Crazy on the Left and Further Left
I don't often read NewsMax. I don't have anything against them, I just have limited time and resources and rely a core group of news sites, blogs, and aggregators to gather information on a daily basis.
I rather wish I did read more frequently however, because if I did I might have been able to catch John L. Perry's column from yesterday, Obama Risks a Military 'Intervention' before it was sent down the memory hole. Clicking on that link will now redirect you to the NewsMax home page; Perry's column has also been scrubbed. The scathing response from the blogosphere—based upon what I've been able to cobble together from quotes on several sites—seems warranted. The simple fact of the matter is that author seems to have come unhinged, and for reasons perhaps structural to the site's editorial process, the column made it to print without a sanity check by the editors. While the number of people dissatisfied with Obama's foundering Presidency continues to balloon and his popularity erodes on a seemingly daily basis, we are a nation of laws, not a nation of mob rule and coups by military strongmen. We will have out chance to remove President Obama in 2012 as we have always removed bad Presidents, at the ballot box. There has only been one successful coup in American history, perpetrated by the Democratic Party and the Ku Klux Klan and allowed by a Democratic governor and President. Advocating to repeat such a disgrace as Perry apparently did is utterly unacceptable. NewsMax was right to yank a column that never should have made it to print, and should reconsider their relationship with Perry and what that association now represents. Update: It is also worth noting that Perry is not a conservative; his bio says he worked for both LBJ and Carter Administrations and Democratic Governor of Florida, LeRoy Collins. From further on the left, Gore Vidal laments the "fact" that Americans are just too stupid to appreciate the genius of Obama, and also suggests that a military coup is in America's future. Update: A statement from NewsMax:Here is the copy of the original Perry column in its entirety, as provided by a reader:
Statement from Newsmax Regarding Blogger
In a blog posting to Newsmax John Perry wrote about a coup scenario involving the U.S. military. He clearly stated that he was not advocating such a scenario but simply describing one. After several reader complaints, Newsmax wanted to insure that this article was not misinterpreted. It was removed after a short period after being posted. Newsmax strongly believes in the principles of Constitutional government and would never advocate or insinuate any suggestion of an activity that would undermine our democracy or democratic institutions. Mr. Perry served as a political appointee in the Carter administration in HUD and FEMA. He has no official relationship with Newsmax other than as an unpaid blogger.
Obama Risks a Domestic Military 'Intervention' Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:35 AM By: John L. Perry
There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the "Obama problem." Don't dismiss it as unrealistic. America isn’t the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it. So, view the following through military eyes: Officers swear to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Unlike enlisted personnel, they do not swear to "obey the orders of the president of the United States." Top military officers can see the Constitution they are sworn to defend being trampled as American institutions and enterprises are nationalized.
They can see that Americans are increasingly alarmed that this nation, under President Barack Obama, may not even be recognizable as America by the 2012 election, in which he will surely seek continuation in office. They can see that the economy — ravaged by deficits, taxes, unemployment, and impending inflation — is financially reliant on foreign lender governments.
They can see this president waging undeclared war on the intelligence community, without whose rigorous and independent functions the armed services are rendered blind in an ever-more hostile world overseas and at home. They can see the dismantling of defenses against missiles targeted at this nation by avowed enemies, even as America’s troop strength is allowed to sag.
They can see the horror of major warfare erupting simultaneously in two, and possibly three, far-flung theaters before America can react in time. They can see the nation's safety and their own military establishments and honor placed in jeopardy as never before. So, if you are one of those observant military professionals, what do you do? Wait until this president bungles into losing the war in Afghanistan, and Pakistan’s arsenal of nuclear bombs falls into the hands of militant Islam? Wait until Israel is forced to launch air strikes on Iran’s nuclear-bomb plants, and the Middle East explodes, destabilizing or subjugating the Free World? What happens if the generals Obama sent to win the Afghan war are told by this president (who now says, "I'm not interested in victory"that they will be denied troops they must have to win? Do they follow orders they cannot carry out, consistent with their oath of duty? Do they resign en masse? Or do they soldier on, hoping the 2010 congressional elections will reverse the situation? Do they dare gamble the national survival on such political whims? Anyone who imagines that those thoughts are not weighing heavily on the intellect and conscience of America’s military leadership is lost in a fool's fog. Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a "family intervention," with some form of limited, shared responsibility? Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making. Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible. Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don't shrug and say, "We can always worry about that later." In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass. John L. Perry, a prize-winning newspaper editor and writer who served on White House staffs of two presidents, is a regular columnist for Newsmax.com. Read John Perry's columns here.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 10:12 AM
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There was at least one other successful coup: the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy, in 1893.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overthrow_of_the_Hawaiian_Kingdom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overthrow_of_the_Hawaiian_Kingdom
Posted by: Jason Van Steenwyk at September 30, 2009 11:18 AM (+S8Kb)
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The original article was removed from NewMax's site, but is preserved here:
http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/pdf/newsmax-20090929-perry_coup.pdf
Sedition is an act of terrorism.
