1 Yes but at least we've seen his birth certificate to debunk a NEW infamous petition from brand new, even bigger morons. LOL

2 Lipiwitz, if you think that group of nuts arguing over the country of their President's birth is anywhere close to being on par (much less "even bigger") with accusing the previous President, Vice President, and literally hundreds of others of being involved in allowing (or directly causing) thousands of American to die a gruesome death in order to create a justification for an even bloodier series of war, then you have huge, huge issues.

3 Lipiwitz. Jeez. Do you ever wonder why so many people are disgusted by Liberals? It's because of crap like that. 9/11 really brings the LOLs for you.

I'll file that in the memory banks. You're not a good person.

4 They can't be too disgusted with Liberals or their issues, they voted us in majority control didn't they?

5 NWOR Lib

6 >>"at least we've seen his birth certificate"


Who is this "his"? Did you bother to read the post before depositiong your little nuggets all over the place?

7 "They can't be too disgusted with Liberals or their issues, they voted us in majority control didn't they?" We'll have another election in 2010 and that mistake may be corrected. If the Democrat majority is turned out, will you accept that as a judgment of the voters or lament how they are having a mere tantrum? One thing I've noticed about libs is how well they rationalize defeat. They never lose. Elections are stolen, voters are mislead and beguiled, but liberals never lose on the merits of their ideology or the weakness of their ideas.

8 I knew it. Lipiwitz thinks that the vast majority of people are all LOLz about 9/11. Maybe he's right. Even though I'm on the minority on this one, I know I'm the correct minority. Mass murder isn't funny to me, but I'm not a Liberal.

9 Um, are we reading the same article? I don't see a lot of those signatories "convinced the Bush Administration let 9/11 happen" -- instead I'm reading a lot of people who think that the 9/11 Commission did a very substandard job of investigating the tragedy. You don't need to be a tinfoil conspiracy theorist to hold that view. If you don't see a difference between those positions you're being willfully blind.

10 >>"Um, are we reading the same article? I don't see a lot of those signatories "convinced the Bush Administration let 9/11 happen"



Are you reading the article which says that "high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur"?

11 It does say that, Pennypacker. How do you reconcile that?

12 I'm reading the Salon article that CY references which supposedly shows that all of Van Jones's peers believe the Bush administration planned 9/11. The one with quotes like this one:

Since when did Salon permit Glenn Beck and the almost equally loony WSJ editorial page to set the terms of discussion, calling those who want answers to so much that remains unexplained about 9/11 "truthers" and thus giving them equivalence with "birthers," "deathers" and "tea baggers"?

Or this one:

The petition, as I signed it, was essentially recommending that an independent investigation take place. I felt at the time, and still feel, that with events of such monumental importance as this, the more light that can be shed the better. I do not believe that the official 9/11 Commission Report addressed many of the most important questions about the events. Nevertheless, I have no ongoing association with the 9/11 Truthers.

Or this:

First of all, the statement asks for a new inquiry into 9/11. That is hardly an insane demand, considering the many obstacles and limitations that prevented the 9/11 Commission from doing a proper job. That body was deliberately enfeebled by Bush/Cheney: grossly underfunded ($3 million -- while, for example, the budget for the study of the Challenger disaster was $50 million, and Whitewater cost over $40 million); granted no subpoena power; forced to rush the process; denied all sorts of vital information; and otherwise slowed down, fouled up, kept in the dark. (I write at length about Bush/Cheney's varied efforts to prevent, then hobble, the Commission in my book "Cruel and Unusual," pp. 33ff.)

These aren't people alleging that Bush had any foreknowledge of the terrorist plan. These are people who thought the 9/11 Commission did a poor job.

13 Red Herring Fallacy