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April 21, 2010
FBI & IRS Raid NY State Senate Majority Leader
Hello, corruption:
Federal authorities raided a government-funded clinic run by the state Senate's majority leader, one day after New York's attorney general accused him of siphoning money from it.
About a dozen FBI and IRS agents appeared Wednesday at the Soundview Healthcare Network in the Bronx, where a big canopy above the front door lists Sen. Pedro Espada Jr. as its president and CEO.
The agents removed Espada campaign posters and other items from an 8-foot-tall, 25-foot-long storage container behind the building. They also stacked boxes on the grass, and agents wearing blue or green gloves leafed through the contents and wrote notes.
Espada spokesman Steve Mangione didn't immediately respond to requests for comment left on his cell phone and through e-mail.
FBI spokesman Jim Margolin said only that the search was part of an ongoing investigation.
On Tuesday, Attorney General Andrew Cuomo announced a lawsuit accusing Espada of siphoning $14 million from the clinic. It said the money was used for lavish restaurant meals, trips to Las Vegas and Espada's campaign.
After hours of searching, investigators were still unable to recover Espada's party affiliation.
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Simple rule of thumb :
1) When bad person is D, make no mention
2) mention R, or equate to R when in doubt
3) for civvies, make any affiliation to Tea Party, racism, Militias and domestic terrorism.
Posted by: David at April 21, 2010 10:37 AM (JvX/M)
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April 20, 2010
Amazon Sues North Carolina to Protect Customer Data
Amazon.com is suing to stop the NC Department of Revenue to block the state from collecting individual customer data:
Amazon contends in the suit that it routinely provides the Revenue Department with "voluminous information" about its sales to North Carolina as part of routine audits of the company's compliance with sales and use tax laws. The information includes the date and total price of each transaction, the city, county and ZIP code to which each item was shipped and Amazon's standard product code for each item, which allows officials to see the description of every product purchased.
In March, however, the Revenue Department threatened to hold a civil contempt hearing for Amazon if the company doesn't also turn over the names and addresses of anybody in North Carolina who has purchased goods off its website since August 2003, according to the suit. The company said that amounts to nearly 50 million purchases.
"If Amazon is forced to comply with this demand, the disclosure will invade the privacy and violate the First Amendment rights of Amazon and its customers on a massive scale," the suit states. "The (Revenue Department) does not need personally identifiable information
about Amazon's customers in order to audit Amazon's compliance with state tax laws. All it needs to know is what items Amazon sold to North Carolina customers and what they paid, and Amazon has already provided that information."
This would seem to be a significant invasion of privacy by the Department of Revenue, and I will be very interested to see if they can find a reasonable way to justify this intrusion.
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NC DOR pretty clearly wants to go back and make us pay taxes (and penalties) on our past purchases from out of state.
The beast, after all, must be fed. It is hungry and insatiable.
Posted by: Russ at April 20, 2010 12:26 PM (7r11k)
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Money. Every law we have comes down to money. It is sick. Gett government out of our lives. Many of us are ready to push them out. Tick tock...
Posted by: Odins Acolyte at April 20, 2010 01:43 PM (brIiu)
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It's all about the money. The state government has destroyed NC business by excessive taxation, and now want to tax state residents on online purchases to refill the plundered state coffers. Of course, we're now in the top ten highest state taxes in the country, and approaching that for unemployment, but rather than cut spending, we'll just tax the people who still have jobs for purchases that aren't supposed to be taxed. Love this place...NOT!
Posted by: Candy at April 20, 2010 03:43 PM (VL4iq)
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this is a perfect example of why gov. tax men go to hell when they die//////
just kidding.... ...im sure one or two might make it into purgatory instead.
Posted by: rumcrook¾ at April 20, 2010 06:23 PM (60WiD)
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When you use your computer to purchase goods and services, you effectively turn your terminal into a store. Is it not right then for the state to charge taxes on your purchases?
Posted by: Steve Schwab at April 21, 2010 06:08 AM (7kc3N)
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Wow. I thought they were talking about California when I saw that. My bad!
Posted by: TimothyJ at April 22, 2010 09:51 AM (IKKIf)
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Bill Clinton: Child Torturer and Killer
I'd never heard this before.
CS gas was used at the compound, in order, as senior White House adviser George Stephanopoulos said, echoing senior Justice Department statements, to "try and pressure" those in the compound. It was hoped, he said, that as this "pressure was increased, the maternal instincts of the mothers might take over and they might try to leave with their kids" (Washington Times, April 23, 1995).
But the FBI knew beforehand that adults in the compound had gas masks; the gas therefore would not put pressure on them. On whom, then? If the FBI knew that the adults had gas masks, but went ahead with the gas attack anyway, it is plain that this "pressure" was brought directly against the children because, as the FBI knew, they could not fit into adult– size gas masks. "Maternal feelings", the FBI hoped, would be unleashed in the mothers by watching their children choking, gasping and blistering from the gas.
The plan Reno approved and took to President Clinton for approval contemplated the children choking in the gas unprotected for forty-eight hours if necessary, to produce the requisite "maternal feelings". By taking aim at the children with potentially lethal gas, their mothers would be compelled, according to the FBI plan repeatedly defended by the Clinton administration afterwards as "rational" planning, to flee with them into the arms of those trying to gas them. [Emphasis added.]
An independent report on Waco written by the Harvard Professor of Law and Psychiatry, Alan A. Stone, for the then Deputy Attorney General Philip Heymann, says it “is difficult to believe that the US government would deliberately plan to expose twenty-five children, most of them infants and toddlers, to CS gas for forty-eight hours”. Unfortunately, however, that appears to have been exactly the plan.
The effect of CS gas on an unprotected infant exposed for only two to three hours is discussed in the report; in that case report, dating from the early 1970s, the child’s symptoms during the first twenty-four hours were upper respiratory; but, within forty-eight hours his face showed evidence of first degree burns, and he was in severe respiratory distress typical of chemical pneumonia. The infant had cyanosis, required urgent positive pressure pulmonary care, and was hospitalized for twenty– eight days. Other signs of toxicity appeared, including an enlarged liver.
Professor Stone's report is measured, careful and damning.
There is more at Volokh, and
Dr. Stone's report suggests that some of the infants, toddlers, and children died as a direct result of suffocation caused by the CS gas.
President William Jefferson Clinton signed off on a plan that he knew would cause innocent babies and children to suffer the effects of CS gas... in fact, the entire plan hinged upon their torture and suffering.
Someone please explain to me why Clinton should not be brought up on felony charges and spend the rest of his life in prison for agreeing to a plan that counted on the torture of 25 innocent infants and children. Convince me that he shouldn't face the death penalty for those that suffocated to death because of his decision.
Clinton had the audacity to try to tell us Sunday to be wary of another Timothy McVeigh. Evil bastard that he was, McVeigh's plan didn't hinge on the torture and abuse of children. Bill Clinton's did.
His life should end in a federal prison.
Sadly, we all know that will never happen.
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I had never heard any of this before either. OMG. Thank you for posting it!
Posted by: DragonLady at April 20, 2010 09:36 AM (7glNz)
Posted by: Foxfier at April 20, 2010 09:40 AM (OtIqW)
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Yeah... but free healthcare!
Posted by: TexasRainmaker at April 20, 2010 10:12 AM (FSLpr)
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when they do somthing like this it is progress and part of the biger plan and no one in the MSM will never say anything about it
Posted by: Rich at April 20, 2010 10:17 AM (siQqy)
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Many gallons of acetone were pumped into the structures to defeat the Davidians' gas mask filters.
Acetone vapors are highly flammable. The next thing anyone knew, a massive fire erupted. Surprised?
A small spark, whether from an older telephone ringing, or from a handheld pyrotechnic device
(I wonder who could have ordered to toss or fire a flare into the building?) could have set the blaze a'burning.
Slick and his pug Reno should be tried for murder- the assault on the Davidians was for an alleged tax violation! That charge was never substantiated, BTW, but the local LEO was shoved aside, and we know what happened after the fibbies took over from the ATF.
As for the use of National Guard tracked vehicles and helicopters? After all these years, this skunk still stinks to high Heaven.
Posted by: KS at April 20, 2010 10:19 AM (gyYmO)
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There does seem to be a problem with the Statute of LImitations, unless the charges amount to murder. B.J. Clinton seems to have entered the realm of Ted Kennedy, kiling with a depraved indifference to life. It is dispicable but it does not seem like murder.
Posted by: DavidL at April 20, 2010 12:34 PM (uMia6)
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With the Dems, it's always all about the children.
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at April 20, 2010 12:43 PM (j7Qdp)
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I knew this from day one by the behavior the Feds displayed. It screamed guilt and nobody seemed to care to say anything. Everyone involved was a participant in murder. I have hated those folks, and I mean hate without regret or remorse. A hard death would be the only jutice and there is no justice in this world. No human really wants justice unless it is for another. Still, those kids deserved none of what they got. I spit on the cClintons and all involved in that massacre.
Posted by: Odins Acolyte at April 20, 2010 01:49 PM (brIiu)
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Man, the mainstream bloggers are staying away from this in droves. It's not like Volokh to post wild, sensational stories that are unvetted. And yet, no one will touch it, even with all the Dick Morris hubub.
I think Clinton knew someone was digging up this dirt and his comments were a pre-emptive redirect to cut the knees out from any report. I think Dick Morris knew it, too, but is too mindful of his career to come out with it.
Posted by: Joan of Argghh! at April 20, 2010 08:46 PM (O9THF)
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Never Forget WACO!
At the time I condemned Reno and Clinton from just common sense analysis; what is scary is that my neighbors and associates didnot! They thought he crazies deserved to die. Alas, a tribute to the the success of the demoncratic party's spin machine.
Posted by: JosephineSouthern at April 21, 2010 12:17 PM (CvZV4)
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William Jefferson Clinton will go down as the second best president in the twentieth century. You idiots impeached him when his approval ratings were near 60%. He looks a lot better compared to his predecessor and George Walker Bush who will go down in history as the worst president of all time. Bush was so bad he hid under his desk and let Paulson and Goldman run the country in the summer of 2008. Maybe run is not the right word, robbery is better description. I know you will delete this post like the coward you are.
Posted by: ike at April 21, 2010 10:19 PM (7dpRu)
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I was not on the internet so I listened to talk radio and this was a slaughter from day one, government snipers killed the dogs after that failed home invasion, the truth of what was done to those in the compound is as horrible as how they were killed. I watched with rage as the fire burned and fire trucks were denied access and that day I learned that my own government would kill me and my family whenever they wanted and the press would make the attack my fault.
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April 19, 2010
Top AQI Terrorists Killed
It has taken several years of hard work, but the top two leaders of al Qaeda in Iraq have been confirmed killed in a joint U.S./Iraqi operation:
Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki announced Monday that two top insurgent leaders had been killed, including a somewhat mythic figure who has operated under the name Abu Omar al-Baghdadi. Mr. Baghdadi has been reported dead or detained several times previously, and his very existence had been called into question a few years ago by American military leaders.
