CNN Digs In On Israeli Airstrike Fraud
CNN is insisting that the story it aired of a Palestinian videographer filming his younger brothers death is entirely legitimate:
This is CNN's evidence? Martin is the co-owner of the news company that employees the videographer; he has an intense vested interest in maintaining the credibility and reputation of his company and employees at all costs. And precisely what kind of news World News & Features produce [h/t Snapped Shot]?
There's no truth to accusations by bloggers that a Palestinian camera crew staged a video showing the death of the videographer's brother after an Israeli rocket attack, said the team's employer. "It's absolute nonsense," Paul Martin, co-owner of World News and Features, said of accusations leveled by bloggers at videographer Ashraf Mashharawi. "He's a man of enormous integrity and would never get involved with any sort of manipulation of images, let alone when the person dying is his own brother," Martin said. "I know the whole family. I know them very well. ... [Mashharawi] is upset and angry that anyone would think of him having done anything like this. ... This is ridiculous. He's independent." Raafat Hamdouna, administrative director at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, said Friday that "Mahmoud Khalil Mashharawi, a 12-year-old, was brought to the hospital, and he was breathing, but he was hit in the head and all over his body by shrapnel. He died later in the hospital. He was treated by the Norwegian team. When he was brought in, he was breathing. The team did their best to save him. I am not really sure if they even tried to rush him to the surgery room, because he was badly hurt."
Premium clients can commission the writing filming, and broadcast of specific stories. Commissioned news, sold at a premium. Isn't that another name for mercenary propaganda? If so, I wonder who commissioned these... or if they were done pro bono. HAMAS ALLIES PREPARE FOR RENEWED CONFLICT
WORLD NEWS & FEATURES is a unique specialist news and features provider, in the print, audio and video media, specialising in CONFLICT ZONES.
It specialises in high-quality and impeccably-researched content.
It only provides the material to non-competing clients. Under its unique system, each PREMIER CLIENT can brand the material as "From Our Own Correspondent" or "From ABC - Special to ..." or some other agreed wording.
A PREMIER CLIENT can also commission the writing, filming or broadcast of specific stories relevant to that clients region, city or specialised interest.
ROCKET MEN OF GAZA DYING TO SMASH ISRAEL WALL SAYS HAMAS RESIST, SAYS HAMAS ARMED WING Martin is trusted by Hamas on at least a professional level, and has a financial stake in the credibility of his employee's story. Neither of these conflicts of interest were disclosed by CNN, for the rather obvious reasons it undermines their claim of the story's credibility. And then there is the apparent discrepancy between the injuries claimed by hospital adminstrator Raafat Hamdouna and the lack of evidence of such wounds in the video footage. Hamdouna claimed:
The video shot by Ashraf Mashharawi does not seem to support this claim. While a frame-by-frame analysis shows a possible gash on the lower leg and what may be evidence of blood localized on the lower trunk, there is no evidence of any wound to the head or upper body.
"Mahmoud Khalil Mashharawi, a 12-year-old, was brought to the hospital, and he was breathing, but he was hit in the head and all over his body by shrapnel."
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 10:09 PM
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In the burial scene, the "blood" on the sheet is still bright red. If any time at all had passed between the death and burial, the blood should have darkened.
I also doubt the "missile" argument as the damage does not look very extensive.
I also doubt the "missile" argument as the damage does not look very extensive.
Posted by: Harold Morris at January 09, 2009 11:24 PM (q4Mt4)
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CNN'S COURSE OF ACTION IS PAR FOR THE COURSE.
THEY LIED FOR SADDAM.
AND DID THE SAME BS RE: AL DURA AND JENINGRAD AND THE LEBANON WAR.
THEY'RE NOT OBJECTIVE; THEY'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THEY LIED FOR SADDAM.
AND DID THE SAME BS RE: AL DURA AND JENINGRAD AND THE LEBANON WAR.
THEY'RE NOT OBJECTIVE; THEY'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
Posted by: reliapundit at January 09, 2009 11:37 PM (Hhqr7)
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Why wouldn’t it be real? Is it really that hard to believe? He just wanted to show us a glimpse of reality. do you really think anyone in Gaza has the time and reason to make up and fake a death of a child. Its not like thats the only child reported to have been killed.
these types of massacres have been happing for the past 14 days, look at the UN School that was blown and all the children that died, and no evidence has been put forward that missiles or any terrorist where in the area, it the UN for Gods Sake and they blew it up. IDF did the same to a UN Shelter in Lebanon, Remember Qana, Lebanon, and nothing was done nor was it condemned. It was just an "unfortunate incident"
these types of massacres have been happing for the past 14 days, look at the UN School that was blown and all the children that died, and no evidence has been put forward that missiles or any terrorist where in the area, it the UN for Gods Sake and they blew it up. IDF did the same to a UN Shelter in Lebanon, Remember Qana, Lebanon, and nothing was done nor was it condemned. It was just an "unfortunate incident"
Posted by: Simon at January 09, 2009 11:57 PM (GJzC1)
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"do you really think anyone in Gaza has the time and reason to make up and fake a death of a child."
Yes. Because they've done it quite a few times before.
"look at the UN School that was blown and all the children that died, and no evidence has been put forward that missiles or any terrorist where in the area"
You really should pay better attention. The AP cited witnesses who saw Hamas thugs in the area; I believe the report was they fired one of the unguided rockets they're so fond of.
And, yes, "unfortunate incidents" happen. Particularly when a military that attempts to avoid civilian casualties is forced to fight thugs who benefit from civilian casualties whether they're Israeli, Lebanese, Palestinian, Egyptian, or Jordanian. The thugs fire from behind women and children -- it's the fault of the thugs that the women and children are caught in the crossfire.
Yes. Because they've done it quite a few times before.
"look at the UN School that was blown and all the children that died, and no evidence has been put forward that missiles or any terrorist where in the area"
You really should pay better attention. The AP cited witnesses who saw Hamas thugs in the area; I believe the report was they fired one of the unguided rockets they're so fond of.
And, yes, "unfortunate incidents" happen. Particularly when a military that attempts to avoid civilian casualties is forced to fight thugs who benefit from civilian casualties whether they're Israeli, Lebanese, Palestinian, Egyptian, or Jordanian. The thugs fire from behind women and children -- it's the fault of the thugs that the women and children are caught in the crossfire.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at January 10, 2009 12:09 AM (Bpq+O)
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Yea just like the Hamas rocket fire sites are staged.
Posted by: Tupac at January 10, 2009 12:15 AM (Tqe7s)
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do you really think anyone in Gaza has the time and reason to make up and fake a death of a child. Its not like thats the only child reported to have been killed.
Absolutely they have the time, reason and motivation.
Sadly, civilians are always killed in wars and children are among those civilians. I readily concede those dozens of people under the age of 18 must have died in this current conflict, despite the best efforts of the IDF to limit themselves to legitimate military targets (Hamas has no such limitations, and in fact triggered this war by targeting civilians).
But dead children, however sad, are not motivating enough without context. there have been dozens of grisly wire service photos of dead children that sell well in the Arab and Muslim press to gin up outrage against Israel, but those photos are not as frequently printed in western media, and so a human touch is needed.
This particular tragic story was apparently manufactured to hit just those personal notes to generate anger by personalizing the loss, while ignoring the gore that turns on a bloodthirsty media in more crude parts of the world.
Palestinians have been manufacturing the fake deaths of children and attributing them to the Israelis for decades to fit media specific purposes. This story was crafted because it fit a need in Hamas' media strategy, which is all it has left going for it at this time.
do you really think anyone in Gaza has the time and reason to make up and fake a death of a child. Its not like thats the only child reported to have been killed.
Absolutely they have the time, reason and motivation.
Sadly, civilians are always killed in wars and children are among those civilians. I readily concede those dozens of people under the age of 18 must have died in this current conflict, despite the best efforts of the IDF to limit themselves to legitimate military targets (Hamas has no such limitations, and in fact triggered this war by targeting civilians).
But dead children, however sad, are not motivating enough without context. there have been dozens of grisly wire service photos of dead children that sell well in the Arab and Muslim press to gin up outrage against Israel, but those photos are not as frequently printed in western media, and so a human touch is needed.
This particular tragic story was apparently manufactured to hit just those personal notes to generate anger by personalizing the loss, while ignoring the gore that turns on a bloodthirsty media in more crude parts of the world.
Palestinians have been manufacturing the fake deaths of children and attributing them to the Israelis for decades to fit media specific purposes. This story was crafted because it fit a need in Hamas' media strategy, which is all it has left going for it at this time.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 10, 2009 12:15 AM (HcgFD)
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CNN should ask Dr Sanjay Gupta if those chest compressions are real or not. They are bogus. The defense given by Martin does not address this at all.
Posted by: Charles128 at January 10, 2009 12:26 AM (0Qm2L)
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Its not like thats the only child reported to have been killed.
Are you saying "fake, but accurate" might be in play here?
do you really think anyone in Gaza has the time and reason to make up and fake a death of a child.
