Jay R. Grodner, A Chicago Lawyer You Should Know
Jay R. Grodner is a Chicago lawyer who apparently believes it is perfectly acceptable to vandalize a deploying Marine's car because of his own anti-war political beliefs.
Of course, the best way to handle the situation is by letting the authorities do their jobs, and commenter "Mo" at Blackfive has the excellent idea of contacting the Illinois Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission: One Prudential Plaza130 East Randolph Drive
Suite 1500
Chicago, IL 60601-6219
(312) 565-2600 or, within
Illinois, (800) 826-8625
Fax (312) 565-2320 One North Old Capitol Plaza
Suite 333
Springfield, IL 62701-1625
(217) 522-6838 or, within
Illinois, (800) 252-8048
Fax (217) 522-2417 It would seem that committing felony vandalism is a decent reason to have his license to practice law revoked. The post also cites a police report that Grodner also apparently tried to state that the Marine only accosted him because he's Jewish (implying the Marine is a bigot). Stay classy, Jay R. Grodner, Chicago attorney. Bonus: He's already a big hit on Google. I hope he enjoys the free advertising. He's earned it.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 12:14 PM
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What's ironic is that that sort of publicity will probably drive more anti-war whackos to become his clients.
Posted by: C-C-G at December 31, 2007 08:58 PM (ojkss)
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At this rate, the SOB won't have a buisness for much longer.
Posted by: Foxfier at January 01, 2008 11:52 AM (D/3gQ)
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What is especially funny is that everyone jumps to the "he did it because he is anti-military" conclusion as if he as a man who bills several hundred bucks per hour has nothing better to do than walk around looking for military license plates so he can vandalize their cars.
Simple fact: the Marine was a douche for backing down a one-way, but certainly didn't deserve anything more than a "hey, obey the traffic laws!" yell. Of course the lawyer guy reacted in a criminal way. If it had been me that he had seen, he would have said "You think that just because you're tall, intelligent, and incredibly handsome, you can do whatever you want." To assume that he only did it because of the military plates is quite short-sighted and conspiracy-minded.
Simple fact: the Marine was a douche for backing down a one-way, but certainly didn't deserve anything more than a "hey, obey the traffic laws!" yell. Of course the lawyer guy reacted in a criminal way. If it had been me that he had seen, he would have said "You think that just because you're tall, intelligent, and incredibly handsome, you can do whatever you want." To assume that he only did it because of the military plates is quite short-sighted and conspiracy-minded.
Posted by: Book Learned Guy at January 01, 2008 05:57 PM (+Dl24)
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BLG, in order to prove that, you'd have to show that Mr. Grodner made a habit of keying cars who had violated traffic laws.
Without such data being provided, the conclusion that the Marine's Department of Defense license plates were a primary reason that Mr. Grodner picked his car to key is valid.
Also, if you'd read the B5 article that CY linked to, you'd know that the Marine reports that Mr. Grodner said, "you think you can do whatever you want with Department of Defense license plates and tags." That statement, if true, is also strong evidence for the conclusion that Mr. Grodner's anti-war feelings were a motivating factor in choosing to vandalize a Marine's car.
Good day, sir. I said, good day.
Without such data being provided, the conclusion that the Marine's Department of Defense license plates were a primary reason that Mr. Grodner picked his car to key is valid.
Also, if you'd read the B5 article that CY linked to, you'd know that the Marine reports that Mr. Grodner said, "you think you can do whatever you want with Department of Defense license plates and tags." That statement, if true, is also strong evidence for the conclusion that Mr. Grodner's anti-war feelings were a motivating factor in choosing to vandalize a Marine's car.
Good day, sir. I said, good day.
Posted by: C-C-G at January 01, 2008 06:54 PM (ojkss)
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the Marine was a douche for backing down a one-way Uh huh. That bastard!
To assume that he only did it because of the military plates is quite short-sighted and conspiracy-minded. It isn't assuming when Grodner stated upon being caught "You think you can do whatever you want with Department of Defense license plates and tags"
Reading is your friend, Book Learned Guy. You should do more of it, preferably before writing.