After Mr. Maliki’s press conference, the American military released a statement verifying that Mr. Baghdadi was killed in a joint raid between Iraqi and United States forces in the dark hours of Sunday morning near Tikrit, near Saddam Hussein’s hometown.
Also killed, according to Mr. Maliki and American officials, was Abu Ayyub al-Masri, the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq, also known as Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, a largely Iraqi group that includes some foreign leadership.
The simple fact of the matter is that al-Baghdadi was a fictional character when he began, and was a voice
played by an actor. Later a former officer-turned-terrorist picked up the moniker, and it is this second al-Baghdadi that was killed.
al-Masri's death was the most important of the two, but it was nice that both were terminated together, which should serve to fragment the group further.
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More Thuggish Threats of Teabagger Violence
That is what you call it when Democrats are arrested for threatening Republican politicians with violence, right?
A 66-year-old man was arrested Sunday for threatening Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite (R-Fla.) last month, the FBI said.
The man, Erik Lawrence Pidrman, was arrested by FBI and local law enforcement agents Sunday afternoon.
Pidrman left a voice mail at Brown-Waite's district office saying, "Just wanna let you know I have 27 people that are going to make sure that this ***** does not live to see her next term."
Pidrman was a $250
Democratic donor to the 2008 Hillary Clinton campaign and a self-described
blackout drunk.
Sounds like he'd be
right at home in the State Department.
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Sounds like your a-typical "informed, educated and intellectual" democrat we are all hearing about on the MSM (as opposed to the dumb, racist, violent, misogynistic tea-partiers). Hope he enjoys the inner workings of the (mainly) democrat legal system. Watch out for Bubba...he likes to "spoon" after lights-out.
Posted by: Sparky at April 19, 2010 07:22 PM (14wIQ)
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I have a question for all you "head in the sand" libs who monitor this site - Could you explain why ALL of the violence is being committed by democrats yet all we hear are democrats compaining about conservatives and tea party members who MIGHT/MABY/COULD be violent. Also, please explain/justify the truely horrible act of vicious violence on that couple in New Orleans by lib/democrat thugs. I just don't get it. CAT GOT YOUR TOUNGE??????
Posted by: mixitup at April 19, 2010 07:29 PM (Z21cb)
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Mixit,
The answer you're looking for is "projection," it's straight out of the Alinsky playbook.
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Posted by: tiffany jewelry at February 10, 2011 08:45 PM (YYWUN)
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Organized Thuggery Getting More Organized in NC
The Washington Post notes this morning that North Carolina Democrats are attempting to create a hard-left third party to oust those NC Democrats who voted against Obamacare. The State Employees Association of North Carolina (SEANC) is building an organization called North Carolina First in order to punish Democratic Reps. Larry Kissell, Heath Shuler and Mike McIntyre for their "no" votes on Obamacare.
It is worth noting that SEANC is a part of SEIU, the purple-shirted thugs that have assaulted people at several town hall meetings. SEANC is only marginally less bullying, as a family friend and a prison guard found out when blue-shirted SEANC members
shouted down and intimidated attendees at a health care townhall meeting in Greenville, NC, last August 11th.
SEANC and SEIU are cut from the same dirty cloth, and so there should be little doubt that North Carolina First is actually Democratic Party First, Union Power Second, North Carolina Third (or Lower). I guess the more accurate DPFUPSNCTOL was a bit unwieldy and hard to fit on a sign.
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Well, NC's ballot access laws are pretty draconian so the odds of them getting on the Nov 2 ballot are pretty slim. The primaries though - that will be another matter. I think the Dem primaries in NC are open so I guess I'll be pulling the lever for Kissell, Shuler and McIntyre like I did for Hillary.
*SIGH*
The sacrifices I make for this country ...
Posted by: Dan Irving at April 19, 2010 11:41 AM (zw8QA)
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They want to create a third party? Splitting the Dem vote?
How can we help them?
Posted by: Silhouette at April 19, 2010 12:41 PM (+ZT5h)
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I wish them luck. I can't wait to attend some of their unhinged political rallies for whatever barking moonbats they nominate to run for those seats.
Posted by: William Teach at April 19, 2010 12:48 PM (7yTel)
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Can I help to sign up a permanent "Green party" (actually the Red Party) and "Working Families Party" as well? What about "Gaians For Gore"? Perhaps "The Real Democrat Party" and perhaps the "New Democrat Party"? Whatever I can do to help the South rise again (democrats) and sink back into oblivion.
Posted by: Sparky at April 19, 2010 07:26 PM (14wIQ)
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If we are going to break the power of these gigantic state unions, we are going to have to pass laws that forbid them from donating to political parties. The quid for the pro is so quo. The government employees think they are the bosses and are acting in accordance with that belief.
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...And He Still Doesn't Understand
Bill Clinton took to the pages of the New York Times yesterday with an op-ed entitled What We Learned in Oklahoma City.
The former President laments the lives lost when Timothy McVeigh detonated a massive truck bomb outside the Alfred P. Murrah federal building 15 years ago today. He struck the right notes as we remember and mourn those who died in this act of mass murder.
But Clinton showed that he still doesn't understand the heart of the nation he led, nor its purpose or dreams with
one telling paragraph:
Finally, we should never forget what drove the bombers, and how they justified their actions to themselves. They took to the ultimate extreme an idea advocated in the months and years before the bombing by an increasingly vocal minority: the belief that the greatest threat to American freedom is our government, and that public servants do not protect our freedoms, but abuse them. On that April 19, the second anniversary of the assault of the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, deeply alienated and disconnected Americans decided murder was a blow for liberty.
Clinton is dead wrong when he questions whether or not the greatest threat to American freedom is our government.
Of course it is. The Federal government is a far greater threat to our liberties than any external threat.
Protected by the breadth of the two great oceans and the world's most dominate air and naval forces and the most experienced, combat-capable Army and Marines in world history, there simply is no threat of foreign military invasion. Nor is any nation likely to challenge our economic might externally, as the American economy is the economic engine of the interconnected world... if it collapses, it hurts them as well.
It is a literal fact that the only significant and constant threat to our liberties is government, and especially the over-reaching federal government.
Clinton was always admired by liberals and reviled by conservatives for his ability to tell the American people a lie with the greatest sincerity. Perhaps that is still his greatest asset, as he tries to tell us just weeks after a far-left Democrat Party rammed through legislation that mandates we purchase a product of their choosing or face fines, that our public servants seek protect our freedoms, when it is obvious to us all that they abuse them.
He goes on to mention almost in passing the most telling thing about our would-be tyrants, when he nearly whispers:
Americans have more freedom and broader rights than citizens of almost any other nation in the world, including the capacity to criticize their government and their elected officials...
We
almost have more freedom.
We
almost have more rights.
What the former President will not mention is that our freedoms are declining under our current radicalized President and Congress. We now
rank eighth in economic freedom, with "
notable decreases in financial freedom, monetary freedom, and property rights."
The sad fact Clinton himself intentionally contributes to oppression, with this very op-ed attempting to draw parallels between today's peaceful protests against a power-crazed federal government, and the Oklahoma City terrorist attack that was a response to his Justice Department's inept handling of the Branch Davidian siege that left dozens of men, women and innocent dead.
The former President strays back on message almost accidentally, if for but a moment, when he mentions that, "Criticism is part of the lifeblood of democracy," and "Civic virtue can include harsh criticism, protest, even civil disobedience. But not violence or its advocacy."
The sad fact of the matter, however, is that neither the explosively-tempered Clinton nor our notoriously thin-skinned current President or liberal Congress can handle even the most mild criticism without waging full-scale counterattacks in response. There has been precious little violence except that committed by leftists. There hasn't even been civil disobedience.
Instead, we have a former President hoping to tie an act of domestic terrorism 15 years ago to freedom-loving groups often led by genial mothers and grandmothers today. Why? Because they've organized protests, and have made remarks critical of his preferred ideology.
Bill Clinton's government was responsible for killing more American civilians on American soil than any President alive, and he seeks to chide Tea Party protesters for pithy signs espousing a return to the core principles of our Founders.
Have a Coke and a smile, Bill, and quit attempting to smear your fellow Americans for desiring freedom instead of government control.
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Good article CY. Summates many of our thoughts. I mights add that at one point FDR was asked about his elimination of American rights (same policies still in effect if Jim shows up), his response was that the people still had the right to religion.
What McVey did was certainly extreme. But I feel that he and others are being pushed into violence as our system has broken. We have lost representative government and our ability to change government through elections has been made irrevelent. Thus I feel the majority are disenfranchised. This is different from the violence that we see from the left were violence seems to be the first response and this from a minority of the voters (probably about 20% actually desire the socialism our government in moving to).
In large part, some of this is due to the Republican Party elite who have more in common with the Democrats than the rank and file and conservatives. Without a voice, there will be violence.
Posted by: David at April 19, 2010 10:55 AM (jHK8i)
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Sorry, McVey = McVeigh.
Posted by: David at April 19, 2010 11:00 AM (jHK8i)
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So right.
We shall not forget what led up to the
OKC bombing.
It was definatly the Government that pushed the envelope and yet it appears once again the government is pressing forward setting, itself up as rescuer when most people do not need or want rescuing.
Posted by: ron at April 19, 2010 11:32 AM (5wJgS)
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yes, you certainly are a watchdog over excessive governmental intrusion:
http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/192956.php
you couldn't even be bothered to gin up an opinion about warrantless wiretapping for chrissake.
stay vigilant!
Posted by: rapido at April 19, 2010 12:33 PM (acnXX)
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To B.J. Cinton, who butchered innocent American citizens in Waco, attacked asprin factoire in Somalia, kidnapped children in Florida and waged illegal, immoral and unjustified war on Yugoslavai, STFU.
Posted by: DavidL at April 19, 2010 12:47 PM (uMia6)
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I found a great article on this by, of all people, Gore Vidal. Google Gore Vidal and McVeigh. He wrote a very good article for one of the more liberal magazines that shows what led to the bombing and the trial of McVeigh.
Posted by: David at April 19, 2010 01:23 PM (jHK8i)
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First of all, Ruby Ridge and Waco were terrible, terrible travesties. Innocent people were killed because of the antipathy, negligence and seeming desire for confrontation on the part of federal agents at the scene. Clinton and Reno got bad information from people on the ground, and made bad decisions based on that information.
That said, no one pushes you into violence. A person chooses violence. The Clinton administration, with its attempt at healthcare reform, deficit reduction, earned income tax credit, and waiting period for handgun purchases, did not force Timothy McVeigh to murder 168 people.
If we are losing representative government, it is because the people are losing representation in favor of money. The more money you have (e.g. investment banks) the more representation you have in the legislative process.
The majority voted for Bush and his Republican congress, and we got Republican policies. Then, the majority voted for Obama and his Democratic congress, and we're getting Democratic policies. The common thread is that any change in the law has to benefit existing monied interests.
