Pro-Hamas Doctors Caught Faking A Civilian Death... After CNN Airs Footage
Mads Gilbert, the radical Marxist Norwegian doctor that was the focus of a Fox News report earlier today for being an anti-Israeli Hamas apologist, has been positively identified as one of two doctors caught faking CPR on a Palestinian boy that "died" in video featured today on CNN.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 07:04 PM
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Wow! The Israelis shot the boys with a missile from a UAV. I checked their OOB for UAVs and didn't see any that carry missiles or other ordnance. Can anyone help?
Posted by: Bob R at January 08, 2009 08:11 PM (nuNde)
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The Israelis ought to shoot that Norwegian along with the videographer as Hamas terrorists. Do that a few times and these clowns won't be so brazen.
Posted by: cubanbob at January 08, 2009 08:39 PM (R7fCv)
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The leftist shills masquerading as "journalists" in the MSM wouldn't know a real journalist if they bumped into one on the street. As a Roman Catholic who only attends Mass at funerals and weddings, I would say this to the government of Israel - keep the pressure on until Hamas comes out of the rat holes they're hiding in and declares that Israel has a right to exist. If those gutless cowards don't come out, drop the leaflets and begin carpet bombing in Gaza.
Posted by: Still Bill at January 08, 2009 09:16 PM (i3QUw)
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I have run more codes than I can count. That is clearly a fake, and a very bad one. Where was Sanjay Gupta when they approved this video for publication?
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Posted by: Jason at January 08, 2009 10:07 PM (sQ3gH)
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I'm with Jason. last code was Tuesday, 0115 AM. I trained hundreds of people in First Aid/CPR and the most stupid student could fake it better than the Dr. But then when you play to the Lame Stream Media anything will pass if you are the enemy of Israel or the U.S.. Thank God a lot of the Lame Stream Media types will be unemployed in short order, or maybe they will be short order cooks at McDonalds.
Posted by: Scrapiron at January 08, 2009 10:22 PM (GAf+S)
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As a sometime Christian, a concerned classical liberal, and fiscal conservative who sometimes does a little plumbing, knows CPR, majored in Journalism in High School, and carried a union card for 30 years while serving in management of an agency whose security clearance would have allowed me to snitch on a private citizen had I really wanted to, and helped develop the GIS that makes smart bomb/UAV navigation reliable, and also helped dig a tunnel once and can drive a bulldozer if the job calls for it (did I leave anything out, trolls?), I'd like to say you wouldn't get this bull-puckey past Joe The Plumber. Just sayin, thank you.
Posted by: comatus at January 08, 2009 10:28 PM (IsW34)
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Wow . . . CPR instructors look more real than that doing fake compressions on students, and they're not trying to fool anybody. At first I thought, "Well, maybe they just showed what had already been done before the boy died, you know, for the cameras." Still not real, but a dead child is a dead child whether you recorded the CPR live or not.
But it doesn't make much sense to be so gingerly with the patented Chi-Powered No-Touch Chest Compressions unless the "patient" is alive--you wouldn't hurt a dead body by doing the real compressions. Pretty brazen.
But it doesn't make much sense to be so gingerly with the patented Chi-Powered No-Touch Chest Compressions unless the "patient" is alive--you wouldn't hurt a dead body by doing the real compressions. Pretty brazen.
Posted by: Don Gwinn at January 08, 2009 10:45 PM (AvqP+)
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CNN should have had soon-to-be U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Sanjay Gupta review the video before broadcasting it!
Posted by: Howard at January 08, 2009 11:09 PM (rArcz)
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Where was Sanjay Gupta
Where was the surgeon general? probably the one saying "get that stupid crap off the screen!"
I only had first aid cpr training when I was in the service, our training dolls required real pressure, and the doc's got kinda pissed if you didn't put enough pressure on it. One of the rules we were told is "you ARE gonna break ribs, but better broken ribs than a dead EFFING FRIEND! PUSH!"
Where was the surgeon general? probably the one saying "get that stupid crap off the screen!"
