase the actual production or productivity at all - though it does make goods imported from America cheaper. (And exports commensurately dearer - that's the double-edged sword of exchange rates. Either edge can cut your head off if you're not careful.)
I'd be interested in seeing a more detailed source of information, with both raw and adjusted figures, and details of exactly how the adjustments were applied.
Will be interesting to see whether facts or ideology drive AmbientIrony's opinions...
Sigh. You don't pay any attention at all, do you?
Posted by: Pixy Misa at May 30, 2005 04:22 PM (AIaDY)
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Even the PPP-adjusted figures show Norway in a dead heat with U.S. in terms of GDP per capita. Why did you omit that obvious fact from your analysis? Moreover, what about euro-wide figures? Apparently, you sought to mislead on that as well, by referring to growth only in "major European countries."
I'm the first to agree that comparing the economies of two countries or regions or systems isn't as simple as who has the biggest and fastest growing GDP. Nevertheless, how about a little more intellectual integrity? Instead of leaving out Norway and trimming the statistics up to suit your case, how about suiting your case to match the statistics?
Posted by: bunkerbuster at May 30, 2005 07:00 PM (oyo71)
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Even the PPP-adjusted figures show Norway in a dead heat with U.S. in terms of GDP per capita. Why did you omit that obvious fact from your analysis?
Because Norway's economy is in no way comparable to America's. It is heavily dependent on oil exports, and it has a tiny population (about one seventieth of the U.S.)
Moreover, what about euro-wide figures?
What about them? Norway has a healthy GDP per capita but a small GDP in absolute terms. Smaller in fact than your "laggards" Portugal and Greece.
When you add it into the mix with larger (in terms of population and overall production) countries like France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Britain, the contribution made by its higher per-capita GDP is insignificant.
Whether you include or exclude Norway, the difference in the Euro-wide figure is about $100.
I also didn't mention nations like Luxembourg, Liechtenstein and Monaco. But sure, include them in the Euro-wide figures, because they don't even make a blip.
Nevertheless, how about a little more intellectual integrity? Instead of leaving out Norway and trimming the statistics up to suit your case, how about suiting your case to match the statistics?
Norway makes no difference. Work the numbers yourself. Norway just isn't big enough to matter.
Besides which, the article didn't mention Norway. It did mention Sweden and Britain. It didn't metion San Marino or Andorra or Albania, and I didn't bring any of those up either.
You seem awfully quick to accuse people of being intellectually dishonest, when it is clear that you haven't given any serious thought to the subject at all. If I wasn't so thoroughly inured to that crap I might be offended.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at May 30, 2005 09:36 PM (+S1Ft)
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PM, do you see no serious issues in Andrew Moravcsik's "Dream on America" piece that merit discussion, or is everything a zero-sum game with you? I had thought it was a fairly accurate report of the perception of the declining importance and influence of the US in the world – so that what I found disappointing was not so much the content of the essay, but rather Newsweek’s decision not to run it in the US.
Do you disagree as a factual matter either with (i) the perception abroad of a slipping US lead, coupled with rising disenchantment with/active opposition to US policies, especially post-9/11 or (ii) the long decline in our relative economic dominance post-WWII as Asia, Europe and Latin America grow? What does the CIA Factbook or other statistics tell you about the changes in the share of the US in the global economy from 1935 to 2005? If these are indeed trends, is there a reason to be alarmed about either of them? Should we not be concerned with the antipathy towards the US in the rest of the world?
Do you see no trade-offs as the US spends huge sums (a signifcant amount borrowed against sharply cut federal revenues) on the military (including extravagant boondoggles such as missile defense, unsettling technologies such as tactical nukes, and nation-building in Iraq), while other countries are investing directly in productive industry? It is more than simply disappointing that our invasion of Iraq has drawn no where near the level of burden-sharing that the US was able to secure in the cases of the first Gulf War and the action against Serbia.
Reflexive self-justification and denial are understandable, but do not help us to deal with real problems. The US is facing a critical task to stem and reverse the serious decline in relative power that the US is now experiencing as investment and power flow to the growing economies of Asia, Europe and Latin America, as the Newsweek article points out so well. Our place in the world will soon be much diminished, and we refuse to get our own house in order - enormous budget and trade deficits, declining technical and science skills, a frayed social support network, accelerating disparities in wealth (see David Brooke`s op-ed in today`s Times), you name it. We face a growing dependence on imported oil but have no cogent energy policy (which should include pricing to cover defense and environmental costs). What a mess we are handing off to our children, who will have to foot the bills and the poorer America that we seem to be willing to settle for! Many global issues cry out for US leadership, but we refuse to accept that mantle in favor of unilateralism.
The Adminstration, Congress and big business are fiddling while Rome burns (see Tom Friedman’s op-ed in Friday’s Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/25/opinion/25friedman.html?th&emc=th). It is a real disappointment that the Republican party is not making a serious attempt to revitalize and strengthen the US economy, but is instead sapping our competitiveness with outrageously irresponsible budget deficits (in which the roles of tax cuts and our grossly expanded and unfunded military budget must be acknowledged).
