At What Point, Revolt?
Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her Democratic allies in the House of Representatives rammed through a massive, $787 billion dollar stimulus bill, without one Representative reading it. Majority Leader Harry Reid forced it through the Senate, and President Obama signed the massive spending bill into law. To date it has had no positive effect on the economy, and many economists suggest it may be causing damage over the long run.
Speaker Pelosi and her Democratic allied in the House rammed through cap-and-trade legislation based upon heavily disputed "climate change" junk science that will send energy prices soaring and cost the nation billions of dollars. Again, not one Representative read the bill before it was voted upon. The Senate has not yet voted on the bill, though if they do, the President is eager to sign it into law. And now we find that Pelosi and her allies, dutifully bowing and scraping to our neophyte President's every uninformed ideological whim, once again intend to ram thorough another bill, sight unseen. This time Pelosi and her cabal of liberal Democrats are attempting to force through a massive bill to socialize American healthcare before their August vacation. When has it ever been best to force through life-altering decisions at a breakneck pace? Why are this Congress, this Speaker, this Majority Leader, and this President utterly unwilling to study, debate, and review legislation that will change the lives of hundreds of millions of Americans for decades into the future? Do they care about what is best for Americans, at all? The actions of the far left "progressive" leaders of our nation's federal government an the antithesis of how the Founding Fathers wanted our country to run. Speaker Pelosi presents us with irrational and rushed mob rule. Harry Reid is only slightly less radical in the Senate. And in the White House, we have a neophyte, a sepia-toned Dorian Gray high on his adoring press, who uses his eloquence to paper over the fetid core of ideological beliefs that rotted nations and generations in the past century. Barack Obama, adored by the press and dismissed by the world's leaders, presides over the largest debt in our nation's history and plans to spend even more as our nation enters a full-fledged economic depression, a depression made only worse by his poor decision-making and not assuaged by his empty platitudes. How much more will we take—how much more should we take—before we declare they've done enough harm? Will coming elections rectify such gross incompetence? Can we wait for 2012 or 2016 to remove those that will tear this nation apart? These are the questions lurking in the hearts of many Americans as we speak. If reason cannot find a way to reimpose itself in the House, the Senate, and the White House, I fear we may soon find out after some have reached their breaking point.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 12:49 PM
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Posted by: Brian L. at July 24, 2009 03:10 PM (u26li)
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I feel that the 2010 Electioins will be the "tipping point" one way or another. We should prepare for the worst, while hoping for the best.
Posted by: Wolfman George at July 24, 2009 03:39 PM (R99J5)
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When in the course of human events...
If they think their phone lines, and T1s were burning up during the Great Immigration Skedaddle, I think we may see entire states simply stop doing business with Washington. The heartland can survive a lot longer without whatever it is they do in those white buildings in Washington than the other way around., and it's high time both sides found that out.
If they think their phone lines, and T1s were burning up during the Great Immigration Skedaddle, I think we may see entire states simply stop doing business with Washington. The heartland can survive a lot longer without whatever it is they do in those white buildings in Washington than the other way around., and it's high time both sides found that out.
Posted by: Bill Smith at July 24, 2009 04:03 PM (mGjVF)
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SUPP0RT THE 10TH AMENDMENT!
Posted by: zhombre at July 24, 2009 05:11 PM (n/lU+)
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Just wow!
Some of us crazed "Right-Wing Extremists" have been wondering about things like this for a while, but to just come out and say it like that?
I just started buying ammo and keeping my mouth pretty much shut a good while ago. I'd recommend both courses of action for a little while yet, at least.
I don't plan on getting insane until after the next Congressional elections, at least. Once embarked upon, such a course is fairly well irrevocable, and could get a lot of folks dead, win or lose.
If, however, Acorn manages to steal the 2010 elections, I'll be equipped.
And that's all I'm going to say about it.
Some of us crazed "Right-Wing Extremists" have been wondering about things like this for a while, but to just come out and say it like that?
