Makers of Crap Sandwich Now Pitching It With 10-Percent More Corn
The big three automakers are back in Washington, trying to convince Congress to give them your hard-earned money so they can keep afloat businesses based upon a business model of first-rate pay for employees churning out second-rate cars:
Let. Them. Fail. We bailed out banks that gave credit to illegal aliens (Thanks Citibank!) and mortgages to morons that couldn't pay the minimums on their credit cards, and now babies are coming out of the womb owing money because Congress doesn't have the spine to tell these banks the honest truth that they deserve to fail for bad decision-making fueled by greed. Likewise, the Big Three deserve to fail for their unsustainable business models of first-tier pay and benefits for often second-tier products. Let them file for bankruptcy, and hopefully learn a lesson in the process. If not, the lines of companies that feel they are "vital" and "too important to fail" will continue to grow. Let. Them. Fail. Call your Congressman. Call Your Senator. They'll keep taking your money until you scream, so tell them enough is enough now. It's the only way to make these leeches stop.
Detroit's automakers, making a second bid for $25 billion in government funding, are presenting Congress with plans Tuesday to restructure their ailing companies and provide assurances that the bailout will help them survive and thrive. General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co., and Chrysler LLC would refinance their companies' debt, cut executive pay, seek concessions from workers and find other ways of reviving their staggering companies. U.S. automakers are struggling to stay afloat heading into 2009 under the weight of an economic meltdown, the worst auto sales in decades and a tight credit market. General Motors, Ford and Chrysler went through nearly $18 billion in cash reserves during the last quarter, and GM and Chrysler have said they could collapse in weeks. Top executives from the Big Three failed last month to convince a skeptical Congress that they were worthy of $25 billion in loans. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid ordered them to outline major changes, including the elimination of lavish executive pay packages and assurances that taxpayers would be reimbursed for the loans. All three companies are filing separate plans. Congressional hearings are planned for Thursday and Friday.
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Posted by: bill-tb at December 02, 2008 08:48 AM (7evkT)
Look at the business models of the foreign auto manufactures who have plants here in America. We don't see them running to the government for handouts to survive. Furthermore, their employees seem to be well paid and quite content with their wage and benefit packages.
My brother, a 63 year old, very conservative attorney who usually votes Republican, said the other day that when the government bails out the financial and auto industries we are effectively socializing their debt but not socializing their profits. I think that he hit the nail on the head.
Dude
Posted by: Dude at December 02, 2008 09:41 AM (byA+E)
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at December 02, 2008 11:14 AM (Vcyz0)
The auto makers made their own bed and deserve to lie in it.
The banks were forced by Clinton, the CRA, HUD, Fannie, Freddie, and other government entities to make affirmative action loans and of course other opportunists rode in on the coattails of the "underserved" minorities.
The bank's problems are directly tracable to Bill Clinton, Janey Reno, Andrew Cumo, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters, Jamie Gorelik and the Democrats in general.
Posted by: RFYoung at December 02, 2008 11:42 AM (WqZCc)
PG&E went bankrupt and we still had lights and heat.
The unions took them to the cleaners and have been doing it for years. No company can do well with the amount of money being poured into retirement and health care funds.
Posted by: Dammit at December 02, 2008 12:14 PM (VLaYf)
Furthermore, the "under served" minorities that people often mention as the major cause of the current mess are a only a drop in the bucket compared to the higher income people who also bought homes, condos and vacation homes that they couldn't afford. The banks loved it!
This ain't the first time that this has happened and likely won't be the last. It's a cycle that can be traced back to the Federal Reserve Act of December 23, 1923. This is a bi-partisan scam perpetuated against the American people by a few wealthy banking families in the US and Western Europe. The succession of "bailouts" that have occurred since the Fed was created is the payoff. The recipients of the bailouts are really the ones feeding at the public trough, exactly as planned.
Pitting Democrats and Republicans against each other is simply a diversion technique. Until the American people wake up and realize who the REAL culprit is in these ongoing government bailouts, and demand changing the fundamentals of the system, it will be business as usual regardless of which major party is in office.