While responsible for what still is the largest economy and most important country in the world, the Administration seems to be doing all it can to make sure that voters don't hear any bad news. While there may well be room to criticize the Newsweek piece, it is unfortunate that the blog discussion has ignored the real substantive issues raised by the article, but focussed instead on perceived slights to the flag and the “motives†of Newsweek. While I fault Newsweek for selling America short by deciding not to run the piece in the US, sadly this decision seems to reflect ironically one point of the article - that in fact most of Newsweek US readers would rather hear about the Oscars, than to be forced to face unpleasant facts about our declining global position. But then I suppose it is too much to expect, if our Administration, Congress and business leaders are not willing to talk about serious issues, that our press would show it has real balls.
Can we have a real discussion of our slipping economic position, or do we all find it easier to shoot the messenger? I look forward to some enlightenment.
Posted by: Tokyo Tom at May 31, 2005 01:11 AM (gwPxg)
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That's a lengthy and thoughtful comment, Tom, and I will address all your points, but right now I have to go to bed. (See most recent post.)
But please: I do not shoot the messenger. No messenger-shooting here! I'm an engineer; I care about facts. I build my opinions based on facts; if my facts are wrong, I want to know because that means I'm getting the wrong answer.
Anyway, I'll respond; your comment is worth another full length post, I think. (Unlike, sadly, every other commenter who has disagreed with this post.)
Posted by: Pixy Misa at May 31, 2005 01:24 AM (+S1Ft)
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By "leaving out Norway" I meant that you declined to mention that their GDP per capita was the same as that of the U.S., not that you didn't include them in European stats.
And...I take your point that I should not have been so quick to assail your intellectual integrity. I apologize for that, it was a waste of everyone's time. Will you agree, then, that you should not be so bombastically hypocritical in assailing the Newsweek's integrity? You even question their patriotism in the petulant headline: "Now can we question their patriotism." Engineer and facts?? Hardly. Why is your screed 90 percent expletives, epithets and contumely? Why not leave that stuff out if your truly a fact-seeker? I have no idea what you're all about as a person, but your post on Newsweek is all about chauvanist resentment, nationalist self-esteem maintanence and received wisdom, not facts.
Posted by: bunkerbuster at May 31, 2005 11:36 AM (HMqne)
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By "leaving out Norway" I meant that you declined to mention that their GDP per capita was the same as that of the U.S., not that you didn't include them in European stats.
Yes, I realise that. But as I pointed out, Norway is irrelevant. The article mentioned Britain and Sweden specifically; it didn't mention Norway, and neither did I. I concentrated on the major European states because the minor ones are often special cases, and because they are minor. Citing Norway's per-capita GDP without an examination of the factors contributing to it would be an error equivalent to citing San Francisco housing prices and assuming that they are representative of something wider.
I take your point that I should not have been so quick to assail your intellectual integrity. I apologize for that, it was a waste of everyone's time.
Thanks. I accept that. Asking about Norway is a valid point, and comparing the different economic figures from Bloomberg and the CIA Factboook is instructive. We got off on the wrong foot there, I hope we can be more constructive in the future. I apologise in turn for calling you names (I did call you names, didn't I? Well, I cast aspersions at least. Sorry - if you are willing to stick to the point.)
You even question their patriotism in the petulant headline: "Now can we question their patriotism."
The headline is a riff on protestations of patriotism and complaints of said patriotism being questioned. It would have been more apropos for a post dealing with Democrat politicians, but it's not too far off given the anti-American spin of the Newsweek article - in an international edition of an American magazine.
I realise you're new here, so I'll point out that all of my post titles are references to something, and when I can manage it, references to several somethings.
Why is your screed 90 percent expletives, epithets and contumely?
It isn't.
There's one - count them - one expletive, and that in response to the most brazen anti-Americanism. Well, two if you count "wank", I could have said "self-gratification".
Why not leave that stuff out if your truly a fact-seeker?
Because this is not a scholarly article rebutting another scholarly article. This is an attempt to introduce some facts into a fact-free (and indeed counterfactual) argument. Engineers are allowed to yell at idiots; we're just not allowed to make stuff up. (We're even allowed to get things wrong; we just have to admit it when we are shown to be wrong.)
I have no idea what you're all about as a person, but your post on Newsweek is all about chauvanist resentment, nationalist self-esteem maintanence and received wisdom, not facts.
No.
You have that entirely backwards.
The Newsweek article presents no hard facts at all, and makes assertions that are blatant nonsense. The Newsweek article is all about chauvinist resentment and such crap.
I presented information on relative economic productivity and growth, reasons why there have been periods of higher growth in Europe and Japan, an instructive reminder of the stability of American and European political systems (I'll post more on this), a rebuttal of Newsweek's point on the Geneva Convention. I wasn't polite about it, but I don't have to be. And all of that was firmly grounded in fact. The only fact in Newsweek's piece is the fact of the resentment.
You don't like it? Address my points in turn. You have addressed a couple of points, and I've responded. (Showing, so far, that I was right. But if you have further data, by all means present it.)
That is constructive and I'm happy to continue on that course. Not ad infinitum, at least not here in these comments, but I could set up a forum or something if people were interested in continuing the discussion.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at May 31, 2005 12:23 PM (AIaDY)
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I'd be interested in seeing what it takes to get through to someone like you, because as far as I can see, nothing does.
No Pixy,
This and my original comment post will suffice for my interaction with you, knowing from experience characters like you on the Right are an exercise in unpleasant futility.
All I can accomplish here is calling you out as a hysterical distortionist, knowing also, that sticking around to prove it assumes you have honest respect for opposing viewpoints.