To assume that he only did it because of the military plates is quite short-sighted and conspiracy-minded. It isn't assuming when Grodner stated upon being caught "You think you can do whatever you want with Department of Defense license plates and tags"
Reading is your friend, Book Learned Guy. You should do more of it, preferably before writing.
Posted by: Pablo at January 01, 2008 06:55 PM (yTndK)
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Without such data being provided, the conclusion that the Marine's Department of Defense license plates were a primary reason that Mr. Grodner picked his car to key is valid.
BTW, these were not DOD plates, but Illinois Specialty Plates. But Grodner seems to have confused that which leads to the next obvious question: Did Grodner think he was vandalizing DOD property? That would be tremendously stupid, and a federal crime.
BTW, these were not DOD plates, but Illinois Specialty Plates. But Grodner seems to have confused that which leads to the next obvious question: Did Grodner think he was vandalizing DOD property? That would be tremendously stupid, and a federal crime.
Posted by: Pablo at January 01, 2008 06:59 PM (yTndK)
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This lawyer, is a douchebag.
I'll even go so far to say that anyone DEFENDING his actions, is also a douchebag.
Seems to be an excess of douchebaggery on the left these days.
I'll even go so far to say that anyone DEFENDING his actions, is also a douchebag.
Seems to be an excess of douchebaggery on the left these days.
Posted by: Conservative CBU at January 01, 2008 07:22 PM (La7YV)
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Either way, Pablo, it's indicative of Grodner's anti-war and anti-military bias and therefore, plausible motivations. That's the only point I was trying to make. 
Posted by: C-C-G at January 01, 2008 07:32 PM (ojkss)
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Yeah, I gotcha C-C-G. I'm just pointing our that this guy may be even dumber than it seems at first look. It almost a shame that he wasn't right about it being a DOD vehicle.
Posted by: Pablo at January 01, 2008 08:48 PM (yTndK)
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Ahh, now I get where you were headed, Pablo.
Yeah, that is a shame. But he was probably counting on President Hillary to pardon him if it was a DOD vehicle and he got caught. (evil grin)
Yeah, that is a shame. But he was probably counting on President Hillary to pardon him if it was a DOD vehicle and he got caught. (evil grin)
Posted by: C-C-G at January 01, 2008 09:13 PM (ojkss)
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Guy probably has a framed autographed picture of Alexis Fecteau on his night stand.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 01, 2008 10:42 PM (ERV3B)
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Anyone really surprised an anti-war democrat would key a Marines car?
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at January 01, 2008 10:55 PM (Lgw9b)
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mayhaps someone ought to get into the cook county court tracking system so that this nit could be greeted every time he comes to court.
as to his feeling persecuted because he says he is jewish, someone ought to find out what synagogue he goes to and send letters containing the story to the rabbi and to the board. this did not happen because he is jewish---and as a vet I would love the opportunity to discuss it with him publicly.
as to his feeling persecuted because he says he is jewish, someone ought to find out what synagogue he goes to and send letters containing the story to the rabbi and to the board. this did not happen because he is jewish---and as a vet I would love the opportunity to discuss it with him publicly.
Posted by: velvel in decatur at January 02, 2008 12:41 PM (cOYYN)
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as a vet i have noticed that this is how libs "support the troops"
Posted by: ozzzy4444 at January 02, 2008 04:25 PM (qGMwR)
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o.k. my mom just pointed out to me that i am not a vet, i am a dependent (not the same thing), (my bad) however my point remaines valid.
Posted by: ozzzy4444 at January 02, 2008 04:39 PM (qGMwR)
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"as if he ... has nothing better to do than walk around looking for military license plates so he can vandalize their cars"
It was probably more along the lines of a "crime of opportunity" coupled with a momentary failure of his "better judgment" circuit not filtering the "stupid" from the "rational".
"Simple fact: the Marine was a douche for backing down a one-way..."
You don't live in Chicago, doya? Never spent much time there, dijja?
