Hutaree Plot Revealed
If the allegations are true, this was one nasty little cult:
The alleged plot is one spawned of a vicious mind. When a police officer dies in the line of duty, the funeral typically consists of dozens of officers, and often includes representatives of local law enforcement agencies from around the region, federal and state law enforcement, and local and state authorities in addition to grieving family members and friends. The slow-moving procession would be an easy target for IEDs, and it would not be surprising if it is revealed that the group planned to lie in wait with the intention of ambushing police and rescue units responding to the initial attack. If the attacking force were sufficiently competent, they could easily kill dozens in such a scenario. Update: According to the NY Times a total of nine co-conspirators were charged, and the charges include sedition. I do take issue with the claim made by the Detroit FBI SAIC:
The indictment claims that the Hutaree planned to kill an unidentified member of local law enforcement and then attack the law enforcement officers who gather in Michigan for the funeral. According to the plan, the Hutaree would attack law enforcement vehicles during the funeral procession with improvised explosive devices rigged with projectiles, which constitute weapons of mass destruction, according to the announcement by U.S. Attorney Barbara L. McQuade. "Because the Hutaree had planned a covert reconnaissance operation for April which had the potential of placing an unsuspecting member of the public at risk, the safety of the public and of the law enforcement community demanded intervention at this time," McQuade said in the announcement. "Hutaree members view local, state, and federal law enforcement as the 'brotherhood,' their enemy, and have been preparing to engage them in armed conflict."
There are groups like these throughout society? Really? If that is the case, we would have already had attacks such as those the Hutaree envisioned, or at least similar arrests. As we have neither, it strongly suggests that Andrew Arena, Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent in Charge in Detroit, is full of crap. The article also sheds light on more details of the attack that the cult had been plotting:
"This is an example of radical and extremist fringe groups which can be found throughout our society," Andrew Arena, Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent in Charge in Detroit, said in a statement. "The F.B.I. takes such extremist groups seriously, especially those who would target innocent citizens and the law enforcement officers who protect the citizens of the United States."
The indictment charged that between August 2008 and the present, the defendants — led by David Brian Stone, 45, who also used the name "Captain Hutaree" — developed a conspiracy that they hoped would result in a war against the United States government. They allegedly decided they would kill a local law enforcement officer, and then bomb the funeral caravan. The killings "would intimidate and demoralize law enforcement diminishing their ranks and rendering them ineffective," it said. Afterward, the indictment said, Hutaree members would retreat to several "rally points" and wage war against the government, using prepared fighting positions as well as "trip-wired and command-detonated" bombs. "It is believed by the Hutaree that this engagement would then serve as a catalyst for a more wide-spread uprising against the government," the indictment said. Mr. Stone used the Internet to obtain diagrams of "explosively formed projectiles," a particularly lethal form of roadside bombs responsible for many deaths of United States soldiers in Iraq, the indictment says.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 10:23 AM
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Oh, please! Stop listening to the Obama FBI and the news.
http://bit.ly/byZLYK
And Home Grown Haji is off limits?
http://bit.ly/9f1OqE
This is Obama's deal and not a militant group going after Haji?
http://bit.ly/byZLYK
And Home Grown Haji is off limits?
http://bit.ly/9f1OqE
This is Obama's deal and not a militant group going after Haji?
Posted by: Mark Harvey at March 29, 2010 10:34 AM (Y9Bvs)
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Doesn't pass the sniff test.
Posted by: David at March 29, 2010 11:02 AM (jHK8i)
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So how many times is the story going to change? And how wide are they going to try and make the blame? The Government is doing everything to blow this up instead of trying to stabilize a bad situation.
Posted by: s4r at March 29, 2010 11:46 AM (u0FmQ)
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I don't see the problem. If you are waging war against a government the cops etc. are legitimate targets. They are agents of state power. If they don't want to be in the line of fire, find a new job.
Posted by: Tim in Philly at March 29, 2010 01:44 PM (PnG/3)
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If this were a Muslim group planning the same thing you guys would be all over them.
Instead you are directing the blame to the government, Obama, and the FBI.
If you are really opposed to the Hutaree you should be vigoriously condemning the actions of a group ..instead of deflecting blame on Muslims or Obama
This leads me to believe that you are somehow OK with groups like this. You may not like their attempts to kill policemen but you sympathize with them because , like you, they love their country and don't want to see it taken over by a liberals intent on destroying freedom, tearing up the constituion and engineering a government take over of America.
"Terrorism in defense of freedom is not terrorism."
Instead you are directing the blame to the government, Obama, and the FBI.
If you are really opposed to the Hutaree you should be vigoriously condemning the actions of a group ..instead of deflecting blame on Muslims or Obama
This leads me to believe that you are somehow OK with groups like this. You may not like their attempts to kill policemen but you sympathize with them because , like you, they love their country and don't want to see it taken over by a liberals intent on destroying freedom, tearing up the constituion and engineering a government take over of America.
"Terrorism in defense of freedom is not terrorism."
Posted by: Norris Hall at March 29, 2010 01:52 PM (HMb9u)
Posted by: sitnam at March 29, 2010 02:00 PM (lQnPY)
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If the charges stick then this is one nasty little cult and they should get busted just like any other rats. Doesn't matter if their killing is inspired by Warrior Jesus, Allah or Che Guevara.
Posted by: zhombre at March 29, 2010 02:08 PM (vUWth)
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I knew someone would start with the Muslim's. What would you do if during WWII, when we were behind and an end was not in sight, our government decided to go after a small group of frustrated America First individuals instead of concentrating all their efforts on erradicating the Nazi threat and sabotage that was threatening a large number of individuals? We are not at war with terror, as you liberals have said any number of times, Bush was an idiot. I voted for him twice and would love to have him as president instead of the scum we have now. But I agree, he was an idiot. What he wasn't was that he wasn't Gore or Kerry. Bush got it wrong in declaring war on terror. Our enemy is Islam. At some point we will have to aim our sights at that so called religion. We the recent events in Russia, Putin may take care of the problem for us, he is not a girly man like our current leaders.