Basically, what I'm saying is that if you believe that the greatest threat to liberty is the government, tell people about it. Try to change the government. People on the right and people on the left (distinct from Republicans and Democrats) agree that the government is to some degree unaccountable and out of control. We can all work to make it more accountable.
But the more representative we can make the government, the crazier you look when you rationalize political violence, also known as terrorism.
Posted by: Evan at April 19, 2010 02:35 PM (U0pUw)
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Evan,
I am afraid you are wrong. Our politicians are not only motivated by money. If they were then we would be a much better situation. The fact is that they want power. Currently only 50% of the US pays tax. About 46% of the US is receiving money from the government is some manner. This makes it so that those of us that produce and want to get ahead are slaves to this voting block. Both Democrats and Republicans have turned a deaf ear to the concerns of those of us that produce. The election process that we have is geared to distroy the average person that may rise up and have a different message from the establishment. I don't endorse Palin, but look at the efforts of the MSM as she tries to deliver a message that is moderate.
Our country has strayed from the contract that we made. The voting process is not working. Not 15 years ago and certainly not now. People have had enough. At some point you have to proceed to a different level in our interaction with the government and those that support it. Here in the South, all we wanted to do was go our own way. That was stopped by Lincoln. That sentiment is still there, in fact more so than any other time. Unless the government makes significant changes in coming years then we will revist the situation of 1860.
All violence is not terror. If so, then our forefathers were certainly terrorist. Of the many things I can fault Bush on, it was his use of the word terror. We are at war with Islam. They use terror. Currently I am not sure what we are using, but it isn't enough. Thus, simply because you desire to ease politicans and there friends out of office, you are not committing terror. If you take the war to those that are innocent, then that is a different matter.
I don't think people are worried about the image they are protraying as they used to. The reason is that no matter what you do, it is being distorted. Also, we are very close to catastrophe in our country. The time of image is over.
Posted by: David at April 19, 2010 04:09 PM (jHK8i)
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Of course the protest organizers gave the story to the libs on a silver platter by holding events today. Regardless of the intent for other days in history, days with histories like today should be avoided at all costs if only to keep raw meat from the mouths of the flaming liberal media.
Posted by: David at April 19, 2010 06:59 PM (JvX/M)
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I guess I don't remember things so well...Wasn't Oklahoma City on the same exact date as the Waco massacre? (Yes, The Davidians were insane cultists and 3 federal officers were killed in the botched initial raid, but couldn't it have been handled better?) Yes, no connection or motivation. Was McVeigh a member of the seventh-day adventist offshoot Davidians or a useful idiot for someone else?
I still think that LIBERAL Gore Vidal was right. He said after interviewing him that McVeigh was a soldier, not a mastermind and he went to his death covering it up. Al Qaeda, act one, perhaps?
Posted by: Sparky at April 19, 2010 07:34 PM (14wIQ)
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David,
I am afraid you are wrong. Unemployment in this country is listed at 12%. I'm sure it is higher but that is what the statistics show currently. Now for those of us who are working we are paying taxes right off the top of our checks. It's called social security and medicare. Now for the unemployed in my state of MI those receiving unemployment checks still have to pay federal income tax. http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_unemployment_mi.html You put gas in your car? Here are the federal taxes you pay for that. http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp Did you get a tax refund this year? If you're like me and my spouse we got one because we over payed our taxes. Now if you actually qualified for the earned income credit which was implemented by Ronald Reagan by the way it means you had to have had earned income. That means you had to have held a job and actually earned your income. The govt. got to use the tax dollars you paid throughout the year interest free, collected your share of social security tax, medicare tax, and then gave you a little back in return for living below a living wage! Just trying to clear up your misconceptions about taxes and who pays them. Hope that helped.
Posted by: Cal at April 19, 2010 08:08 PM (v2ThK)
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Let me get this straight: when external terrorists attack us, it's never justifiable to blame our government's actions but when domestic terrorists attack us, it IS the government's fault. Why do right wingers hate America?
Posted by: digitusmedius at April 20, 2010 07:51 AM (TCeVr)
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Sorry Cal, you are the one that is wrong. Stats indicate 46% don't pay tax. The fact that your check is deducted means very little if it is returned in April and likely with a bonus. I would suggest some research.
Posted by: David at April 20, 2010 09:34 AM (dccG2)
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No David, you're the one that's wrong. The number you are citing is just for the *income* tax. As Cal was trying to explain to you.
Posted by: RB at April 20, 2010 11:32 AM (sOMO5)
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RB,
And your point is? If you arn't paying income tax, then your arn't paying squat. State tax does not even come close at the income levels that you are talking about. I stand by the statement, 46% of Americans don't pay tax.
Posted by: David at April 20, 2010 02:47 PM (dccG2)
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Oh, SSI, sorry, that is not a tax. It is packaged as a tax as FDR could not pass it without that designation. It is an insurance payment to a trust. You get the money back in an elaborate Ponzey scheme that is going broke. So it is not a tax in the true sense of the word.
Posted by: David at April 20, 2010 02:51 PM (dccG2)
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David:
Actually, the 46% is the number who have no Federal income tax liability. There are many other kinds of Federal tax (Social Security, Medicare, etc.) -- only about 10% of the population is not subject to one of these. Furthermore, there are State and local income taxes and sales taxes of various sorts to be paid. Just about everybody pays taxes, as it turns out.
Maybe more to your point: the top 1% actually pays LESS taxes as a percentage of income than the next 20%. Given your worries about fairness, where's your outrage about this?
Posted by: AndyS at April 20, 2010 04:20 PM (g1d9l)
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Andy,
Perhaps in the little socialist world in which you live you like the fact that the majority of the people can vote to take away the product of others labor. Somehow, I don't think that was the intent of the founding fathers in setting up a free country. I find any aspect of a progressive tax to be inherently unfair. If you want to tax more of the "rich" then allow them more voting rights. Personally, I don't see the need for the Federal government to have the ability to obtain the amount of money being generated by the income tax. They need to reduce their needs and expenses to fit the tax program before Lincoln. That would assure our freedom as our freedom is not being challenged by Islam, Nazi's, Japs, or any of the other bad guys. It is being challenged by the government that we are feeding.
Posted by: David at April 20, 2010 05:10 PM (ZgM5r)
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So...Waco and Ruby Ridge made it OK to kill a bunch of people in Oklahoma City?
Just to confirm. Simple, really. Either it was OK or it wasn't. Parsing the behaviors of Janet Reno or Bill Clinton in this situation is a tricky precedent. Lots of AG's did lots of things, you know. Gonzales in Texas presided over the execution of an innocent man; is he responsible for that? Is George HW Bush responsible for the 290 civilians who died when the Vincennes shot down an unarmed airliner with a missile? Is George W. Bush responsible for every casualty of the Iraq war, or just a percentage of them?
No, of course they aren't. Waco isn't a specific cause. It isn't even an 'event'. David Koresh was screwing the little girls inside the BD compound--if you defend Waco, you defend him, or will you parse that too?
Writers are supposed to shed light and organize ideas. You are doing the opposite: shedding shadow and splitting ideas into unconnected, corrupt, and morally poisonous insults. Worse, you are participating in the Republican war on intelligence that is entering its second generation. No facts are beyond respinning. No moral code can't be twisted to serve us. No degree of hypocrisy is too bald-faced. No policy or posture is too incoherent to broadcast proudly within the closed-circuit echo chamber. It would be amusing if it weren't so dangerous.
I wish we had Barry Goldwater and the Rule of Law back in the Republican Party. You guys are like a bunch of coked-up chimpanzees.
ice9
Posted by: ice9 at April 20, 2010 05:21 PM (PwML2)
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Ice9,
Well said and as far as David goes I guess he just doesn't understand that no matter what you purchase you are paying taxes. I never got into how 95% of us got a tax break. Let him do his own research, I give up. Of course that tax break really amounts to squat when our wages don't go up. At work today I had to hear about the co. maybe getting a new fingerprint scanner for us to log into the computer when just last week they were bitching about everyone having too many hours, payrolls too high, blah, blah, blah.
Posted by: Cal at April 20, 2010 06:59 PM (v2ThK)
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ice9,
I have a question. I don't wish to justify McVeigh, though I can understand his anger. But, when do you fight back against your government when the contract you have with them is not being honored? Consider pre-war Germany. If you were a Jew or even an average German, when would you fight back? 1933,1935,maybe 1942. Exactly when does the government cross the line and become something other than an intentity that you can control or fails to respond to the will of the majority. Just asking.
Cal,
Learn to read. I can see why the company is concerned.
Posted by: David at April 20, 2010 07:17 PM (ZgM5r)
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David, treason may turn out to have been prescient or brave, but that's the job of future historians. If you commit treason, you should expect your government and as many of your fellow citizens who disagree with you to object to your actions. Are you expecting to get a cookie or something?
Posted by: Magatha at April 20, 2010 08:51 PM (T5UfM)
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Keen analysis and absolutely correct.
Let's don't ever forget that this man was impeached, and later disbarred, for failure to tell the truth under oath. His capacity for prevarication is rivaled only by that of his Vice President and the man who currently puts his feet on the desk...
Posted by: I Bleed Crimson Red at April 20, 2010 09:31 PM (bv1hq)
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Evan: you're bringing some sanity to the discussion; the problem a lot of CY readers have is that they can't get their heads around the fact that Obama was legitimately elected, and that his policies are pretty moderate ones that reflect popular will.
But no matter how much sanity you bring, you'll never touch folks like David:
"Here in the South, all we wanted to do was go our own way. That was stopped by Lincoln."
Poor David, poor South, so oppressed. All they wanted to do was ... what, David? What exactly?
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April 18, 2010
Why the Sudden Anti-Gay Hysterics From the White House?
I don't know the first thing about Judge Elena Kagan and couldn't care one bit about her sexuality preferences, anymore than I care about Samuel Alito's sex life.
The Obama White House, however, certainly
made a scene when it got hysterical over Ben Domenech's claim that possible Supreme Court nominee was openly gay. Kagan's preference is apparently
common knowledge on
gay blogs, but apparently not something the White House wants broadcast.
Domenech eventually retracted his claim under pressure, but not before vehement White House denials made it appear that a charge of being gay was on par with child molestation.
I'm not really sure what message the Obama Adminstration is trying to send by telling everyone they support gay rights on one hand, only to turn around and make being gay sound like the most objectionable sin possible on the other.
At the very least it is bad optics, and quite possibly, evidence of their own underlying bigotry.
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Is there any hypocrisy we should not come to expect from this WH? Or, at a deeper level, is this evidence of how desperate the WH has become - afraid that they lack the political muscle (after a mere 18 months) to push through a lesbian candidate to the SCOTUS despite big majorities? Watching the hard left 'GLBT' crowd abandon BHO will be such delicious fun ...
Watch - within several weeks the narrative will be that Judge Kagan was picked because she was a lesbian, in order for the WH to get another diversity "first".
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April 17, 2010
Don't Fire Up The Black Helicopters Just Yet...
