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August 06, 2010
Remembering Omar Thorton, Thief, Murderer, and Would-be Media Victim
I'm still waiting for The Won to declare that Omar Thorton "acted stupidly" in going on a racist shooting spree after being caught on tape as a thief and fired, but you know that isn't going to happen. Not even after the murderer called 911 and confessed before killing himself.
Omar Thornton, 34, called 911 after shooting 10 co-workers -- eight fatally -- on Tuesday morning at Hartford Distributors. He introduced himself as "the shooter over in Manchester" and said he was hiding in the building, but would not say where.
"You probably want to know the reason why I shot this place up," he said, his voice steady. "This place is a racist place. They treat me bad over here. They treat all the black employees bad over here, too.
"So I took into my own hands and handled the problem," he said. "I wish I could have got more of the people."
Omar Thorton, Facebook fan of Barack Obama, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, beer theft and racism, is dead, but only after murdering eight others who weren't thieves.
The media wants to bend to his family's wishes to brand him a victim. No. Omar Thorton was a thief. Omar Thorton was a murder. Racism? A thug's petty excuse for mass murder.
Omar Thorton is going to rot in Hell.
I wonder how long it will be before the left puts him on a tee shirt.
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interesting that all the mass murderers over the last year have been democrats and outright obama supporters...
real interesting huh pam?
Posted by: rumcrook¾ at August 06, 2010 09:57 AM (60WiD)
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Any word on any "Allahu Akbar" shoutings with this.
It means the difference between "having sex with 72 virgins" or "having sex with Hitler."
I think it's the latter for this "nut job."
Posted by: Neo at August 06, 2010 12:07 PM (tE8FB)
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Omar Thorton for president!
Oh, wait...
Posted by: Walt at August 06, 2010 12:18 PM (ugP/w)
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I do not approve of his rampage at all. But he handled it the wrong way. If there was indeed racism and mistreatment going on, why didn't he contact African-American leaders or the local civil rights office? The media?
Posted by: Vivek Golikeri at August 06, 2010 12:22 PM (/mIfy)
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I'm waiting for the Community Organizer in Chief to state "I don't have the facts, but the victims acted stupidly."
You know, what with being racists and all. According to the guy who murdered them. So they go to their grave with this smear, perpetrated by the killer's family.
Glad we live in post racial America.
And Vivek, I bet twenty bucks there was no racial harrassment. The claims are probably invented, as has been the case in nearly every high profile claim of racial intimidation the past decade. No, longer - look up Tawana Brawley. In any event I'm sure not taking the murderer's word for it.
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at August 06, 2010 01:23 PM (ew7v4)
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I don't think it's necessary to impugn the killer's reality in regard to the perceived racial harassment. Even if he was harassed, this does not give him the right to vigilante justice by becoming judge, jury and executioner, over a case of verbal assault.
If school children took this tact, we would have bullies gunned down. Our own President and Congress would be at risk, with any number of Wall Street firms putting out contracts with the unemployed.
Posted by: Neo at August 06, 2010 01:41 PM (tE8FB)
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He also owed $2,500 in student loans, according to public records.That explains it all.
Posted by: Neo at August 06, 2010 02:26 PM (tE8FB)
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That POS is nothing but a monster who killed 8 innocent people!! So glad he now will ROT in hell forever!!
Posted by: dee1224 at August 10, 2010 10:23 AM (eXdIs)
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Look, in no way should he have done this, but white people invented this way of handling problems. i'm quite sure he suffered racism but this was no way to handle it. so b4 you all go off on the democrats and blaming the president, maybe look at it for what it is. sometimes you reap what you sew. maybe they will think twice about harrassing the next non white person.
Posted by: k j barber at August 10, 2010 10:34 PM (BBe5G)
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Yeah, those racist security cameras are trained to turn themselves off when they see white folk stealing inventory. It's amazing what they can do with modern technology!!
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August 05, 2010
Pre-Revolutionary
I was surfing by Ace's place and caught this extraordinary bit of video of Democrat Pat Caddell discussing the fracturing of his party, among far more ominous rumblings. Watch it all the way through. I'll wait.
Ace's reaction is dead on, as is Caddell's.
The Democratic Party has fractured (past tense), and the elitist extremists in the Democratic leadership are
giddy at the thought of purging themselves of moderate Democrats. Waxman's admission is the symptom of a larger disease, an arrogant ruling class mentality that neither respects the will of the American people, nor the separation of powers, nor the Constitution.
Says Caddell:
The Democratic Party has essentially been hijacked by an educated—over-educated—elite group, who basically don't care about the people who constitute the Democratic Party...
[snip]
It's a much graver constitutional crisis. They believe we have a situation where 21% of the people believe that the government is operating with the consent of the governed, from the Declaration of Independence. 21. 68% say no. 57% of the people in a CNN poll a few months ago said they believe that the federal government is becoming a direct and immediate threat to their own freedom. Now, I'm telling you that is pre-revolutionary.
And in democratic—and what is happening is this sense of pushing people—'we're going to shove this down your throat, we're going to shove this, we know better for you,' the issue is very simple: who is sovereign in the country, the people, or the political class?
It is quite obvious that the elites believe that they are the sovereign powers and the arbiters of our fates. It is just as certain that they feel entitled to that power, are intent on keeping that power, and have shelved the Constitution in favor of making this a nation of men, not a nation of law. The have illusions of keeping that power to themselves, and have put only the thinnest of veneers over their attempt to create a nation where the people serve the ruling class.
Even more shocking? The don't seem to care and don't even try to hide their disdain for the people, the culture, or our shared history.
Ace vents:
When it was just a policy debate, it was intellectual.
But now they've gone and made it personal.
That was a mistake. Because you can sell people down the river if you can keep them asleep while you do it.
When you rouse them...? When you alert them...? When you incense them...?
Tougher.
And it's not just personal, but fundamental: Who decides in America? The people, as the books claim? Or the elite, as common practice seems to have it?
And so the rage.
And soon the fire.
What astounds me about our would be rulers is the utter contempt with which they hold their constituents. They act as if their power grab is complete and they don't even need to pay lip service to respecting the law or the people.
This will go badly for all concerned. It remains to be seen if it will go violently.
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Great analysis. Final sentence too pessimistic, however. It's already going so badly for the elites, it will be over before it's over (I think maybe that's a Yogi Berra quote).
http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
"Because the Only Good Progressive is a Failed Progressive"
Posted by: LibertyAtStake at August 05, 2010 09:15 PM (PmNi0)
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who is sovereign in the country, the people, or the political class?
The judges!
Posted by: Walker at August 05, 2010 09:39 PM (hZw2A)
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The Democratic Party has fractured (past tense), and the elitist extremists in the Democratic leadership are giddy at the thought of purging themselves of moderate Democrats.
Sadly, one can substitute Republican(s) for Democratic/Democrats and nod along with the beat. It cuts two ways. The GOP didn't get whacked in '06 and '08 for pleasing a majority of the electorate. The "political class" is playing us between two extremes, but they're still a separate class regardless of party.
