Fort Hood Shooter ID'd
With the release of two other possible suspects, it is now starting to look like the shooting at Fort Hood today was the work of a single man, armed with two handguns. He was named as Major Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist who ironically specialized in treating traumatic stress, and who was angry about having to deploy to Iraq at the end of November.
Like another mass murder who targeted young adults, Hasan went to Virginia Tech. Figures. Update: Breaking news as of 10:00 PM is that Hasan did not die, and is in custody in stable condition.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 07:16 PM
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If you're taking a shot at VT, it's a cheap shot. If you weren't, my apologies for thinking you were.
Posted by: steve at November 05, 2009 08:20 PM (miah1)
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No, that isn't exactly what I meant. Sorta.
The two shootings conducted in a similar method in the span of a couple of years... I frankly wonder if Hasan might have been influenced by the university massacre.
The two shootings conducted in a similar method in the span of a couple of years... I frankly wonder if Hasan might have been influenced by the university massacre.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at November 05, 2009 08:25 PM (WjpSC)
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Not influenced as it "he made me do it" but more inspired to carry out the same sort of attack.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at November 05, 2009 08:26 PM (WjpSC)
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Soldiers at our bases are basically sitting ducks. Weapons are only carried by MPs.
"Reformed" muslims and those of middle eastern heritage are no different than VC in Nam. You didnt trust anyone with "slanted eyes" in the Nam and its no different now. Just a different face on the enemy.
"Reformed" muslims and those of middle eastern heritage are no different than VC in Nam. You didnt trust anyone with "slanted eyes" in the Nam and its no different now. Just a different face on the enemy.
Posted by: capt26thga at November 05, 2009 08:39 PM (yDWEd)
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the shooter is in custody and not dead as first reported.
Posted by: rumcrook® at November 05, 2009 09:16 PM (60WiD)
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I frankly wonder if Hasan might have been influenced by the university massacre.
I'm pretty sure he was much more influenced by the Religion of Peace.
I'm pretty sure he was much more influenced by the Religion of Peace.
Posted by: Steve at November 05, 2009 09:22 PM (xdvz0)
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Apparently he has survived his attempted martyrdom. Either he'll prove a coward and plead mental deficiency or stand by his convictions and have the Army execute him like the common criminal he is.
Posted by: ThomasD at November 05, 2009 09:56 PM (21H5U)
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Because ALL VT students MUST eventually become Mass Murders, right??? That was a cheap shot and un-called-for. Ranks right up there with the All Soldiers are really just waiting to bubble over and kill everyone in range. I am a proud Hokie, and a proud Army Veteran. Either of these sorts of statements (and I have heard both today) are horridly offensive.
Posted by: kaceala at November 05, 2009 10:25 PM (ChhlM)
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I'm a UVA grad who pretends to hate VT, especially every November when you smoke us in football, but I have to agree with you on this one kaceala. Assuming someone is a likely mass murderer because they attend VT, join the Army, practice Islam, or have slanted eyes is offensive.
College attendance, military service, religion, and epicanthic folds don't kill people, people kill people.
College attendance, military service, religion, and epicanthic folds don't kill people, people kill people.
Posted by: Jim at November 05, 2009 11:15 PM (KD9e1)
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Assuming someone is a likely mass murderer because they attend VT, join the Army, practice Islam, or have slanted eyes is offensive.
Let us know when someone does that. Meanwhile, it seems that people are assuming Hasan is a likely mass murderer because of all the people he appears to have killed.
Let us know when someone does that. Meanwhile, it seems that people are assuming Hasan is a likely mass murderer because of all the people he appears to have killed.
Posted by: Pablo at November 05, 2009 11:37 PM (yTndK)
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There are, at the moment, some things relating to this murderous attack (not a "tragedy" as VP Biden said) that we know with certainty:
(1) Terrorists and criminals do not obey gun control laws.
(2) Gun free zones--surprisingly, this includes military installations--are among the least safe places in America.
(3) The police cannot protect any given citizen and have no legal do duty to do so.
(4) The only thing that can potentially deter terrorists is the knowledge that there are no gun free zones and that when they attack, there will likely be armed citizens ready to resist.
(5) When a lunatic starts shooting, the only thing that can stop him is armed, capable citizens who immediately return fire.