Backing down one-way streets is a common occurence ... to get to parking spots or because you missed -- as this jarhead did -- the address of his buddy. It's not like this was an alleyway we're talking about, here, it was a normal Chicago street, two lanes wide with parallel parking on both curbs. It's just one-way. Backing down a one-way isn't a real hazard, and it doesn't indicate much in the way of "douchery", since pretty much everyone who owns a car in Chicago does it, more or less regularly.
It was probably more along the lines of a "crime of opportunity" coupled with a momentary failure of his "better judgment" circuit not filtering the "stupid" from the "rational".
"Simple fact: the Marine was a douche for backing down a one-way..."
You don't live in Chicago, doya? Never spent much time there, dijja?
Backing down one-way streets is a common occurence ... to get to parking spots or because you missed -- as this jarhead did -- the address of his buddy. It's not like this was an alleyway we're talking about, here, it was a normal Chicago street, two lanes wide with parallel parking on both curbs. It's just one-way. Backing down a one-way isn't a real hazard, and it doesn't indicate much in the way of "douchery", since pretty much everyone who owns a car in Chicago does it, more or less regularly.
Posted by: rwilymz at January 03, 2008 12:47 PM (2KK9O)
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I find it funny that "Book Learned Guy's" most descriptive word for the marine is "douche."
Apparently the book he reads is "The Frat-Star's Guide To Chugging Beer and Passing Out."
And I don't buy BLG's theory that if it had been him the lawyer saw would have said "You think that just because you're tall, intelligent, and incredibly handsome, you can do whatever you want."
Book Learned Guy may own books, but probably not any mirrors.
Apparently the book he reads is "The Frat-Star's Guide To Chugging Beer and Passing Out."
And I don't buy BLG's theory that if it had been him the lawyer saw would have said "You think that just because you're tall, intelligent, and incredibly handsome, you can do whatever you want."
Book Learned Guy may own books, but probably not any mirrors.
Posted by: Chicagoan at January 03, 2008 03:34 PM (8Lg5R)
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A bigoted Jew and a lawyer.
How disgusting!
How disgusting!
Posted by: Max at January 04, 2008 12:14 AM (Y/e75)
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Disbar him. Another example of the corrupt legal system.
Posted by: Ron at January 04, 2008 09:09 AM (AiJXe)
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This guy should be DISBAR and still brought up on charges What ass hope the Attorney General can do something
Posted by: Jack at January 05, 2008 01:01 AM (zpOhj)
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THE MARINE DID WHAT HE WAS TAUGHT TO DO: ADAPT, IMPROVISE AND OVERCOME - http://soldiersmind.com/2007/06/03/adapt-overcome-and-drive-forward/
You see, there are a lot of people living in this country who have NEVER worn the uniforms of service to the United States of America. Therefore, they do not understand the concept of "Adapt, Improvise and Overcome." We, the special few who have served in uniform and in combat situations understand this concept totally. We survive because of it. We know that those things that are difficult take a little longer to "fix." We also know that the impossible takes a little longer...But, we get the job done....SEMPER FI, MARINE!!!
You see, there are a lot of people living in this country who have NEVER worn the uniforms of service to the United States of America. Therefore, they do not understand the concept of "Adapt, Improvise and Overcome." We, the special few who have served in uniform and in combat situations understand this concept totally. We survive because of it. We know that those things that are difficult take a little longer to "fix." We also know that the impossible takes a little longer...But, we get the job done....SEMPER FI, MARINE!!!
Posted by: jOHN at January 05, 2008 12:37 PM (AiJXe)
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Git a rope!
Posted by: Bubba at January 05, 2008 06:09 PM (RygMp)
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Regardless of whose car it was, Grodner feels (knows?) he can commit a crime and then work the system and not be held responsible for his actions. Is he right? The AG's office has that answer.
Posted by: MSgt(ret) at January 05, 2008 09:48 PM (lCq3w)
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This worthless officer was, correctly, immediately removed from any position of responsibility. Now someone needs to make sure he leaves with a less-than-honorable discharge to ensure he never gets back in to retire.
This was not a one-time thing, but a six-month pattern of illegal behavior that disgraces his uniform and embarrasses all those who wear it.