It was several years ago—during the Bush Administration—that Ward Brewer was pitching the idea of reconfiguring a small fleet of retired naval vessels into long-term, heavy-lift emergency response vehicles that could provide food, water, shelter, power, medical care and emergency transportation in the event of a major national disaster or terrorist attack.
The idea had a lot going for it.
In the big scheme of things it is relatively inexpensive (remember, we're talking in government dollars) and could turn retiring
Tarawa-class Amphibious Assault Ships into even more important national assets than they were as weapons. Loaded with first responders and equipment, such vessels would have been a godsend in the response to the recent earthquake in Haiti, not to mention the hurricane season.
For various reasons, plans for what I'd quickly dubbed the &qout;Salvation Navy" never came together, but that doesn't mean that Ward's ideas weren't good ones. His ideas found champions in various political and military leaders, along with similar plans already under discussion.
One of those ideas evolved into cross-training military units to perform roles in disasters, and plans were made to create both interim and long-term solutions.
Sadly, some of the same sort of conspiracy theorists that think 9/11 was an inside job to hide Barack Obama's Kenyan birth quickly assigned a sinister purpose to the unit in question, which observant blogger David Luckie noticed in a conspiratorial column in the
Examiner.
Nutty, much?
In October of this year, one month prior to the November midterm elections, a special army unit known as 'Consequence Management Response Force' will be ready for deployment on American soil if so ordered by the President.
The special force, which is the new name being given to the 1st Brigade Combat Team of the 3rd Infantry, has been training at Fort Stewart, Georgia and is composed of 80,000 troops.
According to the Army Times,
They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.
The key phrase is 'may be called upon to help with civil unrest.'
This afternoon a local radio talk show host reported that he had been in contact with a member of the military. This military source stated that the armed forces have been alerted to the strong possibility that civil unrest may occur in the United States this summer, prior to the midterm elections of 2010.
The gist of the column was to gin up fears that Barack Obama was building a massive
Gestapo-like force to be unleashed so that he could seize control of the government and declare himself Emperor... or something. Read the rest, if you want.
Mr. Luckie, who blogs at
I Bleed Crimson Red,
simply shreds the conspiratorial ranting of the
Examiner columnist by actually talking with real, honest to God people-who-know-what-they're-talking-about.
It won't dissuade those poor souls that need conspiracies the way the rest of us need oxygen, but Luckie's demolition of this myth of Obama's secret Army should satisfy any questions most normal people have about the unit.
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Isn't a good indication that this is probably an exaggeration "at least" the fact that 80,000 troops would be more like a Corps-sized organization than a brigade combat team?
And wouldn't pulling 80,000 active-duty troops into such an organization put a little bit of a strain on our manpower needs elsewhere?
Posted by: Gunpowder Chronicle at April 17, 2010 05:51 PM (7ecJO)
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Especially when the force has been authorized at 450k size along with the new configuration of the Homeland Security and lets not forget the recent appearance of the previously non-existent Join Task Force for Terrorism. NOOOO there is nothing going on here so just move along folks........
I wonder what the MIAC report and the other Government documents are being released for?
Again, just move along, nothing here just trust us.
Ya, right!
Posted by: JohnQ at April 18, 2010 08:22 AM (u0FmQ)
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Just providing they are not training up the civilian defense force which will be just as large and have as big a budget as the Defence Deoartment.
Posted by: davod at April 18, 2010 09:25 AM (GUZAT)
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as the old saying goes just because your paranoid doesn't mean that someone isn't out to get you
Posted by: Rich at April 18, 2010 11:01 AM (siQqy)
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Oh-ya, I forgot this really nagging question I have had about the initial choice of the 3st Brigade Combat Team of the 3rd Infantry. These are not good combat troops - these are some of the best with the most experience in urban assault received from actual combat in our ongoing operations. I really mean I respect these men and women and their commitment and sacrifice so please understand when I am asking WTF are we expecting down the road be selecting this group when we are looking for troops to "help" with emergencies? I mean we are training our troops to go house to house looking for undesirables and confiscating weapons. This is not fire, earthquake, or other natural disasters. I am just asking were are the search and rescue assignments in these hardened assault troops? Are these men and women MP's, Doctors, Search & Rescue, or anything like that? NOOOO, these are the best men and women we have to crack an urban center and crush it. So please tell me again with all of the other lies coming out of the Whitehouse and Congress why we should not be looking anything less then a full press assault coming from our friendly Federal Government by the selection of this combat brigade to seed this new organization?
Please don't insult us with any more propaganda like this. Maybe you do believe this tripe and if so I apologize in advance but I find that hard to believe form the other posts on this blog and articles published in other places.
So what is it Belief, Trust, or pucked?
JohnQ
Posted by: JohnQ at April 18, 2010 12:27 PM (u0FmQ)
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JohnQ, the unit is not the 3rd of the 3rd, but primarily combat support units of the 1st of the 3rd... learn to read.
It is worth saying again for those who missed it before, this cross-training was proposed well before Barack Obama was President, and began under Bush (at which point it was crazed leftists claiming Bush was going to use the unit to install a military dictatorship).
Sometimes the people "out to get you" are merely the orderlies attempting to get you your meds.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 18, 2010 01:31 PM (8uhHq)
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Bob:
On this one... I dunno... the concept of utilizing STBs (Special Troops Battalions) or any other part of our 'regular forces' in the United States is, on its face, I believe a violation of Posse Comitatus.
Unless the proper 'disaster' is of military in nature, then I can understand utilizing those who are best trained/equipped for it, especially a NBC (Nuke Bio Chem) event. Every single US troop (and even us contractors) get the 'basics' in training, (as much as it was a refresher for most of us contractors as we're 90% former military).
I fully understand the 'tinfoil kids' and fear of the "Black Helicopters" as the past few years has shown an inherent distrust of, if not the military itself per se, but the hand that weilds the military 'hammer' de facto.
The biggest issue we have facing us is a monetary system thats on the verge of collapsing, a 'out of work' population that is rapidly understanding that the "well is dry" and that the compounding lack of a realistic approach to fixing the problems at the core, coupled with a degrading international scene, and the time is right for every demogog with an Antigummit Axe to grind is going to have a soapbox to preach from.
History repeats itself. It's circular. One should study the Weimar Republic and realize we aren't far removed from that happening to us in the US, nevermind that if the US fails spectacularly, then so goes the world. As the interrelation of economies is just too intertwined to extricate ourselves from this in a meaningful way, not without 'breaking some eggs' so to speak.
Add in the failure of the media to meaningfully ask the 'tough questions' and the continued state of De Nile (not just a river in Egypt anymore) by our supposed "representatives," and hey, we're looking at a "Prefect Storm" that might coalate into something truly ugly.
The Tea Party is just the beginning. A lack of realization that "Joe and Judy Sixpack" have finally glimpsed 'the man behind the curtain' and realized Oz ain't gonna fix it, and man... talk about a potential "Summer of Discontent."
Posted by: Big Country at April 18, 2010 02:48 PM (H/RUP)
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and just as a corallary: I'm in $%#@ing IRAQ and even I can see how jacked things are looking... and if I can see it for garnering my intel thru the net from 8500 miles away, I'm sure that back home, the picture is that much grimmer....
Posted by: Big Country at April 18, 2010 02:53 PM (H/RUP)
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Shame they didn't follow through, as that type of ship would be great about now to ferry stranded Americans back from Europe.
I note with interest that no one in the federal government is taking any measures to implement sealift to remedy the current disaster unfolding from volcanic ash. If non-combatant evacuation (NEO) is needed to bring home military families from England and Germany, where's the sealift coming from? Personally, where I a military member in Europe, I'd already have my family at NEO Phase I.
Posted by: Timothy at April 20, 2010 01:07 PM (y8hzV)
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Latest on the Bautsch/Brown Attack in New Orleans
The Hayride continues to make the case that the attack on Bobby Jindal's 25-year-old campaign fundraiser Allie Bautsch and her boyfriend Joe Brown after an event at Brennan's last Friday night was politically motivated.
I agree that is by far the most likely scenario. The reports the victims made to police make it clear that when they left the restaurant they were followed and then set-upon by left-wing protestors that had attempted to rush the restaurant much earlier in the evening, and which had chased another person into a cab shortly before the attack on Bautsch and Wilson.
Ambushed from behind by 3-5 thugs, Wilson suffered a concussion, broken nose, and broken jaw. Bautsch had her ankle broken. Both will take months to heal.
High-ranking Democrats and their media allies continue to trumpet the threat of "right wing violence." That call to caution isn't completely unwarranted, as the recent arrest of the Hutaree militia-cult proves. But the simple fact of the matter is that most violence of this sort comes from leftists, and the media spends most of its time finding way to ignore that fact.
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Why would you believe it was carried out by left-wing protesters, except that you simply want to believe that? Because the actual police report has the attackers yelling homophobic epithets, and nothing about the victims' political affiliation.
The police aren't backing your story.
Posted by: Dave at April 17, 2010 12:12 PM (YhDZE)
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Dave - Must be tough breathing in all that SAND!!
Posted by: mixitup at April 17, 2010 12:39 PM (7V/qn)
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Dave why do you have such a hard time being fair about this issue.
Posted by: rumcrook¾ at April 17, 2010 05:36 PM (60WiD)
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Just read the report. Here's one line from it:
"It should be noted that other than making reference to the victims being nicely dressed, along with other observations about their physical appearance, Mr. Brown did not hear them make any other comments."
Posted by: Dave at April 17, 2010 05:51 PM (YhDZE)
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so its all just happenstance and bad karma that anarcho democrat trouble makers were casing the restaurant, wanting to hurt people during a republican meeting in nawlins?
just an unhappy coincidence?
dave come on you want to use obtuse as a defense that this wasnt what it was.
why? why wont you be fair dave?
Posted by: rumcrook¾ at April 17, 2010 06:31 PM (60WiD)
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Why don't you believe the NOPD when they say that they don't yet know what the motive was? Are they being "unfair"?
Posted by: Dave at April 17, 2010 07:28 PM (YhDZE)
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"Why don't you believe the NOPD...?" HAHAHAHAHAHA this IS the New Orleans PD you are talking about eh, Dave?
And please do remind me as to when was the last time you heard/read about a mugging where the bad guys (apparently)stayed around to pound on the victims.
Posted by: emdfl at April 17, 2010 07:57 PM (vwRFo)
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no dave im not.
the police's job is not to surmise or to insert comments that didnt happen.
so its neither here nor there to beleive the cops or not beleive them. its not the issue.
the issue instead becomes common sense and occams razor. what is the simplest reason the events unfolded the way they did, not a water flowing up hill exsplanation which is obtuse and unfair.
the republicans held an event, it was publicized there were protesters some of whom displayed violent tendencies. the restaurant was cased and others who were possible republicans threatened.
the shortest and simplest explanation isnt it was a bad nieghborhood, could have happened to anybody,
it is that it was politically motivated dave.
and you know it.
dave im a fair man most of the time, no one is perfect, but ive never welched on a political bet with my left wing friends whether it was cigars over the loss of an election or 10 bucks, or a bottle of jd.
dave if you feel froggy jump.
if you beleive in your core that this cant possibly be politcally motivated. make me a friendly reasonable symbolic bet.
if im wrong and the culprits are found and they end up being run of the mill turds just out to hurt people, the matter of republicanness never entered thier pea sized brains never admit or can be traced to a political motivation then hell I will pony up and say so on my blog and here on CY's comment threads end of discussion I was wrong.