So, in the words of Bush #41 - 'not gunna do it!'
Posted by: that colored fella at June 01, 2005 04:37 PM (bJXS2)
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This and my original comment post will suffice for my interaction with you, knowing from experience characters like you on the Right are an exercise in unpleasant futility.
I'm not on the right. Sorry.
All I can accomplish here is calling you out as a hysterical distortionist, knowing also, that sticking around to prove it assumes you have honest respect for opposing viewpoints.
You can call me out all you like, but since the facts are on my side, all this shows is that you are - as I said - crazy.
Again, sorry.
Tokyo Tom asked relevant questions. Even though he seems to disagree with me, we can discuss the issue.
Bunkerbuster and I got off on the wrong foot, but even then he raised some worthwhile points, and we have mutually apologised and we may be able to proceed in some constructive way.
You just showed up and ranted at me. Nothing relevant to the question, no facts, just libel. You lose. You will always lose, as long as you follow those tactics.
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Whereas believers of all cults, including the Lucasic faiths of Jedi and Sith, should be treated with respect and dignity;
Whereas the word Jedi comes from the Gungan root word meaning “toast†and “marmaladeâ€;
Whereas there is an estimated $20 billion in revenue in Star Wars, from a wide variety of ethnic backgrounds, forming an integral part of the economic fabric of America;
Whereas Episode IV is the holy film for Jedi who recite passages from it in prayer and learn valuable lessons about peace, humanity and the repair and maintenance of vaporators;
Whereas it should never be official policy of the United States Government to disparage Episode IV, or any film or character in any way, shape, or form, except for Jar-Jar Binks who is fair game;
Whereas mistreatment of moviegoers and disrespect toward the holy film of any cult is unacceptable and against civilized humanity;
Whereas the infringement of an individual’s right to freedom of viewing violates the Constitution and laws of the United States: Now, therefore, be it
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(1) condemns bigotry, acts of violence, and intolerance against any cult, including our friends, neighbors, and citizens of the Jedi faith;
(2) declares that the civil rights and civil liberties of all individuals, including those of the Jedi faith, should be protected;
(3) recognizes that Episode IV, the holy film of the Jedi, as any other holy film of any cult, should be treated with dignity and respect;
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Right and Wrong, Part IV
My recent suggestion that the (American) military can be trusted to police itself - viz the investigations of the abuse at Abu Ghraib and the deaths at Bagram - seems to have drawn the leeches out of the fever swamp.
None of them seem to have read Bill Whittle's recent piece,
Sanctuary, or even
Part I of this series.
Here's the problem in a nutshell.
Us, the good guys, the people who actually live in reality:
We freed the people of Afghanistan and Iraq from tyranny and gave them self-determination.
Them, the "reality-based community", the liberal media:
There were no WMDs!
Here's the thing.
We
did free fifty million people from two of the vilest regimes in the world. Fact. Irrefutable. Were the Taliban and the Ba'athists vile oppressors? Yes. Are they now gone? Yes.
Done. We (the sane ones) are provably correct in our assertion.
Now, as to the moonbats: They say there were no WMDs. This appears to be correct. Of course, due to U.N. obstructionism, Saddam Hussein had months to move any WMDs he may have had, to Syria or elsewhere. But we don't know if that happened, all we know is that we haven't found any WMDs.
But this is not to the point. We are still correct, we have still accomplished a great good, a highly admirable deed.
Underlying the moonbat claim are two other assumptions, one false, the other insane.
First, that we invaded Iraq only because of WMDs. This is simply false. Read any of the speeches made in the days leading up to the war, and you will find that this is only one of the reasons.
Second, that false intent inevitably poisons any good outcome. This belief is insane, because it prevents you from dealing with the world as it really is.
Fifty million people are free. Fact. Even if President Bush had invaded Iraq to steal their sandworms and make himself the immortal God Emperor of America, it wouldn't change the fact that fifty million people are now free.
Furthermore, claims of intent are basically unfalsifiable. You can claim that the President really
did invade Iraq for that reason, and everything he has said, and everything that has been done, is just a coverup for his real intentions. In other words, statements attributing intent to other people are only valid insofar as they match their words and actions, because words and actions are what take place in the real world.
So claims that the military never intended to properly investigate Abu Ghraib or Bagram fall flat in the face of the fact that the military
did properly investigate Abu Ghraib and Bagram. Statements that aspects of the investigations were unsatisfactory, for reasons of procedure or outcome,
those can be assessed and addressed in terms of fact and logic and may well prove to be substantive.
Unfortunately, that sort of statement is largely avoided by the left. Which is no surprise, because being a leftist in the first place requires a strong aversion to reality. They are not interested in talking about what is said and what is done, only about underlying meanings and intent - statements that cannot be contradicted.
If they were interested in
outcomes, in actions, in the real world, they wouldn't be leftists. Maybe it was different in 1917, but there's no excuse today.
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While I mostly agree with your post, I do have one small point to make. While usually ignored and glossed over, WMDs *were* found in Iraq. A bit of sarin, some mustard gas. (There are and were questions about whether they were even from Iraqi stockpiles or if (charming thought!) they might have been smuggled in from some neighboring regimes stockpiles.)