I think that a) the 'journalist' involved carries a camera and films stuff for a living. So he has time, and the skill, and b) there is a rich tradition of 'fauxtography' coming from arab war zones, so there are reasons to be skeptical.
No one is questioning the fact that children are killed in conflicts like this one. News outlets presented this story as being especially poignant, and somehow representative of Israeli barbarity. People noticed, very quickly, that technical details seemed wrong. The way the CPR was being done did not look right to people who would know the difference.
The story is moving. No one argued otherwise. But it becomes infuriating if, under examination, it turns out to have been faked.
Let me be explicit: No one gets automatic credibility, and no one is above question. The facts are what matter, and these were conveniently recorded so that they can be examined. Any outrage at the attempt to determine whether this piece of reportage is real is not likely sincere, but rather, an attempt to shame us in to not looking. Well, nonsense. We'll look, and we'll say so if something looks fishy.
Are you saying "fake, but accurate" might be in play here?
do you really think anyone in Gaza has the time and reason to make up and fake a death of a child.
I think that a) the 'journalist' involved carries a camera and films stuff for a living. So he has time, and the skill, and b) there is a rich tradition of 'fauxtography' coming from arab war zones, so there are reasons to be skeptical.
No one is questioning the fact that children are killed in conflicts like this one. News outlets presented this story as being especially poignant, and somehow representative of Israeli barbarity. People noticed, very quickly, that technical details seemed wrong. The way the CPR was being done did not look right to people who would know the difference.
The story is moving. No one argued otherwise. But it becomes infuriating if, under examination, it turns out to have been faked.
Let me be explicit: No one gets automatic credibility, and no one is above question. The facts are what matter, and these were conveniently recorded so that they can be examined. Any outrage at the attempt to determine whether this piece of reportage is real is not likely sincere, but rather, an attempt to shame us in to not looking. Well, nonsense. We'll look, and we'll say so if something looks fishy.
Posted by: Dave Eaton at January 10, 2009 12:28 AM (HsLsb)
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do you really think anyone in Gaza has the time and reason to make up and fake a death of a child.
You should do standup because THAT was funny!
Oh...you were serious?
You should do standup because THAT was funny!
Oh...you were serious?
Posted by: Saint Patton at January 10, 2009 12:38 AM (9v34C)
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What kind of missiles that caused minimal damages? Glad you ask.
1st generation missiles: Hitler's rockets hitting Great Britain indiscriminately causing a lot of collateral damages.
2nd generation: American missiles, somewhat more precise, but still had uh-oh moments when something other than the targets were hit, and caused some collateral damages.
3rd generation: American smart missiles, those used to pulverize Osama in his cave. They could hit Saddam's house, not killing him.
4th generation: Israeli missiles which are so precise that the Jews use specifically to target small children, the smaller the better, leaving everything else intact. The Jews also use smart bullets that zig-zag and turn corners to hit young children. They used that to kill Al Dura, another 12 years old.
1st generation missiles: Hitler's rockets hitting Great Britain indiscriminately causing a lot of collateral damages.
2nd generation: American missiles, somewhat more precise, but still had uh-oh moments when something other than the targets were hit, and caused some collateral damages.
3rd generation: American smart missiles, those used to pulverize Osama in his cave. They could hit Saddam's house, not killing him.
4th generation: Israeli missiles which are so precise that the Jews use specifically to target small children, the smaller the better, leaving everything else intact. The Jews also use smart bullets that zig-zag and turn corners to hit young children. They used that to kill Al Dura, another 12 years old.
Posted by: ic at January 10, 2009 12:46 AM (NM7Uv)
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I do believe the UN as a fairly impartial group saying that large numbers of civilians have been killed since it was a resolution by the UN that created this situation 60 years ago. The outrage from the International Red Cross cannot be easily dismissed either since that group is known to be highly impartial as well as doing more work behind the scenes.
Also, why is my comment blocked due to questionable content, and why does it not show what error to correct? This seems like some kind of censorship. I will try to post the first part of my post since it is the only relevant part to the actual article.
Also, why is my comment blocked due to questionable content, and why does it not show what error to correct? This seems like some kind of censorship. I will try to post the first part of my post since it is the only relevant part to the actual article.
Posted by: Alex at January 10, 2009 12:56 AM (IVwK4)
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What they need is Hizbollah's Green Helmet guy to lend them credibilities.
Posted by: ic at January 10, 2009 12:57 AM (NM7Uv)
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The cardiopulmonary resuscitation is faked. Cardiac compressions are not forceful enough to be effective and are too rapid. No attempt is made at pulmonary ventilation. The physician on the left, who I believe is a plastic surgeon, would have been insuring an airway and either bagging or performing mouth to mouth resuscitation if this were real.
Posted by: SIMdoc at January 10, 2009 01:04 AM (Xw+xA)
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As an ER physician who watched the footage carefully, I can tell you that the event is either staged, or that medical team has absolutely no idea how to perform CPR and otherwise resuscitate a patient.
Based on watching the video, I believe that most likely the former is true, i.e., it is theatre.
Based on watching the video, I believe that most likely the former is true, i.e., it is theatre.
Posted by: dbr1 at January 10, 2009 01:10 AM (XZbBy)
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Okay, so I have what I feel to be a legitimate comment actually relating to the post, but for whatever reason this site seems to censor me. I basically said that the IDF should let independent journalists in according to their supreme court's ruling. This would provide at least a bit more impartiality and prevent propaganda films from being released as news.
Posted by: Alex at January 10, 2009 01:11 AM (IVwK4)
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why is my comment blocked due to questionable content, and why does it not show what error to correct. This seems like some kind of censorship.
Uh, of course it is 'some sort of censorship'. It is a content filter...
My earlier comment didn't pass muster until I removed the initials of the Chicken Noodle Network. I see that they passed in at least one case above, so the algorithm must be complex.
Uh, of course it is 'some sort of censorship'. It is a content filter...
My earlier comment didn't pass muster until I removed the initials of the Chicken Noodle Network. I see that they passed in at least one case above, so the algorithm must be complex.
Posted by: Dave Eaton at January 10, 2009 01:12 AM (HsLsb)
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"but for whatever reason this site seems to censor me."
It's the Jooooos, they're everywhere.
The clicking sound on your window at night, that's not the wind, it's a Jew Claw.
The strange noise from your basement, a Jew sneaking up to snatch your children.
The shadows arching over your wall at night....Jews coming to steal your blood.
Then again, maybe the content filter or whatever just thinks you're an idiot.
It's the Jooooos, they're everywhere.
The clicking sound on your window at night, that's not the wind, it's a Jew Claw.
The strange noise from your basement, a Jew sneaking up to snatch your children.
The shadows arching over your wall at night....Jews coming to steal your blood.
Then again, maybe the content filter or whatever just thinks you're an idiot.
Posted by: Riggs at January 10, 2009 01:19 AM (9v34C)
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Watch the video and decide. Was it done by;
1. A professional news organization.
2. Two doctors with a webcam.
3. Andrew Sachs and a bad mime.
4. The Muppets.
5. The Onion
6. Pravda.
7. Baghdad Bob and his All-Night Newsboys.
8. Cable News Network.
My money's on number eight.
1. A professional news organization.
2. Two doctors with a webcam.
3. Andrew Sachs and a bad mime.
4. The Muppets.
5. The Onion
6. Pravda.
7. Baghdad Bob and his All-Night Newsboys.
8. Cable News Network.
My money's on number eight.
Posted by: What I Think at January 10, 2009 01:22 AM (+loVH)
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Simon, can you be seriously this naive? Oh, and about that UN school, check out this video from Jan 6, 2009.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JNQk2gbROk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JNQk2gbROk&feature=related
Posted by: Thripshaw at January 10, 2009 01:54 AM (MCyBl)
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"As an ER physician who watched the footage carefully, I can tell you that the event is either staged, or that medical team has absolutely no idea how to perform CPR and otherwise resuscitate a patient." Well, you know, we are dealing with the typical competence associated with non-Israeli Middle-Easterners. . .
Posted by: Brooks at January 10, 2009 02:18 AM (7nelD)
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To Cubanbob: I was a full-on supporter of Israel... really a Zionist... until I worked in the West Bank for 9 months in 05-06. It was there that I witnessed what I could never have believed to be true about the occupation. It culminated in my last month when, after 8 months of nightly incursions by the IDF, leaving my patients (90% women and children) traumatized, I witnessed for myself how Israeli soldiers used a 16 year old girl as a human shield in a military "operation" on the street where I lived. I would not have believed it had I not seen it with my own eyes. How sad that the oppressed have now become the oppressors! I believe the children of Sderot and Ashkelon are now terrorized by the violence they have experienced. Multiply that by thousands of people and decades of time and you have the Palestinians.... enough hatred to fuel another generation or two of violence... on both sides!
Posted by: Jan at January 10, 2009 03:58 AM (mEui2)
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"do you really think anyone in Gaza has the time and reason to make up and fake a death of a child."
