Stupid Is As Stupid Does
Unbelievable. Haitians aren't getting the help they need because the nation's already meager infrastructure was destroyed by the earthquake, and their brilliant response is to create more roadblocks? And out of the corpses of their countrymen, at that?
As Bill Whittle noted so perfectly in the essay Tribes after Hurricane Katrina, this is an issue of a mental mindset. The same mindset that has made Haiti one of the poorest and most corrupt nations in the hemisphere is the same childish, short-term gratification-focused mindset that leads people to build roadblocks when roads need to be cleared. Their "logic"—such as it is—seems to be that if they build roadblocks, aide convoys cannot pass them by, and must stop and service them. That building such gruesome edifices only ensures that the flow of aide will slow even further, making their survival even less likely, seems to have completely escaped them. It is heart-wrenching to watch an already pathetic nation experience such a disaster, but even more pathetic to watch them committing suicide through stupidity.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 09:50 AM
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More likely they are putting up road blocks so they can steal the aid that is in the trucks.
What I see is a lot of people sitting around doing nothing to help themselves or others.
What I see is a lot of people sitting around doing nothing to help themselves or others.
Posted by: Jack at January 15, 2010 10:06 AM (bvDV5)
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Pathetic and disgusting, I protest the sending of our troops into this mess before law and order is established and I think we have pledged too much money to a corrupt government, I would prefer to see private charities lead the way in helping Haitians recover as they are careful in what they do and very careful in how they spend money.
I do not want one tax dollar spent on rebuilding the presidential palace, I do not want one Hatian refugee sent to Gitmo.
I do not want one tax dollar spent on rebuilding the presidential palace, I do not want one Hatian refugee sent to Gitmo.
Posted by: duncan at January 15, 2010 11:23 AM (yYtuK)
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It's the same selfish impulse that makes Democrats Democrats.
It really is VITAL that they clear those airports faster.
It's not about money and hasn't been for a while. It's about getting aid where it's needed.
It really is VITAL that they clear those airports faster.
It's not about money and hasn't been for a while. It's about getting aid where it's needed.
Posted by: democratsarefascists at January 15, 2010 12:07 PM (GdalM)
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Duncan ... You say you protest our sending in our troops and our aid to Haiti before "law and order" are established. Evidently, you are not in possession of the facts. Do a little research, for gosh sakes. The earthquake demolished the presidential palace there, the UN headquarters, most of any other governmental buildings. The airport is in chaos, there are no functional police forces or fire protection. Who the heck do you think is going to establish "law and order" when these vital services are missing or fatally damaged? The tooth Fairy?
American military forces, like the 82nd Airborne and the Marines, are deploying there as fast as possible. The Carl Vinson, a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier, should get there today, with 4,000/5000 trained military aboard, along with an on-board hospital and medical personnel, cooking facilities and food supplies, water desalinization equipment and, best of all, a big landing/take-off carrier deck and trained personnel, to allow entry of relief supplies, search and rescue teams and other essentials for restoration of order. We've done this before, many times, all over the world, and done a damn good job of it. Pull your socks up and get the facts before you complain.
Marianne Matthews {yes, that's my real name. What's yours?}
American military forces, like the 82nd Airborne and the Marines, are deploying there as fast as possible. The Carl Vinson, a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier, should get there today, with 4,000/5000 trained military aboard, along with an on-board hospital and medical personnel, cooking facilities and food supplies, water desalinization equipment and, best of all, a big landing/take-off carrier deck and trained personnel, to allow entry of relief supplies, search and rescue teams and other essentials for restoration of order. We've done this before, many times, all over the world, and done a damn good job of it. Pull your socks up and get the facts before you complain.
Marianne Matthews {yes, that's my real name. What's yours?}
Posted by: Marianne Matthews at January 15, 2010 12:58 PM (Aaj8s)
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Just because it's been reported doesn't mean it's true.