Posted by: Tully at August 05, 2010 10:08 PM (A9IXO)
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Tully:
That's why it's *our* job to make damn sure we hold their feet to the fire for the next 2 years, minimum, and they start rolling back much of the damage that's been done.
Posted by: ECM at August 05, 2010 11:55 PM (nYKDd)
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I do not trust either party anymore. Republican congresses have over spent, not the nation destroying degree of this 114th Congress, but that is hardly a recommendation for their fiscal restraint.
Someone needs to cowboy up and just admit, the Government can not be the solution to your problems if you want the freedom to ask questions of it. I am really coming to resent those that depend on government goodies can vote themselves more goodies.
Posted by: MunDane68 at August 06, 2010 09:26 AM (dlS06)
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Violently? Not quite yet. One of our national virtues--some might call it a weakness--is that because of our enduring faith in the American system of democracy, we are willing to accept a great deal of usurpation before resorting to force to retain that system, just as we are commonly willing to accept a great deal of provocation before going to war.
But what's happening now is unprecedented. A ruling elite is, without bothering to cover their intentions, is doing their best to destroy that democratic system. While violence is not inevitable, there is surely a line which, once crossed by narcissistic, self-important elitists, will lead to the kind of violence that will ensure the permanent removal of enough of that class to restore liberty. The important question should not be whether violence is possible, but what will be the final trigger.
A Republican assumption of sufficient legislative power in November, assuming sufficient Republicans really do understand that they are the servants of the people and not their masters (are republicans truly so stupid, so corrupt that they don't understand that they too are in the public's crosshair, so to speak?), may turn the clock back a few hours. The election of a true conservative leader who is focused on restoring proper constitutional boundaries in 2012 would also turn the clock back a few hours, but unless and until those events occur, America is on the path to revolutionary upheaval.
Posted by: mikemcdaniel at August 06, 2010 10:26 AM (AL1KP)
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meanwhile, in other news, sales of ammunition and firearms continue to set records throughout the country.....
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 06, 2010 02:04 PM (d1FhN)
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I don't think the voting process will work. The spark to violence will occur when people begin to realize that their savings and money are not there.
Posted by: David at August 06, 2010 05:07 PM (OznaX)
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Best headline ever? Yes. Yes it is.
Posted by: Kevin at August 07, 2010 01:49 AM (GKXDW)
Posted by: dad29 at August 07, 2010 09:02 PM (3PS1w)
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AT the local gun show here, the classes for the concealed-carry license were full all day.
Posted by: emdfl at August 07, 2010 10:02 PM (aIOap)
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Violenct resoluton/revolution? I didn't think we could talk about it in the PC world of today. If we don't talk about it, surely it couldn't ever happen, however, the sides are being drawn as we speak. Is it to be a "French Revolution" or an American Revolution II? As the foment continues to build towards the rulling class and the largess taken from us for the government employees, it could very well become a "French" style revolution. With the current group, aiming right at the heart of the citizens and their rights, it could be Part II. The trigger has yet to be known but it will be a defining trigger that ultimately determines French or American II.
Posted by: Steve Fisher at August 09, 2010 01:19 PM (VlpEo)
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Steve Fisher, good post and I agree. We don't want the FRENCH one (or, God forbid the RUSSIAN one). If there has to be one, it would have to be American, or the Republic will be lost either way (revolution v. no revolution).
mikemcdaniel is correct as well - we can't just hand the Republicans anything. Sure, we've got more of a chance of getting people who will abide by the Constitution, but not much more of a chance.
If we let them in, we can't just walk away. We have to hold their feet to the fire. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance!
Posted by: ladykrystyna at August 09, 2010 08:12 PM (zp3kk)
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These times are amazing to me. Never in my life have I heard so many private discussions center on the prospects of something significant about the happen. It seems the majority of folks that I interact with have a deep nawing sense that someting big is about the happen like there is some great "second shoe to fall". Economic callamity is always part of it but with a President pushing and inciting race-politics,a DC elite class (major media included)so out of step with the people,a simmering mindset that two party elections don't work except for the elites,and a Marxist thrust towards socialsim it seems ripe to me. Everyone watching, worrying, thinking, becoming actively engaged from a base point of anger and fear, all it needs is the trigger. Boston Massacre didn't start the revolution, tea party didn't, Stamp Act didn't,..it was when the British moved on the ammo and arms stored in Concord that the shot was heard around the world. What do we currently have that is that important to us?,....the internet?
Posted by: bad-daddy at August 10, 2010 02:56 PM (VlpEo)
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as posted on another thread here by someone i would give credit to if i could. (no insult or plagurisim meant, i'm not very internet savvy) this is summarized.
"come september or august, don't be surprised to see some kind of national emergency that will give the government a reason to cancel or forestall the november elections"
this is an idea that chilled my blood. i am no consipiracy theorist on 9-11 or anything else. but THIS? could this really happen?
could the ruling class be so afraid of the voter turnout in november that they would so blatantly sodomize us without us seeing it? are they so desperate to cling to power while thinking we're all "sheople"?
never before in our history has a national election been suspended, should this come to pass, this would be the trigger we all fear.
this is an idea that will cause me to lose sleep for many nites to come.
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For the First Time In Her Life This Vacation, Michelle Obama is Proud to be an American Living Large On the Taxpayer's Dime
Let them eat flan:
While many of us are struggling, the First Lady is spending the next few days in a five-star hotel on the chic Costa del Sol in southern Spain with 40 of her "closest friends." According to CNN, the group is expected to occupy 60 to 70 rooms, more than a third of the lodgings at the 160-room resort. Not exactly what one would call cutting back in troubled times.
Reports are calling the lodgings of Obama's Spanish fiesta, the Hotel Villa Padierna in Marbella, "luxurious," "posh" and "a millionaires' playground." Estimated room rate per night? Up to a staggering $2,500. Method of transportation? Air Force Two.
To be clear, what the Obamas do with their money is one thing; what they do with ours is another. Transporting and housing the estimated 70 Secret Service agents who will flank the material girl will cost the taxpayers a pretty penny.
Andrea Tantaros compares Michelle Obama to a modern-day Marie Antoinette, but I suspect that comparison is unfair. There is no evidence Obama favors another country as Antoinette did Austria, just that she has so little "like" for this one.
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Wonder if she is going to steal the dishes from the White House when she is packing to leave? Wasnt Hitlary accused of that?
Posted by: capt26thga at August 05, 2010 05:24 PM (4QEsy)
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In a capitalist democracy, one does not begrudge anyone success whether measured by the size of their bank account or how they choose to spend it. The mere fact that others can achieve success means that it is possible for us all.
That said, how our President and his family spend their time is a matter of legitimate concern, particularly when public resources are being used, again and again, for ostentatious displays of consumption. A vacation with 40 or so "close friends" in Spain in suites costing up to $2500 a night?! A Secret Service contingent of at least 70? Rational people would forgo such conspicuous consumption because it simply looks and smells very, very badly, particularly considering the current economic climate.
But of course, the Obamas and their "close friends" aren't like the rest of us. They're entitled. They're citizens of the world. The anointed. But they have done the great unwashed a favor. By doing this, they have made absolutely clear that they care nothing at all about what those they rule think, nor do they care about their economic difficulties.