The problem is that the finds were all very small - people had been expecting stockpiles. The missing quantities of WMDs that Hussein was known to have were measured in tons and gallons; the WMDs found were measured in ounces. Thus, if you thought the Iraq war was about WMDs, the finds wearn't remotely sufficient to justify the war. On the flip side, if, as I do, you thought it was about human rights, then the finds were simply insignificant when compared to the freedom of millions.
But there WERE some found.

Posted by: Cody at May 26, 2005 01:29 PM (S1oW0)
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Right. And a big chunk of - I think it was cyanide salt, and a few other nasty bits and pieces. And a whole bunch of chemical warfare suits, oddly enough.
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Well, Yeah
"It says 'Golgafrincham Ark Fleet, Ship B, Hold Seven, PHP Programmer Second Class' — and a serial number."
"A PHP programmer?" said Arthur, "a dead PHP programmer?"
"Best kind."
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Posted by: Susie at May 25, 2005 02:04 AM (V1YvO)
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Ahh, that made my day, thanks.
Posted by: tommy at May 25, 2005 01:08 PM (OJ+GI)
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This is getting printed out, framed and displayed in my office.
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Tim Blair links to a piece by the (fortunately) inimitable
Robert Bosler, writing in
the Sydney Morning Herald's own half-acre of fever swamp Web Diary:
This forum, this beautiful wellspring that is Webdiary which speaks so uniquely the voice of our small corner of humanity, is daily bubbling over with gut-given substance from each of those inner depths we plumb when we are moved by the fundamental need of having asked of ourselves why. So many wonderful voices, speaking, in essence, as one! Speaking in response to that singular question.
Don't we share this need wonderfully!
I was reading this (thanks a bunch, Tim) and I suddenly had an epiphany.
These people aren't just stupid, they're actually ill. It's some sort of mental imbalance, possibly treatable, possibly not. But let's face it, the folk of Web Diary are hopelessly inane, and belong in an inane asylum.
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Was that English?

Posted by: Susie at May 24, 2005 02:42 PM (V1YvO)
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There are quite a number of people who I could cheerfully chuck into an inane assulm; if only one could be built.
Do they all write like that? I chose not to torment my head with further investigations.
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The geeks are out in force (hee hee) at
Ace's place tonight.
I know this could get me booted from the geek club (Hey, wait! I have a 64-bit computer with 1.8 terabytes of disk! Shiny, shiny!) but I have to admit that I saw Star Wars (not Episode IV, Star Wars) twice at the age of 12, and
haven't seen any of the other movies.
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You are wise, Oh Pixy--that was the best one and they've gone downhill from there....
Posted by: Susie at May 24, 2005 02:43 PM (V1YvO)
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That was always my impression. The first one was so good that they couldn't top it. Should've left well enough alone. I haven't seen any of the others either.
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I Know That Game
Glenn Reynolds (free, ad supported) links to a short piece by
Mickey Kaus (free, ad supported, ©2005 Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive Co. LLC) regarding the latest efforts of George Lakoff to reshape the Democratic Party without actually having to go through any of that awkward
change.
Well, unless you knew Lakoff already, you wouldn't know that's what they were talking about, although Mickey links to pieces in
The Atlantic and
The New Republic Online, which, while both being for subscribers only, do give short excerpts which (more so in The Atlantic's case) give us some idea of what is going on.
Which is this: Lakoff says that the Democrats' problem is not their policies - the policies are perfect; flawless, glittering gems, thank you very much - but the words they use to describe them. From The Atlantic:
When conservatives invoke "strong defense," liberals, Lakoff says, must reframe the concept by referring to a "stronger America." Instead of "free markets," liberals should speak of "broad prosperity." Likewise, "smaller government" must be recast as "effective government," and "family values" as "mutual responsibility." Those greedy "trial lawyers" excoriated by the right should be reframed and praised as brave and selfless "public-protection attorneys." And perhaps most important, when conservatives start promoting more Bushian "tax relief," liberals should respond by defending taxes as "membership fees" or "investments" in America.
Mickey Kaus seems to think that the key weakness of Lakoff's argument is his model of politics:
Oddly, neither attacks Lakoff at what would seem to be his central weak point, namely his conflation of politics and parenting--identifying "conservative" values with "the strict father" and "liberal" values with the "nurturant parent."
Now, apart from the fact that anyone who uses the word "nurturant" and means it should be taken out and shot, this rather misses the point.
What Lakoff's point is, is this: Don't address the issues. Don't
ever address the issues. Because although We (the Democrats) are on the right side of every issue, We have this little problem with educating Them (the residents of Jesusland) so that They are smart enough to agree with Us. In the meantime, feed them bullshit.
To put it another way: Lakoff is preaching
contempt. His view is that voters are idiots, or robots, programmed into specific voting patterns, to be swayed by specific codewords rather than substantive policies.
It's one thing to disparage those that didn't vote for your party, Mr Lakoff, but what does that say about those that
did?
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This reminds me of when my city's public transportaion company decided they needed to improve their service--so they changed their name....
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May 23, 2005
First They Came For The Bloggers
And I didn't speak out, because - Hey! Wait a minute!
Via
Debbye of
Being American in T.O. and
Kate of
Small Dead Animals comes the news that
Andrew Coyne is being sued for libel by the Chief of Staff of the Canadian Prime Minister, apparently over
this or related items.
Robot Guy has more.
A commenter at Small Dead Animals points out that the very first sentence in the
Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is this:
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.
That's real reassuring, that is.