I only had first aid cpr training when I was in the service, our training dolls required real pressure, and the doc's got kinda pissed if you didn't put enough pressure on it. One of the rules we were told is "you ARE gonna break ribs, but better broken ribs than a dead EFFING FRIEND! PUSH!"
Posted by: Wickedpinto at January 09, 2009 12:13 AM (ul7te)
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Even if the video was fake, so what? It was accurate and it showed the war crimes Israel is committing every moment of the day. That narrative is important here.
Man, I could write for the NY Times with analysis like that.
Man, I could write for the NY Times with analysis like that.
Posted by: Vinny F. at January 09, 2009 01:03 AM (5J2A5)
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Israel must have the weakest UAV bombs on the market if they didn't manage to do more damage than that. Miraculously it only made a small dent in the roof, broke part of a cinder block, and killed one of two boys seemingly without causing any external injuries.
"Go ahead and play on the roof boys, it's safe up there! Don't mind the Israeli bombers flying overhead!"
Yeah, who believes this crap? Oh, right.
"Go ahead and play on the roof boys, it's safe up there! Don't mind the Israeli bombers flying overhead!"
Yeah, who believes this crap? Oh, right.
Posted by: George at January 09, 2009 03:34 AM (ypuiF)
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Man, I am surprised with Vinny F. acceptance of fake reporting. I guess the objective of this did not ring a bell to you. When you are concern, you evaluate the whole situation and not just superficial.
Be realistic, the casualties of the war aren't the crimes of the Israelis alone. It shows how little you understand about war and it's repercussions.
Why didn't you condemn Hama for continuingly firing rockets that eventually led to this whole suffering?
The best solution for the people in both Palestine and Israel is to live in peace, respect each other rights and to refrain from violence.
Let's not rub salt over the wounds.
Be realistic, the casualties of the war aren't the crimes of the Israelis alone. It shows how little you understand about war and it's repercussions.
Why didn't you condemn Hama for continuingly firing rockets that eventually led to this whole suffering?
The best solution for the people in both Palestine and Israel is to live in peace, respect each other rights and to refrain from violence.
Let's not rub salt over the wounds.
Posted by: eric yeo at January 09, 2009 04:02 AM (o3uY7)
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Vinny F:
Do you condone false reporting of alledged facts by supposedly respectable journalists, in order to promote their partisan political agenda? Would you condone such behaviour if your opponents did this?
Do you condone false reporting of alledged facts by supposedly respectable journalists, in order to promote their partisan political agenda? Would you condone such behaviour if your opponents did this?
Posted by: John McLachlan at January 09, 2009 04:50 AM (aKiF4)
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I have no medical background but how long does it take for rigor mortis to set in? When they are taking the boy to be buried it looks like his head is moving from side to side and his body is flexible.
Posted by: Ken at January 09, 2009 05:55 AM (d+HYY)
Posted by: Non-believer at January 09, 2009 06:35 AM (T/dRD)
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Funny, and here I thought Vinny was mocking the MSM and their resolute refusal to abandon their narrative even as it crumbles beneath them.
So, Eric, John, and Ken, where could I get a really cool stick inserted up my butt just like the ones you've got? Did it get shoved far enough to knock some IQ points out of your head?
So, Eric, John, and Ken, where could I get a really cool stick inserted up my butt just like the ones you've got? Did it get shoved far enough to knock some IQ points out of your head?
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at January 09, 2009 06:36 AM (Vcyz0)
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Yeah Steve, I agree. A word to the wise Vinny. There is so much stupid stuff getting posted on blogs that everyone's sarco-meter is hopelessly out of calibration. I don't think they're even available anymore. You have to do it like this: "Yeah right, and monkeys are going to fly out of my butt any second. /sarc." Otherwise the Eric, John, and Kens of the world will be referring you to a proctologist.
Posted by: smellthecoffee at January 09, 2009 09:12 AM (avj2M)
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Vinny had me fooled for a moment, until I took a second to parse his final sentence: "Man, I could write for the NY Times with analysis like that."
Actually, I would guess CBS News. That was the Dan Rather defense, no? "Fake but accurate?"