I am completely sympathetic to your sympathy, but your impression that everyone in Gaza is too busy running around saving lives is a little naive. Here's proof:
Look at the missiles still being fired into Israel. There is no defensive purpose to this whatsoever. It has no offensive purpose against IDF either. It is purely a symbolic gesture of defiance, one that is not only totally useless for the immediate combat at hand, but is actually counterproductive, since it only provokes Israel to keep fighting, which in turn will only continue to increase Palestinian casualties. Hamas know this. And yet there they are, coming out into the open and risking their lives to do it, all the same.
You and I would want to save the lives of our own people, so it's natural to assume everyone would behave the same way. But Hamas has a different set of priorities. The evidence is right in front of you.
I am completely sympathetic to your sympathy, but your impression that everyone in Gaza is too busy running around saving lives is a little naive. Here's proof:
Look at the missiles still being fired into Israel. There is no defensive purpose to this whatsoever. It has no offensive purpose against IDF either. It is purely a symbolic gesture of defiance, one that is not only totally useless for the immediate combat at hand, but is actually counterproductive, since it only provokes Israel to keep fighting, which in turn will only continue to increase Palestinian casualties. Hamas know this. And yet there they are, coming out into the open and risking their lives to do it, all the same.
You and I would want to save the lives of our own people, so it's natural to assume everyone would behave the same way. But Hamas has a different set of priorities. The evidence is right in front of you.
Posted by: John at January 10, 2009 04:09 AM (r+jvD)
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It is a big shame that in this day and age we allow our biases to colour our fair judgment as humans.Granted that war can never be fought clean but due consideration should always be given to the weak and defenseless(women and children). The porpoted use of human shield by Hamas, if true, is rather unfortunate but that does not in any way confer legitimacy on the actions of the IDF to fire blindly and waste the lives of these people.The moral burden still lies with he who pulls the trigger.And the fact that this story repeats itself at every turn of this long running conflict is enough for the world to feel concerned.
The view by some that the UN is a worthless collection of countries is rather unfair. Was it not through an instrument of this same body that the state of Israel was established?
The view by some that the UN is a worthless collection of countries is rather unfair. Was it not through an instrument of this same body that the state of Israel was established?
Posted by: Bayo at January 10, 2009 04:15 AM (Y05wH)
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the palestian get what thay deserver thay stand by and let hamas fire rockets at israel knowing that israel will fire back at hamas so what ever happens to the palestian people thay deserver it
Posted by: rob at January 10, 2009 04:32 AM (iiqMT)
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Jan:
I am sorry to hear about your experience, but those soldiers were undisciplined and did not reflect Israel society as a whole. In 2005, the Israeli Supreme Court banned the use of civilians as human shields by the IDF. After criminal investigations, those military officers responsible for allowing this tactic were censured.
Bayo:
The moral burden does lie with the one who pulls the trigger, but when the one who pulls the trigger is under constant threat of attack, the allowable margin for error must be expanded considerably. I've noticed that people who condemn the casualty rate seem to think that Israel should fight with more reserve, and thus be willing to sacrifice a few of its soldiers if that means saving the lives of many more of the enemy's civilians.
This is preposterous. Israeli soldiers are people's kids too, and their government must value and protect their lives first. It is not just entitled to do so, it has a moral obligation to its citizens to do so.
I am sorry to hear about your experience, but those soldiers were undisciplined and did not reflect Israel society as a whole. In 2005, the Israeli Supreme Court banned the use of civilians as human shields by the IDF. After criminal investigations, those military officers responsible for allowing this tactic were censured.
Bayo:
The moral burden does lie with the one who pulls the trigger, but when the one who pulls the trigger is under constant threat of attack, the allowable margin for error must be expanded considerably. I've noticed that people who condemn the casualty rate seem to think that Israel should fight with more reserve, and thus be willing to sacrifice a few of its soldiers if that means saving the lives of many more of the enemy's civilians.
This is preposterous. Israeli soldiers are people's kids too, and their government must value and protect their lives first. It is not just entitled to do so, it has a moral obligation to its citizens to do so.
Posted by: John at January 10, 2009 04:54 AM (r+jvD)
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Given the influx of anti-Israeli trolls, and in the spirit of hope and change *gag*, I'd like to provide a summary of everything they've said thus far. That way, everyone else can just skip over what they've said and move on to better things.
"blah blah blah you're all Nazis blah blah kill the Jews blah blah allahu ackbar blah blah i like rabbits blah."
"blah blah blah you're all Nazis blah blah kill the Jews blah blah allahu ackbar blah blah i like rabbits blah."
Posted by: Vaultenblogger at January 10, 2009 05:14 AM (HG6DM)
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I am reminded of reports from Somalia when the Ethiopian army went in there.
Somalis attacked the Ethiopians with the tactics that they had used against US and UN troops i.e. they would send a group of Somali women and children down the street and then Somali men with AK-47s would fire at the American or UN soldiers from the rear of the crowd.
The Ethiopians, who have been dealing with Somalis for more than a thousand years, were amused. The Ethiopians reported that hiding behind women and children was not a particularly effective tactic since the bullets the Ethiopians fired can go right through the bodies of the women and children to hit the Somali gunmen.
Somalis attacked the Ethiopians with the tactics that they had used against US and UN troops i.e. they would send a group of Somali women and children down the street and then Somali men with AK-47s would fire at the American or UN soldiers from the rear of the crowd.
The Ethiopians, who have been dealing with Somalis for more than a thousand years, were amused. The Ethiopians reported that hiding behind women and children was not a particularly effective tactic since the bullets the Ethiopians fired can go right through the bodies of the women and children to hit the Somali gunmen.
Posted by: Gilligan at January 10, 2009 06:21 AM (TX6eJ)
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CNN is hokey ~ Lazy journalism.... they are part of the 60's culture that lack the hard work and integrity of the 50's.... G-d help us now !
Posted by: Mark at January 10, 2009 06:34 AM (JAT+/)
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I have seen hate ... but hate like this amazes me. WoW. One hates the Jews and the other hates the Arabs and one hates the children and women. I give up on humanity. Jesus Moses .. Mohammad ...
I give up ...
I give up ...
Posted by: Moe at January 10, 2009 07:16 AM (rXuj8)
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When was the last time an Israeli went into a religious party and blew himself up? Likewise, when was the last time an Israeli blew him/herself up in a restaurant crowded with innocent diners, or a school, or a Jet plane or two, or three? When you live in a culture of death and violence you may understand what the Israelis face every day since 1947. Every day. It's now pay back time for these murderers.
Posted by: George Hussein at January 10, 2009 07:54 AM (f6hWj)
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it all goes back to simple politics. if israel treated there neighbors with respect i would bet my house that rockets would rain down no more.
One must relieze hamas isn't firing the rockets for the hell of it. they didn't wake up one morning and decide out of the blue to fire off a few rockets. no, it's built up rage they are angry at israeli politics.
One must relieze hamas isn't firing the rockets for the hell of it. they didn't wake up one morning and decide out of the blue to fire off a few rockets. no, it's built up rage they are angry at israeli politics.
Posted by: alex pawel at January 10, 2009 08:22 AM (/aRm/)
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As a surgeon I have to agree the resuscitation efforts shown on the video are either completely inept or staged.
More concerning, the boy's body could be real, having been cleaned up after his death. This was purportedly a Norwegian hospital and the physician on the left is Norwegian apparently. Using a dead child's body as a prop in a charade filmed for propaganda purposes, especially when "CPR" is performed, is highly unethical for any physician. Furthermore, it borders on desecration of the body.
The Norwegian Board of Medicine should be informed of this physician's incompetent, or more likely unethical, behavior.
More concerning, the boy's body could be real, having been cleaned up after his death. This was purportedly a Norwegian hospital and the physician on the left is Norwegian apparently. Using a dead child's body as a prop in a charade filmed for propaganda purposes, especially when "CPR" is performed, is highly unethical for any physician. Furthermore, it borders on desecration of the body.
The Norwegian Board of Medicine should be informed of this physician's incompetent, or more likely unethical, behavior.
Posted by: TLM at January 10, 2009 08:48 AM (VOL2j)
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"Why wouldn’t it be real? Is it really that hard to believe?"
Possible = True. Welcome to Libthink.
Possible = True. Welcome to Libthink.
Posted by: Jim Treacher at January 10, 2009 09:03 AM (cvmgB)
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Are these the same people dancing in the streets after 9/11, and were is the money for all these guns caming from????
Posted by: Giovanni at January 10, 2009 09:16 AM (AYhe6)
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CNN should not allow itself to be used for propaganda.It should stick to its primary purpose... Report the news truthfully and objectively. It not establish a mind set for its viewers. Sooner and later the people will know... and the company network would suffer terribly. My advice: Wake up and stay true to the basic foundation of journalism.
Posted by: JIM FESTIN at January 10, 2009 09:17 AM (crD4t)
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Palistinians...Get away from the terrorist. Use the heads that God gave you and get away from those Madmen.
I have seen suicide children, AK47 tote children and the fanatical parents who use there children as shields. I ran away and crossed the border to get out...I'll never go back..never.
Those people are not human to see what they have done to my family. The muslim people are brainwashed...I'll never return home.never.