Posted by: rumcrook¾ at April 17, 2010 08:06 PM (60WiD)
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"Bautsch had her ankle broken".
WRONG! Her leg was broken in 4 places, requiring surgery and metal rods being inserted.
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From a high-res version of Jack A. Neal’s photo of the scene of the April 9 beating of Joe Brown and Allee Bautsch comes this close-up of Allee.
Still think she was smiling on the scene?
Still think so? http://thehayride.com/2010/04/the-brennans-beatdown-piecing-together-a-story/
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Numerous Bigots Photographed At Tea Party Protests
I've written several articles about the Tax Day Tea Party protests this past week for Pajamas Media and PJTV, noting that left wing groups hoping to infiltrate the movement and portray themselves to the media as racist Tea Party protestors largely never materialized.
But that isn't to say there weren't distinct examples of bigotry and hatred on display at some rallies. We've posted pictures of some of these this racists and bigots at Pajamas Media in a post entitled,
'Left' Behind: Tolerance and the Tea Party.
Update: Zombie finds the few spasmodic counter-protesters at the San Francisco Tea Party, doing a very bad job of fitting in... if they were
even trying at all.
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Obama: Let Them Eat Cake
We learned during the 2008 Presidential campaign with his "bitter clingers" comment that Barack Obama's true feelings seep out when his guard is down in front of a friendly crowd.
It came
out again last night at a Democratic Party fundraiser in Miami:
President Barack Obama said Thursday he's amused by the anti-tax tea party protests that have been taking place around Tax Day.
Obama told a fundraiser in Miami that he's cut taxes, contrary to the claims of protesters.
"You would think they'd be saying thank you," he said.
Point One: Obama is lying about cutting taxes. Sure, he's cut a few, but he's raised others, and the massive spending bender he and his allies in Congress have gone on since the 2008 elections mean that a significant increase in taxes is now mandatory... and we aren't even talking about the billions in unfunded liabilities Democrats are tacking on to the federal deficit that will drown future generations.
Point Two: How tone-deaf can a politician be? The very day that hundreds of rallies are held across the nation, with tens of thousands of protesters drowning out the scattered voices of his supporters, he chooses to mock the concerns of growing number of Americans. That goes beyond mere arrogance to outright stupidity.
"You would think they'd be saying thank you."
History will remember that with those sneering words, Barack Obama further alienated the liberal wing of the Democratic Party from Main Street America and converted on-the-fence conservative Democrats and independents into tens of thousands of new Tea Party Patriots.
Thank you, Barack Obama. Every time you utter gems like these, you move us one step closer to restoring this Republic to the principles our Founders held dear.
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"Americans paid a lower share of their national income in taxes in 2009 than at any time since 1950. Thanks to the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, 98 percent of working families got a tax cut this year. The rich, too, have been treated very kindly by the tax code in recent years. The top marginal tax rate on income is fully half of what it was 30 years ago, and the top rate on capital gains is at its lowest point since 1933."
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/04/taxday2010.html
If you have different numbers than those I'd love to see them.
Posted by: Jim at April 16, 2010 09:45 AM (TNxYU)
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I saw Obie-Doll make that comment last night on the news. It was right after they were showing an anti-tea party protest. Like always they made the anti-tea party spokesman look like a brave daring, resourceful,intelligent,and hip person. Then they found the village idiot to speak for the tea party people.
To me the anti-tea party guy looked very much like a 911 'truther' that I saw on a TV special on them a few months ago. In fact I am pretty sure it was him. Why am I not surprised that a 911 'truther' would believe that high taxes are good for us?
Oh... one last thing. The MSM outlet I was watching was also proclaiming that the anti-tea party protests were going on all over the country.
Posted by: Carl at April 16, 2010 09:53 AM (3qHyb)
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I should add something about the poll that just came out showing 62% of us are fine with the amount we pay in taxes, which puts all those thousands of unhappy voices into perspective.
As for the bit about the need for future taxes because of spending, see Reagan, Bush and Bush, I don't recall seeing you make this argument about Reagan tripling the national debt, or Bush funding exactly $0 of two wars and Medicare D and doubled the debt. If you want to be taken seriously you need to be consistent.
Posted by: Jim at April 16, 2010 10:00 AM (TNxYU)
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http://www.newsweek.com/id/236383
"By all estimates, the budget outlook is daunting. The latest projections of the Congressional Budget Office reckon the cumulative deficits under President Obama’s policies to be $12.7 trillion from 2009 to 2020. In 2020 the estimated annual deficit will be $1.25 trillion, or 5.6 percent of the economy (gross domestic product), despite assumed “full employment” of 5 percent. And the deficits get larger with every succeeding year. Given unavoidable uncertainties, these precise projections are likely to prove wrong. But their basic message seems incontestable: there’s a large and growing gap between the government’s promises and the existing tax base.
"How big a tax increase would be needed to close the gap? Well, huge. To put things in perspective, all federal taxes (income, payroll, and excise) averaged 18.1 percent of GDP from 1970 to 2009. Under CBO’s assumptions about Obama’s policies, taxes in 2020 would already be slightly higher, at 19.6 percent of GDP. But on top of that, there’d need to be a further tax boost approaching a third to balance the budget, because spending is projected at 25.2 percent of GDP. Needless to say, this would be the largest tax burden in U.S. history, even including World War II."
I guess what I'm really trying to say is "Thank you, Mr. Obama. Thank you for making it so I'm going to have to pay a metric assload more in taxes so that you and your ever-dwindling number of sheep can live in the nanny state that you've always dreamed America should be."
Because you know damn well he isn't going to stop spending. That right there is just crazy talk.
Posted by: TheGonz at April 16, 2010 10:09 AM (Nq+8a)
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Well, aside from the 4 Trillion or so we spent on wars that have no real purpose, I guess the few billion we spend on economic recovery after the Wall Street bankers trashed it could be considered a waste.
Seriously, at some point deficit hawks are going to have to put forward a real idea about spending, one that addresses the fact that about 85% of all spending is for SS/Medicare/Defense/Debt service; in other words, someone is going to have to kill one of the sacred cows, instead of just braying like a donkey about the Deficit Boogeyman.
Posted by: Liberty60 at April 16, 2010 10:20 AM (79/pj)
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Jim,
I am beginning to realize that you are a student that has very little world experience and likely has never paid a tax.
Yes, the rate of taxes we pay is less. However, the amount is more! That is because in the past we were allowed significant deductions. Those are not present now. Most of the tax reductions are secondary to Bush tax cuts that expire this year. Still we pay too much.
Now as to 62% being fine with what they pay, I am sure they are as 50% of the folks don't pay any tax at all. Those of us that actually work for a living are sick and tired of paying taxes and the spending in Washington. In fact, we are so sick that unless something changes soon, it will be changed in a very dramatic manner.
Obama's message is use a little more KY and bend over more.
Posted by: David at April 16, 2010 10:50 AM (jHK8i)
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Two questions for Jim and his ilk. One is philosophical, the other pragmatic.
1) Is it morally right for someone to take from me the fruits of my labors and use it for his own personal benefit; and, if your answer is yes, is it morally right for someone to use the government as his agent for the same purpose?
2) As I am an independent contractor in the 25% marginal tax bracket, approximately 40% of the next dollar I earn goes to the federal government (25% in income tax and 15.3% in Medicare and Social Security taxes. What do you think that percentage ought to be?
Posted by: Diffus at April 16, 2010 12:03 PM (HmSSN)
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Jim- I think you actually have your numbers backwards, 66% of Americans believe we are overtaxed
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/taxes/april_2010/66_say_america_is_overtaxed
Also, don't forget that the majority of the debt racked up during the G.W. Bush administration was during the last two years due to the Pelosi and the liberal majority in congress. The wars we were/are fighting are a relatively small percentage of that.
Posted by: Sailboffin at April 16, 2010 12:47 PM (FXkSP)
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For anyone to try and make a comparison to what has happened in this last year to anything in US history is insane! We have spend more in one year than in our entire history multiple times over. When are we going to take the off balance sheet Fanni/Freddi mess (what 6.5 trillion) and the rest of the over (with the new healthcare) 27 trillion dollars (and healthcare will be much much larger than the 2 to 3 trillion they are guessing at) on to the 14.5 trillion we have authorized as our national dept. Please look at those numbers again and think what that means.
When you take all of the stimulus away and our GDP normalizes I will be surprised if our real GDP is over 4.5 Trillion and dropping. We can't even begin to pay the interest on this mess at the current interest rate let alone the 5 to 12% it is going to. At this point please just shut up about who caused all of this because it is US and we need to fix it before there are absolutely no options......
P.S. I am sick of the where were you when Bush was in office. We are over a year into this administration - you own it! If not get out of the way and we will find someone that will!
s4f
Posted by: s4f at April 16, 2010 01:25 PM (u0FmQ)
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David,
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I've been paying payroll and income taxes since 1988, payroll taxes beginning in...1982 or 83?
Note that payroll taxes are also...taxes. About 10% of the population pays neither payroll or income taxes, and I sure as hell don't want to trade my life for theirs.
I can play the guessing game as well, let's see, I'm guessing you collect SS and Medicare and that you paid less in taxes this year than last.
Diffus,
Do you drive on public roads? Is your homeland defended by the US Military? Is your home protected by public police and fire services? Do/did you parents and grandparents collect more SS and Medicare benefits than they paid? Your money isn't going to someone else, it's going towards the society you and I benefit from living in. Things we directly, and indirectly need.
What's the magic number? I don't know. What I do know is that the American tax burden has been right around 16-20% of GDP since 1945, it's about 15% this year.
Sailboffin,
The 62% figure is from this poll:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/poll-most-find-their-income-tax-fair/
This one is more interesting though because it's been asking the same question since 1947, Are your taxes too high, about right, or too low.
