A Wasilla Rape Kit Doc Emerges
From Chief Long of the Wasilla Police Department, via Kristie Smithers, City Clerk, with the notation:
While searching electronic files, I ran across the attached email sent to Chief Savage regarding SART exams paid for by the City of Wasilla in 2000 and 2001. I have redacted the names of the victims in accordance with state law.SART = Sexual Assault Response teams. These are the rape kits paid for by the City of Wasilla for rapes that occurred in 2000-2001.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 09:13 PM
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Whoa...hold on a second. The first two incidents on the list occured BEFORE the Alaska law requiring law enforcement agencies to pay for rape kits went into effect! This is from the City of Wasilla website:
"A review of files and case reports within the Wasilla Police Department has found no record of sexual assault victims billed for forensic exams. State law AS 18.68.040, which was effective 8/14/2000, would have prohibited any such billings after that date."
Unless I need glasses, the first two incidents were both on 6/22/00...two months BEFORE the law went into effect. That means we have PROOF Wasilla was paying for rape kits BEFORE the state required it!
JACKPOT!
Rape kit smear OFFICIALLY DEBUNKED.
"A review of files and case reports within the Wasilla Police Department has found no record of sexual assault victims billed for forensic exams. State law AS 18.68.040, which was effective 8/14/2000, would have prohibited any such billings after that date."
Unless I need glasses, the first two incidents were both on 6/22/00...two months BEFORE the law went into effect. That means we have PROOF Wasilla was paying for rape kits BEFORE the state required it!
JACKPOT!
Rape kit smear OFFICIALLY DEBUNKED.
Posted by: vox at September 23, 2008 09:24 PM (hvN4M)
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Confederate Yankee, before I forget - can I ask where you got this document from? Did someone from Wasilla email it to you directly? Is there a way to link to the document?
I don't see this ANYWHERE else on the web....you have an honest-to-God scoop.
Confederate Yankee ROCKS!
I don't see this ANYWHERE else on the web....you have an honest-to-God scoop.
Confederate Yankee ROCKS!
Posted by: vox at September 23, 2008 09:29 PM (hvN4M)
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Oops, that was sloppy of me not to note. Yes, the file was emailed to me this evening as a PDF and I made a JPG of it to load faster and cut down on bandwidth.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at September 23, 2008 09:34 PM (HcgFD)
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CY, do you agree with me this is proof that the City of Wasilla, NOT the rape victims, paid for the rape kits BEFORE the state law went into effect? Maybe I'm missing something - wouldn't be the first time.
Posted by: vox at September 23, 2008 09:37 PM (hvN4M)
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The two kits administered on 06/22/00 were administered after the bill was signed into law, but before the law went into effect. I would caution against citing them as being anything, except evidence that the cost of rape kits billed to Wasilla many not have been enough to come up on even a small-town Mayor's radar.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at September 23, 2008 09:54 PM (HcgFD)
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Hmmm...I guess I'm taking a different attitude, since the entire point of the rape kit smear that has been perpetrated on Sarah thus far was to paint her as a cruel, insensitive witch who had the audacity to charge rape victims for their own rape kits...and more than one smear merchant has insinuated that Wasilla, to include its Mayor, was fighting paying for the kits every step of the way. This document PROVES Wasilla was paying for rape kits before it was statutorily required to do so.
But, it would always be nice to have more evidence....like perhaps similar documents outlining payments by the City for rape kits before the law was signed in May of 2000.
Hopefully more documents will emerge so we can put this to bed once and for all.
But, it would always be nice to have more evidence....like perhaps similar documents outlining payments by the City for rape kits before the law was signed in May of 2000.
Hopefully more documents will emerge so we can put this to bed once and for all.
Posted by: vox at September 23, 2008 10:10 PM (hvN4M)
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Or the more likely scenario, when Palin was informed that the rape kits included post rape contraception, she set aside the good of Wasilla to impose her personal religious beliefs on the good citizens. Much more likely scenario.
Posted by: moondancer at September 24, 2008 05:53 AM (VJXXC)
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This does nothing more than (almost, but not quite) prove that the City of Wasila paid for rape kits, but does not prove or disprove anything in regard to charging or not charging rape victims the cost of their use. It only proves the items were made available.
If your scoop proves that Wasila didn't charge rape victims for rape kits, then I guess we can all start looting Walmart, Target, and your local used car lot as well. After all, there are bound to be receiving invoices for all that stuff. And I guess by your logic, that means no costs were passed on to anyone else, so it wouldn't even be a crime.
Keep digging if you must, but try using the shovel rather than the anvil.