http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/pdf/newsmax-20090929-perry_coup.pdf
Sedition is an act of terrorism.
Posted by: James at September 30, 2009 11:27 AM (/vYfr)
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For the record, I renamed this post shortly after posting it.
Far too many people are swallowing the Perry and Vidal as coming from the right and left, when this coup talk is really coming from the left and further left. I wanted to make that clear.
Jason, Hawaii wasn't yet a part of the United States at the time. James, I have a copy from a reader that I just posted in the update.
Far too many people are swallowing the Perry and Vidal as coming from the right and left, when this coup talk is really coming from the left and further left. I wanted to make that clear.
Jason, Hawaii wasn't yet a part of the United States at the time. James, I have a copy from a reader that I just posted in the update.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at September 30, 2009 12:28 PM (gAi9Z)
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The problem that we have is that Obama is trying as hard as possible to distroy the US and our futures. He is in no way addressing the economic problem which is far from being over and has a potential for being much more servere than the Depression of the 30's. He is trying to socialize every industry. His foreign policy stance is almost guaranteed to provoke war. So what do we do? Can we wait another year hoping to get Republican numbers up to counter this nut? Certainly in 4 years we will be in a despriate situation if he gets his social measures passed. Now I here he is trying to stack the judicary. It seems that he is a busy little man.
Posted by: David at September 30, 2009 01:55 PM (dccG2)
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Yeash. The only place I can imagine that this MIGHT have come from, sanely, is folks looking worriedly at the Obama Patterns (IE: "ooh, dictators! I like!") and saying "don't worry, Obama can't possibly overthrow the US Constitution-- the military wouldn't allow it."
I have seen this in several places-- shoot, I've _pointed this out_ in several places, when (possible trollish) folks come through and post about how Obama will set himself up as a dictator.
Main problem I have with the article is that it seems to be saying "oh, the US military will run all over the Constitution to save the country! See, they swear to defend the Constitution and the country!" Seems a little...um... off-kiter.
I have seen this in several places-- shoot, I've _pointed this out_ in several places, when (possible trollish) folks come through and post about how Obama will set himself up as a dictator.
Main problem I have with the article is that it seems to be saying "oh, the US military will run all over the Constitution to save the country! See, they swear to defend the Constitution and the country!" Seems a little...um... off-kiter.
Posted by: Foxfier at September 30, 2009 02:21 PM (OtIqW)
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A correction: William McKinley, a Republican, was president when the Wilmington Insurrection took place in 1898.
Posted by: Don, the Rebel without a Blog at September 30, 2009 02:24 PM (tcrAf)
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Gore Vidal believes the American people are too stupid to worship on the throne of Obama? Typical elitist mentality! Quite frankly I, and many like me, normal working class people, arrived at the conclusion that Obama is not particularly bright. His many teleprompter controlled speaches sounded very sophmoric and vague. His non prompted responses to questions
were not very well thought out or intelligent. He sounded more preachy than thoughtful and has
a lot to learn about the real world. Many very intelligent people like Gore Vidal believed in this fairy tale, so who is the dumb one?
Military coup?? Never happen. We the people will be Obama's undoing. Along with his pipe dream utopia influenced policies. Any of these policies which are passed into law, which I hope will be none, will be repealed.
Paul
were not very well thought out or intelligent. He sounded more preachy than thoughtful and has
a lot to learn about the real world. Many very intelligent people like Gore Vidal believed in this fairy tale, so who is the dumb one?
Military coup?? Never happen. We the people will be Obama's undoing. Along with his pipe dream utopia influenced policies. Any of these policies which are passed into law, which I hope will be none, will be repealed.
Paul
Posted by: Paul Kanesky at September 30, 2009 03:17 PM (rCmYM)
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I consider this, along with recent comments by Gore Vidal and Thomas Friedman, a fascinating and somewhat frightening insight into how the leftist mind is interpreting what is happening right now, and how the left continues to utterly fail to comprehend the source and nature of the opposition to their schemes. I'm not entirely sure that they are capable of understanding.