We see the same, manufactured nonsense every time Palestine flares up, and you have to ask why people don't wonder, "If there are real atrocities being committed here, why do the Palestinians have to manufacture evidence of them?"
Actually, I would guess CBS News. That was the Dan Rather defense, no? "Fake but accurate?"
We see the same, manufactured nonsense every time Palestine flares up, and you have to ask why people don't wonder, "If there are real atrocities being committed here, why do the Palestinians have to manufacture evidence of them?"
Posted by: Plumb Bob at January 09, 2009 09:58 AM (nVK2J)
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To answer the question, rigor mortis sets in at about 3 hours, reaches it's peak in 12 hours, then dissipates for about the next 72 hours.
Posted by: Angela at January 09, 2009 10:07 AM (MnwcT)
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We can look forward to more and more brazen lie-mongering. I note that these figures of 800-odd dead of which half are non-combatants come only from Hamas/UN sources. We can be certain that they correlate with reality only to the extent these sources perceive that correlation to benefit Hamas. Let's not forget the fictive Jenin Massacre which was staged with much higher production values. I guess in these tough times even HamasTV has to do with less.
Posted by: megapotamus at January 09, 2009 10:24 AM (LF+qW)
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I've run codes too. They were doing infant cpr on a child, and poorly. Maybe the med schools there are crap or it was faked!
Posted by: matt at January 09, 2009 11:49 AM (vkiAn)
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Criminy! I've never taken CPR training, to my shame, but even I could take that was phony!
Posted by: Kate at January 09, 2009 12:00 PM (w6jnz)
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As a Roman Catholic who attends mass weekly+, I encourage Isra-El to fight the good fight against the invading mohamedans.
I am a Zionist. When the dhimmis at the UN and the House of Saud insinuate that Israel's statehood and borders are not legitimate, let us ask about the other "created" countries: transJordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon. Israel got
Long Live Isra-El!
I am a Zionist. When the dhimmis at the UN and the House of Saud insinuate that Israel's statehood and borders are not legitimate, let us ask about the other "created" countries: transJordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon. Israel got
Long Live Isra-El!
Posted by: Still Tracy at January 09, 2009 02:14 PM (6+UU6)
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I was wondering when we were going to see Green Helmet (the Hezbollah war crime faker) make his appearance in Gaza.
Posted by: CHRIS at January 09, 2009 02:39 PM (5P+LB)
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Vinny F was joking douche bags. This proves what a heinous lying religion "Islam" is -- well, actually a death cult. Fuck Islam, Fuck the Arab Muslims, and Fuck the so-called Palestinians. Go ISRAEL.. SHOW THOSE FUCKERS.
Posted by: Earth Ling at January 09, 2009 03:57 PM (itbhV)
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This is blatant propaganda. The Jihadists made their civilians part of the army when they announced they would use them as human shields. If they are willingly staying there they are supporting the terrorist regime by acting as shields. They should tell all civilians to walk to a holding pen across the border and then level all of Gaza and then tell them to revote on who they want in power because option A) Hamas was the wrong answer.
Posted by: Kirk at January 09, 2009 04:02 PM (9mwnL)
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Earth Ling,
There is nothing wrong with islam, either your a troll or an idiot
Islam is the religion of peace, the members of Hamas may call themselves muslims but they are just as much muslims as the crusaders were
There is nothing wrong with islam, either your a troll or an idiot
Islam is the religion of peace, the members of Hamas may call themselves muslims but they are just as much muslims as the crusaders were
Posted by: MAModerate at January 09, 2009 04:14 PM (cRzwd)
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What I see in the video is a doctor on the left pointing to the monitor shwowing that the EKG is flat and the boy is dead. On the right hand side, an unscholared volunteer palestinian "health worker" is still trying to give CPR, and this urges the doctor to once again point to the monitor. Although this doctor is a leftwing activist, he is also a respected professor of Emergency medicine and he obviously knows what he is doing, even if his non-professional assistant is not.