Posted by: Dude at December 02, 2008 03:25 PM (byA+E)
R.F. Young is right. But why is allways the taxpayer who gets to pay for Congress's mistakes while those who made the mistakes, such as Frank and Dodd, still control the purse strings.
Posted by: davod at December 03, 2008 06:21 AM (GUZAT)
Ooh! Oooh! I know! I know!
Because the taxpayers as a group are too dim to vote the scoundrels out of office and into jail, and in the final analysis -- in a republic -- the people get the type of government they deserve.
I voted against my incumbent Representative this year because he fell into the Dodd/Frank mold. He was even the same party as I am. Did you?
Posted by: Mark L at December 03, 2008 08:47 AM (bWB5j)
Posted by: MIke K at December 03, 2008 09:49 AM (qyndN)
The problem that I see with this assertion is that it would be to the auto companies' benefit to have a bankruptcy judge force the renegotiation of the union contracts and pension and health programs.
That being the case, why would the auto companies management be asking for a bailout in order to keep in place the current UAW contract with its strangling provisions, work rules, healthcare costs, etc? Seems to me that from a management perspective that they would welcome an opportunity to be rid of burden of the current contracts.
There has to be more to it than that.
Posted by: Dude at December 03, 2008 11:33 AM (byA+E)
As for the relative culpability of the parties, it is true that the Republicans failed to reign in the Democrats. It is untrue to say they did not attempt to do so. Any hint of oversight at Fannie and Freddie (which legislation and lesser acts were proposed by Bush and McCain at different times and by a few other big names) was denounced as a racist assault by Dodd/Frank and their media fellow travelers. I can blame Reps for spending excesses and responsibility may plausibly reside with them for some securities problems but the mortgage disaster is 100% the fault of Democrats (many of whom made VAST fortunes from same) and stereotypical Dem policies. As such there is no prospect for improvement here and serious room for yet greater depradations unless Barry actually is the Messiah. Hope for that.
Posted by: megapotamus at December 03, 2008 03:24 PM (LF+qW)
Mind you, I am not in any way advocating government regulation of CEO pay... just providing a possible reason that the Big 3 CEOs are willing to beg for a handout rather than go through bankruptcy.
Posted by: ConservativeWanderer (formerly C-C-G) at December 03, 2008 08:48 PM (Banpw)
No surprise about the election results in Georgia yesterday. Georgia is like my state, Tennessee, in regards to national politics. As many Republican policy wonks have recently stated, their party is going to have to reinvent itself in order to regain the confidence of the national electorate. By pandering to the extreme right wing of their party the Republicans have marginalized themselves into a regional party. The recent election has changed the landscape and the formula for victory that Republicans have depended on since 1968.
My goodness, just look at NC and VA! The solid South ain't so solid anymore. NC in particular comes to mind. The Senate seat currently held by Elizabeth Dole will be occupied by a Democrat come January. Keep in mind that that seat is the one formerly held by the darling of extreme right wingers for decades, Rep. Senator Jesse Helms.
Though there may be some folks who think of President Elect Barack Obama as a Messiah, I personally don't know any Democrats who regard him in that light. In fact, the only people that I've heard refer to him as such have been disappointed Republicans. He is however, a very bright man. He didn't win the election by being a "boob". He's a very practical man.
President Obama will be intelligent enough to know that he must govern from the center, or a bit left of center, to achieve even SOME of his stated goals. In fact, some of his recent appointments prove my point.
As Senator McCain so truthfully said to a lady who called President Elect Obama a terrorist on the campaign trail....."No Mam, you don't have to be afraid of Senator Obama as President."
I would agree with you that many citizens of BOTH parties are ignorant when it comes to American Civics. The electorate has been dumbed down. I attribute much of that to the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter and others of their ilk. Nevertheless, enough voters rejected the right wing propaganda machine and elected Obama with roughly 53% of the votes cast. To quote Sen. McCain again: The American people have spoken and they have spoken clearly.
To me, one of the most interesting statistics of this election is that 52% of the people who are in the income bracket whose taxes would be raised 3% by President Elect Obama's proposal during the campaign, voted for him. Having said that, I agree with the several pundits who now speculate that he isn't likely to push for that tax increase anytime soon.