I am quite comfortable concluding that Perry is a leftist because he worked in the department of Health and Human Services under Carter.
In other words, I think it entirely possible that Perry is yet another agent provocateur.
Or, he could just be an idiot.
I am quite comfortable concluding that Perry is a leftist because he worked in the department of Health and Human Services under Carter.
In other words, I think it entirely possible that Perry is yet another agent provocateur.
Or, he could just be an idiot.
Posted by: filbert at September 30, 2009 03:19 PM (oVl3l)
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I find your assertion that the man is a leftist based on the fact that 30 and 40 years ago he worked in a Democratic administration to be without merit. Mr. Perry has been writing for Newsmax, a conservative website, since 1999. The name of his column is "Right Angles." A brief scan of the titles of his columns indicates he is a conservative. Perhaps he was always so, or not, but there is a ton of evidence he espouses conservative thought. He has a column on Newsmax, which I don't think anyone here beleives is some sort of communist front.
Please, just disavow this traitor from your movement and return to rational debate. He insulted the servicemen and women of this country by stating that they would break their oath to uphold the constitution. That is his true sin.
Please, just disavow this traitor from your movement and return to rational debate. He insulted the servicemen and women of this country by stating that they would break their oath to uphold the constitution. That is his true sin.
Posted by: Rob W at September 30, 2009 03:40 PM (L009T)
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By your logic, Reagan was still a liberal when he changed parties in 1962 because 30 years earlier he was a Democratic supporter of Roosevelt and the New Deal.
Posted by: barr at September 30, 2009 03:49 PM (5OEha)
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I understand that conservatives want to distance themselves from like-minded nutjobs, but this Perry fellow is a conservative, a far-right one at that.
It's kind of facile to suggest that because he worked for a Democratic administration, oh, 40 years ago, that he is a liberal. He writes for a fringe right website and his column is entitled "Right Angles."
You are really insulting the intelligence of your regular readers and I know you don't really believe he is "left."
It's kind of facile to suggest that because he worked for a Democratic administration, oh, 40 years ago, that he is a liberal. He writes for a fringe right website and his column is entitled "Right Angles."
You are really insulting the intelligence of your regular readers and I know you don't really believe he is "left."
Posted by: John S. at September 30, 2009 04:14 PM (X1rqU)
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I don't claim to know the first thing about Mr. Perry. I can only relate what he states in his own bio, where he was very active in state and national politics as a Democrat for much of his adult life in politics, and also belonged to a left wing think tank. I don't doubt that people can change, I just don't see any solid evidence that he has radically shifted, simply because he strongly opposes President Obama's continuing series of gaffes and missteps. Many Democrats dislike him, with Hillary Clinton supporters in particular being among Obama's most vehement enemies.
And for the record, merely writing for NewsMax is hardly proof of someone's political alliances. Dick Morris, Susan Estrich, Ed Koch, and Lanny Davis are all Democrats who write for NewsMax.
And for the record, merely writing for NewsMax is hardly proof of someone's political alliances. Dick Morris, Susan Estrich, Ed Koch, and Lanny Davis are all Democrats who write for NewsMax.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at September 30, 2009 04:42 PM (gAi9Z)
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One last thought: if Perry really has completely shifted his political views, and now merely writes radical and dishonest propaganda to attack his former allies, doesn't that make him David Brock of Media Matters?
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at September 30, 2009 04:47 PM (gAi9Z)
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OK…I condemn this article.
But…he covers many points that are very high in the worries of many people in the U.S. some of them already proven true, some speculated at and others that are more worthy of being scare tactics than anything else.
But his premise of the Military being involved in or the method of salvation or revolution is wrong, and wrong-headed.
Now I can see ex-U.S. Military involved in coming back and running for office in their states or even national offices. I can see x-Mil joining organizations such as The Oath Keepers. I can see x-Mil coming back and setting up local militias, and going to Tea Parties and even speaking at them. I can see them going door to door getting out the vote to get Obama and the Democrats out of office.
I can also see as a last resort, mass resignations of Officers in our Military services.
But in the bitter end, if salvation or revolution is needed for the preservation and protection of this Republic, it will fall to each citizen to stand up, load up and march forward to do it.
Papa Ray
Central Texas
The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed - where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.