I just started buying ammo and keeping my mouth pretty much shut a good while ago. I'd recommend both courses of action for a little while yet, at least.
I don't plan on getting insane until after the next Congressional elections, at least. Once embarked upon, such a course is fairly well irrevocable, and could get a lot of folks dead, win or lose.
If, however, Acorn manages to steal the 2010 elections, I'll be equipped.
And that's all I'm going to say about it.
Posted by: jefferson101 at July 24, 2009 07:45 PM (hym18)
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The guy won an election. That's the way America works. If you don't like it, move somewhere else. Poland, Israel, Central America and most of the middle east would be a great place for you gun-toting, small government types. LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!
Posted by: Moriarity at July 24, 2009 07:51 PM (znAs1)
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Let me remind you of the reason FOR the 2A. "When in the course of human events...". The specific reason, and the statements of the Founding Fathers, was in case the government got to be the way the one they'd just booted got. And that's why the Dems have tried for 80 years to destroy it.
Posted by: cmblake6 at July 24, 2009 08:53 PM (i174V)
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Heard a great comment about Pelosi the other night: "One more face-lift, and she's going to have a beard".
Posted by: jim at July 24, 2009 11:27 PM (ichmB)
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Moriarity, if you want marxism move. I don't and if you try to force it upon me I will remove the threat to my freedom anyway I can. Don 't take this wrong, but I have popped a few caps, thanks to Uncle Sam, in the general direction of communists in the past. I do not need a community organizer telling me what kind of car I should buy, what gases I can produce or what kind of car I can drive. If I have to go to DC there will be hell to pay.
Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at July 25, 2009 12:15 AM (TNueP)
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"Heard a great comment about Pelosi the other night: "One more face-lift, and she's going to have a beard".
OMG!
In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny, "I'm dyyyyinnn'!"
OMG!
In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny, "I'm dyyyyinnn'!"
Posted by: Wolfman George at July 25, 2009 01:10 AM (R99J5)
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Palin 2011 that is all I have to say to that!
Posted by: Seasaw at July 25, 2009 01:27 AM (QCCm7)
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The Debtocraps are creating a Depression that exceeds their first foray into monopoly politics. This time, they have the added benefits of wholly owned unions, ACORN, and the urban welfare Democrat machines. They are planning on a multi-decade control of all the levers of government. But first they need to kill the economy. Once you're on their breadlines, your opposition will quite reasonably fade. Not to mind though, there's a ready job for you in Americorps.
Unless you're old, that is. For you, there's a eugenics counselor.
Unless you're old, that is. For you, there's a eugenics counselor.
Posted by: Before Gore Kneel at July 25, 2009 04:42 AM (wREmy)
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You guys crack me up. A couple days ago I learned here that I need to be sure to not shout at the police in my house because I must respect authority. Today it's all about what to do if the "wrong" side keeps winning elections, In that case it will be time to start shooting up the place because citizens rights must surely trump any kind of governmental interference with their lives. It must be dizzying to have your heads spin like that on a daily basis.
And this is all because the Democrats in the White House *may* try and give you the same health care plan they have while taxing you at the same rate, or lower, than you were taxed under Reagan. The British were just *slightly* more oppressive than that in 1776.
And this is all because the Democrats in the White House *may* try and give you the same health care plan they have while taxing you at the same rate, or lower, than you were taxed under Reagan. The British were just *slightly* more oppressive than that in 1776.
Posted by: Jim at July 25, 2009 12:21 PM (YGGU4)
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Great Article!
Jefferson 101 stated exactly what I and many of my friends are doing. We hope for the best, but we'll be prepared for the worst.
Jim at July 25, 200902:57pm - Can I borrow your crack pipe, I need a break from reality too.
Jefferson 101 stated exactly what I and many of my friends are doing. We hope for the best, but we'll be prepared for the worst.
Jim at July 25, 200902:57pm - Can I borrow your crack pipe, I need a break from reality too.