I have seen suicide children, AK47 tote children and the fanatical parents who use there children as shields. I ran away and crossed the border to get out...I'll never go back..never.
Those people are not human to see what they have done to my family. The muslim people are brainwashed...I'll never return home.never.
Posted by: Jay MK johnson at January 10, 2009 09:31 AM (svozh)
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i always marvel at the selective amnesia a lot of folks suffer from every time this issue of this isreal and palestine's fright comes up!
i am yet to read of a time when the isrealis wakes up one day and starts a fight! how come all the days hamas has been blasting away at isreal we all forgot to condemn thier actions and the moment isreal decides to fight back the whole world starts to condemn isreal from east to west!
are we truthful with ourselves? what would we do if hamas decides our homes are the next desination of thier rockets?
maybe we would advice ourself to remain calm and appeal fopr peace! i wonder!
i am yet to read of a time when the isrealis wakes up one day and starts a fight! how come all the days hamas has been blasting away at isreal we all forgot to condemn thier actions and the moment isreal decides to fight back the whole world starts to condemn isreal from east to west!
are we truthful with ourselves? what would we do if hamas decides our homes are the next desination of thier rockets?
maybe we would advice ourself to remain calm and appeal fopr peace! i wonder!
Posted by: archie at January 10, 2009 09:36 AM (/ZZh5)
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It isn't complicated. Stop firing rockets and mortars into a legally established nation in an attempt to kill their citizens or learn to love the response you are getting.
Posted by: Fred Beloit at January 10, 2009 09:40 AM (ulKU8)
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I absolutely hate to see deaths on either side of the conflict. Seriously. But I echo what others are thankfully saying.
Palestinians! If you want peace quit electing terrorists (HAMAS) to lead your government. Tell them to quit firing rockets into a legal nation. Grow up and live in peace with those different than you like the majority of others on this earth and your life will be a lot happier!
Palestinians! If you want peace quit electing terrorists (HAMAS) to lead your government. Tell them to quit firing rockets into a legal nation. Grow up and live in peace with those different than you like the majority of others on this earth and your life will be a lot happier!
Posted by: Doji Ahmad at January 10, 2009 10:07 AM (YgL5H)
Posted by: luke at January 10, 2009 10:27 AM (nF+Fm)
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Was this the best coverage of the carnage going on in this region? With as much carnage that is being reported in print, one would imagine there would be dozens of such incidents to photograph or videotape. Are the camera personnel hiding in the tunnels? course, that may explain why those boys were on the roof, instead of hiding.
Posted by: Rickz66 at January 10, 2009 10:32 AM (+/SRs)
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Should the USA continue to acknowledge as veracity the Palestinian propaganda, woe to the country that wars with Israel.
Posted by: William H at January 10, 2009 10:33 AM (x0fD8)
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If the Israeli's would have a nice party near a beautiful brook with birds chirping and sit down with hamus and serve tea and cookies then everything would be wonderful and everybody would be able to get along and be happy. Hamas would complain that Israel didn't serve humas. I believe they are beginning to eat themselves up now. The Israeli's are brilliant.
Posted by: Mack Jenson at January 10, 2009 10:48 AM (Bl9+Y)
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Ok, Sam, that would be when they left the fully-functioning greenhouses behind? That the palistinians trashed, rather than used?
Gaza embargo... wasn't that when they got tirede of the brave palis sending women and children with bombs to murder people in restaurants and hospitals? Same reason they built the fence that clowns like you refer to as a 'war crime'?
Gaza embargo... wasn't that when they got tirede of the brave palis sending women and children with bombs to murder people in restaurants and hospitals? Same reason they built the fence that clowns like you refer to as a 'war crime'?
Posted by: Firehand at January 10, 2009 11:02 AM (GAf+S)
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Ignoring the relatively minor matter of the goal of wiping Israel out and killing Jews in the Hamas charter, what evidence have any of the brainwashed libtards produced that Hamas actually wants to live in peace with Israel. What solurions do they propose to the conflict except of course more concessions by Israel, which have worked so well for Israel over time. Liberalism is indeed a mental disease.
Posted by: daleyrocks at January 10, 2009 11:40 AM (odYIP)
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It is rather unfortunate that children are getting hit in the battle of Gaza, but isn't it wishful thinking to assume that a war of this magnitude will take place without any one recording any casuality from the children population. Truth is, it does not matter if the people killed were children of adults-they were just victims of circumstance that were caught up in a cross fire of a war brought upon them by a cowardly and murderous terrorist organization that chose to use a civilian population as an armor chest plate in a war that they precipitated.
Posted by: ikeri chukwudi at January 10, 2009 11:49 AM (tdeSR)
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these people have been milking the world for the last 60 years, not enoufgh to eat, but they seem
to have enoufgh money for ARMS. they thrive when they parade DEAD women & children for the worlds sympaty they are EXPERTS at PR( AS WITNESSED
IN JERICHO THE MASSACRE WHEN THEY CARRIED A DEAD MAN ON A STRETCHER WHEN HE FELL OF AND HE ROSE TO RUN AFTER THE STRETCHER TO GET BACK ON)look at derfur when they claim to be undernourished look at the children & women with bones portruding, how much help is given to these people? yet these bloodsuckers continue to milk the world for sympathy and no matter how much is given it seems like a bottomless pit.
to have enoufgh money for ARMS. they thrive when they parade DEAD women & children for the worlds sympaty they are EXPERTS at PR( AS WITNESSED
IN JERICHO THE MASSACRE WHEN THEY CARRIED A DEAD MAN ON A STRETCHER WHEN HE FELL OF AND HE ROSE TO RUN AFTER THE STRETCHER TO GET BACK ON)look at derfur when they claim to be undernourished look at the children & women with bones portruding, how much help is given to these people? yet these bloodsuckers continue to milk the world for sympathy and no matter how much is given it seems like a bottomless pit.
Posted by: mayer at January 10, 2009 12:48 PM (bmea0)
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Israel has the ability to erase all of Gaza in
a matter of hours without taking any casualties itself. Instead they choose to go in on the ground to minimise the "collateral damage" to the innocent population, risking a significant
potential loss to it's troops. Hamas leadership
in turn, is safe and sound in Damascus, Beirut and Teheran willing to fight to the last woman and child of Gaza. How brave, indeed.
a matter of hours without taking any casualties itself. Instead they choose to go in on the ground to minimise the "collateral damage" to the innocent population, risking a significant
potential loss to it's troops. Hamas leadership
in turn, is safe and sound in Damascus, Beirut and Teheran willing to fight to the last woman and child of Gaza. How brave, indeed.
Posted by: paisan at January 10, 2009 12:53 PM (nOJOx)
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Hamas illegally occupies Gaza. They took it, violently, from the Palestinian Authority and they still continue to bitch about Israel and their "illegal occupation"? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
Posted by: ScooterGirl at January 10, 2009 12:57 PM (QmUel)
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Let's see, collateral damage, surgical strikes, what language would Americans be speaking now if Pres. Truman was worried about that when Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed. Yeah, right he only got military personnel.
Posted by: geminiG at January 10, 2009 12:57 PM (GlqN7)
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I say to hell with these fanatical Islamic Hamas. Sawing off peeps heads with swords. Bombing buses. How revolting these sickos must be. No regards for life and their 72 virgin brides that await them.
TO HELL WITH THEM.
Israelis ought to do what is neccessary and finnish these cockroaches off for good! Give Iran a taster of what is to come too, wouldn't go amiss either imho!
TO HELL WITH THEM.
Israelis ought to do what is neccessary and finnish these cockroaches off for good! Give Iran a taster of what is to come too, wouldn't go amiss either imho!
Posted by: Dave J at January 10, 2009 01:05 PM (o7bbw)
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It's funny how many comments are on this thread condeming the Israeli response to terrorist activity. Many of these are probably the same people that claimed the border fences would not prevent homocide bombings in Israel (yet these have been significantly reduced since their creation).
Throughout it's history, Israel has always acted in self-defense. In 1948, they fought for their right to exist when they were attacked by the Arab world. Both Arabs and Jews fought on the side of Israel to protect their nation. In 1967, Israel was attacked again. Both Arabs and Jews fought in this short conflict and achieved an overwhelming victory. In 1973, Israel was attacked again and achieved another dramatic victory - with both Arabs and Jews in their military.
The PLO and Hamas have both carried the goal of killing the Jews by driving them into the sea. They claim "Palestine" as theirs - yet the word Palestine comes from Syria et al Palestina, which was the Roman name given to this area when it was under their control. Later the Ottoman Turks took over and lost control of the area to the British in WWI. In history, the Arabs have never controlled Palestine, creating a great hoax where a race is created out of a lie. These people have been used as tools to fight the Jews and eliminate them from the Middle East. They were granted Trans-Jordan for the Arab population. In 1948, they were granted another Arab property in Palestine, yet this was again not good enough.