2009 Judge Alex Kozinski
But…he covers many points that are very high in the worries of many people in the U.S. some of them already proven true, some speculated at and others that are more worthy of being scare tactics than anything else.
But his premise of the Military being involved in or the method of salvation or revolution is wrong, and wrong-headed.
Now I can see ex-U.S. Military involved in coming back and running for office in their states or even national offices. I can see x-Mil joining organizations such as The Oath Keepers. I can see x-Mil coming back and setting up local militias, and going to Tea Parties and even speaking at them. I can see them going door to door getting out the vote to get Obama and the Democrats out of office.
I can also see as a last resort, mass resignations of Officers in our Military services.
But in the bitter end, if salvation or revolution is needed for the preservation and protection of this Republic, it will fall to each citizen to stand up, load up and march forward to do it.
Papa Ray
Central Texas
The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed - where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.
2009 Judge Alex Kozinski
Posted by: Papa Ray at September 30, 2009 04:49 PM (JpVJn)
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Right, Confederate Yankee. A cursory glance at his archived articles from the past decade reveals the writings of a true blue liberal Democrat.
http://archive.newsmax.com/pundits/archives/John_L._Perry-archive.shtml
It's practically fit to print on the Daily Kos!
http://archive.newsmax.com/pundits/archives/John_L._Perry-archive.shtml
It's practically fit to print on the Daily Kos!
Posted by: John S. at September 30, 2009 04:54 PM (X1rqU)
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"It's practically fit to print on the Daily Kos"
Really?
"So enough already of referring to the likes of Boxer, Pelosi et al as "liberals." That's the cover that Cold War communists operated under. It's the camouflage that today's inheritors of the Trotskyite philosophy relish.
How happy they must be making Joe McCarthy, posthumously.
It's time these Typhoid Mary carriers of this mutant virus of Trotskyism were understood for, and called, what they really are – leftover lefties who just can't say farewell to the Marxist god that failed the whole sorry lot of them."
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/10/130523.shtml
(I am not defending the guy, but he seems more blue dog than true blue...)
Really?
"So enough already of referring to the likes of Boxer, Pelosi et al as "liberals." That's the cover that Cold War communists operated under. It's the camouflage that today's inheritors of the Trotskyite philosophy relish.
How happy they must be making Joe McCarthy, posthumously.
It's time these Typhoid Mary carriers of this mutant virus of Trotskyism were understood for, and called, what they really are – leftover lefties who just can't say farewell to the Marxist god that failed the whole sorry lot of them."
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/10/130523.shtml
(I am not defending the guy, but he seems more blue dog than true blue...)
Posted by: jpeditor at September 30, 2009 05:17 PM (g5AOi)
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Bob,
TPM has the full text.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/09/full_text_of_newsmax_column_suggesting_military_co.php
TPM has the full text.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/09/full_text_of_newsmax_column_suggesting_military_co.php
Posted by: Kathy Kattenburg at September 30, 2009 05:24 PM (Tdz5k)
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Sounds like this Perry is a Dick Morris wannabe.
Posted by: Lipiwitz at September 30, 2009 05:33 PM (OX5qU)
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This is the kind of stuff that helps despotism to take root. The fear of toppling the government brings on more repression.
Posted by: Neo at September 30, 2009 06:08 PM (tE8FB)
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I have to agree with Neo.
Out of the thunderous madness comes a single voice:
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/09/29/silence-equals-assent-why-pointing-out-conservative-lunacy-must-be-done/
This is a great blog posting. I happen to agree and appreciate the two party system. It ain't perfect but it's what we got and it needs to work.
Out of the thunderous madness comes a single voice:
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/09/29/silence-equals-assent-why-pointing-out-conservative-lunacy-must-be-done/
This is a great blog posting. I happen to agree and appreciate the two party system. It ain't perfect but it's what we got and it needs to work.
Posted by: Lipiwitz at September 30, 2009 06:34 PM (OX5qU)
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>>"Out of the thunderous madness comes a single voice"
When will a single voice come from the thunderous madness on the left to attack the lefts insanity, including calls for Bush to be assasinated?
When will Lipshits decry Rep Greysons comments?
Rick Moran is the rights equivalent of John Perry.
When will a single voice come from the thunderous madness on the left to attack the lefts insanity, including calls for Bush to be assasinated?
When will Lipshits decry Rep Greysons comments?
Rick Moran is the rights equivalent of John Perry.