But everyone, stop and think. This is an effort to direct the focus away from the take over of our lives and socialization of our country. I view our politicians as equivalent to an occupying enemy. I only hope that local law enforcement will see the problem as well.
But everyone, stop and think. This is an effort to direct the focus away from the take over of our lives and socialization of our country. I view our politicians as equivalent to an occupying enemy. I only hope that local law enforcement will see the problem as well.
Posted by: David at March 29, 2010 02:54 PM (jHK8i)
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If there goal was to kill a law enforcement officer and then commit mass murder at the funeral I cannot support that agenda.
I do support defending personal rights, freedom and the constitution but it sounds like we are way off base here.
That said I do not always take government charges at face value, are these truly nut cases or does the government have an agenda.
Only time will tell.
I do support defending personal rights, freedom and the constitution but it sounds like we are way off base here.
That said I do not always take government charges at face value, are these truly nut cases or does the government have an agenda.
Only time will tell.
Posted by: Tommy at March 29, 2010 05:47 PM (NUvh0)
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"If that is the case, we would have already had attacks such as those the Hutaree envisioned"
Never forget Oklahoma City?
Never forget Oklahoma City?
Posted by: Sirkowski at March 29, 2010 06:01 PM (3sW6T)
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I don't see the problem. If you are waging war against a government the cops etc. are legitimate targets. They are agents of state power. If they don't want to be in the line of fire, find a new job.
Presumably, "Tim in Philly" is a big fan of Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. They killed one cop, and Dohrn had an indirect role in a heist gone wrong that left cops and security guards dead. They also were famously behind a plot to blow up soldiers and their dates.
If you think it is acceptable to target police officers, you are scum, and you are not welcome here.
I don't see the problem. If you are waging war against a government the cops etc. are legitimate targets. They are agents of state power. If they don't want to be in the line of fire, find a new job.
Presumably, "Tim in Philly" is a big fan of Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. They killed one cop, and Dohrn had an indirect role in a heist gone wrong that left cops and security guards dead. They also were famously behind a plot to blow up soldiers and their dates.
If you think it is acceptable to target police officers, you are scum, and you are not welcome here.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at March 29, 2010 06:31 PM (qhZ5Z)
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There are groups like these throughout society? Really?
If that is the case, we would have already had attacks such as those the Hutaree envisioned, or at least similar arrests. As we have neither, it strongly suggests that Andrew Arena, Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent in Charge in Detroit, is full of crap.
Be careful, your logic dictates that if the government really believes there are Muslim terrorists targeting America for a multiple catastrophic death scenario since 911....and there is no multiple catastrophic death event then our CIA and military intel is full of crap?
If that is the case, we would have already had attacks such as those the Hutaree envisioned, or at least similar arrests. As we have neither, it strongly suggests that Andrew Arena, Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent in Charge in Detroit, is full of crap.
Be careful, your logic dictates that if the government really believes there are Muslim terrorists targeting America for a multiple catastrophic death scenario since 911....and there is no multiple catastrophic death event then our CIA and military intel is full of crap?
Posted by: Wheaton Pat at March 29, 2010 08:07 PM (vreqy)
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if the government really believes there are Muslim terrorists targeting America for a multiple catastrophic death scenario since 911....and there is no multiple catastrophic death event then our CIA and military intel is full of crap?
There have been several Muslim caused "multiple catastrophic death event"s since 9/11. But hey, don't let mere reality interrupt your happy fantasy life.
There have been several Muslim caused "multiple catastrophic death event"s since 9/11. But hey, don't let mere reality interrupt your happy fantasy life.
Posted by: flenser at March 29, 2010 08:46 PM (Tkbfo)
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Never forget Oklahoma City?
I'm sorry... I should have stipulated that I was talking about modern-day events that could be tied to such groups, not a terrorist attack that happened 15 years ago.
Never forget Oklahoma City?
I'm sorry... I should have stipulated that I was talking about modern-day events that could be tied to such groups, not a terrorist attack that happened 15 years ago.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at March 30, 2010 08:05 AM (gAi9Z)
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>> So how many times is the story going to change?
You seem unable to separate objective fact from opinion and speculation.
There is no evidence the real story ever changed. The indictments were sealed. Different sources in the media speculated on what they were about. Some of that speculation was wrong. That is not evidence of a nefarious government plot.
You seem unable to separate objective fact from opinion and speculation.
There is no evidence the real story ever changed. The indictments were sealed. Different sources in the media speculated on what they were about. Some of that speculation was wrong. That is not evidence of a nefarious government plot.
Posted by: Bubba Joe at March 30, 2010 08:28 AM (oV1Hh)
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I'm thinking that if this attack had been pulled off that law enforcement would not be "intimidated and demoralized". Plenty pissed off is more like it.
Posted by: Tim at March 30, 2010 11:04 AM (xq7pr)
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I'm thinking that law enforcement might need to keep an eye on one Donald Woods. He is very much like the guy who threatened to kill Eric Cantor. Angry and wishing death upon his fellow citizens. He must have gotten teabagged by his Uncle Sugar.
You can go pick up your food stamp card on the first, Donald, if you're out of your drug-induced stupor by then.
You can go pick up your food stamp card on the first, Donald, if you're out of your drug-induced stupor by then.
Posted by: templar knight at March 30, 2010 01:41 PM (2fJ/e)
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