Posted by: mikemcdaniel at August 05, 2010 07:17 PM (AL1KP)
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Hmmmm.
It is amusing. Bush went home to Crawford to do yard work while Obama & family, including the damn dog, jet all over the world.
Honestly that annoys me more than anything else. The *dog* got a private jet. Like a dog would care.
Posted by: memomachine at August 05, 2010 08:34 PM (MwCol)
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The dog did not get a private jet. It just flew with the rest of the staff. After all, the First Family can't be bothered with taking care of a dog in the close confines of Air Force One.
Posted by: zhombre at August 05, 2010 09:13 PM (uCBqK)
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Hi to all, I am a spaniard and I know by the news here that many regions of Spain are sending presents and so on to Michele Obama. I wouldnt doubt that she is not paying as much as you ppl think. For those hotels it is also important to show to the world that their clients are as important as the most important family in US, probably the most important family nowadays, or close to. By the way, this also shows that the family of the President do not think spaniards are racist, which we have been accussed of many times, probably due to our expressions or culture not understood by many. Anyway we are glad to have them here, it would be nice to have you around sometime too. We are very fond of discussing about everything, that is the latin gen (latin comes from Italy not from southamerica). If I were u I would also go to visit "la alhambra" you will not believe it. Anyway, nice talking to you.
Posted by: Amicus at August 06, 2010 12:54 PM (VU7wV)
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Leave Michelle Obama ALONE!!!! She's a HUMAN!!!!!!
- random emo twit
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at August 06, 2010 01:27 PM (ew7v4)
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here's hoping she comes down with a strong dose of traveler's tummy and spends the week in the latrine....
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The Edict-Makers
My inbox has been flooded with a stream of disturbing information overnight and this morning... and sadly, there seems to be a common theme.
The DNC Stimulus
James Pethokoukis warns of of a possible "
August surprise" from President Obama. There are hints that the President may leverage the Bush-era HARP (Home Affordable Refinance Program) to forgive some mortgage debt for the millions of Americans that are upside down a total of $800 billion. The bailout would amount to a backdoor stimulus package, sidestepping bi-partisan opposition in the Senate to increasing the debt. The reason for the backdoor bailout? Utterly cynical.
The nascent recovery is already running out of steam. Wall Street economists just downgraded the government’s second-quarter GDP estimate of 2.4 percent to around 1.7 percent. And as even Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner is warning, the unemployment rate may well begin to rise back toward the politically toxic 10 percent level given such sluggish growth. Many in the White House thought the unemployment rate would be dropping sharply by this point in the recovery.
But that is not happening. What is happening is that the president's approval ratings are continuing to erode, as are Democratic election polls. Democrats are in real danger of losing the House and almost losing the Senate. The mortgage Hail Mary would be a last-gasp effort to prevent this from happening and to save the Obama agenda. The political calculation is that the number of grateful Americans would be greater than those offended that they — and their children and their grandchildren — would be paying for someone else's mortgage woes.
The purpose of the possible debt-increasing backdoor stimulus is to pay-off millions of banking industry donations to the Democratic Party, while hoping to limit the damage to Democrats in November.
It does nothing to help revive the economy.
Backdoor Amnesty
Keeping up the theme of ruling class abuse originating in the Oval Office is a warning that the White House may attempt to use "administrative alternatives" to bypass Congressional opposition and create a
stealth amnesty for criminal aliens:
Addressed to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Director Alejandro Mayorkas and tellingly entitled "Administrative Alternatives to Comprehensive Immigration Reform," the 11-page memo proposes a nonlegislative amnesty that uses executive orders and other legally questionable methods as the basis to circumvent congressional intent.
"It is theoretically possible to grant deferred action (i.e. non enforcement) to an unrestricted number of unlawfully present individuals," the memo cheerfully points out. Its four authors include USCIS Chief Counsel Roxana Bacon and chief of policy and strategy Denise Vanison, two former immigration attorneys who in effect are urging a modern version of the antebellum Sen. John C. Calhoun's nullification theory.
You'll note that we're finding out about these attempts to subvert the rule of law and will of the people from the conservative media... not Congress, nor their allies in the MSM. Both of these schemes usurp Congressional power for a corrupt and abusive executive branch, but as they serve the will of the would-be ruling class as a whole, congressional leaders are silent.
They aren't going to stick their necks out and risk the wrath of the people if they can feign ignorance or blame the President for doing what they want.
A Widening Gulf
Fittingly, Mark Tapscott rounds out today's discoveries with an editorial pointing out the obvious and
growing gulf between the political class of would-be rulers and the majority of Americans:
Big majorities of Mainstream America also think the Political Class couldn't care less about what regular folks think, and most mainstreamers are embarrassed by the behavior of the Political Class. Mainstream Americans think cutting government spending and reducing deficits are good for the economy, Political Class members think doing that will harm the economy.
That the gulf between these two Americas is growing wider is seen most disturbingly in Rasmussen's finding that less than a quarter of Mainstream America now believe the government has the consent of the governed. Washington has a profound credibility crisis.
That Rasmussen's results are far from unique or isolated is seen in the Gallup Poll's most recent finding that only 11 percent of those surveyed have confidence in Congress and only a third have confidence in the presidency.
So how do we explain these two Americas? Rasmussen says his data shows that "the American people don't want to be governed from the left, the right or the center. The American people want to govern themselves."
Americans are increasingly disenchanted with corrupt politicians, elitist media, and disconnected academics, precisely at a moment in history when these would-be rulers have chosen to become more overt in both their quest for power and their contempt of our culture, history, and laws.
A collision course seems imminent.
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Wouldn't an increase in the debt require more government expenditures? Aren't those expenditures supposed to come from an appropriation by Congress?
Article 1, Section 9 [7]:
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.
If the money came from a slush fund from an earlier appropriation, such as TARP (i.e Obama's stash), then it shouldn't raise the deficit, should it?
Posted by: SouthernRoots at August 05, 2010 11:16 AM (3LekK)
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Has this administration realized what a buyout will doe to home equity? Forgiving $100k morgtage principle on a a significant number of homes purchased at $300k immediately makes all homes in that market lose $100k of value. Now, how many people pulled out that equity in the form of a second morgtage? All those loans are immediately underwater. The screaming will be deafining three months after this takes effect.
Posted by: garrettc at August 05, 2010 11:40 AM (DQjJA)
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Southern roots,
As I remember, the TARP was for $300 billion and carried specfic designations.
If the money is not spent, or has been paid back but is still in a holding account, then it would depend on how it is carried on the books as to if it would be part of the debt. I am sure its designation on the books is of an assest and not a debit.
Regardless, this guy has no desire to see the US strong and with a good economy. Everything he does is to obtain political power rather than to help us.
Time for a change. Past time.
Posted by: David at August 05, 2010 12:15 PM (OznaX)
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Right, Obama has no desire to see us with a strong economy.
SRSLY? I mean really, are you serious?
Wouldn't a strong economy help him get re-elected? you guys are so overboard with your rhetoric that you're way past logic.