Posted by: Steve at September 30, 2009 07:17 PM (2SRpL)
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Damn, I was hoping he was right. If one understands what Ayers, Alinsky, Glen Jones and the other radicals Obama believes in, associates with and represents. His admiration for Hugo Chevez, Castro and other dictators, and the direction he seems to be taking the nation. The military option seems a bright light of hope.
Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at September 30, 2009 07:53 PM (qEAEW)
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>>"I understand that conservatives want to distance themselves from like-minded nutjobs"
When can we expct the LEFT to distance themselves from like-minded nutjobs?
This is why I don't approve of what CY is doing here. The left will gladly accept the rights condemnaton of this, while defending people like Bill Ayers or Van Jones. Or Jimmy Carter, for that matter. All of whom are a lot more central to the modern left than Perry is to the right.
When can we expct the LEFT to distance themselves from like-minded nutjobs?
This is why I don't approve of what CY is doing here. The left will gladly accept the rights condemnaton of this, while defending people like Bill Ayers or Van Jones. Or Jimmy Carter, for that matter. All of whom are a lot more central to the modern left than Perry is to the right.
Posted by: Steve at September 30, 2009 08:33 PM (skt70)
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>>"He insulted the servicemen and women of this country by stating that they would break their oath to uphold the constitution."
What happens if upholding the Constitution requires them to go against Americas politicians? That is no longer a mere theoretical question.
>>"Please, just disavow this traitor from your movement"
Your demand would sit better if you had been here disavowing ACORN and Van Jones recently. Both were and are far more influential than Perry.
What happens if upholding the Constitution requires them to go against Americas politicians? That is no longer a mere theoretical question.
>>"Please, just disavow this traitor from your movement"
Your demand would sit better if you had been here disavowing ACORN and Van Jones recently. Both were and are far more influential than Perry.
Posted by: Steve at September 30, 2009 08:38 PM (skt70)
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However remote the possibility of our military stepping in to remove an administration trashing the constitution, the fears by the Obama administration of just this possibility probably goes a long way to explain their immediate and continuing condemnation of the Honduran government's and military's removal of their own marxist usurper.
Posted by: Spartan79 at September 30, 2009 10:14 PM (0IRlO)
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Not an official Newsmax max column. Set of by Gore Vidal's brain dead reasoning pointing out another form of massive right wing conspiracy as Clinton did a few days ago. "Scrubbed" as if sites like the Huffington Post do this almost daily to keep its kooks at bay. For sure with this one instance in hand, the leftist hounds will over abuse this try to portray it as mainstream "teabagger" thinking. However in the end leftists will see poll numbers for their side of the political equation fall as a result, by reason a new right leaning internet-Fox News network reaches the same number as the left wing-media-internet-Hollywood network. In addition conservatives outnumber rabid Liberals by a two to one margin, with 40% leaning independently in the middle, who are now becoming very aware how the left uses hyper inflated insult and feigned "concerns" to press what are mostly overreached nonsensical conspiracy theories.
Germane to this, military intervention is a very remote possibility. A trigger point being a much higher bar than what Obama has done so far. The Honduran situation a disturbing example of the leanings of our useful idiot in chief still does not mean he is going to invite Hugo Chavez to America to head the FBI, or take over Hillary Clinton's job. He "only" nationalized a few banks, two of the big three car manufacturers, don't hyperventilate...
What would trigger military intervention would be a direct attack on constitutional freedoms in the Bill of Rights, free speech, seizing private property, arresting individuals, all without due process under law for a citizen's political opinion. Maybe the bar would be as high as Administration officials ordering execution of Obama's opponents without using courts. Slightly less likely would have Obama leaving men in the field of battle without adequate support or defined mission for an extended time allowing US troops to be slaughtered on an altar of political sensibilities. A third reason maybe at 10% probability, looming, is Patrick Leahy's attempt to stack Federal courts with 60 odd new positions. That IS an attack on the constitutional checks and balances. Without State ok by 2/3rds majority I don't think this is constitutional. Unaccountable to anyone, appointed by radical progressives elected under a guise of being "moderate" this could trigger considerable angst in and out of the military.
It is important to remember all recent impost of this kind of government power on citizens stems from leftist socialist regimes, not right wing ones that support capitalism. It is also a point the author of this is not a well known mainstream proponent of right wing causes aka a Glenn Beck, or Rush Limbaugh. One only has to look at what John Kerry said about Vietnam's "re-education camps" to know draconian methods of dealing with political opponents never far out of mainstream leftist thoughts.