Mind you, Australia doesn't even have such a charter. Fortunately,
our Liberal government is actually liberal, in the classical sense.
Glenn Reynolds seems to have
stickied a post regarding the FEC's proposal to regulate bloggers under the Campaign Finance "Reform" Laws. Don't think it can't happen here. Um, there. Wherever.
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Pixy, thanks for the support. Things are getting ugly up here and, in a bizarre way, losing international face would actually hurt Ontarians a lot more than passively accepting tyranny.
I guess this next question is where globalization becomes a headache.
In what manner do the proposed FEC regulations affect bloggers whose sites (or should that be domains? hosts?) are in other countries?
For example, as we have a Texas connection, do we therefore weigh in on the FEC regulations or does our personal physicial location, e.g., Canada or Australia, dictate which government we fight?
(This isn't an idle question; I'm an American citizen, so I feel it my right and duty to challenge the FEC, but I might have a better case if my Texas connection carries some weight.)
Posted by: Debbye at May 23, 2005 09:55 PM (vMw1f)
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Unfortunately, the way things seem to work is this:
If you are an American citizen living in Canada blogging on a server physically situated in the U.K. (for the sake of an example) paid for and run from Australia, then your blog is subject to the laws of all of those countries, even when - especially when - they are mutually contradictory.
If you piss someone off badly enough.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at May 24, 2005 01:03 AM (+S1Ft)
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Thanks, Pixy!
You know me well, and probably anticipated a follow-up question:
Is it a problem if I piss them all off? (hypothtically speaking, of course.)
Except you; I don't want to piss you off.
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Piss them off by all means. But be careful - not cautious, but careful - and consider the facts at hand and the statements you make. Saying that you consider Tim Murphy a loathsome slime-mold isn't actionable. Claiming that he committed a specific act may be.
Also when dealing with a weasel, it may be judicious to employ weasel-words.
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Thanks, Pixy. The word "alleged" is my friend.
Weasel: a carnivorous mammal, often used to describe members of Canada's Liberal Party.
Posted by: Debbye at May 25, 2005 07:36 AM (WKkzE)
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One must be aware of possible defamatory comments. Do you think? You post something that steps on Liberal toes. They post smut or smear comments and then get lawyers to phone and intimidate for a shut-down. That may be when servers in Monrovia or Latvia become useful.. Come to think of it. Censorship has pretty well died. As long as expose stuff is on more than one server or can be zapped to any safe site anywhere in the world, it can always pop up again. TonyGuitar.Blogspot PS I see that tech values are heavy here, but why are excellent bloggers drawn to mu.nu?
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Why are excellent bloggers drawn to mu.nu?
Well, I guess it's because of the free donuts.

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You scored as Materialist. Materialism stresses the essence of fundamental particles. Everything that exists is purely physical matter and there is no special force that holds life together. You believe that anything can be explained by breaking it up into its pieces. i.e. the big picture can be understood by its smaller elements.
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Ah, That's the One
I've been looking for a particular article written recently about the game being played by the mainstream media, but I couldn't find it again among the flood of similar pieces both on blogs and the fringe (i.e. not hopelessly liberal) media. But following a random link (in other words, I've forgotten who linked to it), I
found it again:
Its rules are simple and cynical. Presume the U.S. government is lying -- particularly when the president is a Republican. Presume the worst about the U.S. military -- even when the president is a Democrat. Add multicultural icing -- allegations by "Third World victims" get revered status, while U.S. statements are met with arrogant contempt. (Yes, it's the myth of the Noble Savage recast.)
I had found a piece by Austin Bay elsewhere that was awfully similar but didn't have the quite same clarity of expression. So I checked the author of this piece - aha. That would explain the similarities.
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Bush Country
Not to be missed
article in the Wall Street Journal:
To venture into the Arab world, as I did recently over four weeks in Qatar, Kuwait, Jordan and Iraq, is to travel into Bush Country. I was to encounter people from practically all Arab lands, to listen in on a great debate about the possibility of freedom and liberty. I met Lebanese giddy with the Cedar Revolution that liberated their country from the Syrian prison that had seemed an unalterable curse. They were under no illusions about the change that had come their way. They knew that this new history was the gift of an American president who had put the Syrian rulers on notice. The speed with which Syria quit Lebanon was astonishing, a race to the border to forestall an American strike that the regime could not discount. I met Syrians in the know who admitted that the fear of American power, and the example of American forces flushing Saddam Hussein out of his spider hole, now drive Syrian policy. They hang on George Bush's words in Damascus, I was told: the rulers wondering if Iraq was a crystal ball in which they could glimpse their future.
Stand firm; do not listen to the spineless weasels who protested against the wars to liberate first Afghanistan and then Iraq, and who even today are crying out to abandon the people of those countries. Stand firm, and we - and they - can transform the world.
(via
Roger L. Simon)
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False Dichotomy!!!!
Way to straddle the fence:
Your Political Profile
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Overall: 70% Conservative, 30% Liberal
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Social Issues: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
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Personal Responsibility: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
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Fiscal Issues: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
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Ethics: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
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Defense and Crime: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
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Once I stopped jumping up and down screaming "False dichotomy!!!"...
(Thanks to Boudicca)
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You do realize we need our own political party...