That's number one.
Second point: how can money that's already been appropriated increase the debt? All this appears to be is a reallocation of funds.
There are plenty of things to fault Obama for. The ones you guys are coming up with lately are laughable.
In Bob's seditious post about the coming revolution, he complains that Tea Party protests are met with mockery. No kidding. How can educated people NOT laugh at this stuff? Dislike his policies and we can talk... but this nonsense about wanting to tank the economy doesn't pass the smell test.
Posted by: Bob at August 05, 2010 02:19 PM (jsQWZ)
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The purpose of the possible debt-increasing backdoor stimulus is to pay-off millions of banking industry donations to the Democratic Party
The banking industry already received over three trillion via the front door, with the aid of the Republican Party.
Posted by: flenser at August 05, 2010 02:53 PM (hZw2A)
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Bob,
Either Obama is trying to tank the economy or he is one of one stupid guy (and his advisors). I live in Louisiana and it is clear the guy is trying his best to ruin our state. As to the Tea Party, I know many of the people associated with it and all are fairly intelligent with many having grad degrees. Perhaps if you listen to what they say you will understand that they are people that have had enough of both parties. Obama has done nothing on getting into office that would assist the economy and mostly he has put road blocks to employment and progress. How stupid can you be to enact a hugh health care measure in a depression? You would have to be nuts to hire someone with that over your head.
flenser,
The banks have a bad rap. The major banks BAC, WFC have all held to stop the total elimination of the monetary system. They did much of this at the instigation of the government and not thinking about the shareholders. In fact, the whole financial mess is the government fault with their pushing for loans that were not backed or checked. So support the banks and not the government.
Posted by: David at August 05, 2010 04:10 PM (OznaX)
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They did much of this at the instigation of the government
Balls. The financial sector owned the government officials who were supposedly "regulating" them. Chris Dodd, for example, never so much as blinked without AIG approval.
It's always a mystery to me why the tough-on-crime right makes an exception for criminals who are filthy rich. There's nothing in conservatism which says we have to bow down and worship people who happen to have a lot of money. Especially when they got their lot of money by bribing politicians.
Posted by: flenser at August 05, 2010 04:35 PM (hZw2A)
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Hmmmm.
@ flenser
"t's always a mystery to me why the tough-on-crime right makes an exception for criminals who are filthy rich. There's nothing in conservatism which says we have to bow down and worship people who happen to have a lot of money. Especially when they got their lot of money by bribing politicians."
You'd have a better argument if Obama, a Democrat, wasn't President and Eric Holder, a Democrat, wasn't in charge of the DoJ.
Unfortunately your complaining about conservatives while progressive Democrats control the entirety of Congress and the federal government makes you look like a complete and utter tool.
here's a tissue, wipe that stupid look off your face.
Posted by: memomachine at August 05, 2010 08:31 PM (MwCol)
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Oh, and flenser, ALL of our most bloated examples of government waste come from programs started or expanded by Democratic / Liberal controlled Congresses. "The right" has NEVER had control of the Congress, not with RINOS like McCain, Graham, the Maine Twins, etc. to give the Copperheads "bipartisan" cover. This election and 2012 just might give us enough actual conservatives to do something about it.
Posted by: SDN at August 08, 2010 07:11 AM (oGcIW)
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Flenser -
So it is big business' fault that Chris Dodd didn't take his oath of office seriously? That's funny; I thought it was up to the politician to have morals. All that big business "owning" wouldn't be worth a damn if Mr. Dodd had just said "No", instead of taking a favorable mortgage. Maybe he still would be fighting for his senate seat too.
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August 04, 2010
Judge Strikes Down Prop.8 in CA
The state's gay marriage ban is shot down... at least temporarily:
A federal judge in California ruled today that the state's same-sex marriage ban amounts to unconstitutional discrimination and should be immediately struck down.
"Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license," wrote U.S. District Court Judge Vaughn Walker in a 136-page decision. "Indeed, the evidence shows Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California Constitution the notion that opposite-sex couples are superior to same-sex couples."
Yawn.
I'm not going to bother reading the opinion for the simple reason that doing so seems pointless; the ruling is sure to be appealed and will more than likely find it's way to the U.S. Supreme Court within a couple of years.
B. Daniel Blatt has read the opinion and finds that the judge's ruling is wanting, which just reinforces my thought that getting too excited about the ruling is pointless.
I find that the judge makes some good arguments for gay marriage, but doesn't succeed in relating them to the constitution. His legal analysis is sloppy at best and dismisses the sex-difference argument for traditional marriage by flippantly referring to what he calls "discredited notions of gender" as if the assumptions about a supposed social construction of gender had been proven true when, in fact, all serious psychological, sociological studies have shown the opposite. Not to mention studies of the human brain.
He fails to cite a provision of the federal constitution which prevents states from making distinctions based on sex difference, primarily because there isn't one.
I suspect this is only going to contribute to the feelings of anomie for social conservatives (Democrats and Republicans) that are increasingly feeling disenfranchised by legislators and the courts.
Oh, we live in interesting times...
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This is one issue where freedom-loving conservatives could gain some ground by giving a little and joining forces with other Americans. I'm sure there are hundreds of gay men and women who would become conservative if it wasn't for the opposition on the gay marriage issue. If conservatives could just say, "Look, I don't agree with your lifestyle, but I don't think the government should have any say in whether you can get married," we could gain some powerful allies.
What is there to loose by allowing homosexuals to get married? Marriage is a LEGAL institution in the eyes of the state, not a religeous one. And don't give me the whole "slippery-slope" argument on this one - the whole "domestic partnership" thing is a MUCH more slippery slope. If anything, this would allow those who are are going to be gay NO MATTER WHAT to lead a lifestyle much more closely in line with conservative values.
I'm as conservative as they come, but this is one issue in which I feel we have engaged in a MAJOR cognitive dissonance on.
Posted by: Walt at August 04, 2010 11:23 PM (puT5W)
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Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis
This is in accordance with Section 131(f) of the US Constitution, "Any laws passed by the stupid people, either directly or via their elected representatives, shall be examined by the wise judges to determine if they are rational, as only judges can determine such things. If judges think to themselves 'this is a silly law' they will have the power to strike it down on that basis".
Posted by: flenser at August 05, 2010 08:01 AM (i0X2b)
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I'm sure there are hundreds of gay men and women who would become conservative if it wasn't for the opposition on the gay marriage issue.
Hundreds!
Posted by: flenser at August 05, 2010 08:02 AM (i0X2b)
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One bright side of this decision--just imagine how much our muslim enemies hate this. Since so many of them live in a medieval (or pre-medieval) culture, the notion of SSM has got to drive them even more insane.
I have no real problem with SSM, though I just hate to be on the same side of a judge who clearly misread the 14th and 10th Amendments.
Posted by: iconoclast at August 05, 2010 11:31 AM (MZd0C)
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You cannot turn a pig's ear into a silk purse.
A rose by any other name...
Such phrases exist because it always has been that genuinely stupid, or willfully depraved, or clinically insane people somehow find their way into positions of power.
These believe they have a godlike power to change reality by decree.