As long as these people continue to preach hatred and destruction, they should not be surprised when they face the consequences of their actions. Israel doesn't teach their children to hate, yet the other side does (just watch Palestinian TV or read one of their text books). Until ordinary citizens stand up and realized that they are being victimized by their own beliefs and not by the Jews, the Catholics or any other race or creed, we can expect these types of conflicts to continue. Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Fatah, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Al Queda, et al must be eliminated to ensure the safety of those that do not follow extreme Islamic principles. Until they stand up and refuse to be used by these groups, a live in the same areas they use to attack from, everyone in those areas are at risk.
For America, 9/11 was an attack on our civilians and the Palestinians celebrated. For Britain 7/7 was an attack on their civilians, and the Palestinians celebrated. For Israel, these rocket attacks are indescriminate attacks on their civilians, and the Palestinians continue to celebrate these attacks and support the murderers that launch these rockets. If you are a Palestinian and you truly want peace, remove these monsters from your collective society and ignore the hate they preach. Until then, Israel will have to begin the process of removing them and defending their God given right to live in their homeland, in peace.
Throughout it's history, Israel has always acted in self-defense. In 1948, they fought for their right to exist when they were attacked by the Arab world. Both Arabs and Jews fought on the side of Israel to protect their nation. In 1967, Israel was attacked again. Both Arabs and Jews fought in this short conflict and achieved an overwhelming victory. In 1973, Israel was attacked again and achieved another dramatic victory - with both Arabs and Jews in their military.
The PLO and Hamas have both carried the goal of killing the Jews by driving them into the sea. They claim "Palestine" as theirs - yet the word Palestine comes from Syria et al Palestina, which was the Roman name given to this area when it was under their control. Later the Ottoman Turks took over and lost control of the area to the British in WWI. In history, the Arabs have never controlled Palestine, creating a great hoax where a race is created out of a lie. These people have been used as tools to fight the Jews and eliminate them from the Middle East. They were granted Trans-Jordan for the Arab population. In 1948, they were granted another Arab property in Palestine, yet this was again not good enough.
As long as these people continue to preach hatred and destruction, they should not be surprised when they face the consequences of their actions. Israel doesn't teach their children to hate, yet the other side does (just watch Palestinian TV or read one of their text books). Until ordinary citizens stand up and realized that they are being victimized by their own beliefs and not by the Jews, the Catholics or any other race or creed, we can expect these types of conflicts to continue. Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Fatah, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Al Queda, et al must be eliminated to ensure the safety of those that do not follow extreme Islamic principles. Until they stand up and refuse to be used by these groups, a live in the same areas they use to attack from, everyone in those areas are at risk.
For America, 9/11 was an attack on our civilians and the Palestinians celebrated. For Britain 7/7 was an attack on their civilians, and the Palestinians celebrated. For Israel, these rocket attacks are indescriminate attacks on their civilians, and the Palestinians continue to celebrate these attacks and support the murderers that launch these rockets. If you are a Palestinian and you truly want peace, remove these monsters from your collective society and ignore the hate they preach. Until then, Israel will have to begin the process of removing them and defending their God given right to live in their homeland, in peace.
Posted by: jjwspider at January 10, 2009 01:09 PM (x5dSR)
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CNN run a propaghanda piece? NO! Surely not lmao, after this "election" we just had there's not a broadcasting news agency left in USA with the exception of FOX and a few smaller networks, that has ANY credibility what so ever. Go to Newsbusters(dot)com and Honestreporting(dot)com, They been showing us for a long time the decietfullness and tactics they use, see for yourselves the lop-sided reporting that goes on in Nbc,Cbs,Abc,AP,Msnbc and more. They are anti-jew,america,God and anti-capitolist's There's No Credibility in USA's Journalist's, NONE. Want real news? Go to WND (World Net Daily), VOA, or Haaretz Daily Newspaper to name a few. We (dont even watch the mainstream news or Propaghanda Networks as I call them. They pride themselves in "forming public opinion" rather than "informing the public". Very few "real Journalist's" are left in America, Very few.
Posted by: Vince at January 10, 2009 01:11 PM (i4Fy3)
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BTW - anyone looking for a clear example of bias in the news media, search for Tuvia Grossman. He was a victim of Palestinian agression during the first intifada and had his picture posted across the world a being a bloodied victim of Israel. He did an article on aish(dot)com a while back to explain what happened to him and how the picture affected him as he became a propaganda piece for the Palestinians.
http://www.aish(dot)com/jewishissues/israeldiary/Victim_of_the_Media_War.asp
http://www.aish(dot)com/jewishissues/israeldiary/Victim_of_the_Media_War.asp
Posted by: jjwspider at January 10, 2009 01:26 PM (x5dSR)
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Israel has the ability to erase all of Gaza in
a matter of hours without taking any casualties itself. Instead they choose to go in on the ground to minimise the "collateral damage" to the innocent population, risking a significant
potential loss to it's troops. Hamas leadership
in turn, is safe and sound in Damascus, Beirut and Teheran willing to fight to the last woman and child of Gaza. How brave, indeed.
Well said, I have been saying that for YEARS!
a matter of hours without taking any casualties itself. Instead they choose to go in on the ground to minimise the "collateral damage" to the innocent population, risking a significant
potential loss to it's troops. Hamas leadership
in turn, is safe and sound in Damascus, Beirut and Teheran willing to fight to the last woman and child of Gaza. How brave, indeed.
Well said, I have been saying that for YEARS!
Posted by: Mikael at January 10, 2009 01:29 PM (cH4Yh)
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Posted by gabe barkoczi at January 10, 2009 12:11 PM
That's you Ron Paul, isn't it? Welcome to the board Congressman.
That's you Ron Paul, isn't it? Welcome to the board Congressman.
Posted by: daleyrocks at January 10, 2009 01:29 PM (odYIP)
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Steve, why write a book in a blog? Trust me, if you gotta write that much to get your point across, then maybe the point your trying to make is wrong? These Palistinians are the same "Philistines" that the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob said to destroy completely back when God gave them the land of Canaan (modern day Israel) after he brought them up out of the land of Egypt. God knew these people would never stop making trouble, knew they would never be satisfied living in peace with his people. Thats why he said to kill them ALL. But the Israelites got lazy and left a remnant in outlying towns, these trouble makers are the decendants of those Philistines. Israel is doing the right thing and it's not by desire, they have No Choice. Theres going to be casualties of war in any battle.
Posted by: vince at January 10, 2009 01:41 PM (i4Fy3)
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Vote for a terrorist organization to run your country and than be surprised by what they cause to happen? Looks to me like you get what you asked for?
Posted by: Frank Gumbaza at January 10, 2009 01:50 PM (VWG23)
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George Hussein:
Great to hear an ARAB who has some common sense!!! Your a little off though! The Jews in Israel have been experiencing genocide since the 1930's!!! The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem started the Arab riots in the 30's slaughtering just below 60,000 people (not even half that have died on both sides from 1947 till now). He did it because he wanted the world to know there are no other people living in Palestine except Arabs (although 70%+ of the Palestinian Muslims ARE NOT ARAB!!!). Of course he stil did not kill ALL the indiginous Jews, Non-Arab Christians, and Druze, but he tried. The very fact that the so called Palestinians use that name is racist, as every single inhabitant of Palestine was a Palestinian. There were and still are a large number of Jews in Israel who have an unbroken history in the country from pre-babalonian exile, so only they can claim to be the "Indiginous race of Palestine" as the Philistines were finally decimated by the Asyrians, and King Solomon did a good job on them before that. The Canaanites were wiped out completely and Neither race were ARAB.
The problem as always with any conflict caused by the middle east Arabs is ISLAM regardless of what is said, it is a relligion of hate and murder, anyone who claims otherwise is either a liar or has not studied the Quran and the Hadith along with the accepted Sunni and Shia interpretations. So those who compare the IDF to Nazis are wrong, the NAZIS here are the Palestinians ALL OF THEM!!! They can be compared to both NAZIS and the Japanese culture before the US handled that evil culture, yes the Japanese had a culture of racial supperiority and hate for thoussands of years. When dealing with a lunatic fringe culture NO ONE including women and children need be worried about, as indoctrination starts at 3, and you'd be suprised at how difficult deprogramming and reeducation is even at 5 or 6 years old. Let's also not forget that the so called Palestinians (as the Grand Mufti started that lied) actually were co-architects of Hitler's final solution, the mufti went to young Hitler in the early 1920's to convince him that mass deportation was not enough, and efficient murder on a large scale is required lest the Jews join the indiginous Jews in Palestine and outnumber the Arabs and the Slavic Muslim majority.
Great to hear an ARAB who has some common sense!!! Your a little off though! The Jews in Israel have been experiencing genocide since the 1930's!!! The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem started the Arab riots in the 30's slaughtering just below 60,000 people (not even half that have died on both sides from 1947 till now). He did it because he wanted the world to know there are no other people living in Palestine except Arabs (although 70%+ of the Palestinian Muslims ARE NOT ARAB!!!). Of course he stil did not kill ALL the indiginous Jews, Non-Arab Christians, and Druze, but he tried. The very fact that the so called Palestinians use that name is racist, as every single inhabitant of Palestine was a Palestinian. There were and still are a large number of Jews in Israel who have an unbroken history in the country from pre-babalonian exile, so only they can claim to be the "Indiginous race of Palestine" as the Philistines were finally decimated by the Asyrians, and King Solomon did a good job on them before that. The Canaanites were wiped out completely and Neither race were ARAB.