Posted by: Hew at January 09, 2009 04:16 PM (1KQPr)
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None of this theater surprises me. I have seen two different pictures of the same live but injured(?)
child, in two different settings held by two different grieving males. The child does not look distressed...This child is obviously being used for propaganda purposes. Then there is the faked Al-Dura incident, and others, manufactured by 'Palestinian theater for the gullible'...
Are you that gullible? Apparently some are.
child, in two different settings held by two different grieving males. The child does not look distressed...This child is obviously being used for propaganda purposes. Then there is the faked Al-Dura incident, and others, manufactured by 'Palestinian theater for the gullible'...
Are you that gullible? Apparently some are.
Posted by: duh_swami at January 09, 2009 04:19 PM (BH3pO)
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So.
The kid was supposedly hit by a missile from an Israeli UAV.
Has anyone wondered why there was enough of him left to collect?
Shouldn't there be just a small, bloody pile of miscellaneous body parts on the table?
Even with an explosion, missiles carry a fairly high amount of kinetic energy.
The kid was supposedly hit by a missile from an Israeli UAV.
Has anyone wondered why there was enough of him left to collect?
Shouldn't there be just a small, bloody pile of miscellaneous body parts on the table?
Even with an explosion, missiles carry a fairly high amount of kinetic energy.
Posted by: mdgiles at January 09, 2009 05:16 PM (FyQWO)
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Really? Was he hit spot-on? Or are you just imagining?
Posted by: Hew at January 09, 2009 05:25 PM (1KQPr)
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Hew,
A doctor over at SDA ended your monitor hypothesis, saying:
As a physician who has just finished doing a resuscitation last shift, I agree with the analysis by Last Mohican.
The CPR is fake. There is no ventilation, the chest compressions are pitiful.
Moreover the interesting thing is that the monitor is beeping, but doesn't look like it has asystole on it. In fact it is making the noise it makes when it is unplugged from the patient or an error vs. a serious interpreted event (some monitors can tell if their leads are plugged in). Also while it is beeping the caucasian doctor is putting the chest lead electrodes on the kid's chest, while the other guy is doing fake CPR, meaning the monitor was not actually attached to the patient.
The monitor wasn't plugged in. Gilbert's acting is looking worse all the time.
As for comments about missile warheads, I can address that.
No known Israeli UAVs are armed, even though Palestinians have been making such claims for several years.
Of known armed western UAVs, such as the U.S. Predator, if they carry a missile, they carry a variant of the anti-tank Hellfire missile, a beast of a weapon originally designed to kill main battle tanks in top-down strikes with spectacular results. The wars we fight have now led to a Hellfire has a modded warhead that is now designed to be far more effective on structures, and you can see the handiwork of such weapons in the fields or piles of rubble that remain after a UAV drone strikes teh Taliban or al Qaeda safe houses in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Simply put, neither this structure nor anyone on it was hit by any precision guided air-to-ground system in operation today. The footage simply rules it out.
mdgiles is correct: if the roof had been hit directly by a missile like those on today's UAVs, they would not find much of him.
Or of that house, for that matter.
A doctor over at SDA ended your monitor hypothesis, saying:
As a physician who has just finished doing a resuscitation last shift, I agree with the analysis by Last Mohican.
The CPR is fake. There is no ventilation, the chest compressions are pitiful.
Moreover the interesting thing is that the monitor is beeping, but doesn't look like it has asystole on it. In fact it is making the noise it makes when it is unplugged from the patient or an error vs. a serious interpreted event (some monitors can tell if their leads are plugged in). Also while it is beeping the caucasian doctor is putting the chest lead electrodes on the kid's chest, while the other guy is doing fake CPR, meaning the monitor was not actually attached to the patient.
The monitor wasn't plugged in. Gilbert's acting is looking worse all the time.
As for comments about missile warheads, I can address that.
No known Israeli UAVs are armed, even though Palestinians have been making such claims for several years.