Posted by: Molon Labe at January 15, 2010 01:02 PM (kYpqT)
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I guess, on some issues, we must simply agree to disagree. Though I pretty much think Darwin was an idiot, and his "science" is bunk, I do believe, fully and absolutely, in the Darwin Awards. Much like the Avatards who are on the edge of suicide, those who act in such ways or are of such fragile psyches as to be so vulnerable to lead themselves to the edge of extinction, all I can do is lend my hand in the only way I know how... *gentle push*
A fond farewell will be held by all.
A fond farewell will be held by all.
Posted by: Doom at January 15, 2010 04:01 PM (7zf2G)
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@ Marianne Matthews, you are so right!!
Posted by: gDavid at January 15, 2010 04:55 PM (JYU2R)
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Are they their own worst enemies in their selfishness and greed? To use the remains of people to seek selfishness - no respect for the dead. Using corpses as road blockades. Contemptible. These people are SICK!!! Voodoo is the #1 religion in Haiti. They are sick people without respect for the dead - if they are using corpses to block roads in order to try to force aid to their areas - with no regard (obviously) for others.
SElfishness IS short-sighted - and DOES lead to poverty.
We have that kind of evil selfishness being taught by our govt here - raising it's ugly head.
Look at Haiti. Short-sighted selfishness by a bunch of people who worship demons in an effort to gain power and wealth. Then, they can't quite see it isn't "working for them" - and they are the poorest, most oppressed and tyrannized, the most uncivilized and unintelligent people and nation in the Western Hemisphere.
Using corpses. These people are sick. They boil children in boiling water to worship demons and to try to get power for themselves. That's how "loving" of people they are. A co-worker just told me a story today of Haitians who went into Mexico, then came from Mexico to the USA smuggling heroin. They took a baby, killed the baby, gutted the baby, then packed heroin in the baby's stomache cavity, sewed up the baby - and used the corpse as a mule for heroin trying to pass the baby off as alive but sleeping.
Using corpses as road blocks?? Doesn't surprise me. These people are demented, sick, twisted as a general society. Maybe not all individuals are = but this is institutionalized sickness in this Haitian society.
Don't ask me to pity this nation like they were civilized as a society and nation. They're not.
SElfishness IS short-sighted - and DOES lead to poverty.
We have that kind of evil selfishness being taught by our govt here - raising it's ugly head.
Look at Haiti. Short-sighted selfishness by a bunch of people who worship demons in an effort to gain power and wealth. Then, they can't quite see it isn't "working for them" - and they are the poorest, most oppressed and tyrannized, the most uncivilized and unintelligent people and nation in the Western Hemisphere.
Using corpses. These people are sick. They boil children in boiling water to worship demons and to try to get power for themselves. That's how "loving" of people they are. A co-worker just told me a story today of Haitians who went into Mexico, then came from Mexico to the USA smuggling heroin. They took a baby, killed the baby, gutted the baby, then packed heroin in the baby's stomache cavity, sewed up the baby - and used the corpse as a mule for heroin trying to pass the baby off as alive but sleeping.
Using corpses as road blocks?? Doesn't surprise me. These people are demented, sick, twisted as a general society. Maybe not all individuals are = but this is institutionalized sickness in this Haitian society.
Don't ask me to pity this nation like they were civilized as a society and nation. They're not.
Posted by: laura at January 15, 2010 05:25 PM (BrNTT)
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Can't wait for the arrival of the 50,000 or so Haitian "refugees" that governor Crist wants to bring to Florida.
Posted by: emdfl at January 15, 2010 05:37 PM (D0QYS)
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In 1968 the 3rd. brigade 82nd. Airborne moved to Phu Bai Vietnam with the first troopers arriving 4 days after the call up.
My question is what will be the ROE for these mostly combat vets?
My question is what will be the ROE for these mostly combat vets?
Posted by: bman at January 15, 2010 05:49 PM (Bnzgl)
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I don't know, If I had gone 3 days with no food, water or sleep I would do pretty much whatever it took to procure those things for myself and my family. Would I feel guilty about it later? Maybe, but I'd be alive. These people are behaving very reasonably given the circumstances, judging them from the comfort of a warm house and sofa is just wrong.