The problem as always with any conflict caused by the middle east Arabs is ISLAM regardless of what is said, it is a relligion of hate and murder, anyone who claims otherwise is either a liar or has not studied the Quran and the Hadith along with the accepted Sunni and Shia interpretations. So those who compare the IDF to Nazis are wrong, the NAZIS here are the Palestinians ALL OF THEM!!! They can be compared to both NAZIS and the Japanese culture before the US handled that evil culture, yes the Japanese had a culture of racial supperiority and hate for thoussands of years. When dealing with a lunatic fringe culture NO ONE including women and children need be worried about, as indoctrination starts at 3, and you'd be suprised at how difficult deprogramming and reeducation is even at 5 or 6 years old. Let's also not forget that the so called Palestinians (as the Grand Mufti started that lied) actually were co-architects of Hitler's final solution, the mufti went to young Hitler in the early 1920's to convince him that mass deportation was not enough, and efficient murder on a large scale is required lest the Jews join the indiginous Jews in Palestine and outnumber the Arabs and the Slavic Muslim majority.
Posted by: Moses at January 10, 2009 02:11 PM (5yzGO)
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Hi, Nazir.If you take some one's land without them giving it to you and you either chase them away or kill them, that is not exactly legal, even if the UN gave a blessing to it, sadly.
Posted by: gabe barkoczi at January 10, 2009 02:15 PM (VCPDU)
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Gabe, three things....
1. Is the Holocaust the ONLY act of anti-Semitism that you are aware of? If so, then it is no wonder that you don't understand.....
2. Taking someone's land... query me this: at what point will Tibetans lose the right to their homeland? After all, they no longer control it and they are a distinct minority now and decreasing fast due to Chinese policy. So after how many years does the Dalai Lama's rights expire and Chinese imperialism win?
1. Is the Holocaust the ONLY act of anti-Semitism that you are aware of? If so, then it is no wonder that you don't understand.....
2. Taking someone's land... query me this: at what point will Tibetans lose the right to their homeland? After all, they no longer control it and they are a distinct minority now and decreasing fast due to Chinese policy. So after how many years does the Dalai Lama's rights expire and Chinese imperialism win?
Posted by: AEWHistory at January 10, 2009 02:27 PM (ZNWvf)
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Azmi - Do some research. Prior to the intifada, the Palestinians enjoyed one of the highest standards of living of any Arab country. This was primarily due to the ability to live in Israel, earn an excellent wage and return to Gaza or the West Bank at night. As a result, the standard of living was higher than that found in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, etc. It wasn't until the intifada began and homocide bombers began killing innocent Israeli's that the Israeli government had to severely limit the jobs available and stop subsidizing the Palestinian way of life. Again though, this standard would have been continued had homocidal maniacs not started a war with Israel.
Posted by: jjwspider at January 10, 2009 02:45 PM (x5dSR)
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Yes, they do have a drink--it's called Carmel Wine. Gabe--sorry for swearing at you--WOW, I must have a conscience?
Posted by: Nazir at January 10, 2009 02:45 PM (WiV69)
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Gabe:
When you actualy study the history of Palestine from a reputable NON-Muslim source, you'll find Palestine had a unbroken Jewish population pre-dating the Babalonian exile. Also when the Ottomons brought in the Slavic Muslims who made 70% of the so called Palestinian population in 1947, they also brought in more Jews, Christians, Druze and Bedoins. So NO one took the Palestinians land, they were unwanted Migrant workers brought in by one of the most evil Empires in world history. Don't forget the Ottomons were Pirating, Extorting, and Murdering Eupoeans and Americans for hundreds of years, and when asked why they said because Islam demands that the Infedel be treated in that manner! So much for the BS that this sort of thing is a new concept created by a few extremists who hijacked the "Peaceful" Islam!!!
When you actualy study the history of Palestine from a reputable NON-Muslim source, you'll find Palestine had a unbroken Jewish population pre-dating the Babalonian exile. Also when the Ottomons brought in the Slavic Muslims who made 70% of the so called Palestinian population in 1947, they also brought in more Jews, Christians, Druze and Bedoins. So NO one took the Palestinians land, they were unwanted Migrant workers brought in by one of the most evil Empires in world history. Don't forget the Ottomons were Pirating, Extorting, and Murdering Eupoeans and Americans for hundreds of years, and when asked why they said because Islam demands that the Infedel be treated in that manner! So much for the BS that this sort of thing is a new concept created by a few extremists who hijacked the "Peaceful" Islam!!!
Posted by: Moses at January 10, 2009 03:00 PM (5yzGO)
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What happens when a fly falls into a coffee cup?
The Italian - throws the cup, breaks it, and walks away in a fit of rage.
The German - carefully washes the cup, sterilizes it and makes a new cup
of coffee.
The Frenchman - takes out the fly, and drinks the coffee.
The Chinese - eats the fly and throws away the coffee.
The Russian - Drinks the coffee with the fly, since it was extra with no
charge.
The Israeli - sells the coffee to the Frenchman, the fly to the Chinese,
drinks tea and uses the extra money to invent a device that prevents
flies from falling into coffee.
The Palestinian - blames the Israeli for the fly falling in his coffee,
protests the act of aggression to the UN, takes a loan from the European
Union to buy a new cup of coffee, uses the money to purchase explosives
and then blows up the coffee house where the Italian, the Frenchman, the
Chinese, the German and the Russian are all trying to explain to the
Israeli that he should give away his cup of tea to the Palestinian.
The Italian - throws the cup, breaks it, and walks away in a fit of rage.
The German - carefully washes the cup, sterilizes it and makes a new cup
of coffee.
The Frenchman - takes out the fly, and drinks the coffee.
The Chinese - eats the fly and throws away the coffee.
The Russian - Drinks the coffee with the fly, since it was extra with no
charge.
The Israeli - sells the coffee to the Frenchman, the fly to the Chinese,
drinks tea and uses the extra money to invent a device that prevents
flies from falling into coffee.
The Palestinian - blames the Israeli for the fly falling in his coffee,
protests the act of aggression to the UN, takes a loan from the European
Union to buy a new cup of coffee, uses the money to purchase explosives
and then blows up the coffee house where the Italian, the Frenchman, the
Chinese, the German and the Russian are all trying to explain to the
Israeli that he should give away his cup of tea to the Palestinian.
Posted by: iz at January 10, 2009 03:07 PM (C10fc)
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Hey Vince:
Acutally NO they are not called Philistines, the Grand Mufti named them that (actually Filistines they call themselves now) in an attempt to associate them with that race so they can claim they are the oldest indiginous race. Only probelm is that we KNOW the Philistines were a violent race who were related to Turks and Greeks, basically a preditor race similiar to the concept of the Alians in the movie Independence Day.
Once that lie backfired there was the Canaanite movement among them to claim they are decendents of the Canaanites, however their pitch was their were NO other races especially NO Jews in Palestine prior to 1947, and in fact the whole idea of Jews in Palestine was manufacutred by the Evil Zionists in Europe in the 1920s. So their Canaanite movement backfired on them as well as it acknowledged an old Jewish presense and that contracdicted the Zionist BS story they still preach today.
The Arab minority of todays Palestinians (they are actually 70%+ Slavic Muslims) are the decendents of Ismael Abrahams son. It says clearly in the Old Testament that this race will be blessed in great numbers, but they will be a violent BEAST LIKE Hoard causing mayhem wherever they go. Not much of a religious zealot myself, but whowever wrote that has them pegged!!!
Acutally NO they are not called Philistines, the Grand Mufti named them that (actually Filistines they call themselves now) in an attempt to associate them with that race so they can claim they are the oldest indiginous race. Only probelm is that we KNOW the Philistines were a violent race who were related to Turks and Greeks, basically a preditor race similiar to the concept of the Alians in the movie Independence Day.
Once that lie backfired there was the Canaanite movement among them to claim they are decendents of the Canaanites, however their pitch was their were NO other races especially NO Jews in Palestine prior to 1947, and in fact the whole idea of Jews in Palestine was manufacutred by the Evil Zionists in Europe in the 1920s. So their Canaanite movement backfired on them as well as it acknowledged an old Jewish presense and that contracdicted the Zionist BS story they still preach today.
The Arab minority of todays Palestinians (they are actually 70%+ Slavic Muslims) are the decendents of Ismael Abrahams son. It says clearly in the Old Testament that this race will be blessed in great numbers, but they will be a violent BEAST LIKE Hoard causing mayhem wherever they go. Not much of a religious zealot myself, but whowever wrote that has them pegged!!!
Posted by: Moses at January 10, 2009 03:11 PM (5yzGO)
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Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 10, 2009 03:32 PM (HcgFD)
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The roots of this conflict go way back, and the PALs need to wake up and recognize that Israel is there to stay. Accept that reality and peaceably press for an independent Palestinian state. It could have been all so simple.