The taxpayers paid this douche for his ability to lead men in combat and serve as an example of honor & fidelity. The key issue here is: would you trust this asswipe to lead YOUR kids in combat?
End of discussion. The real shame is that no one noticed his character flaws earlier.
This was not a one-time thing, but a six-month pattern of illegal behavior that disgraces his uniform and embarrasses all those who wear it.
The taxpayers paid this douche for his ability to lead men in combat and serve as an example of honor & fidelity. The key issue here is: would you trust this asswipe to lead YOUR kids in combat?
End of discussion. The real shame is that no one noticed his character flaws earlier.
Posted by: MSgt G. L. W. at January 06, 2008 03:53 AM (VSMyZ)
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Isn't it odd how the back-patting AG's Office considers it "too time consuming" to follow-up on a valid, open complaint of flagrant felony vandalism voiced from a taxpaying citizen (as well as a defender of our nation), but that same AG will no doubt allow thousands and thousands of frivolous, time consuming civil cases to clog our court system day after day because that's what keeps their fellow lawyers rich, rich, rich beyond their wildest dreams.
Whoever that AG or DA was that made that stupid, narrow-minded and self-serving comment deserves to be disbarred as fast as that mope Grodner should be as soon as he is convicted.
This soldier should be served with a subpoena to appear in court, and the Marine Corps needs to honor that subpoena to allow justice to be served for him here in the United States just as his service in Iraq provides them there with the same.
This outhouse lawyer needs to know that his kind is not above the law simply because he's a little more adept at playing the game. MSgt G. L. W. also needs to back-off and regroup with the hysterical rhetoric as well, unless he can provide clear-cut evidence of wrong on the part of the Officer in question.
Respectfully Submitted,
An Old US Army Soldier from the 'Burbs.
Whoever that AG or DA was that made that stupid, narrow-minded and self-serving comment deserves to be disbarred as fast as that mope Grodner should be as soon as he is convicted.
This soldier should be served with a subpoena to appear in court, and the Marine Corps needs to honor that subpoena to allow justice to be served for him here in the United States just as his service in Iraq provides them there with the same.
This outhouse lawyer needs to know that his kind is not above the law simply because he's a little more adept at playing the game. MSgt G. L. W. also needs to back-off and regroup with the hysterical rhetoric as well, unless he can provide clear-cut evidence of wrong on the part of the Officer in question.
Respectfully Submitted,
An Old US Army Soldier from the 'Burbs.
Posted by: beanhead54 at January 06, 2008 12:45 PM (PMOxQ)
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This lawyer is a jerk and a waste of skin, but it's unfair and illogical to make him the poster boy for liberals, Democrats, or those who oppose the occupation of Iraq. If he'd vandalized a car with an anti-war bumper sticker, I wouldn't assume any conservative or Republican would commit the same crime.
I'm against the occupation, but I'd never do that to anyone's car, and certainly not to someone risking his life to serve my country. It's abhorrent, and indefensible. But using the actions of one imbecile to attack millions of others for their opinions is hardly patriotic or American.
I'm against the occupation, but I'd never do that to anyone's car, and certainly not to someone risking his life to serve my country. It's abhorrent, and indefensible. But using the actions of one imbecile to attack millions of others for their opinions is hardly patriotic or American.
Posted by: Just My Opinion at January 06, 2008 10:52 PM (9kfFD)
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MSgt G. L. W. -
Are you a Marine / Solider / Airman? Would like to know. I personally know Mike, his brother Bill and some of their friends. I am a former Marine of ten years. Your post shows your true character. A wimp.
This Marine, is a man of undisputed character and courage. He has been voluntarily in harms way as a Marine Reservist and volunteered to go back (which he is in the process of doing) to Iraq. Has seen numerous front line altercations.
For you to make a statement that this officer (he is a Sgt, not an officer) and suggest that his honor and fidelity are in err, only makes me confident that you are presenting your post and self under the false solider act. You should watch your course. You could be libel.
I would personally send my children to war with Mike and his brothers. They are why we have what we have. Freedom, not tryanny.