Posted by: Druid at August 05, 2010 12:51 PM (Oe01r)
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I'll remind you that the judge that overturned Prop 8 is a gay conservative appointed by Reagan over the objections of Pelosi and, notably, Cleve Walker (Harvey Milk's boyfriend).
Damn activist conservatives.
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Angle: Beware False Idols
I have a confession to make. I haven't paid that much attention to the Nevada Senate race between Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and his Republican challenger Sharon Angle. I've seen that from time to time she has made statements that can charitably be called "questionable" in nature, which you should translate as "what the heck is she thinking?"
Well, she's done it again, with an odd pronouncement that has driven the
liberal bloggers on Memeorandum into an absolute hissy-fit.
Jon Ralston at the Las Vegas
Sun found an April 21 interview Angle did with Rick Wiles of TruNews Christian Radio, and presented us with
this gem (my emphasis below).
Wiles: Half of the country is working to produce and pay the taxes and pay the bills, the other half is living off the taxpayers -- they're living off the other 51 percent.
Angle: We're right to that point in the graph where it says, "government dependency." And we know that once we have a majority that are dependent upon the government, we will lose our freedom; it says we go into bondage. That's the next stage. Our Founders warned against this. They said don't... that your liberty is only as secure as the people are. Because once they, um, get the ability to vote themselves entitlements from the largesse of the government, liberty is done; freedom is over with. We were warned. We are there. We're right on the cusp of it, and you've identified those numbers. That's the war that we're in. You know, when I talk about a war and a battle and soldiers we have to take up our…our cry for freedom. And we can do it right now at the battle box… I mean at the ballot box. I'm not sure what continues on after 2010. I know people are very frightened about what's going on in this country. And these programs that you mentioned -- that Obama has going with Reid and Pelosi pushing them forward -- are all entitlement programs built to make government our God. And that's really what's happening in this country is a violation of the First Commandment. We have become a country entrenched in idolatry, and that idolatry is the dependency upon our government. We're supposed to depend upon God for our protection and our provision and for our daily bread, not for our government. And you've just identified the real crux of the problem. I've also been endorsed by a PAC out of Washington D.C. and the name of that PAC is Government is not God. And I thought that that was so appropriate because that is really what's happening in our society and we need to take our country back.
We have become a country entrenched in idolatry, and that idolatry is the dependency upon our government.
Very, very strong words... and very true.
Predictably,
Greg Sargent,
Alan Colmes and other progressives are promoting this with a "holy war" spin. As Angle was speaking to a Christian audience on a Christian radio show and is apparently herself a devout Christian, it may be a fair characterization of her feelings.
But the simple fact of the matter is that Angle is dead-on in accurate characterizing the mind-set of progressives. They do think that more government—not individuals, or God—is the solution to almost every problem. To be fair, this is also the mindset of many Republicans, and together, this would-be ruling class is responsible for our nation's addiction to big government.
Idolatry?
No doubt progressives are offended at being tarred with a religious term, but it does adequately reflect their fanatical devotion to ever-larger government as the solution to all the nation's ills. They even have hymns for their savior.
Yes, they did. And it's too bad he seems to have the governing skills of David Koresh.
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Idolatry:
1 : the worship of a physical object as a god
2 : immoderate attachment or devotion to something
The word has two meanings, one of which has no religious connotation whatsoever and the second one sure does fit the left and their crush on statist government, doesn't it? (The first one does, too, but it fits in either case.)
Posted by: ECM at August 04, 2010 05:56 PM (nYKDd)
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She needs money to help defeat Reid. Religion? who cares get that bum out of office.
Posted by: bman at August 04, 2010 11:16 PM (OF//B)
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Man! You scared me for a minute Bob. I thought you were about to find fault with Angle's statement about idolatry. You are right that she is dead on. All you have to do is look at the areas of our country where the number of single mothers are to find where the support for Obamacare resides. They are treating the government like God. They don't pray for guidance or help to God. They call their Congress critter and demand entitlements. And De Toqueville (sp) was right that when the population reaches the 51% point of taking to giving and they can vote to keep their freebies coming then we are approaching the latter days of Rome.
Posted by: inspectorudy at August 05, 2010 02:23 PM (KOOZL)
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I'm not nit picking, just letting you know it's Sharron Angle, not Sharon Angel
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Congressman: Execute Manning if Guilty
What else needs to be said?
Republican Rep. Mike Rogers, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, told a local radio station on Monday that the charges against Pvt. Bradley Manning are worthy of capital punishment.
"We know for a fact that people will likely be killed because of this information being disclosed," he told Michigan-based WHMI. "That's pretty serious. If they don't charge him with treason, they ought to charge him with murder.
"I argue the death penalty clearly should be considered here," he said. "He clearly aided the enemy to what may result in the death of U.S. soldiers . . . If that is not a capital offense, I don't know what is."
That Bradley Manning may have committed treason
because of his politics (he's apparently a huge Rachel Maddow and Media Matters fan) just makes me hope he's given a longer rope at the gallows.
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Bradley Manning is a traitor...a traitor to our country in time of war. Back in my youth, so were Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. We executed them. We should execute Bradley Manning, no matter what his reasons, which seem to be, among other things, an inability to decide on which gender he is. Though what that has to do with betraying your country in time of war, I can't understand.
And while we're at it, why aren't we executing Major Hasan? How many people does one have to murder before one is convicted of murder? His score is 13.
Marianne Matthews
Posted by: Marianne Matthews at August 04, 2010 10:26 AM (Aaj8s)
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Prosecution of treason would be a bad precedent for Dims. Since Manning has helped promote the global jihad, O Hussein cannot consider him a traitor.
Posted by: DleifsarbYrral at August 04, 2010 11:47 AM (qYH4w)
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They should strap Manning to his new best bud Michael Moore and drop both from a B-52 at 40,000 feet.
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at August 04, 2010 12:19 PM (ew7v4)
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Strapping anyone to Michael Moore is cruel and unusual.
Posted by: ECM at August 04, 2010 05:53 PM (nYKDd)
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And I don't think Moore will fit in the bomb bay of a 52... You *COULD* put him out on a pylon, but you'd never trim it to fly level.
Posted by: Dixie at August 04, 2010 10:54 PM (6ysUD)
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I usually support the death penalty. In Manning's case, I don't. Life imprisonment at hard labor would be more apt. Let him turn big rocks into little ones, twelve hours a day, six days a week forever.
Posted by: Ken Hahn at August 05, 2010 11:03 AM (PpKd7)
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UCMJ Article 104 seems clear enough:
Any person who—
(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or
(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or protects or gives intelligence to or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly; shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.”
If Manning is found guilty, I hope the Courts Martial administers the maximum penalty.
Posted by: iconoclast at August 05, 2010 11:35 AM (MZd0C)
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Actually, a shorter rope would cause more suffering, as his would be less likely to break, resulting in a comparatively long and lingering death by strangulation.
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Missouri Tells Dems Where to Stick Obamacare
Show Me indeed:
Missouri voters on Tuesday overwhelmingly rejected a federal mandate to purchase health insurance, rebuking President Barack Obama's administration and giving Republicans their first political victory in a national campaign to overturn the controversial health care law passed by Congress in March.