(6) In gun free zones, even the most rapid police response will mean nothing to the victims and their loved ones, in this case, 12 dead and 31 wounded at last count.
(7) Liberals and Obamites will surely use this situation to clamor for more gun control.
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Liberal and Obamites will suppress any information relating to the shooter that might seem negative toward Islam or any other favored victim groups or nation.
(9) Anyone expressing anger toward the shooter will be branded a racist by the press.
(10) Should it turn out that the shooter had foreign, jihadist connections, particularly any Iran-related connections, they will be ruthless suppressed by the Obamites so as not to harm "engagement" with those who seek to destroy western civilization.
(1) Terrorists and criminals do not obey gun control laws.
(2) Gun free zones--surprisingly, this includes military installations--are among the least safe places in America.
(3) The police cannot protect any given citizen and have no legal do duty to do so.
(4) The only thing that can potentially deter terrorists is the knowledge that there are no gun free zones and that when they attack, there will likely be armed citizens ready to resist.
(5) When a lunatic starts shooting, the only thing that can stop him is armed, capable citizens who immediately return fire.
(6) In gun free zones, even the most rapid police response will mean nothing to the victims and their loved ones, in this case, 12 dead and 31 wounded at last count.
(7) Liberals and Obamites will surely use this situation to clamor for more gun control.
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Liberal and Obamites will suppress any information relating to the shooter that might seem negative toward Islam or any other favored victim groups or nation.
(9) Anyone expressing anger toward the shooter will be branded a racist by the press.
(10) Should it turn out that the shooter had foreign, jihadist connections, particularly any Iran-related connections, they will be ruthless suppressed by the Obamites so as not to harm "engagement" with those who seek to destroy western civilization.
Posted by: Mike McDaniel at November 05, 2009 11:41 PM (DJR56)
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Kaceala and Jim, ConYank gave us an interesting tidbit of information and a useful reminder of an instance of another mass murder of people within the murderers daily sphere. Of all the things in the world to get offended about to pick this one is well...picky. On the other hand, Steve had a straight to the core of the matter comment.
Posted by: Jayne at November 05, 2009 11:43 PM (dwIL0)
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Hi Pablo,
Yeah, CY made no comments at all about this guys time at VT having any influence on his crime. Three different times.
And capt26thga didn't say anything about muslims being the enemy and that they should not be trusted just like people with slanted eyes were not to be trusted in the Nam (which oddly includes every single Vietnamese person we were fighting to protect, I'm not exactly sure what he thinks we were doing over there).
Nope, no one said anything like that here at all.
Yeah, CY made no comments at all about this guys time at VT having any influence on his crime. Three different times.
And capt26thga didn't say anything about muslims being the enemy and that they should not be trusted just like people with slanted eyes were not to be trusted in the Nam (which oddly includes every single Vietnamese person we were fighting to protect, I'm not exactly sure what he thinks we were doing over there).
Nope, no one said anything like that here at all.
Posted by: Jim at November 05, 2009 11:48 PM (KD9e1)
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Yeah, Pablo's right. The assumption that he's a mass murderer is pretty much a result of 12 dead, and 31 wounded. Um, so when you look at this whole situation, the thing you're offended about is that CY pointed out that two mass murderers went to the same college, and not the mass murder itself. Murder is what I find offensive, especially against servicemen, but that's just me. Agree to disagree I guess.
I went to DU right away, and of course, they're yucking it up pretty good, and making up lies.
Today's a pretty awesome day for Liberals, but a pretty terrible day for America.
I went to DU right away, and of course, they're yucking it up pretty good, and making up lies.
Today's a pretty awesome day for Liberals, but a pretty terrible day for America.
Posted by: brando at November 05, 2009 11:49 PM (LjEkE)
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Jim's just here to gloat.
Posted by: brando at November 05, 2009 11:50 PM (LjEkE)
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Take your spluttering indignant outrage and direct it at the man who just murdered a bunch of people, Jim.
Posted by: Steve at November 05, 2009 11:53 PM (xdvz0)
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Gloat Brando? You are one sick person. Get well.
Jayne,
CY didn't point out a tidbit that the two mass murderers went to the same school, he said, and I quote "frankly wonder if Hasan might have been influenced by the university massacre...Not influenced as it "he made me do it" but more inspired to carry out the same sort of attack."