If your scoop proves that Wasila didn't charge rape victims for rape kits, then I guess we can all start looting Walmart, Target, and your local used car lot as well. After all, there are bound to be receiving invoices for all that stuff. And I guess by your logic, that means no costs were passed on to anyone else, so it wouldn't even be a crime.
Keep digging if you must, but try using the shovel rather than the anvil.
Posted by: jon at September 24, 2008 05:54 AM (UTDox)
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No Jon - exercise that critical thinking the left always lauds itself as having ...
This isn't an invoice. It's a list of what the town paid to Vally Hospital. Unless you are assuming that the hospital administration is beholden to city government on what it can and cannot have on hand as inventory then what CY is presenting proves that Wasilla paid for kits that had been used in the performance of duties the hospital is required to perform by law.
This isn't an invoice. It's a list of what the town paid to Vally Hospital. Unless you are assuming that the hospital administration is beholden to city government on what it can and cannot have on hand as inventory then what CY is presenting proves that Wasilla paid for kits that had been used in the performance of duties the hospital is required to perform by law.
Posted by: Dan Irving at September 24, 2008 07:02 AM (Kw4jM)
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I'll never understand the left's way of "thinking"...here is documented evidence that under Mayor Palin, the city of Wasilla paid for rape kits when it wasn't required by law to do so yet....and left-wingers like moondancer respond: "See! She IMPOSED her religious views on everyone else!"
Ummmmm....HUH?
Ummmmm....HUH?
Posted by: vox at September 24, 2008 07:22 AM (ptKf/)
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CY - reading over the document again, a thought occurred to me...doesn't it seem ODD that there were would be TWO rapes in Wasilla on ONE day, 6/22/00? The FBI crime stats for Wasilla show exactly ONE reported rape for the entire year of 2000. So, what I'm wondering is this - is the date on the email to Chief Savage the actual date of the offense, or just the date the City paid for the kits? The initials "DOS" above the dates apparently refer to "dates of service," but I'm not entirely sure what that means...is that the date the kit was used? The billing date from the Hospital? Or, maybe the FBI crime stats are wrong and there were actually 2 rapes in Wasilla on one day during 2000.
Any chance whoever emailed you this document could clear any of this up?
Any chance whoever emailed you this document could clear any of this up?
Posted by: vox at September 24, 2008 07:59 AM (ptKf/)
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The City of Wasila paid the hospital, which doesn't prove or disprove anything regarding whether or not the Police Department of Wasila then did or didn't then bill the rape victims for the expense. This proves nothing in regard to the controversy.
Posted by: jon at September 24, 2008 08:41 AM (UTDox)
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Jon,
The City of Wasilla says the following on its web site:
"The Finance Department searched all financial records on our system for fiscal year 2000, 2001 and 2002. There are no records of billings to or collections from rape victims or their insurance companies in our system. The financial computer system goes back to the beginning of fiscal year 2000, and accounts receivable backup documentation goes back six (6) years per our records retention schedule."
Further:
"A review of files and case reports within the Wasilla Police Department has found no record of sexual assault victims billed for forensic exams."
Given this new document, and given that the dates indicated fall within the search range the City of Wasilla conducted, we now know WHY there are no records of victims being charged - the CITY PAID FOR THEM.
The City of Wasilla says the following on its web site:
"The Finance Department searched all financial records on our system for fiscal year 2000, 2001 and 2002. There are no records of billings to or collections from rape victims or their insurance companies in our system. The financial computer system goes back to the beginning of fiscal year 2000, and accounts receivable backup documentation goes back six (6) years per our records retention schedule."
Further:
"A review of files and case reports within the Wasilla Police Department has found no record of sexual assault victims billed for forensic exams."
Given this new document, and given that the dates indicated fall within the search range the City of Wasilla conducted, we now know WHY there are no records of victims being charged - the CITY PAID FOR THEM.
Posted by: vox at September 24, 2008 08:52 AM (ptKf/)
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These leftist trolls certainly highlight the thinking skills which would lead someone who actually support Obama.
Documents and facts don't prove anything because THEY KNOW! Sort of like they can see great leadership and "intelligence" in ummm...ha...ummmm....ah..that is what I said....ummm...ah...ummmm...well...hold on....I...ummm...ah...where the hell is the telepromptor..uhhhh....DAVID, Help me!!!
Idiots!
How sad is it to a 45 year old "man" still using his college education as his primary qualification?
Documents and facts don't prove anything because THEY KNOW! Sort of like they can see great leadership and "intelligence" in ummm...ha...ummmm....ah..that is what I said....ummm...ah...ummmm...well...hold on....I...ummm...ah...where the hell is the telepromptor..uhhhh....DAVID, Help me!!!
Idiots!
How sad is it to a 45 year old "man" still using his college education as his primary qualification?