Mar. 1947 54 40 0
Nov. 1947 63 32 0
Mar. 1948 57 38 1
Mar. 1949 43 53 1
Feb. 1950 57 40 0
Feb. 1951 52 43 1
Feb. 1952 71 26 *
Feb. 1953 59 37 *
Feb. 1956 55 35 1
Apr. 1957 61 31 *
Mar. 1959 51 40 2
Feb. 1961 46 45 1
Feb. 1962 48 45 0
Jun. 1962 63 32 1
Jan. 1963 52 38 1
Feb. 1964 56 35 1
Feb. 1966 52 39 0
Mar. 1967 58 38 1
Mar. 1969 69 25 *
Feb. 1973 65 28 1
Feb. 1976 58 33 1
Feb. 1977 65 28 1
Feb. 1980 68 27 *
Feb. 1982 69 26 *
May 1982 60 32 *
Feb. 1984 63 33 1
Feb. 1985 60 32 *
Jun. 1985 63 32 1
Feb. 1987 59 35 1
Feb. 1988 55 39 1
Feb. 1989 56 37 1
Feb. 1990 59 37 *
Mar. 1990 63 31 2
Feb. 1991 55 39 1
Mar. 1991 55 37 2
Mar. 1992 56 39 2
Feb.-Apr. 55 41 1
Mar. 1993 55 41 2
Jan.-May. 1994 63 33 1
Apr. 1994 56 42 *
Dec. 1994 66 30 1
Feb.-May 1996 65 31 1
Apr. 1996 64 33 1
Mar. 1997 58 38 1
Feb.-Jun. 1998 63 31 1
Apr. 1998 66 31 1
Apr. 1999y 65 29 2
Jul. 1999 60 37 *
Sep. 1999 68 28 1
Feb.-Jun. 2000 64 31 1
Apr. 2000 63 33 1
Apr. 2001 65 31 1
Feb.-Jun. 2002 59 37 1
Jan. 2003 47 50 1
Feb.-Mar. 2003 51 43 3
Apr. 2003 50 46 2
Apr. 2004 50 43 3
Apr. 2005 51 44 2
Oct. 2005 43 48 3
Apr. 2006 48 44 2
Apr. 2007 53 41 2
Apr. 2008 52 42 2
Apr. 2008 55 41 1
Apr. 2009 46 48 3
http://www.aei.org/docLib/AEIPublicOpinionTaxes2010April.pdf
The answer varies poll to poll, somewhere between about 50-50 and 70-30, but, it's been like that since the question has been asked.
Like I said, if you guys had been posting here worried about how you and your kids were going to pay for Bush's Medicare D or Iraq I'd have more faith that you weren't just playing politics with the issue every time a Democrat is in the White House.
"Reagan proved deficits don't matter"
Dick Cheney 2002
Posted by: Jim at April 16, 2010 07:12 PM (TNxYU)
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ike,
Obama's approval ratings are already hitting the 40% level. Bush didn't get that low until he was into the lame duck stage of his second term, if memory serves correctly.
He keeps running off at the mouth and going the way he's going, and the GOP could ride the reanimated corpse of Barry Goldwater to victory in 2012, never mind an actual live, breathing candidate.
Posted by: TheGonz at April 16, 2010 08:54 PM (Nq+8a)
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Jim, its odd how you made sure to list the specific items supported by tax dollars that you did. I don't think anyone would argue that those specific items aren't good/worthy projects. I pay road taxes and I can drive on roads. Taxes pay for the military and the police and they protect all taxpayers. The problem arises when the taxes are simply wealth redistribution projects whereby the payer receives very limited or no benefit. Do we have roads set aside for minorities only? Why do some children go to college basically free based upon superficial qualities, yet I have to pay for my child's education?
Obama and Congress should be treated like teenagers. They get to act like adults as long as they show their ability to stay within reasonable limits. This president and congress effectively have maxed their credit cards and raced dad's Ford. It's time the adults (taxpayers) took their cards and keys.
Posted by: RicardoVerde at April 16, 2010 09:39 PM (1Ap7+)
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Approval ratings are crap, how do you confirm them. The right is going to have their arse handed to them because they have no one to run against Obama who took 52% the last time a poll counted. You can erase my posts it is not going to defeat Obama in 2012.
Posted by: ike at April 16, 2010 09:44 PM (7dpRu)
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RicardoVerde
I mentioned the things that make up the vast bulk of the budget, what you're talking about is just noise on the edges. Everyone is going to have programs at the edges they support, and ones they don't, that's life.
You already know the arguments for things like affirmative action style scholarships, and just as obviously you don't think they're valid, or important. As the same time you know, I'm sure, people who like you pay a lot of taxes and do value those programs. If they didn't have significant support from voters -- who tend to be earners -- they wouldn't exist.
And if your beef is with things like race or income based scholarships, why blame Obama or this Congress? Who are the adults in this scenario exactly???
Posted by: Jim at April 16, 2010 10:10 PM (TNxYU)
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Pish posh Jim. The point was not to discuss specific programs, the point was that few argue when the benefits are basically for all.
The sum total of G.W. Bush's deficits for ALL years were roughly equivalent to Obama's FIRST year. THIS president and THIS congress are breaking several generations piggy banks. The malcompetence is staggering.
I am the adult and I am taking the keys.
Posted by: RicardoVerde at April 16, 2010 10:40 PM (1Ap7+)
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"I am the adult and I am taking the keys."
An apt quote for dealing with the mental adolescent on this board. The naked sense of entitlement is fascinating. Since the adolescents on here failed to answer the question @12:03 I suppose they DO support the Kenyan's brand of gunpoint charity.
Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at April 16, 2010 10:55 PM (Eg9Id)
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Well you're right, when asked about specific programs most anti-tax folks sign off on the big ticket items, and yet they still complain.
Obama's first budget year was 2010, not 2009, just like his last one will be 2013 or 2017. His first year also came smack at the bottom of a huge recession caused in no small part by the policies of the adults you want back in control.
Besides, the big ticket item Obama did add to the budget was the stimulus package, one of those things that did benefit all. And let's just skip the whole argument that the stimulus didn't work, I know that's what the Republicans in Congress keep saying, and then they go home and talk up all the jobs they brought to their districts and states as their part of the stimulus. I can post the link to 30 or so examples if you care to see them.
Posted by: Jim at April 16, 2010 11:06 PM (TNxYU)
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Hi Nine,
Read 7:12PM and get back to me. You're the one who is upset about having to pay for stuff you need.
And spare me the gunpoint crap, the only President I know who collected taxes at gunpoint was George Washington. Please feel free to tell me how George misunderstood the Founder's intent for the role of the Federal government.
Posted by: Jim at April 16, 2010 11:13 PM (TNxYU)
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"caused in no small part by the policies of the adults you want back in control."
Too ignorant to realize that, no, I do not want the late 1990's - mid 2000's breed of politician back in control.
"if you guys had been posting here worried about how you and your kids were going to pay for Bush's Medicare D or Iraq"
Attempt to stifle debate with illogical premise. If you support spending for the war then you cannot criticize the Magic Negro's budget allocations.
Too stupid to realize that you can criticize the Magic Negro and be opposed to the Iraq war, which I am.
"one of those things that did benefit all."
Lie
"the only President I know who collected taxes at gunpoint was George Washington."
Lie
"Please feel free to tell me how George misunderstood the Founder's intent for the role of the Federal government."
Strawman, plus false appeal to popularity of historical figure. Deliberately conflates desire for limited government with desire to pay no tax.
Wow - blasphemy against the Anointed One sure doesn't do much for proggies' minds -
Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at April 16, 2010 11:24 PM (Eg9Id)
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"Lie" isn't much of a rebuttal.
Here are 114 Republican Congressmen talking about the benefits to their constituents from the stimulus.
http://thinkprogress.org/touting-recovery-opposed/
Whiskey Rebellion, look it up.
I'm not saying you can't support the wars and criticize the President, I'm saying you can't be silent for years about not paying for the wars and then pretend you care about deficits.
And yeah, I have no idea who you personally want in power, nor do I care. We have a two party system, that's reality, if you want to dream about another reality go ahead. Throw in some unicorns while you're at it.
Posted by: Jim at April 16, 2010 11:33 PM (TNxYU)
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""Lie" isn't much of a rebuttal."
Lie.
"And yeah, I have no idea who you personally want in power, nor do I care."
Hence the wailing about blasphemy against his beloved Affirmative-Action jeebus.
"I'm saying you can't be silent for years about not paying for the wars and then pretend you care about deficits."
Fixation on controlling discourse. Wonder where he got that trait from.
"Here are 114 Republican Congressmen talking about the benefits to their constituents from the stimulus."
Yet again, the stupid assumption that I'll fall in line so long as the slime in Washington have "R"'s next to their names. How quaint. Also contradicts claim not to know or care who I want in power.
Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at April 16, 2010 11:48 PM (Eg9Id)
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Nine,
You do realize when I said "the adults you want.." I was specifically replying to Ricardo, right? I mean you're not insane enough to think every time someone says "you" in a post they are talking about Nine-of-Diamonds, right?
Oh, sorry, too many words, let me craft a response just for you:
Truth.
Posted by: Jim at April 16, 2010 11:54 PM (TNxYU)
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http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=175861
48 out of 50 states have lost jobs since the Stimulus Package passed. Only Alaska, North Dakota, and the District of Columbia have seen job growth.
California, according to the projections that the stimulus people did when they were fabricating this whole thing, was supposed to have a net GAIN of 396,000 jobs by the end of December 2010. As of January 2010, they have posted a LOSS of 558,800 jobs.
So please, ike, enlighten me. . .
How, in the next 10 or 11 months, is California going to come up with 954,800 jobs to match up with the promised projections from the stimulus folks? Hell, how are they going to come up with 558,800 jobs so they can get back to where they were before the totally awesome, wonderful stimulus package kicked in? And that's just one example. . .there are other states that are every bit as screwed here as California is.
Yeah, you're right. . .I don't see it happening, either.
Posted by: TheGonz at April 16, 2010 11:59 PM (Nq+8a)
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"Oh, sorry, too many words"
Nope. The more the better...
Serial liar who commits logical fallacies, is unintelligent, & can't answer direct questions? I wonder if anyone's ever seen Jimboid & the Majick Negroid in the same place at the same time.

Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at April 17, 2010 12:02 AM (Eg9Id)
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Gonz,
Do you think the job numbers would have been better without the stimulus? I don't.
Posted by: Jim at April 17, 2010 12:03 AM (TNxYU)
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TheGonz, you obviously haven't caught on to Affirmative Action Boy's new "jobs saved or created" metric. Thanks to his decisive action, maybe Amerikkka was saved from certain 100% unemployment. And if we "stimulate" the economy hard enough, maybe we'll all start crying tears of gold and puking out unicorns. You can't prove we WON'T, can you?
Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at April 17, 2010 12:09 AM (Eg9Id)
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"Do you think the job numbers would have been better without the stimulus? I don't."
Of course not. Praise Affirmative Action Jeebus, and Glory Be. The oceans ain't risin' no mo, so a little benefit like the booming economy is hardly anything to get excited over. Divine powers, don'tcha know.
Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at April 17, 2010 12:12 AM (Eg9Id)
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Jim,
http://michaelscomments.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/unemployment-projection-march-2010.gif
Why, yes. . .yes I do think that things would have been better without the stimulus. According to the projections of Obama's own people, it would have been.
But hey. . .paying back political favors isn't something one can do for free now, is it?
Posted by: TheGonz at April 17, 2010 07:40 AM (Nq+8a)
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Jim, take a basic civics course. Presidents don't spend one dime. Congress (controlled by Copperheads since 2006) writes the budgets. Also, see this little chart, which shows clearly that the deficits were shrinking under Bush UNTIL Copperheads got the Congress.
Posted by: SDN at April 17, 2010 10:15 AM (S78cq)
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I'm probably going to get jumped, but I'm going to speak honestly about this subject.