It is clear now his book "Dreams of my Father" was ghost written by Bill Ayers, which tears it for me, I will never be voting at even the local level for a Democrat again. Nor will I listen to "reasoned debate" from people working for, or linked to places like CBS, except in the vein of taking note of the lie of the day. This Olympics fling an indicator we are now governed by a corrupt, not to bright, quasi marxist leaning President whose IQ is even probably the lowest of all Presidents since Cleveland.
I look forward now to the W recovery Obama is going to give us. The second recession will be worse than this one, and longer, starting as Greenspan estimates, by late next year. This will inform American voters once and for all the failings of socialist policies. No amount of media-White House spin will mask it, clear examples of Obama administration corruption on top of it. Look for a rout of Democrats over the next two elections. Obama a one term wonder, lovingly referred to by a Sarah Palin type populist conservative as Carter II.
Germane to this, military intervention is a very remote possibility. A trigger point being a much higher bar than what Obama has done so far. The Honduran situation a disturbing example of the leanings of our useful idiot in chief still does not mean he is going to invite Hugo Chavez to America to head the FBI, or take over Hillary Clinton's job. He "only" nationalized a few banks, two of the big three car manufacturers, don't hyperventilate...
What would trigger military intervention would be a direct attack on constitutional freedoms in the Bill of Rights, free speech, seizing private property, arresting individuals, all without due process under law for a citizen's political opinion. Maybe the bar would be as high as Administration officials ordering execution of Obama's opponents without using courts. Slightly less likely would have Obama leaving men in the field of battle without adequate support or defined mission for an extended time allowing US troops to be slaughtered on an altar of political sensibilities. A third reason maybe at 10% probability, looming, is Patrick Leahy's attempt to stack Federal courts with 60 odd new positions. That IS an attack on the constitutional checks and balances. Without State ok by 2/3rds majority I don't think this is constitutional. Unaccountable to anyone, appointed by radical progressives elected under a guise of being "moderate" this could trigger considerable angst in and out of the military.
It is important to remember all recent impost of this kind of government power on citizens stems from leftist socialist regimes, not right wing ones that support capitalism. It is also a point the author of this is not a well known mainstream proponent of right wing causes aka a Glenn Beck, or Rush Limbaugh. One only has to look at what John Kerry said about Vietnam's "re-education camps" to know draconian methods of dealing with political opponents never far out of mainstream leftist thoughts.
It is clear now his book "Dreams of my Father" was ghost written by Bill Ayers, which tears it for me, I will never be voting at even the local level for a Democrat again. Nor will I listen to "reasoned debate" from people working for, or linked to places like CBS, except in the vein of taking note of the lie of the day. This Olympics fling an indicator we are now governed by a corrupt, not to bright, quasi marxist leaning President whose IQ is even probably the lowest of all Presidents since Cleveland.
I look forward now to the W recovery Obama is going to give us. The second recession will be worse than this one, and longer, starting as Greenspan estimates, by late next year. This will inform American voters once and for all the failings of socialist policies. No amount of media-White House spin will mask it, clear examples of Obama administration corruption on top of it. Look for a rout of Democrats over the next two elections. Obama a one term wonder, lovingly referred to by a Sarah Palin type populist conservative as Carter II.
Posted by: Pat at September 30, 2009 11:53 PM (9/6KL)
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Steve, you kind of just make things up as you go along huh? There's not a snowball's chance in Hell I'll decry Grayson's comments until you decry Palin's death panel comments or Grassley's "pull the plug on Grandma" comments or Bachmann's death comments or any of the other death scare tactics and comments we've been bombarded with from Republicans for the past 3 months. Zero! Zilch! Nada! Dry hump squirt son! Damn proud of Grayson and it's about damn time a Democrat with a spine gave the Republicans a taste of their own medicine. And Steve, who the hell is Bill Ayers? Some ex-convict from like 40 years ago? Your obsession, not ours. And it's only your obsession because Jesus Palin told you to obsess over it. If it wasn't for her, you probably wouldn't know who he or any of the other names you mentioned. You're an obedient echo chamber Steve but your opinion generators are on new talking points now and you have to be a little quicker at indoctrinating yourself with them if you're gonna keep up.