Posted by: LogicalSC at September 24, 2008 09:07 AM (1qLzq)
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Nobody has debunked anything. This action on Palin appointee Charlie Fannon's part constituted a message to rapists: "If you want to rape someone and not get caught, find a woman in Wasilla who can't afford to drop a grand on a rape kit. She knows she won't be able to afford it, so she won't even bother to report what happened." If there's one woman who, due to financial considerations, didn't report that she was raped in Wasilla, there's no excuse for the likes of Palin and Fannon.
Posted by: arnold1888 at September 24, 2008 11:32 AM (xQdnN)
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Nobody has debunked anything. This action on Palin appointee Charlie Fannon's part constituted a message to rapists: "If you want to rape someone and not get caught, find a woman in Wasilla who can't afford to drop a grand on a rape kit. She knows she won't be able to afford it, so she won't even bother to report what happened." If there's one woman who, due to financial considerations, didn't report that she was raped in Wasilla, there's no excuse for the likes of Palin and Fannon.
Posted by: arnold at September 24, 2008 11:35 AM (xQdnN)
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You tell 'em, arnold!
Don't let little things like facts, evidence, or truth get in the way of what you "know."
Don't let little things like facts, evidence, or truth get in the way of what you "know."
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at September 24, 2008 11:43 AM (zqzYV)
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This is neither a scoop nor ultimate proof of anything meaningful. All of this information has already been on the record, in quality if not quantity - as has the Frontiersman article - & the two facts are by no means mutually exclusive.
"City pays for rape-kits" & "city bills victims for rape-kits" are not inconsistent. In fact, if it was policy, one would expect the latter to follow the former. They'd HAVE to pay for them first before they used them, or to replace the ones they used, wouldn't they?
The only thing you've proven is that in 2000 & 2001, Wasilla paid for SART exams, which doesn't preclude victims - or their insurers - being billed at all, as any thinking adult could determine in 5 seconds.
How sad is it to a 45 year old "man" still using his college education as his primary qualification?
Yes, how SAD that one candidate is a Magnum Cum Laude Law Grad - while his opponent (barely) graduated near the rock-bottom of his class - yet so many Americans honestly think the latter is better qualified to lead a modern industrial nation forward in 2008. Real ignorance always winds up having to show its true colors eventually. You left out the word "see" there. I think that's quite beautifully apropos.
"City pays for rape-kits" & "city bills victims for rape-kits" are not inconsistent. In fact, if it was policy, one would expect the latter to follow the former. They'd HAVE to pay for them first before they used them, or to replace the ones they used, wouldn't they?
The only thing you've proven is that in 2000 & 2001, Wasilla paid for SART exams, which doesn't preclude victims - or their insurers - being billed at all, as any thinking adult could determine in 5 seconds.
How sad is it to a 45 year old "man" still using his college education as his primary qualification?
Yes, how SAD that one candidate is a Magnum Cum Laude Law Grad - while his opponent (barely) graduated near the rock-bottom of his class - yet so many Americans honestly think the latter is better qualified to lead a modern industrial nation forward in 2008. Real ignorance always winds up having to show its true colors eventually. You left out the word "see" there. I think that's quite beautifully apropos.
Posted by: jim at September 24, 2008 11:55 AM (Kyveh)
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jim, this may come as something of a complete shock to you as an Obama supporter, but we have this neat little thing in America where those making the charge actually have to provide evidence to support their charges.
To date, and despite having weeks to develop the story, the liberal blogosphere that astroturfed this story into being and their allies in the media and Democratic Party haven't provided so much of a shred of evidence that this smear has any basis in fact.
Meanwhile, we have had reviewed the minutes of the legislative meetings that led to this law being written, and have discovered that Wasilla, Palin and Fannon were never even mentioned in the testimony, and that the real reason the law was needed is that hospitals had charged patients... according to expert testimony of a State Police official and the heads of two rape counseling organizations, there were ZERO known instances of rape kits being billed by police agencies, which correlates to the report for current Wasilla Police Cheif Long who states she cant' find any evidence at all the victims were ever billed.
Eric Croft, Democratic sponsor of the legislation and an ethusiastic reporter, is the sole source for this claim that the law was aimed at Wasilla, which again, his own meeting's minutes prove to be a lie, as Wasilla was never mentioned.
You have neither quality nor quantity on your side, just an unbelievable amount of illogical hatred and the determination to keep creating smears (I think the current count is now 91) to tear down a minority who dared to succeed without you, your party, or your warped values.
To date, and despite having weeks to develop the story, the liberal blogosphere that astroturfed this story into being and their allies in the media and Democratic Party haven't provided so much of a shred of evidence that this smear has any basis in fact.