Social security is bankrupting us, medicare is bankrupting us, Obamacare is going to speed this up...and the costs of the Military also adding to the bankruptcy.
I'm not saying to cut the whole damn military budget, I'm just saying it needs to be trimmed down. Meanwhile, SS, Medicare, and Obamacare need to be thrown completely out, along with all those cushy pointless bureaucratic government jobs that pay WAAAAAYYYYY too well for that skill level.
In all honesty, the military really is a HUGE budget item. If you disagree, you are lying to yourself. We could still have the best military in the world and spend quite a bit less. Not only that, but we still have the manufacturing, technology, and infrastructure to ramp up production of war materials if a huge conflict is imminent or already starting.
Basically, after we slaughter all the left's sacred spending cows, it might not be a bad idea to cut military spending to the point where we are still the most powerful nation, but not quite the military juggernaut of planet Earth. If we did all those things, there would be very few taxes and the government would still be running a surplus. Our nation would be much safer financially, and just as safe militarily.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 17, 2010 01:04 PM (uVv+L)
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Gonz,
So despite all the Republicans talking up the jobs created and saved in their districts due to the stimulus -- Obama was paying back political favors to the opposition party??? -- you think the stimulus didn't have a positive impact upon employment because a projection of how bad the recession would be that was made in late 2008 was too optimistic. A projection vs the on the ground reality. No doubt you're comforted by the projections of reductions to the deficit and to health care costs made by those same Obama people. ha ha
SDN,
The costs of Iraq and Medicare D weren't going to show up in the deficit before the money was being spent. Medicare D was passed in Jan 2005, crap hit the fan in Iraq in 2005-06. The Surge was 2007. None of that money was spent because of a Democratic Congress, are you seriously trying to claim that the Surge and Medicare D were Democratic proposals that Bush was against?
Where were the Taxed Enough Already people in 2004-2008? Taxes were higher. 100% of the costs of Medicare D and Iraq were unfunded. Where were you guys?
Posted by: Jim at April 17, 2010 04:11 PM (TNxYU)
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Bravo Jim,
When you have them screaming "lie" at the truth of the Whiskey Rebellion and resorting to racist Magic Negroid attacks, they've been exposed. you show far more patience with them than do I.
Posted by: ChrisJ at April 17, 2010 04:39 PM (jsQWZ)
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Wow; less than 50 posts in and the usual suspects have to resort to 0bama opponents are "Waysist". Say it with me: MAGIC NEGRO. Oddly enough, this term was coined by Leftist David Ehrenstein (sp) - not a conservative.
"Where were the Taxed Enough Already people in 2004-2008?"
Once again, tries to dictate when people can and cannot protest the government. How progressive!
And he's too stupid to understand that:
1) the inflation 0bammy's going to create is itself is akin to a tax, and
2) it is devastating to the economy for a gov't to have large unfunded future liabilities, even if you haven't yet levied the taxes to pay for them.
Not to worry - their little Affirmative Action idol will sprinkle the fairy dust & make it all go away.
Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at April 17, 2010 05:10 PM (Eg9Id)
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Hey Nine
1) It doesn't matter WHO coined a racist term. It's still racist when you repeat it. You're a racist, plain and simple.
2) No one is saying when you can and cannot protest, but it's interesting that you weren't out there when Bush was giving massive handouts to the top 2% (which I assume you're not in), ran up massive unfunded liabilities (paying off two wars which he ran off the books and left us holding the bill on, Medicare part D, etc...) and disabling the Constitution by gathering massive executive power (via Cheney) and with assaults on due process and posse comitatus.
You can certainly protest whenever you feel like it, but it just looks funny when #44 gets federal taxes to their lowest level in 50 years with a tax cut for 95% of working Americans and you protest him, when you didn't go after the guy who ran up the bill, padded the accounts of Goldman Sachs and then let them raid the economy.
Might it be that you only like tax cuts when it's a white President giving you them? By your Obammy the Magic Negro comments, I'm willing to bet that's the case.
You are a racist, and everything you say is being viewed through that lens. Stop the race baiting and maybe more people will take you seriously. Until then, hike up your Klan robe, it's dragging in the mud.
How sad.
Posted by: ChrisJ at April 18, 2010 05:47 PM (jsQWZ)
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Well now, let's see...recent polls indicate the Tea Party movement has the support of about 25% of the public. That's around 75 million Americans, americans who, according to the polls are wealthier and better educated than average (ie: people who vote and have long memories), and who, again, according to the polls, encompass a substantial portion of independents and not an insignificant portion of democrats.
A rational politician would rather advocate torturing small, furry animals as a spectator sport than taking on such a potent political force. Of course, if you are a god, as the media has often claimed, such pedestrian political concerns obviously don't apply to you and you're free to spit into the political wind as often as you like. After all, who can stand against your magnificence and pristine power?
As the ancient Greeks often said, hubris (excessive pride) will incur the wrath of the gods every time, and the higher and mightier the miscreant exhibiting such hubris, the harder the fall.
Posted by: mikemcdaniel at April 18, 2010 07:17 PM (qjRSd)
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"Until then, hike up your Klan robe, it's dragging in the mud."
Waysist! Waysist! Waysist!
Sorry - Bobby Byrd got ahold of that robe before I could - lol.
"(paying off two wars which he ran off the books and left us holding the bill on"
reading comprehension fail! Too dumb to actually read prior comments & find out I'm opposed to the wars.
Now go starch Senator Byrd's linens before he puts a boot in your rear, boy! It's so hard to get good hired help these days...
Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at April 19, 2010 12:38 PM (Eg9Id)
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It's racist when Byrd did it and it's racist when you do it.
My point is not the war spending, but the lack of opposition to the fiscal mismanagement of the Bush years. But he was white, so all is forgiven.
Posted by: ChrisJ at April 19, 2010 03:40 PM (jsQWZ)
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"My point"
False. Making "points" is beyond your capability, laundry boy.
Aside from wailing about blasphemy against your Affirmative Action idol and supporting commeters who make off-the wall claims (do you really want to postulate that George Washington's was the only administration to use coercive power to tax?), you just haven't really done too much in the way of making points.
My mistake - logic is "racis'" and "be keepin' you down".
Screeching about how everyone else is "racis'" just ain't gonna cut it no' mo. Been there, done that, got the commemorative Bill Ayers t-shirt.
Now get back to work on Mr. Byrd's sheets, boy. Two cups of detergent-not one.
Oh, and you know you want to say it:
MAGIC KNEE - GROW!
Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at April 19, 2010 05:01 PM (Eg9Id)
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April 15, 2010
Too Bad We're Not Building New Garbage Scows
Politicians—more than likely led by Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi— have pressured the Navy into naming a new San Antonio-class amphibious ship after ex-Marine and Democratic pork champion John Murtha.
Once put to sea, the
Murtha, a amphibious transport dock (LPD), will take part in landing Marines on hostile shores before then retreating to a safe distance to call a press conference to accuse them of intentionally killing women and children in cold blood.
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No, it'll only be allowed to transport troops to Okinawa...
Posted by: Stoutcat at April 15, 2010 12:59 PM (8LmGF)
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Better yet - sink it off shore to Okinawa to
help build an eco-friendly reef so that Okinawa doesn't flip over from all the top heavy weight.........
Posted by: mixitup at April 15, 2010 01:41 PM (wp3PF)
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Tell me this is a joke...a ship named the Murtha? you know what her nickname is going to be already, right?
Starts with an M and rhymes with Brother Tucker.
What a sick joke...Murtha was the only person I know who could rightfully claim the title Ex Marine...
Semper FUBAR.
Posted by: kalashnikat at April 15, 2010 07:17 PM (TU1Od)
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Wait until they want to name a carrier after Ted Kennedy...oh wait they'd actually have to build a new one first.
Posted by: Scott at April 16, 2010 05:16 AM (EBCRo)
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Scott, you would have to name a sub for Kennedy... it also looks like a whale.
Posted by: SDN at April 16, 2010 06:45 AM (S78cq)
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I've been pissed for *years* about Congress imposing their own names on Navy ships- carriers after Vinson and Stennis, for example- and making a total hash out of the system of class nomenclature; but this is just a sick, sick joke. Naming an amphib- a Marine hauler- after one of the few *EX*- Marines in the country, a slimeball who disgraced himself and betrayed his brothers?
I want to puke.
Posted by: Bohemond at April 16, 2010 09:24 AM (d62gZ)
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They're going to have a lot of problem with deck corrosion on the USS Murtha--Marines peeing all over the deck, all the time.
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Boston Leftists Just Not That Sharp
Some hipsters tried to heed Scott Levin's cry to "crash the tea party" yesterday in Boston.
Their efforts were, well,
see for yourself.
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CrashTheTeaParty.Org Founder's Twitter Page Goes Dark
Jason Levin's twitter account, http://twitter.com/xenex11/ no longer exists.
I wonder why.
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Now if only his FB account would go away - though I admit it is kinda fun going in there to poke the bear.
Posted by: Dan Irving at April 15, 2010 09:38 AM (zw8QA)
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Tea Party Crashers With A Sense of Humor
I suspect that as coverage unfolds throughout the day that we're going to discover that the bulk of individuals and groups trying to "crash" Tea Party protests are going to be young and surly and obviously out of their element, but at least one group at the Washington, DC Tea Party yesterday last year had a great sense of humor... and a nice flair for the dramatic.
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Reminder: Expose The Party Crashers
If you attend one of today's Tax Day Tea Party protests and run across those looking to malign the movement, capture them in photos or video and send it to tpcrashers@pjtv.com.
More on how to do that (and constructive advice how to interact with those involved) at
Pajamas Media.
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Another Lie Bites The Dust
That members of the Congressional Black Caucus lied about the use of racist language during their walk through a crowd of Tea Party protestors prior to the Obamacare vote is all but certain. Only the handful of black Congressmen—who took an unusual path to Congress through the crowd in a thinly-disguised attempt to provoke a response—claim that "n*gger" was screamed at them.
Dozens of videos were shot that day, at the time and location where the delegation trolled through the crowd. No one took the bait. The Caucus' own camcorder-toting underlings could not capture one slur. Men once championed as civil rights icons for standing against racism against blacks were revealed as cynical bigots who will use race as a weapon for the cheapest of political stunts.
Recently, so have tried to reignite the lie, claiming that Democratic Rep Heath Shuler (NC) walked with the Caucus and heard the imagined slurs.
That has now been debunked as well.
But he wasn't there. He was near Barney Frank, and did hear already documented slur uttered at his expense (though somehow missed the alleged f-bomb the foul-mouthed Frank uttered to elicit that response).
Heath Shuler was nowhere near the race-baiting liars of the Congressional Black Caucus when they slandered thousands.