Of known armed western UAVs, such as the U.S. Predator, if they carry a missile, they carry a variant of the anti-tank Hellfire missile, a beast of a weapon originally designed to kill main battle tanks in top-down strikes with spectacular results. The wars we fight have now led to a Hellfire has a modded warhead that is now designed to be far more effective on structures, and you can see the handiwork of such weapons in the fields or piles of rubble that remain after a UAV drone strikes teh Taliban or al Qaeda safe houses in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Simply put, neither this structure nor anyone on it was hit by any precision guided air-to-ground system in operation today. The footage simply rules it out.
mdgiles is correct: if the roof had been hit directly by a missile like those on today's UAVs, they would not find much of him.
Or of that house, for that matter.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 09, 2009 05:44 PM (HcgFD)
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I am an Emergency Room physician and have been in private practice for more than five years. I run codes frequently, and thankfully very few of them are on children.
I have to thoroughly disagree with the other physicians who claim this is fake. Is it AHA approved CPR? No. He appears to be giving infant CPR to a child. That's why the compressions are fast and shallow. And they aren't "delicate" either. You can see the child moving up and down in the bed with the compressions.
In terms of ventilation, the child is not receiving any. Which would lead me to believe they basically brought the child in, started CPR, got him on the monitor, recognized that he was in asystole, and called it. It's Gaza and it is likely they save their intubations for those that they can save, not a flat lined trauma victim.
As for the body not looking dead, his head sure is wobbling around like a dead person. And Angela is correct, rigidity after death begins roughly three to four hours later, so the arm comment is ridiculous.
I can't comment on ballistics and the like, but I will say the allegations about the CPR not being real are made by someone who apparently doesn't really know what they are talking about. And unfortunately they are being propped up by doctors in the comment section who don't seem to be looking at it objectively.
Pretty shameful really.
I have to thoroughly disagree with the other physicians who claim this is fake. Is it AHA approved CPR? No. He appears to be giving infant CPR to a child. That's why the compressions are fast and shallow. And they aren't "delicate" either. You can see the child moving up and down in the bed with the compressions.
In terms of ventilation, the child is not receiving any. Which would lead me to believe they basically brought the child in, started CPR, got him on the monitor, recognized that he was in asystole, and called it. It's Gaza and it is likely they save their intubations for those that they can save, not a flat lined trauma victim.
As for the body not looking dead, his head sure is wobbling around like a dead person. And Angela is correct, rigidity after death begins roughly three to four hours later, so the arm comment is ridiculous.
I can't comment on ballistics and the like, but I will say the allegations about the CPR not being real are made by someone who apparently doesn't really know what they are talking about. And unfortunately they are being propped up by doctors in the comment section who don't seem to be looking at it objectively.
Pretty shameful really.
Posted by: SPW at January 09, 2009 06:07 PM (VftLx)
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You've got really good eyes, SPW, to see what you saw. They barely show the child's torso at all in the hospital until the second segment, and I've watched this video frame-by-frame. There, the boy is not moving up and down, though the doctor leaning on the gurney seems to be moving it a little bit. Not quite the same thing, but you're welcome to your opinion.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 09, 2009 06:26 PM (HcgFD)
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MAModerate, Earth Ling, and all who took the time to post:
You are all correct. Any death (if this child was really dead, only they know) is regrettable, and there is nothing inherently wrong with Islam. It's the radical clerics and war-mongers using the name of Allah and Mohamed, calling for Martyrs (Kamakazi pilots in WWII) from a population that figures their families will be better off with the money that Hamas gives them for their deaths (as well as the many virgins they'll meet, supposedly, in heaven).
What we must not lose site of is that when people are only shown one side of a story, they tend to side with those who are "educating" them. Perhaps, if anyone _in_ Palestinian territories has Internet access and can correct me, then I will be wrong in saying that the majority of people there are NOT ALLOWED to get their information and education from anywhere other than their clerics and a biased media.
Remember a few months ago when battery acid was thrown on a few girls on their way to school trying to get an basic education?! If this is permitted to continue, then there is little hope for a turn to prosperity for those struggling to survive; the only way out they see is through violence directed towards those who they are TOLD are the problem by their clerics (Israel for "insurgence").