Posted by: Fleagle at July 25, 2009 03:17 PM (/BVUj)
Posted by: Wolfman George at July 25, 2009 03:58 PM (R99J5)
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@Moriarity: "The guy won an election. That's the way America works. If you don't like it, move somewhere else. Poland, Israel, Central America and most of the middle east would be a great place for you gun-toting, small government types. LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!"
So you're perfectly willing to toss that pesky ol' First Amendment, huh? I don't know, if you don't like the First Amendment, why don't YOU leave?
Liberals never throw up their hands in resignation and declare, "love it or leave it" during Republican administrations, but conservatives are supposed to STFU and GTFO? Ha!
So you're perfectly willing to toss that pesky ol' First Amendment, huh? I don't know, if you don't like the First Amendment, why don't YOU leave?
Liberals never throw up their hands in resignation and declare, "love it or leave it" during Republican administrations, but conservatives are supposed to STFU and GTFO? Ha!
Posted by: DoorHold at July 26, 2009 11:03 AM (I9qGK)
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At what point revolt? Interesting question. When a majority of Americans reject you, your ideology and your elected officials on a local, state and federal level in massive losses for two election cycles in a row, the revolt has already happened buddy. You were on the losing end of the revolt and when the brightest star in your political future is Sarah Baraquitter with a dismal 40% approval waiting, the revolt is sticking. You may want to get a clue. By a program at least.
You're really not smart to revolt but you can try. We look forward to arresting you in your own home for disorderly conduct.
You're really not smart to revolt but you can try. We look forward to arresting you in your own home for disorderly conduct.
Posted by: Lipiwitz at July 26, 2009 07:41 PM (OX5qU)
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Agreed. Further, there is no basis in the Constitution for the Feds to apply either Cap & Trade or Obamacare. That the SCOTUS will back up yet more federal government power grabs is a given. The complete evisceration of the 10th Amendment, making the states merely district managers for the Federal government just punctuates the ongoing centralization of power and the loss of individual liberty. Even Alexander Hamilton would have been horrified.
As a result, government is becoming less legitimate by the week. "Progressive" democrats (welfare state socialists in reality) see an opportunity to take over yet more of our economy and personal freedoms (and no, jimmy, personal freedom does not mean we can cause a public disturbance whenever we wish) and intrude upon more and more of our private life (federal drug laws are a good example of that).
Finally, gerrymandering of congressional districts and biased media have conspired to create an entitled class of politicians whose only attribute is a willingness to pander to every special interest group inside the Beltway while lying to their constituents back home. Refusal to enforce election laws and even encourage vote fraud through fraudulent registrations and refusal to properly identify voters just makes it worse.
The ultimate result is a condition where there exists constant erosion of individual liberty and the aggrandizement of power and privilege to those whose only virtue is either an ability to be elected or an ability to corrupt someone who is elected.
And through all of this, our economy is being destroyed (TARP money that can be committed from all of the associated agencies now equals 24 TRILLION dollars) in order to create a failed top-down economic system that benefits the elite in government while impoverishing everyone else.
So how much longer will people allow this to continue? It isn't enough to have personal firearms (though that helps enormously). Massive civil disobedience on the scale of millions may be required to accomplish what is needed to be done: reduce government, limit the power of the Federal government to pick, adhere to the Constitution.
Agreed. Further, there is no basis in the Constitution for the Feds to apply either Cap & Trade or Obamacare. That the SCOTUS will back up yet more federal government power grabs is a given. The complete evisceration of the 10th Amendment, making the states merely district managers for the Federal government just punctuates the ongoing centralization of power and the loss of individual liberty. Even Alexander Hamilton would have been horrified.
As a result, government is becoming less legitimate by the week. "Progressive" democrats (welfare state socialists in reality) see an opportunity to take over yet more of our economy and personal freedoms (and no, jimmy, personal freedom does not mean we can cause a public disturbance whenever we wish) and intrude upon more and more of our private life (federal drug laws are a good example of that).