Posted by: Boudicca at May 23, 2005 10:24 AM (z7nbM)
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Your Political Profile
Overall: 90% Conservative, 10% Liberal
Social Issues: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
Personal Responsibility: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
Fiscal Issues: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
Ethics: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
Defense and Crime: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
How Liberal / Conservative Are You?
Hum. I think I did okay. Some of the questions I had to pick the best of two bad choices, though. I suppose the binary bifurcation of outcomes is easiest.
You have a great blog. I think I'll read the whole sumgun a little at a time to prolong the pleasure.
Posted by: skh at May 28, 2005 02:22 PM (c0W4c)
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Apart From That, Mrs. Lincoln...
This shows just what a modern PC is capable of:
avg-cpu: %user %nice %sys %iowait %idle
0.42 0.00 60.42 39.16 0.00
Device: tps kB_read/s kB_wrtn/s kB_read kB_wrtn
sda 1080.00 69093.05 2.53 328192 12
sdb 1090.53 69793.68 0.00 331520 0
sdc 1110.32 71060.21 0.00 337536 0
sdd 1099.37 70359.58 0.00 334208 0
sde 661.89 42361.26 0.00 201216 0
sdf 647.58 41458.53 0.00 196928 0
sdg 277.68 17771.79 0.00 84416 0
sdh 279.16 17866.11 0.00 84864 0
Thats 400MB/sec of I/O, limited by the PCI connection to the second SATA controller. I have two PCI Express x1 slots, each of which can provide double that bandwidth, assuming I could find a cheap PCI Express SATA card (hah!) which would push my bandwidth up to 500MB/sec, which is as fast as the disks can go.
This isn't a fancy server motherboard either, just an ordinary desktop one. Albeit a
nice desktop board.
This is my old system:
avg-cpu: %user %nice %sys %iowait %idle
0.40 0.00 43.40 56.00 0.20
Device: tps kB_read/s kB_wrtn/s kB_read kB_wrtn
hdc 666.60 42611.20 8.00 213056 40
hdd 673.40 43046.40 8.00 215232 40
hde 445.00 28480.00 0.00 142400 0
hdf 445.00 28480.00 0.00 142400 0
hdg 503.60 32243.20 0.00 161216 0
hdh 503.80 32230.40 0.00 161152 0
Which isn't bad - about 200MB/s - but not in the same class. Here the fault is partly PCI, partly IDE, partly the previous generation disk drives.
My old 120GB IDE drives get around 45MB/s maximum transfer rate. The newer 200GB SATA drives reach 55MB/s, and the brand new 250GB drives can reach 70MB/s.
One interesting thing: The next major advance in hard disk technology is perpendicular recording, where the magnetic domains that hold the data are oriented vertically into the disk rather than longitudinally along the track. If you think of current bits like dominoes lying flat, perpendicular recording makes them stand on end, allowing them to be packed much closer together, up to ten times.
Most previous advances have come by making the overall area of the domains smaller, by making them shorter and packing the tracks closer together. Since the rotational speed of disk drives has increased only slowly, this meant that as the number of tracks increased, the time taken to read an entire disk also increased, climbing from minutes to an hour or more.
Perpendicular recording will increase transfer rates in direct proportion to the size of the disk, avoiding this problem. However, if we do achieve a ten-fold increase in capacity, transfer rates will far exceed even SATA-II's 300MB/s per channel.
Well, darn.
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Yucky Lack Of I/O Bandwidth
This is crap:
avg-cpu: %user %nice %sys %iowait %idle
0.00 0.00 27.45 72.55 0.00
Device: tps kB_read/s kB_wrtn/s kB_read kB_wrtn
sda 0.00 0.00 0.00 0 0
sdb 0.00 0.00 0.00 0 0
sdc 0.00 0.00 0.00 0 0
sdd 0.00 0.00 0.00 0 0
sde 670.14 42901.80 0.00 214080 0
sdf 662.12 42375.95 0.00 211456 0
sdg 266.73 17070.94 0.00 85184 0
sdh 268.74 17199.20 0.00 85824 0
Two bad things going on here. First, the Sil3114 that provides the four SATA-I ports on my new motherboard is a PCI device, giving a maximum throughput of 133MB/sec (theoretical). It's getting 119MB/sec here, which is actually very good for PCI.
Second, although I'm running the exact same test on all four drives, the first two are giving two-and-a-half times the performance, presumably due to some sort of interrupt or DMA prioritisation.
So far this time it hasn't actually crapped out on me with a flood of spurious errors. We'll see how long that lasts.
Oh yes. I now have eight SATA drives in my new computer, a total of 1.8 terabytes of storage. This wasn't the original plan, and in fact is making things rather difficult, but I couldn't get things to work reliably in the old system.
Meh.
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May 21, 2005
Evil 'R' Us Too
Silicon Image SATA controllers are extremely common, and the second set of four ports on my new motherboard are provided by a Sil3114 chip.
They are, unfortunately,
pure evil.
I know that the Linux developers are still adding patches to the kernel to work around problems with Silicon Image controllers. And maybe one day they will succeed. Until then, I wouldn't trust them at all. Well, maybe with
one disk, if it didn't contain data I cared about, and I had backups of everything.
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A Bridge Chip Too Far
I was trying to do a final check to make sure that everything had been copied to the new box correctly, but after four crashes in two hours due to the flaky old SATA controller, I gave up.