Hey Pat, did Alex Jones send you? Wow, you are paranoid. It's quite "draconian" of you and people like you who refuse to recognize the American democratic process of the will of the American people. The will of the American people who have gladly embraced people who you categorize with your paranoid "Leftist" conspiracy theories. The American people who rejected you, period. I suggest you pack your bags and go live in a Socialist country for a while. When you return, you may have a better appreciation of your country you claim you're proud of and not be such a paranoid spoiled brat. Oh and for the record, Greenspan was one of the major factors as to why we have this recession so pick and choose who you idolize in your "Obama failure fantasies" more carefully. You and your right-wing draconian fascist GW worshipin' Palin idolizin' Glenn Beck followin' regimes may actually start winning elections again (if you manage to find someone who can actually lead).
Zelsdorf, you're always hoping "other" people are right. Can't think or take action yourself? You're not alone. In fact, most people like yourself are always waiting for "other" people. Keep waiting (but don't hold your breath). "The military option seems a bright light of hope" -- You're kidding me right? How about f##king DEMOCRACY as hope? How about finding somebody who can actually lead instead of whining about the Left and the mainstream media and all the other rants you throw thumb-sucking tantrums about? How about finding somebody who can win back the millions of votes you lost in the past 2 election cycles rather than obsessing over 70 year old "coup throwing" domestic terrorists and freakin' ACORN? How about having a leader that can win back the confidence of their supporters rather than a bunch of idiots on TV, radio and blogs? You talk a lot about revolutions and wanting to force some regime change but at least Ayers had the balls to do it.
Hey Pat, did Alex Jones send you? Wow, you are paranoid. It's quite "draconian" of you and people like you who refuse to recognize the American democratic process of the will of the American people. The will of the American people who have gladly embraced people who you categorize with your paranoid "Leftist" conspiracy theories. The American people who rejected you, period. I suggest you pack your bags and go live in a Socialist country for a while. When you return, you may have a better appreciation of your country you claim you're proud of and not be such a paranoid spoiled brat. Oh and for the record, Greenspan was one of the major factors as to why we have this recession so pick and choose who you idolize in your "Obama failure fantasies" more carefully. You and your right-wing draconian fascist GW worshipin' Palin idolizin' Glenn Beck followin' regimes may actually start winning elections again (if you manage to find someone who can actually lead).
Zelsdorf, you're always hoping "other" people are right. Can't think or take action yourself? You're not alone. In fact, most people like yourself are always waiting for "other" people. Keep waiting (but don't hold your breath). "The military option seems a bright light of hope" -- You're kidding me right? How about f##king DEMOCRACY as hope? How about finding somebody who can actually lead instead of whining about the Left and the mainstream media and all the other rants you throw thumb-sucking tantrums about? How about finding somebody who can win back the millions of votes you lost in the past 2 election cycles rather than obsessing over 70 year old "coup throwing" domestic terrorists and freakin' ACORN? How about having a leader that can win back the confidence of their supporters rather than a bunch of idiots on TV, radio and blogs? You talk a lot about revolutions and wanting to force some regime change but at least Ayers had the balls to do it.
Posted by: Lipiwitz at October 01, 2009 04:26 AM (bhNGz)
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That's the sort of rant I've come to expect from Ayers wannabe Lipiwitz. It's hard to distill that much crazy in one comment, but you did it. Nicely done.
My favorite line is: "Dry hump squirt son!"
What a weirdo.
My favorite line is: "Dry hump squirt son!"
What a weirdo.
Posted by: brando at October 01, 2009 09:23 AM (IPGju)
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Lippy's a loon.
But it says something about the other liberal readers here that they don't repudiate him, that they don't "disavow this traitor from {their} movement" as they want us to do with Perry.
But it says something about the other liberal readers here that they don't repudiate him, that they don't "disavow this traitor from {their} movement" as they want us to do with Perry.
Posted by: Steve at October 01, 2009 03:33 PM (rxQ0a)
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Wellll, it seems to me that the reason that "The Left" has not disavowed Messrs. Carter's and Grayson's statements is that they are 100% true. And Mr. Perry is clearly a man of the Right. So, how is that it become's our fault that you rightwingers can't acknowledge that at least one of your writers is either batshit crazy or guilty of sedition? Welcome to what we like to call "Reality." And to the proprietor: there's a new invention called "Google" which would help your research efforts immensely.