CY says "Went to Tech = more likely to commit mass murder", which is stupid and offensive.
Jayne,
CY didn't point out a tidbit that the two mass murderers went to the same school, he said, and I quote "frankly wonder if Hasan might have been influenced by the university massacre...Not influenced as it "he made me do it" but more inspired to carry out the same sort of attack."
CY says "Went to Tech = more likely to commit mass murder", which is stupid and offensive.
Posted by: Jim at November 05, 2009 11:55 PM (KD9e1)
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Take your anger and direct it at the man who pulled the trigger, not everyone who happens to practice the same religion, Steve.
Posted by: Jim at November 05, 2009 11:58 PM (KD9e1)
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Nope, I'm a Baptist.
As for the rest you sound like you're full of rage yourself Steve, I wonder if it's due to your religion or race? Or maybe you're just a jerk.
As for the rest you sound like you're full of rage yourself Steve, I wonder if it's due to your religion or race? Or maybe you're just a jerk.
Posted by: Jim at November 06, 2009 12:11 AM (KD9e1)
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CY says "Went to Tech = more likely to commit mass murder", which is stupid and offensive.
I was noting that they both used roughly the same MO of using handguns at point blank range against massed unarmed young adults with little chance of escaping a campus-like environment, but whatever floats your boat.
CY says "Went to Tech = more likely to commit mass murder", which is stupid and offensive.
I was noting that they both used roughly the same MO of using handguns at point blank range against massed unarmed young adults with little chance of escaping a campus-like environment, but whatever floats your boat.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at November 06, 2009 12:28 AM (WjpSC)
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CY you said "more inspired to carry out the same kind of attack". The attack was a mass murder, 'more inspired' is the same thing as 'more likely',
If there is another meaning for the words "more inspired" I'm all ears.
If there is another meaning for the words "more inspired" I'm all ears.
Posted by: Jim at November 06, 2009 12:42 AM (KD9e1)
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I shouldn't be sniping at you over this today CY, I apologize. I think your statement was over the top, but, I agree with some others here that this isn't the time or place for an argument, it's a time to think about the families of the victims.
I'd appreciate it if you could delete my last post to Steve (the one at 12:11). You deleted his, for obvious reasons, and it would probably be for the best if you deleted my response to the now missing post. That was for sure an exchange that didn't need to happen!
I'd appreciate it if you could delete my last post to Steve (the one at 12:11). You deleted his, for obvious reasons, and it would probably be for the best if you deleted my response to the now missing post. That was for sure an exchange that didn't need to happen!
Posted by: Jim at November 06, 2009 12:55 AM (KD9e1)
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"More inspired" meaning "hey, that guy killed a bunch of people in a place they couldn't defend themselves so maybe I should hit the same sort of target."
Oh wait, that doesn't let you get any remarks full of mightily faux outrage at CY so you probably discarded it, if you bothered to think much about it at all.
Oh wait, that doesn't let you get any remarks full of mightily faux outrage at CY so you probably discarded it, if you bothered to think much about it at all.
Posted by: Patrick Chester at November 06, 2009 12:59 AM (RezbN)
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Patrick,
You're leaving out the part where CY said it "figures" that Hasan went to Tech.
OK, I'm out, please direct all future comments about faux outrage to the tech grad and vet kaceala.
You're leaving out the part where CY said it "figures" that Hasan went to Tech.
OK, I'm out, please direct all future comments about faux outrage to the tech grad and vet kaceala.
Posted by: Jim at November 06, 2009 01:09 AM (KD9e1)
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"I agree with some others here that this isn't the time or place for an argument, it's a time to think about the families of the victims."
You expect that to be believed after that show you just put on? I'm against mass murder, and you think I'm sick? What in the world is wrong with you? When you think of what that monster did to those servicemen and their families, you come here to yuck it up, and throw insults? Wow. You really do have negative value.
You expect that to be believed after that show you just put on? I'm against mass murder, and you think I'm sick? What in the world is wrong with you? When you think of what that monster did to those servicemen and their families, you come here to yuck it up, and throw insults? Wow. You really do have negative value.
Posted by: brando at November 06, 2009 01:29 AM (LjEkE)
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Brando, project much?
Quote me gloating and yucking it up or go play somewhere else. As for throwing insults, what's your excuse?