As for the bailouts, I don't know how that will play out. I imagine that whatever happens would happen regardless of which party were in power. History shows us that there's no reason to believe otherwise.
Posted by: Dude at December 03, 2008 09:13 PM (byA+E)
That's OK though....let the auto companies go ahead and move their headquarters overseas and shut their plants here and move all their operations overseas too......then you'll see the shit hit the fan. There WILL be a depression then. Auto related industry is at least 10% of the GNP....and you want to throw it away....I can't think of anything more idiotic, except Obama in the White House...and you idiots already did that. Well, screw ya! Do it and live with it. I'm doing my "John Galt" thing, as of now.
Posted by: Tonto (USA) at December 03, 2008 10:34 PM (Qv1xF)
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Posted by: Jason at December 03, 2008 11:24 PM (sQ3gH)
This problem is MUCH more complex than THAT. For one thing, the Big 3 won't have the authority to dissolve their contracts, even in Chapter 11. That's up to the bankruptcy judge.
I have a feeling that this bailout IS going to happen, in one form or another. As I've said before, it wouldn't matter which political party is in power.
Pitting Dems against Pubs is simply a diversion by BOTH parties. In fact, if history is any indication at all you'll see the two parties make compromises to make sure that the American Auto Manufacturers don't go bust. Of course, the ONLY way for this to be successful is for the UAW to be forced to make major concessions, too.
Posted by: Dude at December 04, 2008 10:09 AM (byA+E)
Posted by: ConservativeWanderer (formerly C-C-G) at December 04, 2008 05:44 PM (Banpw)
How about it, Dude? Would you care to try to explain how this I personally know several housing developers (Republicans) who did very well with the housing bubble over the past few years. None of their projects were Fannie nor Freddie. equates to Dodd/Frank (Democrat politicians) making loads on the situation? Do "...several housing developers (Republicans)..." = Democrat politicians?
For my two cents on any government bailout scenario for any 'business sector' - I am against it. I told my Rep and Sens to NOT vote for the "700B bailout of Wall Street" because I happen to believe in free market corrections. Chapter 11 is the only real answer to the US auto industry right now. They will come out of it leaner and potentially profitable.
Posted by: PhyCon (formerly Mark) at December 04, 2008 06:15 PM (4od5C)
Posted by: ew at December 05, 2008 03:30 PM (8z7qO)
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The import companies wisely located in states with foundering economies thereby wrangling hundreds of millions in the form of incentives and tax breaks. They also looked for depressed employment numbers (read wages) so the money offered was just a little above the median. The imports have their homeboys health covered by their national networks and ALL of the profit they make here gets sent home, much as the illegal workers do.
The gap in quality is now narrow enough to call it closed. In 2006 Toyota recalled more cars than it built. GM's Fairfax Assembly plant won the Bronze award from J.D. Power in productivity for 2008 against ALL the North American facilities D3 and carpetbaggers combined. They build the award winning Chevy Malibu and the award winning Saturn Aura in standard and hybrid configurations.
4 million people looking for work now. People are screaming for Government to do something. Now add job losses to the tune of 3 million more from the auto industry. Do you see the formula for insurrection?
This whole flap about the economy can be traced directly back to the Carter/Clinton years with the Community Reinvestment Act. Add to that Obama's ACORN and remember George W. Bush tried 12 TIMES to throttle back the lending industry without agreement from Chris Dodd or Barney Frank.
If these subprime buyers had been held at bay, the housing prices would have held not have had the wild runup to 2006 levels. Much of the economy's growth over 5 years was due to borrowed money being spent on consumer goods. I would take a flat economy any day over what we see now.
Thanks to the bundling of bad loans, speculators ran the markets thru the roof, much like commodities speculators did with crude oil this year.
The D3 is guilty of building vehicles that the public would buy. They just forgot to count on $4.00 oil.
The Chevy Volt is the bright spot. Estimated battery power range is 40 miles. Then a 1.0 turbocharged E-85 capable engine fires up and powers the vehicle thru the electrics and charges the battery with unused current.
Range: 400 miles
So there. Keep the jobs in America.
Posted by: H8 foreigners and their influence at December 07, 2008 01:23 AM (16Mwg)
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