"The citizens of the Show-Me State don't want Washington involved in their health care decisions," said Sen. Jane Cunningham, R-Chesterfield, one of the sponsors of the legislation that put Proposition C on the August ballot. She credited a grass-roots campaign involving Tea Party and patriot groups with building support for the anti-Washington proposition.
With most of the vote counted, Proposition C was winning by a ratio of nearly 3 to 1.
It remains to be seen if the referendum actually has any legal standing.
Do any of you lawyerly types want to hazard a guess?
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"Do any of you lawyerly types want to hazard a guess?"
Time to get the popcorn going...
Posted by: Diogenes Online at August 04, 2010 09:48 AM (2MrBP)
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Legal standing or no, this may be a turning point for the Obama administration as Captain Ed points out this morning:
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/08/04/missouri-pops-the-obamacare-media-bubble/
The lamestream media may be reaching the end of its forebearance in water-carrying for these incompetents.
Posted by: Diogenes Online at August 04, 2010 09:54 AM (2MrBP)
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I don't think the Commerce clause can be stretched enough to allow the government to force private citizens to buy something, whether it's health insurance, a car they don't want or need, or new appliances. Our current Administration and the arrogant suckers in Congress feel that they can infringe on our personal freedoms any way they want to, and get away with it. In the long run that's not true, and they will find out in November.
Meanwhile, this case of forcing citizens to buy something they don't want may go all the way to the Supreme Court. I sure do hope so.
Marianne Matthews
Posted by: Marianne Matthews at August 04, 2010 10:31 AM (Aaj8s)
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10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Posted by: Constitutionalist at August 08, 2010 03:29 PM (5AzkP)
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"I killed the five racists that was there that was bothering me."
The other three he murdered, and the others he tried to kill? I guess they were just for fun.
After being presented video evidence that he stole beer from the company he worked at, Omar Thorton pulled a gun and
murdered eight co-workers before holding authorities at bay. He spoke to his family, and then finally turned the gun on himself.
I wasn't there, and don't know all the details, but I suspect that Thorton wasn't fired because the company he worked for and the union he was a part of were a cabal of racists out to get him.
I suspect it had far more to do with him being a thief.
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I guess a "Beer Summit" was out of the question then....
Posted by: Big Country at August 04, 2010 03:50 AM (Z8fIq)
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Another story that will disappear down the lying liberal media's black hole of Doesn't-Fit-Our-Agenda.
Posted by: emdfl at August 04, 2010 09:15 AM (cLZnh)
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Oi-hmnuh....evidence that he was truly mentally unbalanced.....giving credence to the theory that criminals are nuts....maybe that is why I don't eat nuts....Don't want to become what I eat....Nuts....too late...wait there is still some hope....bah who cares.....
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We Get Letters!
The deceptive efforts of Media Matters finally duped one of their gullible readers to respond. This gem comes from brian75752003@yahoo.com.
Subject: You Are a TRAITOR
I hope you chickenhawk cowards do try to revolt against our government. Please try it. I want to be the first in line to shoot the traitors of America. You think people are afraid of you??? You are a complete coward Owens. I hope you rot in f*cking hell you piece of sh*t TRAITOR. This veteran will defend his country to the end against traitorous pukes like you.
Eloquent, don't you think?
I responded:
Interesting.
The overwhelming majority of veterans I've talked to honor their oath to the Constitution, and look on the current elitists (Democrat and Republican) with sadness, for they know that these elitists and their continual power grabs represent the domestic enemies that our Founding Fathers and even later day Presidents have warned us as being the greatest threats to our republic.
I regret that conflict may be a possibility if the electoral process cannot purge the sickness from the system.
You, apparently, relish the thought of killing your fellow citizens, just as you misunderstand your oath and who the traitors to this republic actually are.
Somehow, I'm less than impressed.
Anonymous threats are easy to make on the Internet. Coming up with a compelling intellectual argument defending the attempts of the ruling class to usurp our rights is far more difficult.
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Call me cynical, but I don't think 'Brian' (if that's his real name) is a veteran. It's certainly true that when lefties were tossing around the 'chickenhawk' slur during the run-up to the liberation of Iraq, it was never veterans who used the term.
Which reminds me: it's not an original idea, but it needs to be said. Remember all the lefties who insisted that Iraq was the wrong war and Afghanistan was the right war, and called righties 'chickenhawks' if they didn't volunteer to serve in Iraq, even when they weren't eligible? (I was told more than one once that I was morally obligated to lie about my age, pretend to be 8-10 years younger than I was, and enlist to serve in Iraq, or else shut up.) Anyway, shouldn't all those people be joining the Army or Marine Corps right about now? The 'right war', now run by the right President, needs them.
Posted by: Dr. Weevil at August 03, 2010 08:23 PM (UsZjo)
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I hope you chickenhawk cowards do try to revolt against our government. Please try it. I want to be the first in line to shoot the traitors of America.
Two questions: Do you have a weapon or three? Do you know how to use it?
Dr. Weevil, all I can say is that Markos "Screw them" Zuniga is a veteran. Blue Falcons become veterans too.
Posted by: Pablo at August 03, 2010 09:14 PM (yTndK)
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Dear Brian,
This veteran will be waiting for you. See you on the battlefield mother f*cker.
OUT
Posted by: Monk at August 03, 2010 09:37 PM (M+Ylp)
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This issue is like the Number #1 fear among many of us Expat Americans. The majority of us are ALL former military, primarily SpecOps and such other milspecialties, and see/read from 'outside influences of the "Mass Media"... to say we have an "Outsider/Insider point of view" is an understatement.
'De Oppresso Libre' or 'To Free the Oppressed' is the motto on the Special Forces Crest... Most of the current and retired SF operators I know are now in a moral/mental conundrum, as they can SEE both the current and 'trending' oppression in our own Government, and yet, b/c of the military's binding to the civilian authorities, the question becomes one of "When does the civilian leadership become defined as 'the enemy?'" as stated in the US Armed Forces Oath of Enlistment: "I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
The question becomes: When does it become viable that the President and those of his 'cabal' become the enemy?
Myself, I think we all know that answer there...
Posted by: Big Country at August 04, 2010 03:47 AM (Z8fIq)
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Wow....I just told a person last night that there would be no civil war, but that the electoral process was our hope....It appears( never feel comfortable using relative scientific meanderings) that the left would love for there to be a civilian uprising...I think that would be so they could make their cowards call for the UN to step in to help put us down.....the electoral process is looking real good right now.....soo great big BWA to the craaaazy left.....But if need be; should the curtain call come in, I will be happy to take up arms against this dispicable atrocity we call a government.....
Posted by: ron at August 04, 2010 10:46 AM (rF92o)
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A veteran, huh? He left off "concerned Christian conservative." He also should have claimed to be a teabag- uh, a tea partier and made some racist remarks.
But heck with it, if he wasn't stupid he wouldn't be an anonymous troll.