In case anyone wasn't aware, Israel has a 3-pronged counter-attack strategy for dealing with terrorists:
1. Find the terrorists.
2. Find the organizations responsible for funding or aiding the terrorists.
3. Find the town/city/state that the terrorists attacked from and/or hide in.
This is supposed to dissuade cities, countries and good people from harboring terrorists through economic loss.
Asside from lack of education, another real problem is the governments of the countries where peaceful settlers were once living. Those countries allied to attack Israel back in 1967 and 1973 (6-day and Yom Kippur wars), and on many other occasions... After both of these wars, Israel GAVE BACK most, if not all, of the land it had secured, and the (Palestinian) people on that land -- caught in the middle -- were not accepted by those countries' governments... Who do these poor people have to turn to if they do not/are not allowed to accept Israel's aid??
Unfortunately, it seems that the militant factions -- remnants from those wars, who continuously and randomly send rockets into Israel are refusing to acknowledge the loss of life of these poor people from defensive retaliation, are refusing to see and let these people see the reality of what caused this conflict and are refusing to let their brethren and others move on to seek a more prosperous, cooperative way of living WITH their neighbors of their own free will. This is a shame. I do pray this will change through better "education" and more neutral media coverage.
Thank you for reading. Shalom.
==_-+- Steve
You are all correct. Any death (if this child was really dead, only they know) is regrettable, and there is nothing inherently wrong with Islam. It's the radical clerics and war-mongers using the name of Allah and Mohamed, calling for Martyrs (Kamakazi pilots in WWII) from a population that figures their families will be better off with the money that Hamas gives them for their deaths (as well as the many virgins they'll meet, supposedly, in heaven).
What we must not lose site of is that when people are only shown one side of a story, they tend to side with those who are "educating" them. Perhaps, if anyone _in_ Palestinian territories has Internet access and can correct me, then I will be wrong in saying that the majority of people there are NOT ALLOWED to get their information and education from anywhere other than their clerics and a biased media.
Remember a few months ago when battery acid was thrown on a few girls on their way to school trying to get an basic education?! If this is permitted to continue, then there is little hope for a turn to prosperity for those struggling to survive; the only way out they see is through violence directed towards those who they are TOLD are the problem by their clerics (Israel for "insurgence").
In case anyone wasn't aware, Israel has a 3-pronged counter-attack strategy for dealing with terrorists:
1. Find the terrorists.
2. Find the organizations responsible for funding or aiding the terrorists.
3. Find the town/city/state that the terrorists attacked from and/or hide in.
This is supposed to dissuade cities, countries and good people from harboring terrorists through economic loss.
Asside from lack of education, another real problem is the governments of the countries where peaceful settlers were once living. Those countries allied to attack Israel back in 1967 and 1973 (6-day and Yom Kippur wars), and on many other occasions... After both of these wars, Israel GAVE BACK most, if not all, of the land it had secured, and the (Palestinian) people on that land -- caught in the middle -- were not accepted by those countries' governments... Who do these poor people have to turn to if they do not/are not allowed to accept Israel's aid??
Unfortunately, it seems that the militant factions -- remnants from those wars, who continuously and randomly send rockets into Israel are refusing to acknowledge the loss of life of these poor people from defensive retaliation, are refusing to see and let these people see the reality of what caused this conflict and are refusing to let their brethren and others move on to seek a more prosperous, cooperative way of living WITH their neighbors of their own free will. This is a shame. I do pray this will change through better "education" and more neutral media coverage.
Thank you for reading. Shalom.
==_-+- Steve
Posted by: Steven B at January 09, 2009 06:43 PM (RRm7u)
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You seem to be trying to turn the tables on me; the burden of evidence is not mine in this argument.
You see, I do not have much of a hypothesis, it is you and a few other people putting forth a conspiracy theory that the video is a fake who are stating a hypothesis that remains very much unfounded.
But there is no evidence of fake, just a series of rather dubious statements on how we are supposed to interpret a confusing little flick.
Did anybody say "Loose change"? So far, that's about where you're at as far as I'm concerned.
I still see a dead boy, a doctor who knows the patient is dead, and another person in a robe doing half-hearted going-through-the-motions CPR.