I was in Israel just a few months ago. Do you know that in the West bank you can sit in an open air coffeshop and have a latte ? I thought to myself of how thing seem to have greatly improved there from just a few years ago. But it was not so in the Gaza.
What offended me recently was an interview with what a very educated and well spoken Palestinian woman linked from Yahoo News(perhaps some of you saw it too). But all she did was lie. She said "It's important to note that the Hamas rockets do not have explosive heads". If that is so (and it is not) then launching those rockets into Israel is truly a stupid gesture. But then, I've seen personally seen the impact sites of those rockets. You don;t need to be an expert to tell that they definitely have exposive heads. Not only that, we found many blackened roofing nails around the impact site. These were obviously placed around the explosive head to become shrapnel.
She claimed that the tunnels were for smuggling food and humanitrian supplies. But, we all saw the IDF films from the F-16 cameras and what happenned when thier missles struck those tunnels. Funny that. I've never seen food and humanitarian aid supplies cause those kinds of secondary explosions (Oh right, that was the medical Isopropyl rubbing alcohol, my bad !! ).
She accused the interviewer of never having been to Gaza. I suppose that she did not do her homework because that interviewer has many times been there and told her so. Eventually he had to just cut her off.
I noted that every single statement she made was either an outright lie or misleading to the extreme. Does she comprehend just how much she damages her own credibility ? Every time I see any interview with here I now must question anything and everything she says. PALs, pick a better representative.
But all things considered, I think that Israel's actions were rash and unwise. All Hamas has to do is to survive and they will declare a victory.(and since most of them are outside of Gaza, you can bet that claim will be made). Sure it might temporarily halt the rocket threat, but they have just assured that there will be another generation of willing PAL militants who will remember all of this.
But on the other hand, what di the Hamas militants expect was going to happen when they resumed full sclate rocket attacks (by the way, for those of you who do not know, Hamas continued to launch rockets into Israel during the truce, just not so frequently. Hamas claimed that these were rogue militants not under their control - Yea right! But then, some Israeli's also violated the truce. But hey, those were rogue Israeli militants also ! See how it works ?
But there is one thing that is certain. Hamas is a roadblock to Palestinian peace and independence. With them in the picture, it will never happen. Given the contrast between life in the West Bank and life in Gaza the right choice should be obvious.
In some ways I do also assogn some responsibility for this to the Gazans. Surely they knew that when they elected Hamas into power that nothing good could possibly have come from it. not only that, they also had to know a vote for Hamas was a vote to greatly multiply their suffering.
If the Gazans want to move forward, have peace and prosperity for their people, they must get rid of Hamas. And they cannot say that n one told them so. They knew what would happen, and did it anyway. and this makes me wonder what is the mindset of the average Gazan.
In conclusion, this action by Israel was a bone-headed move. The Gazans electing Hamas and kicking out the PA was a boneheaded move. Firing rockets into Israel was a boneheaded move.
I have to wonder Is there anyone over there on either side who possess's any inteliigence or clarity of thought.
The Hamas charter calls for the total destruction of Israel, and says that negotiations and truces are a waste of time.
I was in Israel just a few months ago. Do you know that in the West bank you can sit in an open air coffeshop and have a latte ? I thought to myself of how thing seem to have greatly improved there from just a few years ago. But it was not so in the Gaza.
What offended me recently was an interview with what a very educated and well spoken Palestinian woman linked from Yahoo News(perhaps some of you saw it too). But all she did was lie. She said "It's important to note that the Hamas rockets do not have explosive heads". If that is so (and it is not) then launching those rockets into Israel is truly a stupid gesture. But then, I've seen personally seen the impact sites of those rockets. You don;t need to be an expert to tell that they definitely have exposive heads. Not only that, we found many blackened roofing nails around the impact site. These were obviously placed around the explosive head to become shrapnel.
She claimed that the tunnels were for smuggling food and humanitrian supplies. But, we all saw the IDF films from the F-16 cameras and what happenned when thier missles struck those tunnels. Funny that. I've never seen food and humanitarian aid supplies cause those kinds of secondary explosions (Oh right, that was the medical Isopropyl rubbing alcohol, my bad !! ).
She accused the interviewer of never having been to Gaza. I suppose that she did not do her homework because that interviewer has many times been there and told her so. Eventually he had to just cut her off.
I noted that every single statement she made was either an outright lie or misleading to the extreme. Does she comprehend just how much she damages her own credibility ? Every time I see any interview with here I now must question anything and everything she says. PALs, pick a better representative.
But all things considered, I think that Israel's actions were rash and unwise. All Hamas has to do is to survive and they will declare a victory.(and since most of them are outside of Gaza, you can bet that claim will be made). Sure it might temporarily halt the rocket threat, but they have just assured that there will be another generation of willing PAL militants who will remember all of this.
But on the other hand, what di the Hamas militants expect was going to happen when they resumed full sclate rocket attacks (by the way, for those of you who do not know, Hamas continued to launch rockets into Israel during the truce, just not so frequently. Hamas claimed that these were rogue militants not under their control - Yea right! But then, some Israeli's also violated the truce. But hey, those were rogue Israeli militants also ! See how it works ?
But there is one thing that is certain. Hamas is a roadblock to Palestinian peace and independence. With them in the picture, it will never happen. Given the contrast between life in the West Bank and life in Gaza the right choice should be obvious.
In some ways I do also assogn some responsibility for this to the Gazans. Surely they knew that when they elected Hamas into power that nothing good could possibly have come from it. not only that, they also had to know a vote for Hamas was a vote to greatly multiply their suffering.
If the Gazans want to move forward, have peace and prosperity for their people, they must get rid of Hamas. And they cannot say that n one told them so. They knew what would happen, and did it anyway. and this makes me wonder what is the mindset of the average Gazan.
In conclusion, this action by Israel was a bone-headed move. The Gazans electing Hamas and kicking out the PA was a boneheaded move. Firing rockets into Israel was a boneheaded move.
I have to wonder Is there anyone over there on either side who possess's any inteliigence or clarity of thought.
The Hamas charter calls for the total destruction of Israel, and says that negotiations and truces are a waste of time.
Posted by: Jim at January 10, 2009 03:32 PM (LRyI/)
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to all the doctors out there maybe you sould do more reading.you see for about a year now we haven't been doing mouth to mouth it is not needed only the chest conpressions.thought you should know doc and how can you tell a plastic surgen from a er doctor from a picture i'm impressed NOT
Posted by: joe ny at January 10, 2009 03:39 PM (n38LG)
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Joe, having been a paramedic for 17+ years, I can't tell a plastic surgeon from an ER doc, but I can tell a real code from a fake one. For any number of reasons, I am not buying into this one.
Posted by: Mikael at January 10, 2009 04:07 PM (cH4Yh)
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THANK YOU FOR THE CHANCE TO VOICE MY OPION. thank you for deleting my opion.guess it was to much for you think about.peace be with you
Posted by: JOE NY at January 10, 2009 04:20 PM (n38LG)
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mikael thank you i dont know codes or any of that med stuff. just know we dont blow in the mouth any more to save a life
Posted by: joe ny at January 10, 2009 04:25 PM (n38LG)
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A pox on all houses of fanaticism! The historical mythbusters should have a go at this - The idea of a Palistinian people and nation is a recent invention from the 1960s. Prior to the UN creation of the modern state of Israel in 1948 and the 1967 war, all persons living in that region were considered to be Egyptians, Jordanians and Syrians. After 1967, these countries saw fit to forget this after losing wars with Israel. They want nothing to do with them, especially after hothead "Palestinian Identity" groups or sympathetic groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood and their kin found ways to make themselves obnoxious to the rulers of these countries. Other countries have exploited this for their own purposes. We have many parties to thank for this sorry state of affairs - Locally, the message of Nasser's Pan-Arabism had fallen on many interested ears, both for ideolistic and evil, cynical reasons. The region is lousy with evil, oppressive and corrupt governments who were eager to misdirect the anger and frustration at home toward the "cause" elsewhere. The major players here have been Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria and Turkey. The USA and Russia are hardly blameless, Britain historically too. Those last countries have less ideological interest in the region than an interest strategically in controlling the oil supplies there. None of them have ever given a rats ass about "palestinians" or the Jews either. What we have there is a fine "Crips" and "bloods" thing going on a slighty larger scale, with a toxic mixture of oil, ethnic, tribal and religious hatred. These latter things have been in play in one form or another for millenia. Arguably, there is also an "industry of struggle" at work too. What would happen to all those entities whose livelihoods and reasons for existance would evaporate without "this cause" or "that crusade" or "the intifadah" to do exploit. It would fall apart as if Prohibition or the "war on drugs" were called off and legalized.
On the ground, if everyone is really concerned about leaving non-combatants in peace, stop firing rockets and mortars into Israel (BONEHEADED!)and Israel will stop its actions in Gaza. It would be helpful for the outside powers to cease encouraging this mischief which does no good to any innocent civilian caught in the middle of this.
Eschew this false doctrine of Allah will sort out his own, or "Our God has a bigger dick than your god, therefore is on OUR side" This is not helpful.