Shut everything down, installed the new Promise controller, tweaked a couple of files so that it was recognised, and off we go - except the main RAID array wasn't recognised. And when I tried the old trick that recovered it last time, it wasn't having any. 600GB of toast.
Good thing I backed up all that toast first. Well, that was the whole point of the exercise. Indeed, it was the idea from the start, redundant arrays of inexpensive toast. Disks. Whatever.
I told you butter wouldn't suit the works.
Update: Splut.
This means war.
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May 20, 2005
Right and Wrong, Part II
This is wrong.
But note the source for the New York Times' report: A military investigation.
And recall that Abu Ghraib was also the subject of a military investigation before it was a blip on the radar of the media.
Our military is imperfect, but it
does police itself, and it
does hold itself accountable.
There's a lesson there, for those willing to learn.
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Does it police itself? The report named twenty-some people, including officers several layers above the individuals committing the abuse, as at least partially responsible for either knowing about abuse and not reporting it, for giving directives that either clearly encouraged abuse or were obviously vague enough to be interpreted as allowing abuse.
So far only the grunts have been indicted -- same as at Abu Ghraib.
And when you consider that some of the treatments described in the report -- and previously reported at Abu Ghraib -- were cleared by Rumsfeld and/or suggested by the Gonzalez draft memo, it's hard to escape the conclusion that responsibility OUGHT to extend, at a minimum, up to Rumsfeld -- even if it's not criminal liability, it IS responsibility. If he were a man of honor, he would've resigned in disgrace by now.
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So far only the grunts have been indicted -- same as at Abu Ghraib.
The officer overseeing prisons in Iraq, Brigadier-General Janis Karpinski has been busted back to Colonel, which is a career-destroying demotion. She wasn't there and took no part in the abuse and so hasn't been indicted, but she was judged derelict in her duty.
Five other officers have also been the subject of disciplinary action over Abu Ghraib.
The New York Times report mentions that no officers have been indicted over the abuse in Afghanistan, but doesn't say anything else. I expect that the situation is much like Abu Ghraib: Officers not directly involved in the abuse but who should have taken action to stop it have been dealt with short of court-martial.
blah blah Rumsfeld blah blah Gonzalez blah
No.
Nothing in that paragraph is either factual or logical. Sorry, but you are an idiot.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at May 22, 2005 10:22 AM (+S1Ft)
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Says you.
"Despite autopsy findings of homicide and statements by soldiers that two prisoners died after being struck by guards at an American military detention center in Bagram, Afghanistan, Army investigators initially recommended closing the case without bringing any criminal charges, documents and interviews show."
Part two of the same article, published this morning.
Posted by: Auros at May 23, 2005 05:56 AM (hzFpF)
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Was the case closed?
The case was not closed.
Were charges brought?
Charges were brought.
Did you have a point?
No, I thought not.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at May 23, 2005 10:25 AM (+S1Ft)
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Before you congratulate yourself, you should also note that if it weren't for ONE decent individual taking the in initiative to see the CIC because he was dissatisfied with the military's own inquiry, ONE decent individual who then leaked the CIC report to the Press, the military's "self-policing" would have wound up nought. Most of the soldiers were charged last week, probably because of imminent media exposure, and NONE for causing the deaths.
"Our military is imperfect, but it does police itself, and it does hold itself accountable."???
I wouldn't call it self-policing if it exonerates itself in its own inquiry and takes no further action until a whistleblower leaks information to the CIC and the press.
"In late August of last year, shortly before the Army completed its inquiry into the deaths, Sergeant Yonushonis, who was stationed in Germany, went at his own initiative to see an agent of the Criminal Investigation Command. Until then, he had never been interviewed."
"Even though military investigators learned soon after Mr. Dilawar's death that he had been abused by at least two interrogators, the Army's criminal inquiry moved slowly. Meanwhile, many of the Bagram interrogators, led by the same operations officer, Capt. Carolyn A. Wood, were redeployed to Iraq and in July 2003 took charge of interrogations at the Abu Ghraib prison. According to a high-level Army inquiry last year, Captain Wood applied techniques there that were "remarkably similar" to those used at Bagram.
Last October, the Army's Criminal Investigation Command concluded that there was probable cause to charge 27 officers and enlisted personnel with criminal offenses in the Dilawar case ranging from dereliction of duty to maiming and involuntary manslaughter. Fifteen of the same soldiers were also cited for probable criminal responsibility in the Habibullah case.
So far, only the seven soldiers have been charged, including four last week. No one has been convicted in either death. Two Army interrogators were also reprimanded, a military spokesman said. Most of those who could still face legal action have denied wrongdoing, either in statements to investigators or in comments to a reporter. "
Posted by: qwerty at May 24, 2005 02:54 AM (6CPp5)
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Before you congratulate yourself
Eh?
you should also note [unsupported assertions]
Your quotes directly undermine your claims.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at May 24, 2005 03:06 AM (+S1Ft)
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Not a chance. My quotes were actually gleaned from the NYTimes quoting the CIC report. Note, it isn't the military's own internal report investigating the deaths of prisoners, but the CIC's investigation instigated by a whistleblower. If there were no whistleblowers, as in the case of Abu Ghraib, no one would even know about the military's torture and abuses. According to the Red Cross, it seems many more complaints were lodged and reported to the military, but we hear nothing about them. And I wouldn't call a system which relies on whistleblowers sticking their necks out to report abuses a "self-policing" one. It's akin to saying the tobacco companies are self-policing simply because a whistleblower came out to the media and authorities and they were then reprimanded in court.