Meanwhile, we have had reviewed the minutes of the legislative meetings that led to this law being written, and have discovered that Wasilla, Palin and Fannon were never even mentioned in the testimony, and that the real reason the law was needed is that hospitals had charged patients... according to expert testimony of a State Police official and the heads of two rape counseling organizations, there were ZERO known instances of rape kits being billed by police agencies, which correlates to the report for current Wasilla Police Cheif Long who states she cant' find any evidence at all the victims were ever billed.
Eric Croft, Democratic sponsor of the legislation and an ethusiastic reporter, is the sole source for this claim that the law was aimed at Wasilla, which again, his own meeting's minutes prove to be a lie, as Wasilla was never mentioned.
You have neither quality nor quantity on your side, just an unbelievable amount of illogical hatred and the determination to keep creating smears (I think the current count is now 91) to tear down a minority who dared to succeed without you, your party, or your warped values.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at September 24, 2008 12:12 PM (zqzYV)
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I remember thinking that, if Wasilla never actually charged anyone for a rape kit, it would be blasted around the net in seconds as “proof” that this scandal is bogus. I also remember thinking that if someone points out the obvious; namely, that this law actively discouraged women from even reporting that they've been raped, nobody will have a response. You just proved me right. If you think you didn't, please, walk me through what I'm missing.
Posted by: arnold at September 24, 2008 01:05 PM (xQdnN)
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Meanwhile, we also have clear evidence that Obama did nothing, absolutely nothing, to change the laws of Illinois to prevent women from being charged for rape kits -- and we have proof that, as of this year, women in Illinois were being charged for rape kits.
Therefore, Obama is telling people, a la "arnold", that it's perfectly acceptable to rape poor women in Illinois.
One wonders if the Messiah himself is a proponent of rape. Does he rape his own daughters, like Democrat Party candidate, DNC endorsee, and Obama endorsee Al Franken claims Todd Palin does?
Therefore, Obama is telling people, a la "arnold", that it's perfectly acceptable to rape poor women in Illinois.
One wonders if the Messiah himself is a proponent of rape. Does he rape his own daughters, like Democrat Party candidate, DNC endorsee, and Obama endorsee Al Franken claims Todd Palin does?
Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at September 24, 2008 01:43 PM (E3Yxq)
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I love arnold's logic - Even though there is no evidence that the policy we are upset about was ever enforced or that Sarah Palin ever knew about it - Sarah Palin is still a monster. Proving negatives is fun!
Posted by: daleyrocks at September 24, 2008 02:23 PM (i/fLn)
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arnold - I can't prove that women in Wasilla didn't report rapes due to the policy and reither can you. It's wild speculation on your part. You also can't speculate that Sarah Palin knew about the policy when there has been no evidence that she did. More wild speculation on your part. All we both have to go on is the public record, which shows this to be a non event.
Meanwhile, billing women for rapekits in Illinois continues to be an ongoing scandal which Senator Obama should have done something about while he was in the state legislature and should do something about now. What are you doing about that?
Meanwhile, billing women for rapekits in Illinois continues to be an ongoing scandal which Senator Obama should have done something about while he was in the state legislature and should do something about now. What are you doing about that?
Posted by: daleyrocks at September 24, 2008 02:30 PM (i/fLn)
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Why do far left wing fanatical kooks think that going to a certain college when you're 18-21 qualify one to be president? What do most college students do during those years? I'll give you 3 guesses. And that includes those at the overrated Ivy League schools.
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at September 24, 2008 05:02 PM (kNqJV)
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I also remember thinking that if someone points out the obvious; namely, that this law actively discouraged women from even reporting that they've been raped, nobody will have a response. You just proved me right. If you think you didn't, please, walk me through what I'm missing.
So why did the city of Wasilla pay for those rape kits? Someone must have reported something.
So why did the city of Wasilla pay for those rape kits? Someone must have reported something.
Posted by: Mark A. Flacy at September 24, 2008 10:37 PM (tCVlB)
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Wow. I think that particular logical fallacy is called Inverting Burden of Proof. I guess that's what you get with a conspiracy theory. Or rather a Conspiracy Accusation.
On a slightly lighter note: Are those things actually called "Rape Kits"? Maybe they should be called something like "post rape evidence and documentation collection kits".
Cause "rape kits" sort of sounds like...well you know what it sounds like.
Maybe that will be the next Lefty smear.
On a slightly lighter note: Are those things actually called "Rape Kits"? Maybe they should be called something like "post rape evidence and documentation collection kits".
Cause "rape kits" sort of sounds like...well you know what it sounds like.
Maybe that will be the next Lefty smear.
Posted by: brando at September 25, 2008 12:00 AM (UB1+D)
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