Quote me gloating and yucking it up or go play somewhere else. As for throwing insults, what's your excuse?
Posted by: Jim at November 06, 2009 01:56 AM (KD9e1)
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Play? This isn't the time for your Liberal sarcasm and snark, you goon.
They. Were. Murdered.
Don't ask CY to cover-up your comments again.
They. Were. Murdered.
Don't ask CY to cover-up your comments again.
Posted by: brando at November 06, 2009 02:15 AM (LjEkE)
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And yet another follower of the cult of islam murders. Here in Seattle, we are following the trial of the scumbag who shot up the Jewish Federation killing one woman. He apparently was mad at Israel.
When will we have had enough of this filthy, violent, expansionist cult?
When will we have had enough of this filthy, violent, expansionist cult?
Posted by: iconoclast at November 06, 2009 02:26 AM (O8ebz)
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The attack was a mass murder, 'more inspired' is the same thing as 'more likely',
If there is another meaning for the words "more inspired" I'm all ears.
*facepalm*
Jim, put those goalposts down anywhere you like. Just let us know where, k? Then you can Superior Dance your butt on out.
If there is another meaning for the words "more inspired" I'm all ears.
*facepalm*
Jim, put those goalposts down anywhere you like. Just let us know where, k? Then you can Superior Dance your butt on out.
Posted by: Pablo at November 06, 2009 08:10 AM (yTndK)
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Pablo, let me know what college you attended and I'll get back to you on what awful crime it "figures" you'll be more inspired to one day commit. Of course he wasn't exactly taking a cheap shot at VT. Sorta.
Posted by: Jim at November 06, 2009 09:08 AM (KD9e1)
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I have to sort of agree with Jim a bit here, though CY did put in some clarifying statements in the comments. As written it is a bit of a shot at VT.
"Like another mass murder who targeted young adults, Hasan went to Virginia Tech."
There is nothing wrong with that statement by it self. However when you combine it with the following it does imply that there is a link between mass murders and attending VT.
"Figures."
That being said the murder's religion or mental state probably had a lot more to do with his attack than his college. In typical Muslim/Leftist fashion the man's family is playing the "religion/race card" by saying he was the victim of harassment due to his religion.
Disgusting.
They need to behead him, IIRC Muslims believe that is a dishonorable and shaming death which is why they do it to infidels. I could be wrong about that though.
"Like another mass murder who targeted young adults, Hasan went to Virginia Tech."
There is nothing wrong with that statement by it self. However when you combine it with the following it does imply that there is a link between mass murders and attending VT.
"Figures."
That being said the murder's religion or mental state probably had a lot more to do with his attack than his college. In typical Muslim/Leftist fashion the man's family is playing the "religion/race card" by saying he was the victim of harassment due to his religion.
Disgusting.
They need to behead him, IIRC Muslims believe that is a dishonorable and shaming death which is why they do it to infidels. I could be wrong about that though.
Posted by: Scott at November 06, 2009 10:26 AM (6yHgW)
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>>"I agree with some others here that this isn't the time or place for an argument"
And yet you seem to be determined to have one, one in which you focus your anger at we racist intolerant bigots who object to Islamic terrorism.
And yet you seem to be determined to have one, one in which you focus your anger at we racist intolerant bigots who object to Islamic terrorism.
Posted by: Steve at November 06, 2009 11:35 AM (E/z/c)
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Back when the Communists were a threat, there were useful idiots like Jim around who saw it as their mission in life to stand up for the poor persecuted Commies. They were "anti-anti-communist".
The circumstances may change but the fundamental mindset of the left never does.
The circumstances may change but the fundamental mindset of the left never does.
Posted by: Steve at November 06, 2009 11:40 AM (E/z/c)
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Islam has nothing to do with this, if he attacked fellow people of the book then he is not following the religion of peace,
Posted by: MAModerate at November 07, 2009 09:45 PM (SVD0U)
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MAModerate you are incorrect, "People of the Book" are only protected if they have submitted and have accepted their role as dhimmis. Any resistance or failure to pay the jizya removes that protection and they are often subject to all kinds of brutality. Even if it is only one person the entire community is often punished. Just ask the Christians living in Muslim majority nations.
Posted by: Scott at November 09, 2009 11:28 AM (6yHgW)
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