By definition, any organisation that covers up its abuses and is only called into account by the stray whistleblower reporting to an outside, higher authority isn't self-policing.
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From the same article, Mr. Pick-and-Chooser:
Citing "investigative shortfalls," senior Army investigators took the Bagram inquiry away from agents in Afghanistan in August 2003, assigning it to a task force based at the agency's headquarters in Virginia. In October 2004, the task force found probable cause to charge 27 of the military police guards and military intelligence interrogators with crimes ranging from involuntary manslaughter to lying to investigators. Those 27 included the 7 who have actually been charged.
"I would acknowledge that a lot of these investigations appear to have taken excessively long," the Defense Department's chief spokesman, Larry Di Rita, said in an interview on Friday. "There's no other way to describe an investigation that takes two years. People are being held accountable, but it's taking too long."
There are valid criticisms to be made against the military over both the incident and the handling of the investigation. The problem is, you aren't addressing those points, you are instead choosing to press claims that have no basis in fact.
On the other hand, the military is addressing those points. Which is exactly what I said in the first place.
You say: If there were no whistleblowers, as in the case of Abu Ghraib, no one would even know about the military's torture and abuses.
That's completely false. Not only was the Abu Ghraib incident the subject of a military investigation months before it became the liberal media's number-one chew toy, it was specifically included in press briefings.
Military 4, Liberal Media 0
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You are seriously deluded. It was another whistleblower, Darby, that exposed Abu Ghraib, and Seymour Hersh broke it before the Pentagon was forced to admit it.
In the case of Bagram,
"In late August of last year, shortly before the Army completed its inquiry into the deaths, Sergeant Yonushonis, who was stationed in Germany, went at his own initiative to see an agent of the Criminal Investigation Command."
This is the whistle blower.
Two months later "Last October, the Army's Criminal Investigation Command concluded that there was probable cause to charge 27 officers and enlisted personnel with criminal offenses in the Dilawar case ranging from dereliction of duty to maiming and involuntary manslaughter. Fifteen of the same soldiers were also cited for probable criminal responsibility in the Habibullah case."
Before then, the internal miitary inquiry ended with no recommendations to take any action. If it weren't for the whistleblowers, one or two men out of hundreds and thousands, not a squeak would have been heard.
Any respectable self-policing org would have started immediate investigations into dead prisoners and STOPPED any further abuses and brought those responsible for torture and manslaughter to justice.
Instead, the torturers and killers at Bagram were sent to Abu Ghraib to repeat their stellar performance AFTER the deaths of the two innocent Afghans by their superiors.
You still haven't explained how the Red Cross reports about torture and killings went IGNORED by the Pentagon for years.
This isn't a self-policing entity. Unless self-policing means getting away with murder.
The refutation isn't personal or meant to undermine you, but many of us no doubt find it troubling you invest such faith in a military that has repeatedly been exposed as perpetrating crimes with impunity. In effect, you are saying that things are just great and dandy in the military.
If not for the "liberal" media you despise, Hersh and NYTimes, all would have remained buried. It is strange how instead of appreciating them for speaking truth to power, you would belittle them.
I have enough of this rah, rah, rah, ain't we great stuff. Enjoy more of the same from your Bush.
Posted by: qwerty at May 24, 2005 10:55 PM (6CPp5)
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Sorry, no.
This is the whistle blower.
An army sergeant, reporting to an army investigative body.
In other words, even when the inital investigation failed, the military could be trusted not only to reopen the investigation, but to launch an inquiry into its own procedures.
Which means that we have a whole new level of trust established - the old "Quis custodiet ipso custodes" is answered.
Instead, the torturers and killers at Bagram were sent to Abu Ghraib to repeat their stellar performance AFTER the deaths of the two innocent Afghans by their superiors.
That is the first intelligent thing you have said. That is a very legitimate criticism that I haven't seen addressed by the military. Even ignoring your slant, it should never have been allowed to happen.
You still haven't explained how the Red Cross reports about torture and killings went IGNORED by the Pentagon for years.
The Red Cross reports have been investigated. In almost - not quite, but almost - every case they have been determined to be unfounded.
Unfortunately in recent years the Red Cross has developed the same brain-eating anti-Americanism that is so widespread elsewhere. It doesn't matter that you can't tell right from wrong; you're just one idiot. It does matter that the Red Cross has lost all sense of proportion.
This isn't a self-policing entity.
A 2000-page report proves you wrong.
In effect, you are saying that things are just great and dandy in the military.
In effect, you can't read.
If not for the "liberal" media you despise, Hersh and NYTimes, all would have remained buried.
Hah.
Hersh is even more loosely connected to reality than you are. He is hopelessly unreliable. The NYT as a whole is just hopelessly biased.
Fortunately, we do not need to rely on either one for anything.
It is strange how instead of appreciating them for speaking truth to power, you would belittle them.
"Speaking truth to power"? That pathetic line, again?
With Hersh and the NYT, we see not so much speaking truth to power, as speaking falsehoods to the insane.
Which includes you, I'm afraid. Read part one of this piece, which details your mental problems. Or better, read Bill Whittle's Sanctuary.
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Posted by: ya pidoras at July 25, 2006 02:52 PM (w4nDS)
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