Finally, gerrymandering of congressional districts and biased media have conspired to create an entitled class of politicians whose only attribute is a willingness to pander to every special interest group inside the Beltway while lying to their constituents back home. Refusal to enforce election laws and even encourage vote fraud through fraudulent registrations and refusal to properly identify voters just makes it worse.
The ultimate result is a condition where there exists constant erosion of individual liberty and the aggrandizement of power and privilege to those whose only virtue is either an ability to be elected or an ability to corrupt someone who is elected.
And through all of this, our economy is being destroyed (TARP money that can be committed from all of the associated agencies now equals 24 TRILLION dollars) in order to create a failed top-down economic system that benefits the elite in government while impoverishing everyone else.
So how much longer will people allow this to continue? It isn't enough to have personal firearms (though that helps enormously). Massive civil disobedience on the scale of millions may be required to accomplish what is needed to be done: reduce government, limit the power of the Federal government to pick, adhere to the Constitution.
Posted by: iconoclast at July 26, 2009 07:43 PM (O8ebz)
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Any congressman or senator who votes on a bill which he or she has not read, is not representing the voters. That is reason enough to remove that politician from office as soon as possible.
Posted by: Patrick Jensen at July 27, 2009 02:01 AM (or6B8)
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Glad to see some dissenting views, but they seem to lack substance. No real defense for their position. The new president's inexperience is showing and badly. The Congress (which has been in Dem majority for the last 3 yrs) has continued to spend like the proverbial drunken sailor. Oh yes, Republican controlled Congress did the same...just not as fast. With a $1 trillion+ deficit already this year and an $11.6 trillion dollar debt, the problem speaks for itself. There is no money....none. We are in hock to several foreign nations. There is no justification for this....no new spending can be implemented. Why can't people grasp this concept? Look at California and NY if you want to see the impact of mass social programs on government budgets (plus highest taxes in the country). Wait until the end of 3 rd qtr...I believe we will see 11-15% unemployment. Without a massive turn around in policy by winter, we may indeed see rioting in the streets...this would be the beginning.
Posted by: Papa Swamp at July 27, 2009 08:11 AM (FCq18)
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So, what's the answer to our problems? Do you have any logical reasons to think that our problems would disappear if the Republicans were in control, now?
What, specifically, would be different, right now, if we had Republican control of both houses of Congress and the Executive branch? Would "our house" be in better financial shape? Would we have less problems? If so, how would they have accomplished this?
What, specifically, would be different, right now, if we had Republican control of both houses of Congress and the Executive branch? Would "our house" be in better financial shape? Would we have less problems? If so, how would they have accomplished this?
Posted by: Dude at July 27, 2009 02:03 PM (byA+E)
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@Dude
We wouldn't even need Republican control of congress. If John McCain had won last November, we would not have had Porkulus, TARP would have been dramatically smaller, there would have been no theft of GM and Chrysler from the bondholders as a sop to the unions.
In addition, the Congress wouldn't have dared try Cap & Trade, there'd be no discussion of a federal seizure of 1/7 of the U.S Economy (health care).
Other policy differences - we wouldn't have an AG actively contemplating political prosecution of past officials, we wouldn't have a bumbling SoS making a fool of us everywhere, and we wouldn't have had the Presidential Embarrassment that Obama has caused with foreign dignitaries too numerous to count.
But other than that, nothing would be different at all.
We wouldn't even need Republican control of congress. If John McCain had won last November, we would not have had Porkulus, TARP would have been dramatically smaller, there would have been no theft of GM and Chrysler from the bondholders as a sop to the unions.
In addition, the Congress wouldn't have dared try Cap & Trade, there'd be no discussion of a federal seizure of 1/7 of the U.S Economy (health care).
Other policy differences - we wouldn't have an AG actively contemplating political prosecution of past officials, we wouldn't have a bumbling SoS making a fool of us everywhere, and we wouldn't have had the Presidential Embarrassment that Obama has caused with foreign dignitaries too numerous to count.