Watch your mouth faker. We have this biggest faternity ever known and are well connected. Bigger than Notre Dame or any Ivy league school. Its called USMC. We take care of our own.
Enough said
Are you a Marine / Solider / Airman? Would like to know. I personally know Mike, his brother Bill and some of their friends. I am a former Marine of ten years. Your post shows your true character. A wimp.
This Marine, is a man of undisputed character and courage. He has been voluntarily in harms way as a Marine Reservist and volunteered to go back (which he is in the process of doing) to Iraq. Has seen numerous front line altercations.
For you to make a statement that this officer (he is a Sgt, not an officer) and suggest that his honor and fidelity are in err, only makes me confident that you are presenting your post and self under the false solider act. You should watch your course. You could be libel.
I would personally send my children to war with Mike and his brothers. They are why we have what we have. Freedom, not tryanny.
Watch your mouth faker. We have this biggest faternity ever known and are well connected. Bigger than Notre Dame or any Ivy league school. Its called USMC. We take care of our own.
Enough said
Posted by: teeitup at January 07, 2008 07:18 PM (QiL5C)
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Some of us want to express our opinions to Mr. Grodner directly, but his website is down.
All is not lost, however: If you go to www.yellow.com/white.html and in put his first and last names and his ZIP code (60626), you can find his contact information in case you want to write him or telephone him.
All is not lost, however: If you go to www.yellow.com/white.html and in put his first and last names and his ZIP code (60626), you can find his contact information in case you want to write him or telephone him.
Posted by: Clifton Palmer McLendon at January 07, 2008 09:52 PM (bcsC8)
Posted by: Clifton Palmer McLendon at January 07, 2008 11:23 PM (bcsC8)
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The "NEW" Jay Groder is David Selden of Az. This has to be read to be believed:
Court will hide ID of illegal immigrant employer
A federal court will keep secret the identity of an Arizona business owner who admits in a sworn statement to hiring illegal immigrants.
The business owner, who remains anonymous, has filed an affidavit in federal court saying he was employing people not in this country legally last year when the lawsuit was filed, and he intends to continue to do so even with the new state law that took effect Jan. 1.
That law allows a judge to suspend or revoke any state licenses of firms that knowingly hire undocumented workers.
Attorney David Selden, who represents businesses challenging the law, said the purpose of the affidavit was to prove to U.S. District Court Judge Neil Wake that the law will harm at least one company.
The judge had previously indicated he might not be able to rule on the validity of the law without some proof someone could get in legal trouble for disobeying it.
Selden said the move is justified because the business owner faces both the threat of prosecution if his identity becomes known, as well as the possibility of actual physical harm.
LINK:
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/105888
Here's Dave's info. Call him up and tell him how much you appreciate his efforts, and while your a it, find Dave's home number and post it so others can call him there and tell Dave how much like like his efforts in this are:
http://www.ballardspahr.com/about/lawyers.asp?id=1855
Court will hide ID of illegal immigrant employer
A federal court will keep secret the identity of an Arizona business owner who admits in a sworn statement to hiring illegal immigrants.
The business owner, who remains anonymous, has filed an affidavit in federal court saying he was employing people not in this country legally last year when the lawsuit was filed, and he intends to continue to do so even with the new state law that took effect Jan. 1.
That law allows a judge to suspend or revoke any state licenses of firms that knowingly hire undocumented workers.
Attorney David Selden, who represents businesses challenging the law, said the purpose of the affidavit was to prove to U.S. District Court Judge Neil Wake that the law will harm at least one company.
The judge had previously indicated he might not be able to rule on the validity of the law without some proof someone could get in legal trouble for disobeying it.
Selden said the move is justified because the business owner faces both the threat of prosecution if his identity becomes known, as well as the possibility of actual physical harm.
LINK:
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/105888
Here's Dave's info. Call him up and tell him how much you appreciate his efforts, and while your a it, find Dave's home number and post it so others can call him there and tell Dave how much like like his efforts in this are:
http://www.ballardspahr.com/about/lawyers.asp?id=1855
Posted by: Ja at January 08, 2008 12:10 PM (G8g1Q)
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