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I'd like to know what my so-called Blue Dog Congressman is doing hanging out with the likes of Barney Frank? Not because he is a homosexual, none of my business, but rather is a fascist leaning statist. It is looking pretty obvious that Shuler's vote simply wasn't needed, otherwise, he would have stepped up and voted for it. His district leans right. Or am I applying guilt by association? I don't care. Any sensible centrist isn't walking through that crowd and certainly not in the vicinity of Barney Frank. That walk of shame was for cynical purposes whether they be to illicit a negative response or gloat, it was wrong and the fact that Shuler was there regardless of who may have been intentionally or unintentionally near him is moot.
Posted by: Scott Pierce at April 15, 2010 09:50 AM (zaeg9)
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Stupak was considered a "Blue Dog" and he has a lifetime ACU rating of around 20, which tends to emphasize the point that the entire label is a put up job by the left to make them seem more palatable to moderates.
Posted by: ECM at April 15, 2010 02:16 PM (nYKDd)
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Let's not forget that Shuler resorted to bald-faced lies in his opposition to the FairTax.
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Marine Closes "Armed Forces Tea Party Patriots" Page After Controversy Erupts
When you join the military you agree to abide by the rules and regulations noted in your enlistment contract. While I am aware of regulations that prevent service members from certain kinds of advocacy, I wasn't aware it was meant to go this far:
A Camp Pendleton Marine has removed his Facebook page after his comments fueled a free-speech debate about whether troops are allowed to criticize President Barack Obama's policies while serving in the military.
Sgt. Gary Stein said he was asked by his superiors to review the Pentagon's directive on political activities after he criticized Obama's health care reform efforts and then was asked this week to talk about his views on the MSNBC cable TV channel.
Stein said his supervisor told him of his right to an attorney about the matter. He said he decided to close his Facebook page and review his military code obligations. He also contacted private attorneys who told him he had done nothing wrong.
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Camp Pendleton spokeswoman Maj. Gabrielle Chapin said the Marine Corps is not considering filing charges and simply wanted him to be aware of the rules so he did not break them.
The Pentagon's directive states that military personnel are not allowed to write anything to solicit votes for a political cause, sponsor a political club or speak before any gathering that promotes a political movement.
I don't know the regs. Did this Marine cross the line, or not?
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Nope. . .he did absolutely nothing wrong. Being in the military doesn't mean you have to kiss the President's ass at every turn.
He didn't solicit votes for a cause, he didn't sponsor a political club, and he didn't speak before any sort of political organization.
The sergeant in question is a person that has the right to free speech like everyone else. If people have issue with that, well, too damn bad for them.
Posted by: TheGonz at April 14, 2010 09:18 PM (Nq+8a)
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I think not. As long as he spoke respectfully about the disrespectable cretin in the White House, he was fine. After all, he was talking about an issue of domestic policy, not questioning military policy.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at April 14, 2010 09:37 PM (SOUZG)
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Hate to disagree with some people, however while I was active duty Navy I was on both side of this.
Speaking as Gary Stein, he can say anything he cares to say as long as he avoids legally actionable actions (ie libel or slander).
BUT (big but),
Speaking as Marine Sargent Gary Stein he now falls under the UCMJ and DoD Directives. Those private attorneys are correct civilly but very wrong as far as the military rules go.
It's not that different as a civilian, what you say as Joe Schmoe and can get away with, as Joe Schmoe employee of XYZ Corp, what you say can get you fired. Yes your employer can fire you. If you sue them for it you will lose. Seen it happen.
If you are Blogging and looking for work without luck... Yes, employers do check these things.
Posted by: Wildman7316 at April 14, 2010 11:20 PM (PH7Gz)
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I beg to differ.
You as a marine would be not allowed to present; in the judgement of your commanding officer, anything that may be determined to be derogatory or may lead to negative actions, except in obeyance with lawful orders given. You may offer up suggestions in accordance with the UCMJ and are expected to do so. That goes all the way up and down the chain. The President is the commander in chief and as such represents GOD in all matters concerning ones life as the individual signed it away in contract.
So no, the Marine has no buisness sticking his nose in politics until his shtick in the military is done. His duty is to obey all lawful orders even if it means giving his life for it.
Posted by: Ron at April 15, 2010 12:37 AM (0jMkI)
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Tough to say without actually seeing the Facebook page. How he presented himself (as a Marine vs a regular Joe Shmoe...etc). Even Marines have the right to speak their minds, bound by the restrictions in the UCMJ and DOD Directives that they agreed to. Generally speaking, most of us gave up many of our Constitutionally guaranteed rights when we joined. Personally, I think he did nothing wrong. If he had, charges would have been filed.
Posted by: Jim at April 15, 2010 05:43 AM (YTe8V)
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Ron,
So, basically, you would expect members of the military to simply abandon all personal thought and become complete automatons as soon as they sign an enlistment contract?
Can I assume you'd also be against the right of the men and women of the United States military to vote in elections on the national level? After all. . .wouldn't a vote against the incumbent President be a form of speaking out against their boss and, by extension, the policies of that boss?
Sorry. . .the men and women of the United States Armed Forces aren't robots. We get to have our own opinions and speak our own minds just like you or anybody else.
Posted by: TheGonz at April 15, 2010 06:34 AM (GHyUE)
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INAL, so it's hard to say for sure, but I'm guessing he was running pretty close to the edge, and his superiors gave him the verbal "heads up" to let him know that. Going on TV probably would have put him over the line.
Posted by: MikeM at April 15, 2010 06:38 AM (n8jTy)
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As a rough rule, when you enter the military, your PUBLIC expression of your POLITICAL views is pretty much limited to the ballot and contributions boxes. That is not to say you must remain silent in all case, but you must be careful not to cross a somewhat changing and unclear line. General and Flag officers have been sacked, and rightly so, for forgetting that fact. Of course, once you retire, you can speak out as clearly as you wish. Unlike many countries, we have a tradition in which the military is absolutely subservient to the civilian government, and not a political power in its own right. As a 20+ year veteran, and staunch conservative, I would not have it any other way. There is, after all, a reason why officers swear loyalty to the Constitution, and not the Command in Chief.
Posted by: Tregonsee at April 15, 2010 07:55 AM (NxicM)
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My take is dated, I was in service circa 1965. But at that time, the restiction
did not apply if you acted as an individual: you could not be wearing the uniform, or state your rank, or indeed mention that you were currently serving. But you were able to express yourself as a person. Write letters to news editors, contribute to political orgs, etc.
Posted by: John A at April 15, 2010 09:39 AM (LEb+F)
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As I have not seen his page before it was closed, I can provide the following: I, Ben Murphy, can say and do what the heck ever I please as long as it is only as Ben Murphy with no connection verbally & visibly to the military. If I, SFC Murphy, say and do what the heck ever I please and show a connection that could possibly be interpreted to be part of the military; then I should be hemmed up in accordance with our policies. I completely agree with this. I believe I VOTE everytime I put on the uniform; deploy in support of our Civilian leaders policies; fight wild-fires in the Mid-West; and anytime I talk with young men and women, who are thinking about joining. When I retire, I will be happy to verbally, publicly lambast whatever policies and members of the government that I want to lambast. So, if no charges have been filed against the good Marine, then it sounds like his superiors looked at the page and gave him a word to the wise that he should think about the views and how they could be seen as a Marine Corps point of view and not his own.
"'"Marines take care of Marines," Chapin wrote in an e-mail. "Sergeant Stein's supervisor was concerned that his activities could give the appearance or impression that the Marine Corps is endorsing the group and its messages.'"
I see nothing wrong with his superiors actions.
Posted by: H2OBRDR at April 15, 2010 10:50 AM (THLN4)
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It's all a matter of context. Military personnel speaking against Bush are speaking Truth to Power and are true patriots. Military personnel speaking against Obama are racist right wing thugs.
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at April 15, 2010 01:29 PM (j7Qdp)
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@ the Gonz. No of course people don't shut down their thinking. Remember it is all contingent upon lawful orders. The marine involved is in obedience with the UCMJ at this time.
He apparently did not think his actions were of a questionable nature but when confronted with them by his supervisor is deleting them.
Again you have to remember that a military man must completely obey orders or face the consequences. That is the law. You wouldn't want your men questioning your tactics with bullets flying around you, at the same time you want them to tell you if you missed something. It is all about the mission.
Also when you enlist in active duty Uncle Sam owns you 24/7. No real off duty time there.
The only thing I ever worried about when I was in the military was were the orders lawful. They all were.
Posted by: ron at April 15, 2010 02:45 PM (mV3sI)
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When I served (1988-92), we were told that we could not make public statements while in uniform. I suspect that there wouldn't have been a problem if this Marine had had nothing on his page identifying him as a Marine. The DoD will not allow anything that might be construed as speaking on behalf of DoD, even if you clearly aren't.
Posted by: Tennessee Budd at April 16, 2010 12:20 PM (UYim3)
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If he just posted on Facebook as Gary Stein of Somewhere, Somestate. The fact that we KNOw he is Sgt. Stein is where the beginning of a potential problem.
He can speak for himself as a citizen, but putting the Sgt. in front of his name and US Marine at the end implies he might be speaking for someone else and that is not allowed.
I see no problem here.
Posted by: ChrisJ at April 17, 2010 04:47 PM (jsQWZ)
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Probably not. He probably did not cross the line. He should feel fortunate that he has good supervisors to look after him; by pointing out the regulations and offering the suggestion of getting a lawyer, the supervisor expressed concern that serviceman was perhaps close to doing something against regulation. No big deal, unless you're hell bent on finding socialist conspiracy in every action that you disagree with.
Posted by: Steve Schwab at April 18, 2010 08:31 AM (7kc3N)
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Match Game?
As we discussed some last night, Bobby Jindal's campaign finance director Allee Bautsch and her boyfriend Joe Brown were hospitalized after they were assaulted Friday night after leaving a fundraiser at Brennan's Restaurant in the French Quarter.
There are at least two very similar descriptions of the primary assailant.
NOLA
notes:
...in his 20s, looked "dirty," and wore his hair in an auburn-colored ponytail. The man was 6 feet, 1 inch tall with a thin build, police said. He wore a light-colored T-shirt and dark pants.
WWLTV
says:
...a white man who appeared to be dirty, in his 20s, about six feet tall with a thick build and thin face. He had a beard and auburn-colored hair in a pony tail
As it so happens, a parade of protesters on their way to harrass the SLRC and Jindal's fundraiser at Brennan's were caught on camera and posted in a
series of videos on YouTube.
One video in particular, titled "
SRLC Protest 9 April 2010 - Onward to Brennan's" captured a brief shot of a young man who comes close to matching those general descriptions at the 1:40 mark on the video.
I caution that this is by no means a smoking gun proving that this is the man who assaulted the couple (he can be seen walking with a child at the 2:00 mark of
this video). Odds are that he is not related to the attack, but I hope that the New Orleans Police are showing this and similar videos captured around Brennan's that evening to Bautsch and Brown so that they either identify or rule out assailants that may have been caught on film.
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That's why we should quit watching and reading what I call the propaganda media. They are failing now because of this. The more we go to them, the longer they will last. I didn't even listen to Fox until Obama told me not to. Since then it is the ONLY one I watch. I want to get on Obama's hit list. I could use the money.
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