Posted by: Will Butler at January 15, 2010 07:29 PM (LgpMF)
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Duncan,
It is what the Fleet does.............when we aren't killing the enemies of our Republic who really need it. In addition to the features listed above about Nimitz class carriers, they have the ability to turn other spaces into extra medical wards. The forward mess decks are one and in extremis, the hangar bay can be used. It is a cavernous place and with just two Seahawk helo squadrons embarked, space for such things is not an issue.
Yes Duncan, our Navy, aid to whom ever may need it.
It is what the Fleet does.............when we aren't killing the enemies of our Republic who really need it. In addition to the features listed above about Nimitz class carriers, they have the ability to turn other spaces into extra medical wards. The forward mess decks are one and in extremis, the hangar bay can be used. It is a cavernous place and with just two Seahawk helo squadrons embarked, space for such things is not an issue.
Yes Duncan, our Navy, aid to whom ever may need it.
Posted by: Glenn Cassel AMH1(AW) USN Retired at January 16, 2010 02:38 AM (Tprch)
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Glenn, I do want to help and we must send water, food, medical aid and shelter, the basic aid, I protest using our troops to bring law and order to Haiti and sending hundreds of millions of tax dollars to a small nation that has already recieved hundreds of millions of dollars with no evidence of improvement in anything, allow the private charities to help as they will not waste money or effort, as for law and order I think the Haitian civilian police force must do that, not American troops.
Posted by: duncan at January 16, 2010 01:29 PM (yYtuK)
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I protest using our troops to bring law and order to Haiti
That would make you pro-death and chaos. If we don't do it, then who will? The freaking Keebler Elves?
That would make you pro-death and chaos. If we don't do it, then who will? The freaking Keebler Elves?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 16, 2010 04:51 PM (n4A8Z)
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I oppose death and chaos, I am not heartless I am just weary of seeing time effort and money wasted, the keebler elves are American, I want the Haitians to provide law and order and protection to all who are bringing free to them aid, is this toooooooo much to ask??? How often must we rebuild Haiti??? Why must we rebuild the presidential palace of a president who will not help his own nation??? What will happen to the American soldier who kills a haitian in self defense??? when that happens and the photo is released to the world will the haitians curse America by satan and will Obama apologize to the world??? And who gets all those millions of tax payer dollars???? I want to help but we must be so careful, I still say private charities do a better job of helping and our troops must not be used as cops, if Haiti wants our aid then Haiti must provide security.
Posted by: duncan at January 16, 2010 08:46 PM (yYtuK)
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I want the Haitians to provide law and order and protection to all who are bringing free to them aid, is this toooooooo much to ask???
The gangs are armed, the general populace, not. Your plan for them to reverse this situation in a manner acceptable to you would be precisely what?
The gangs are armed, the general populace, not. Your plan for them to reverse this situation in a manner acceptable to you would be precisely what?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 17, 2010 12:33 PM (Knp2S)
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This is what happens when a welfare state collapses. There is no one left who knows how to do anything, or has any will to work. They all just expect the handout.
Posted by: wpw at January 17, 2010 05:32 PM (9OLSg)
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Exactly wpw and that is what Obama has in mind for the USA.
Posted by: sdav at January 17, 2010 06:41 PM (y5IWb)
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"Who the heck do you think is going to establish 'law and order' when these vital services are missing or fatally damaged? The tooth Fairy?"
If Haitian society were healthy and functional, then the ordinary citizens would step up to help the police maintain order.
Consider that this sort of breakdown would not occur in Texas, where civil ties are strong and where many honest citizens are armed.
If Haitian society were healthy and functional, then the ordinary citizens would step up to help the police maintain order.
Consider that this sort of breakdown would not occur in Texas, where civil ties are strong and where many honest citizens are armed.
Posted by: pst314 at January 18, 2010 02:29 PM (OA547)
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"What I see is a lot of people sitting around doing nothing to help themselves or others."
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Sounds a lot like New Orleans after hurricane Katrina...
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Sounds a lot like New Orleans after hurricane Katrina...
Posted by: REB at January 18, 2010 10:12 PM (K78C6)
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