I am not sure of what is actually going on. But I am sure that you are peddling a conspiracy theory that is unsubstantiated.
As for all the self-proclaimed "doctors" commenting here on the web, I am sure that a few medical journals would be interested in a well founded article exposing doctor Gilbert, a reknown professor of Emergency medicine, as a fake.
Your whole case seems to rest on the apparently half-hearted movements which may or may be not be attempts at CPR.
That's not a very strong case.
(English is not my native language, please forgive any mistakes.)
You see, I do not have much of a hypothesis, it is you and a few other people putting forth a conspiracy theory that the video is a fake who are stating a hypothesis that remains very much unfounded.
But there is no evidence of fake, just a series of rather dubious statements on how we are supposed to interpret a confusing little flick.
Did anybody say "Loose change"? So far, that's about where you're at as far as I'm concerned.
I still see a dead boy, a doctor who knows the patient is dead, and another person in a robe doing half-hearted going-through-the-motions CPR.
I am not sure of what is actually going on. But I am sure that you are peddling a conspiracy theory that is unsubstantiated.
As for all the self-proclaimed "doctors" commenting here on the web, I am sure that a few medical journals would be interested in a well founded article exposing doctor Gilbert, a reknown professor of Emergency medicine, as a fake.
Your whole case seems to rest on the apparently half-hearted movements which may or may be not be attempts at CPR.
That's not a very strong case.
(English is not my native language, please forgive any mistakes.)
Posted by: Hew at January 09, 2009 06:51 PM (1KQPr)
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This "distinction" between Islam and the supposed "radical" elements that have "hijacked" the "religion of peace" is ridiculous. Over the last 12 days, in virtually ever major city in the world, we have witnessed the adherents of Islam, protesting, carrying placards with the most vile of words. Many openly shouting, "you need an oven" you need a "big oven". Burning, setting hundreds of cars on fire, looting, and threatening Jews. I saw NO counter demonstrations from the non-radical portion of Islam. In fact, there has been none, ever. Any objective reading of the Qu'ran, would quickly reveal why. Islam is at odds with non-believers, and there can be no peaceful co-habitation with them, either. Dhimmi status is as good as it gets for the infidel. There has been NO hijacking of the "religion of peace", no no, just an adherents to the Qu'ran by all who practice this, "religion of peace". They are ALL good followers, too!!
Posted by: cottoneyed at January 09, 2009 07:07 PM (d7TSj)
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I think SPW makes some pretty good points in this. I'm not an expert on CPR or in the medical field, but I fail to see it is fake, as in the boy is alive in anyway, though can't say he's dead either. Anyway, as for the other parts, obviously just pushing the narrative. Wish people would open their eyes on what Hamas does.
Posted by: G at January 09, 2009 07:26 PM (+Wajk)
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I'm confused.
Faking A Civilian Death or faking CPR?
To me the death is real.
Not the CPR.
But why the title is Pro-Hamas Doctors Caught Faking A Civilian Death, isnt supossed Pro-Hamas Doctors Caught Faking A CPR???
Faking A Civilian Death or faking CPR?
To me the death is real.
Not the CPR.
But why the title is Pro-Hamas Doctors Caught Faking A Civilian Death, isnt supossed Pro-Hamas Doctors Caught Faking A CPR???
Posted by: neutral at January 09, 2009 10:12 PM (CduSN)
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I have been a RN for the last 22 years and have participated in a few codes. This whole thing looks staged to me. The chest compressions are ineffective, to say the least. There is no attempt at an airway. In the field the Red Cross has changed to make compressions more important, but in the hospital setting where there is staff to intubate, that would be the norm. The monitor is beeping before the doc even places the leads. Did anyone see any IV lines? I have watched it a couple of times and I swear that I hear the Cauc. doc saying the boy is in bradycardia, not asystole. They don't even attempt any medications. This whole thing is a fake. Then, when they have the child at home and at the graveside the body is pretty loose, with no rigor.