But other than that, nothing would be different at all.
Posted by: brian at July 27, 2009 08:43 PM (S2j/V)
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Brian,
Though your post does aptly express your political views, it doesn't address my specific questions, other than to name a few things that wouldn't be happening, in your opinion.
Again, would we have less problems? If so, how so? Using logic, how would we be in better shape had McCain won the presidency?
I think it's debatable that McCain would not have done many of the same things in regards to the economy that Obama has done.
Health care........I don't know. I honestly don't know what's the best thing for our country in regards to health care. I do want to see a new system. I want all Americans to have guaranteed health care. BUT, I don't want us to rush into this blindly and fast. I want to hear real discussions from real people. The democrats are making a big mistake to rush these changes. It needs to be done right.
Personally, I like the idea of a govt. run health insurance company that is in direct competition with the private sector. I think that's something to seriously consider, the pros and cons.
Though your post does aptly express your political views, it doesn't address my specific questions, other than to name a few things that wouldn't be happening, in your opinion.
Again, would we have less problems? If so, how so? Using logic, how would we be in better shape had McCain won the presidency?
I think it's debatable that McCain would not have done many of the same things in regards to the economy that Obama has done.
Health care........I don't know. I honestly don't know what's the best thing for our country in regards to health care. I do want to see a new system. I want all Americans to have guaranteed health care. BUT, I don't want us to rush into this blindly and fast. I want to hear real discussions from real people. The democrats are making a big mistake to rush these changes. It needs to be done right.
Personally, I like the idea of a govt. run health insurance company that is in direct competition with the private sector. I think that's something to seriously consider, the pros and cons.
Posted by: Dude at July 27, 2009 10:34 PM (byA+E)
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Do you have any logical reasons to think that our problems would disappear if the Republicans were in control, now?
Not really. The current generation of GOP leaders have lost much of their credibility. While a good start was made back in 2001 with the tax-cut approach to stimulating the economy and a radical approach was taken to deal with the problem of Iraq and Afghanistan, that pretty much ended their run of classically liberal solutions. The GOP then turned into self-interested timeservers whose only virtue were that they were not quite as nuts as Waxman, Pelosi, & co.
Not much to recommend them.
I often wondered why the GOP did not take advantage of many of the smaller government, classic liberal issues that were everywhere. I presume that the seduction of power works on everyone regardless of political label.
wrt healthcare, I wonder if we want to end up with a two-tier system similar to the current Medicare. To get decent treatment while on Medicare, seniors purchase MediGap insurance. So there is a safety net for everyone, but the care is sub-standard, slow, and highly restricted.
With the Medicaid approach, a gap appears between the top of Medicaid and the bottom of affordable health insurance. That gap is larger because of state regulatory overreaching that limits competition (along with the lack of limits on malpractice suits), but it will probably always exist to some extent.
Not really. The current generation of GOP leaders have lost much of their credibility. While a good start was made back in 2001 with the tax-cut approach to stimulating the economy and a radical approach was taken to deal with the problem of Iraq and Afghanistan, that pretty much ended their run of classically liberal solutions. The GOP then turned into self-interested timeservers whose only virtue were that they were not quite as nuts as Waxman, Pelosi, & co.
Not much to recommend them.
I often wondered why the GOP did not take advantage of many of the smaller government, classic liberal issues that were everywhere. I presume that the seduction of power works on everyone regardless of political label.
wrt healthcare, I wonder if we want to end up with a two-tier system similar to the current Medicare. To get decent treatment while on Medicare, seniors purchase MediGap insurance. So there is a safety net for everyone, but the care is sub-standard, slow, and highly restricted.
With the Medicaid approach, a gap appears between the top of Medicaid and the bottom of affordable health insurance. That gap is larger because of state regulatory overreaching that limits competition (along with the lack of limits on malpractice suits), but it will probably always exist to some extent.
Posted by: iconoclast at July 28, 2009 12:13 PM (O8ebz)
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