Posted by: Epicurus at October 01, 2009 03:59 PM (4onRb)
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Anybody got a clue where Mr. Perry is from?
http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=Perry&fname=John
http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=Perry&fname=John
Posted by: Foxfier at October 01, 2009 04:50 PM (OtIqW)
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>>"it seems to me that the reason that "The Left" has not disavowed Messrs. Carter's and Grayson's statements is that they are 100% true. ...Welcome to what we like to call "Reality.""
I notice that what you like to call "Reality" looks a lot like a really bad acid trip.
FYI, old people agree with the Republicans about the lefts health care plans. They must not have dropped the same acid you did.
I notice that what you like to call "Reality" looks a lot like a really bad acid trip.
FYI, old people agree with the Republicans about the lefts health care plans. They must not have dropped the same acid you did.
Posted by: Steve at October 01, 2009 05:42 PM (50jiK)
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Epicurus - I'm not too happy with your man Fred Phelps either.
Posted by: daleyrocks at October 01, 2009 06:28 PM (3O5/e)
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Five corporations attempted a coup during FDR's presidency, but failed when one of the generals that they approached informed the proper authorities of the plan. Congress put on a dog and pony show, and no one was held accountable. Apparently, no one wanted to upset the superior humans who ran the corporations.
Posted by: gc_wall at October 01, 2009 11:05 PM (9NiSa)
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Brando, Steve -- You're the Ayers wannabes talking all the Weatherman ideology of revolutions and coups and taking back the nation and secession. Step up like Ayers did. Heck, give him a call and he'll show you how it's done!
Disavow a traitor -- How about 60,000 batsh#t loonies who refuse to accept our democratically elected officials and keep talking Weatherman ideology of revolutions, coups and secession like...oh...lets say...tea-baggers and birthers? Round them all up and bring them before your death panels and make them pay the sentence of your right-wing ideology of justice. Just pretend they were all Liberals and then you'd care about treason.
Disavow a traitor -- How about 60,000 batsh#t loonies who refuse to accept our democratically elected officials and keep talking Weatherman ideology of revolutions, coups and secession like...oh...lets say...tea-baggers and birthers? Round them all up and bring them before your death panels and make them pay the sentence of your right-wing ideology of justice. Just pretend they were all Liberals and then you'd care about treason.
Posted by: Lipiwitz at October 02, 2009 04:14 AM (bhNGz)
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We are pretty sure Lipiwitz isn't a troll, right?
I mean, he's annoying, yes, and "trolling" for reactions, but seems to believe the garbage he throws......
I mean, he's annoying, yes, and "trolling" for reactions, but seems to believe the garbage he throws......
Posted by: Foxfier at October 02, 2009 10:10 AM (OtIqW)
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Confederate Yankee: "I don't claim to know the first thing about Mr. Perry."
Actually, you did know one initial fact, that this column was in Newsmax. A right-wing publication.
Actually, you did know one initial fact, that this column was in Newsmax. A right-wing publication.
Posted by: Barry at October 02, 2009 03:15 PM (HaPIL)
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Why is it that people who throw reasonable debate are called trolls? And why is it that debates are always won by having childish responses that consist of insults usually found in a playground? Foxfier, any idea or are you just gonna give me a noogie or a wedgie?
Posted by: Lipiwitz at October 02, 2009 06:49 PM (OX5qU)
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"Why is it that people who throw reasonable debate are called trolls?"
Lippy - Why don't you alert CY when you plan on having a reasonable debate and stop throwing around childish insults and contentless comments? That would be fun to watch but I doubt you can do it - you haven't demonstrated the intellectual chops so far that I've seen.
Lippy - Why don't you alert CY when you plan on having a reasonable debate and stop throwing around childish insults and contentless comments? That would be fun to watch but I doubt you can do it - you haven't demonstrated the intellectual chops so far that I've seen.
Posted by: daleyrocks at October 02, 2009 08:04 PM (3O5/e)
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Lipiwits-
Your debating skills are as dazzling as your English skills.
You might "throw a reasonable debate," or "offer a reasonable debate" or several other ways of phrasing whatever you're trying to say-- as it stands, your question is incomprehensible without corrections that can greatly change the meaning.
Your debating skills are as dazzling as your English skills.
You might "throw a reasonable debate," or "offer a reasonable debate" or several other ways of phrasing whatever you're trying to say-- as it stands, your question is incomprehensible without corrections that can greatly change the meaning.
Posted by: Foxfier at October 02, 2009 09:21 PM (OtIqW)
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lol
Posted by: Lipiwitz at October 03, 2009 12:14 AM (bhNGz)
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