Posted by: iamarn37 at January 10, 2009 07:43 AM (VvGHj)
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I'm against war and take no sides in this conflict, but the video is very questionable. The doctors' actions (aside from the CPR) don't look like anything I've seen in an emergency room or on reality TV shows that follow doctors - there's no immediacy, chaos or effort. At one point, one of the doctors puts his finger on the overhead monitor to show the kid is dead - who does that? The family's reaction doesn't look like any footage of a family that just lost a child - no screaming, no falling down, no shouts of "death to Israel." Do families have to do this? No. But most videos of grieving families have it? Yes.
With all the death in Gaza, I don't know why anybody would need to fake one.
With all the death in Gaza, I don't know why anybody would need to fake one.
Posted by: fzlover at January 10, 2009 08:33 AM (0rE5M)
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To all the Hamas apologists out there, just who does have the burden of proof? You have a video, shot and provided by Hamas propoganda scum that includes an openly anti-Israeli doctor who justified 9-11. In order to believe anything that comes out of hamas or that idiot of a doctor, I would have to witness the dead body myself, along with the alleged attack.
Allegedly he's a doctor, but that means nothing in terms of credibility. A tool for the terrorists palestinians comes in all shapes and sizes. The only thing common about them is that they are all idiots.
As are you.
Allegedly he's a doctor, but that means nothing in terms of credibility. A tool for the terrorists palestinians comes in all shapes and sizes. The only thing common about them is that they are all idiots.
As are you.
Posted by: Jack Burton at January 10, 2009 11:13 AM (YxJoH)
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There are many hollywood wantabees' in this type of propaganda. This is one of the oldest tricks in the book on warfare, setting it up to make it appear like the other side is doing the
dirty-deed. Hamas get out go home.
dirty-deed. Hamas get out go home.
Posted by: Jennifer Pfeifer at January 10, 2009 04:14 PM (uKemT)
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As a Norwegain I just want to say that our people are clearly divided in this conflict, but like the rest of Europe we have a press that operates with its own agenda, is clearly leftist, and who's ignoring or just not telling the whole truth. Add to that we have the most radical leftist government in Europe, who has acknowledged Hamas.
There's a hate towards Israel that journalists are contributing to in a shocking way here. And there's a reason why som many pro-palestine rallies have turned into pure voilence, yesterday they even let children go in front in a manifistation for "peace" here in Oslo. Of course it turned violent and they have now excused their methods by saying the children were put there to prevent the demonstrators from turning to violence.
It's just appaling, and we all need to wake up and face this death cult!
There's a hate towards Israel that journalists are contributing to in a shocking way here. And there's a reason why som many pro-palestine rallies have turned into pure voilence, yesterday they even let children go in front in a manifistation for "peace" here in Oslo. Of course it turned violent and they have now excused their methods by saying the children were put there to prevent the demonstrators from turning to violence.
It's just appaling, and we all need to wake up and face this death cult!
Posted by: Trond at January 11, 2009 06:59 AM (SL5iH)
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iamrn37,
Look at time 0:40 on the video. You can clearly see tape across the right side of the child's face indicating he has already been intubated. Prior to 0:40, when the tech is handing the doc some material, there is a vent behind him. The youtube video is poor quality. If you go to little green footballs blog, there is much more high quality video direct from the network and you can see the detail much better.
Also on that better video you can see the child be compressed into the bed slightly with compressions.
I've heard lots of people claim the airway is not in control here, but no one has taken the time to look and see that it very likely is. Of course, I can't see the patient's face, but neither can you. I do see evidence of an ET tube in place though.
Look at time 0:40 on the video. You can clearly see tape across the right side of the child's face indicating he has already been intubated. Prior to 0:40, when the tech is handing the doc some material, there is a vent behind him. The youtube video is poor quality. If you go to little green footballs blog, there is much more high quality video direct from the network and you can see the detail much better.
Also on that better video you can see the child be compressed into the bed slightly with compressions.
I've heard lots of people claim the airway is not in control here, but no one has taken the time to look and see that it very likely is. Of course, I can't see the patient's face, but neither can you. I do see evidence of an ET tube in place though.
Posted by: SPW at January 11, 2009 10:56 PM (VftLx)
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