Real men should not hide behind the skirts of women and children, Hospitals and Sacred places. If they feel they must make war, let them go forth, fight and die openly, like soldiers of real nations. There is honor in that, everything else is cowardly, swineish, devoid of glory. One does not earn martyrdom this way. No one gets virgins after death.
Religion is a stupid thing to make war over.
It is absurd and wrong to define your humanity, and that of others based on choice of religion.
It is absurd to kill and die on behalf of any god (invisible or otherwise) that will not provably return the favor personally.
Time, demographics and the ballot box will eventually sort this out without another shot being fired in anger.
Keep your lives. Love your children. Teach them the Golden Rule (not the one with the gold and ruling). Grow and thrive in peace. Diversify your media choices. Think for yourselves. Bad things inevitably happen to those how leave that to others. JAS
PS: This contributer works for the frequently Criticized News Network. I have heard it said that when your network is criticized by all sides, that it is doing the best possible job.
On the ground, if everyone is really concerned about leaving non-combatants in peace, stop firing rockets and mortars into Israel (BONEHEADED!)and Israel will stop its actions in Gaza. It would be helpful for the outside powers to cease encouraging this mischief which does no good to any innocent civilian caught in the middle of this.
Eschew this false doctrine of Allah will sort out his own, or "Our God has a bigger dick than your god, therefore is on OUR side" This is not helpful.
Real men should not hide behind the skirts of women and children, Hospitals and Sacred places. If they feel they must make war, let them go forth, fight and die openly, like soldiers of real nations. There is honor in that, everything else is cowardly, swineish, devoid of glory. One does not earn martyrdom this way. No one gets virgins after death.
Religion is a stupid thing to make war over.
It is absurd and wrong to define your humanity, and that of others based on choice of religion.
It is absurd to kill and die on behalf of any god (invisible or otherwise) that will not provably return the favor personally.
Time, demographics and the ballot box will eventually sort this out without another shot being fired in anger.
Keep your lives. Love your children. Teach them the Golden Rule (not the one with the gold and ruling). Grow and thrive in peace. Diversify your media choices. Think for yourselves. Bad things inevitably happen to those how leave that to others. JAS
PS: This contributer works for the frequently Criticized News Network. I have heard it said that when your network is criticized by all sides, that it is doing the best possible job.
Posted by: Jesse at January 10, 2009 04:45 PM (KZ/Ox)
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this is a joke you all talk about lies and fake news yet most of what is said here is just bs and i bet one guy sitting all alone in a celler typing to himself there is know real chat just the one sided kill them all crap soorry i ever stop here peace be with you all
Posted by: joe ny at January 10, 2009 04:48 PM (n38LG)
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Joe,
Controlling the airway and ventilating the patient is still part of an in-hospital resuscitation. You're referring to bystander CPR which is not the situation at this Norwegian hospital in Gaza.
The Norwegian doctor is identified (by name) as a surgeon in the UK Channel 4 video.
Controlling the airway and ventilating the patient is still part of an in-hospital resuscitation. You're referring to bystander CPR which is not the situation at this Norwegian hospital in Gaza.
The Norwegian doctor is identified (by name) as a surgeon in the UK Channel 4 video.
Posted by: TLM at January 10, 2009 05:27 PM (VOL2j)
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SIMdoc,
Look at 0:40 on the video. There is clearly tape across the right face leading to the mouth. This would suggest the patient has been intubated. You cannot actually see the face in the video during the code, so I'm not sure how anyone can say the patient isn't being ventilated. They show a tech or someone to the left of the patient and to the right of the worker doing compressions, so perhaps he's providing the bagging.
Look at 0:40 on the video. There is clearly tape across the right face leading to the mouth. This would suggest the patient has been intubated. You cannot actually see the face in the video during the code, so I'm not sure how anyone can say the patient isn't being ventilated. They show a tech or someone to the left of the patient and to the right of the worker doing compressions, so perhaps he's providing the bagging.
Posted by: SPW at January 10, 2009 06:09 PM (VftLx)
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Posted by: Wkvenajn at January 10, 2009 11:28 PM (fU49a)
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"Posted by: alex pawel at January 10, 2009 08:22 AM
it all goes back to simple politics. if israel treated there neighbors with respect i would bet my house that rockets would rain down no more.
One must relieze hamas isn't firing the rockets for the hell of it. they didn't wake up one morning and decide out of the blue to fire off a few rockets. no, it's built up rage they are angry at israeli politics."
Your basic problem is that you dwell in ignorance. If you had even a miniscule understanding of history you would know that what you said is pure BS. For many years, Hamas has stated bold-facedly that they wanted all the Jews dead. They don't care whether Israelites drop bombs on them or not, they will kill every Jew they can reach until "Palestine" is totally clear of Jews. They aren't interested in a better life for the people of Gaza; all the Gazans are are tools to be used and killed by Hamas. The proof of that is in the history of the Gaza Strip since before Hamas took it over, illegally! They know that if they fire enough rockets and send in enough suicide bombers then Israel will retaliate; then imbeciles like you will all jump up screaming about how the Jews are killers and inhumanitarian and try to bring the UN, the Arab league, and every Arab country screaming for the Jews to be tried for war crimes. Of course no one ever mentions about the Hamas killing innocent civilians; men, women and children; on purpose. Just as they have been doing with their rockets for years.
Israel moved out of the Gaza Strip in 2006, forcibly moving Jewish settlers by use of the IDF. Israel left homes, businesses, and many green houses capable of turning out food to feed the Gazans and what happened? The Gazans destroyed everything the Jews left for them, Voilz, no food and then they cried to the world that the Israelis wouldn't feed them and the idiots at the UN sent in food whgich was taken by Hamas so that Hamas could look like saviors to the ignorant Gazans who then voted Hamas into government which turned on the legal government and killed them, imprisoned them, or chased them out of the Strip.
So, who do you think are the bad guys? The Jews who tried to help the "Palestinians" build a country or Hamas who are busy tearing the place apart, using food sent in to Gaza to buy arms to attack Israel?
DUHHHHH :p
it all goes back to simple politics. if israel treated there neighbors with respect i would bet my house that rockets would rain down no more.
One must relieze hamas isn't firing the rockets for the hell of it. they didn't wake up one morning and decide out of the blue to fire off a few rockets. no, it's built up rage they are angry at israeli politics."
Your basic problem is that you dwell in ignorance. If you had even a miniscule understanding of history you would know that what you said is pure BS. For many years, Hamas has stated bold-facedly that they wanted all the Jews dead. They don't care whether Israelites drop bombs on them or not, they will kill every Jew they can reach until "Palestine" is totally clear of Jews. They aren't interested in a better life for the people of Gaza; all the Gazans are are tools to be used and killed by Hamas. The proof of that is in the history of the Gaza Strip since before Hamas took it over, illegally! They know that if they fire enough rockets and send in enough suicide bombers then Israel will retaliate; then imbeciles like you will all jump up screaming about how the Jews are killers and inhumanitarian and try to bring the UN, the Arab league, and every Arab country screaming for the Jews to be tried for war crimes. Of course no one ever mentions about the Hamas killing innocent civilians; men, women and children; on purpose. Just as they have been doing with their rockets for years.
Israel moved out of the Gaza Strip in 2006, forcibly moving Jewish settlers by use of the IDF. Israel left homes, businesses, and many green houses capable of turning out food to feed the Gazans and what happened? The Gazans destroyed everything the Jews left for them, Voilz, no food and then they cried to the world that the Israelis wouldn't feed them and the idiots at the UN sent in food whgich was taken by Hamas so that Hamas could look like saviors to the ignorant Gazans who then voted Hamas into government which turned on the legal government and killed them, imprisoned them, or chased them out of the Strip.
So, who do you think are the bad guys? The Jews who tried to help the "Palestinians" build a country or Hamas who are busy tearing the place apart, using food sent in to Gaza to buy arms to attack Israel?
DUHHHHH :p
Posted by: PhotoPro at January 10, 2009 11:32 PM (5SyNb)
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Let us pray for the safety of Palestinian civilians who held hostages by Hamas and the safety of Israeli soldiers. May this campaign end swiftly and may Hamas be annihilated. May moderate Muslims emerge victorious in the struggle for Gaza!
http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2009/01/israel-invades-gaza-in-attempt-to.html
http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2009/01/israel-invades-gaza-in-attempt-to.html
Posted by: Muslims Against Sharia at January 11, 2009 12:09 AM (cJOhW)
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PS: This contributer works for the frequently Criticized News Network. I have heard it said that when your network is criticized by all sides, that it is doing the best possible job.
Another possibility is that it's doing an awful job.
Another possibility is that it's doing an awful job.
Posted by: Pablo at January 11, 2009 09:02 AM (yTndK)
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Probably because they're hooked on al-Jazeera, Al Safi. Who, btw, make the "Israeli Nazis" look like pikers.
Posted by: Pablo at January 11, 2009 11:32 AM (yTndK)
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Moses,your interpretations of history would anger any history teacher to give you an "F-"!
Posted by: Al Safi at January 11, 2009 05:25 PM (akWBb)
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