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at August 04, 2010 12:22 PM (ew7v4)
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I think that I've been called a Chickenhawk by some deranged Lib on these forums too. In the mind of a Lib it's Infantry Marine in Iraq = Chickenhawk; Pining for murder of all Republicans and servicemen = Patriot.
It's like up = down with these people.
That nastygram you received was perfect. Thanks for posting it. Libs love murder. It's good to rub it in their faces until they wise up. Keeps em from forgetting.
How does one even have a conversation with such a person?
Posted by: brando at August 04, 2010 04:23 PM (IPGju)
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brando, you're kidding, right? How much conversation can you have with the guy who's throwing you through a window, then photographing the bloody mess so we know what it is to live in fear?
The worst day in these clowns' lives will be the one they start the revolution.
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at August 05, 2010 01:35 PM (TrJU0)
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When Southerners had finally had all they could take from an oppressive and abusive government they formally drew up papers and legally withdrew from the Union. Yes the South did fire the first shots of the war at Fort Sumter only when the Union troops refused to leave peacefully. But also it is noted no one was killed in that attack. It was meant to get their attention. It did! That was the beginning of the War of Northern Aggression. American by birth, Union by Force. I used to never feel that way. In the last few years I've started having a hard time with the way this country is run and with the few that are running it. It's not hard to see things are getting ugly and more and more people are becoming angry with whats going on in DC. Growing up in Florida I have met many people from Mass. I have yet to meet one that would admit to voting for Ted Kennedy. Imagine that.
Posted by: capt26thga at August 05, 2010 06:07 PM (5rqpB)
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Lest we forget, Stalin, Hitler, and Che wanted to help the little guy, unless your in their way.
It's like Gerard V. said "...there are some lies that lodge so deep in the hopes of man that they can never be killed no matter how many are executed to make the lie true."
Posted by: david at August 07, 2010 11:33 AM (Bk8Wa)
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Imho, unless the marxist-left collapses under it's own weight, & by extension their plans, within the US & loses it's fascist grip on key public & private institutions, then the only we are going to be wondering someday in the future is. . .
. . . is that Pinochet's HUMVEE I hear from my front-porch?
Gitmo would certainly get some new guests, for sure.
tD
Posted by: tahDeetz at August 10, 2010 06:08 AM (yxmDD)
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Everyone should realize that Libtards are predominantly unarmed peasants that look to their mommy-state to protect them. Conservatives are predominantly well-armed, individualists that look to themselves and their God to take care of them. The last thing any tofu-eating, marxist-loving libtard wants is to face his neighbors in mass. Hopefully, that won't happen but if you think US 2010 looks anything like US 1860 you are smoking crack.The "blue" north and west would not last the first round with the "red" states. Just the licensed hunters in Texas would constitute the 4th largest "standing" army in the world.
Talk Big Libtards,...while you snibble under your mommy-states skirt for protection.
Posted by: bad-daddy at August 10, 2010 03:14 PM (VlpEo)
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I wonder how Brian feels about this President taking the Taliban and Hamas off their list of terrorist organizations?
That should put them back on the "fly-list".
Also, next time he goes through the airport scanners he might note that the Muslims next to him are walking right through without beng scanned because, to them, it is "haram".
It's haram to me to when I think of my grand daughter being scanned to reveal her nudity to those prevert Muslim men.
Perhaps Brian is a frustrated Muslim who wants the Constitution torn down and replaced with shari'ah law? He may get his wish soon enough if this President is allowed to serve out his term.
Impeach the President for treason!
Posted by: Kim Bruce at August 11, 2010 09:52 PM (tlITD)
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Closer to Midnight
When I wrote A Nation on the Edge of Revolt Saturday morning, I knew that it would be taken out of context by some and well-received by others.
Perhaps the most interesting feedback I've received this far was in the comments of that blog entry, where a commenter calling himself TN_NamVolunteer wrote:
Bob/CY
I would like to ask you a question and do not need/require a personal reply, just answer here or perhaps better a reply in new post.
I've read you for a number of months (years) primarily because you have been a 'level head' or a 'voice of reason' even re. other conservative blogs; and, here, once before - you said the time was not now.
the question: What has changed your mind? What event or piece of information has happened or transpired that has moved the hands of the clock of destiny closer to midnight? What has changed your mind that you now "advise" us to: "prepare for war"?
(for the vets here my oath was on 17JUL1968, my father's 31JAN1943)
What has changed my mind? What has transpired that makes me feel that patriots should gird for a possible revolution? What, as he asks, "has happened or transpired that has moved the hands of the clock of destiny closer to midnight?"
These are all fair questions, and I do not have a simple answer to any of them.
For example, I'm not sure that my mind has changed. We live in a nation with the longest continually-functioning government in the world. The Founders were brilliant men who set up a system of checks and balances that has kept any of our three branches of government from easily seizing power for themselves, and just as importantly, has made it difficult from them to collude with one another. It is a system that has worked better than any other for several hundred years.
But just as there are no perfect people, there are no perfect governments, and all governments over time seek to grow. Governments crave power and control the way plants seek light and nutrients. The more they grow, the more they need to survive, and the more they need to take.
Inexorably, this taking comes at the price of our individual liberties.
Angelo M. Codevilla's recent
America's Ruling Class -- And the Perils of Revolution brings us nothing revolutionary in and of itself. What Codevilla does best is bring a bit of synergy to the fractured thoughts many of us have harbored in part or in whole as we witness our nation's perilous state and the megalomania of those who have both caused so many of our problems and who simultaneously claim to be our saviors.
The greatest disagreement I have with the author is that he thinks that Democrats represent the elitists and that Republicans, almost by default, represent the best hope for the rest of us.
I respectfully disagree, and suspect that many who read the Codevilla article will come away with the realization that there is very little difference between Democrats and many Republicans. I also think they will agree with the author that the elitists that are entrenched in both parties have far more in common and are far more driven by the desire to further their lots in life than they are to serve their fellow citizens. As a bipartisan group, this would-be ruling class exists to increase their power, at the expense of the rest of us, the so-called "country class."
But specific membership aside, the author correctly notes:
The ruling class's appetite for deference, power, and perks grows. The country class disrespects its rulers, wants to curtail their power and reduce their perks. The ruling class wears on its sleeve the view that the rest of Americans are racist, greedy, and above all stupid. The country class is ever more convinced that our rulers are corrupt, malevolent, and inept. The rulers want the ruled to shut up and obey. The ruled want self-governance. The clash between the two is about which side's vision of itself and of the other is right and which is wrong. Because each side -- especially the ruling class -- embodies its views on the issues, concessions by one side to another on any issue tend to discredit that side's view of itself. One side or the other will prevail. The clash is as sure and momentous as its outcome is unpredictable.
One side or the other will prevail. The clash is as sure and momentous as its outcome is unpredictable.
We have moved "closer to midnight" not because of any singular act , but because of inertia of a political class that does not respect or enforce the laws, or this nation's sovereignty. We have diametrically opposed views of how our nation can and should be run, and it appears that there is very little room left for negotiation.
Propagandists for the elitists at Media Matters seem troubled by
A Nation on the Edge of Revolt. They portray it as a threat when "
Conservative media figures openly discuss armed revolution."
I hope they do feel threatened. Attempts at peaceable protests have been met at turns by feigned ignorance, then mockery, then attacks on the character and motives of those would not sit quietly by. Perhaps it will take a serious review of our capacity for violence to get them to realize we shall not surrender our individual liberties to their lust for power.
I have not yet been swayed to the point of view that an armed conflict is inevitable, TN_NamVolunteer. But we are close enough that one would be wise to prepare for a possible conflict, just as one would prepare for any coming storm.
Update: Media Matters
responds with the sort of "objectivity" you'd expect.
08/11/2010 Update: Brad Reid at the aptly named
Crooks and Liars has joined the
shrieking liberal chorus. I invite his readers, like those of Media Matters and Daily Kos, to read my response,
Defending Liberty.
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The issue, as I see it, is not so much the government but the bureaucracy that has sprung up to support all this feel-good, "we really, really care for you" legislation. The bureaucratic overload is enormous. Not too long ago, it required $2 of administration to deliver a dollar in benefits; It's heading for 3 to 1 with no indication the increased administration is having any effect but stifling the economy as the administrative burden increases.
Private businesses typically run an administrative burden of about 5 to 10%. They have to watch their expenses or the company goes out of business. The erroneous assumption of this era is that governments, especially the United States, cannot go 'out of business', they can default; become unable to provide services promised. California and other states are teetering on the edge of default.
The federal government has been growing itself for decades. Default is not an impossibility. We need to shut down the stuff that no longer works. I propose to fight bureaucracy with bureaucracy.
I propose to establish a Bureau of Government Efficiency whose sole task is to identify government programs that have completed their task, become outdated, are corrupt, ineffective or outright criminal. Once identified, BuGE pulls their funding. Just to be sure they do their job, BuGE has no budget; Their only budget comes from programs and agencies they have shut down. This is not unlike the Base Closing Commission which was instituted to take the politics out keeping or closing military bases. BuGE would report to the President. Congress and the courts would have some ability to countermand BuGE's decisions. The point is that the bureaucracy, Congress and the President will be scrambling like mad to protect their sacred cows while BuGE grows to devour them and then dies off to a more manageable level.
What politician could stand and publicly vote against government efficiency? What media outlet is going to sing the praises of waste, fraud & corruption? Once in place, it would become a behemoth devouring sinecures by the thousands. For that matter, as our President has so amply demonstrated; who needs the approval of Congress? He can start BuGE then stand aside as the carnage begins while devoting his attention to more pressing issues.
Posted by: Jerry in Detroit at August 03, 2010 03:05 PM (WMmcr)
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I like to characterize the current climate as the "Early John Adams" period.
Posted by: flavius at August 03, 2010 04:13 PM (eHO33)
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Since you brought up the idea of revolution, I gotta ask. How much thought have you given to the idea of killing your fellow Americans? Could you line someone up in rifle sights and pull the trigger? Just something to consider before you revolt.
Posted by: Rafterman at August 03, 2010 04:22 PM (gAVTo)
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Attempts at peaceable protests have been met at turns by feigned ignorance, then mockery, then attacks on the character and motives of those would not sit quietly by.
Don't omit the threats and acts of outright violence by the thugs of the ruling class(es) against those who protest. The violence committed by the Left will only increase; it is, after all, their response to challenge. I predict that protests and tea party assemblies will encounter greater violence in the next few months in order to intimidate and discourage.
Posted by: iconoclast at August 03, 2010 04:36 PM (MZd0C)
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"Attempts at peaceable protests have been met at turns by feigned ignorance, then mockery, then attacks on the character and motives of those would not sit quietly by."
Maybe you're starting to get some idea of how we felt back in 2003.
My point being, we have more in common than we generally care to admit. What do you think of the possibility of the beaten-down left and the beaten-down right getting together for some small-d democratic action? (In the abstract, of course)
Posted by: Evan at August 03, 2010 04:53 PM (LPjQW)
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We need to require a budgetary process that requires more effort to eliminate government spending instead of finding additional ways to spend in order to get reelected. I propose a congressional veto where each congressman would be required to recommend a line item of the budget that would then have to receive a majority vote to remain in the budget. This would have a political chance of getting through because it does give the congressman some additional power and might actually limit some of the abusive spending.
Posted by: Steven L. Hanson at August 03, 2010 06:29 PM (vQ4Az)
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I am not optimistic about the nation avoiding violence. Our rulers are getting increasingly desperate to find more ways to increase government's take, in order to avoid curtailment of obscenely bloated salaries, leave, and pension benefits, and will show up in increasing numbers at tea party events in their purple shirts. Thugs will increase their intimidation of peaceable protesters (there have already been numerous incident, invariably precipitated by union thugs and ignored by the media) until one day, several will pummel a protester only to eat bullets. Cops will massively step in on the side of the union thugs (they're on the same side, and frequently in the same union), and the war will be on. I hope and pray that I'm wrong, but there seems to be some inevitability to the way things are progressing.
The violence will of course originate with the leftist thugs, but that is not the way it will be portrayed in the media, and the media themselves will risk becoming targets of the tea partfiers, who see them --- correctly --- as aligned with the ruling class and the union thugs. It won't be pretty.
Posted by: Spartan79 at August 03, 2010 06:35 PM (SK5U6)
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I abhor voilence, yet I increasingly feel it is inevitable. When it comes, the first targets should be the MSM. Let's copy previous revolutionary tactics - sieze the control of information from the grasp of the communists/socialists. We might hav e to destroy that village in order to secire a free and indepemdent press. The 1st Amendment should also apply to the Internet.
Posted by: SicSemperTyrannus at August 03, 2010 08:13 PM (EAESv)
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Oath of office aside (including my Dad and Son's): being prepared is not any type of fault. I'm certain that many conservative, USA-loving, constitutionally aware citizens and veterans alike are just as prepared to vote, attend town hall meetings, and pray, as they are to oil a weapon and check the sights. I'm just as prepared for peace as conflict. Vigilance is not evil.
Posted by: Robert17 at August 03, 2010 09:13 PM (LaaRT)
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Why might revolution be necessary? Actually, it's relatively simple and the Founders spelled it out in detail. Remember too Hubert Humphrey, certainly no republican reactionary, who observed that tyranny seems very unlikely to Americans, but is always possible.
May I offer one simply metric by which we can judge? When our elected officials have an idea for a law or policy and proceed this way, democracy is safe:
"...OK, so we're all agreed this might be a good thing. But is it constitutional? Does the Constitution give us the specific power to do that? It's not? It's doesn't? Too bad. We can't do it then. What's next on the agenda?"
If, however, when those we elect (or who were elected by the votes of the dead, convicted felons, or folks who voted early and often--interesting how such people tend to vote Democrat) proceed this way, we're in trouble:
...OK, so we're going to do this. How can we shape the narrative and messaging to push it through before it can be stopped? What's that? The republicans are going to say it's unconstitutional? Yeah, right. OK, so we call the SEIU and..."
When we stop measuring our actions by the limits of the Constitution, when we no longer accept the concept of constitutional limits, the possibility of revolution becomes very real indeed. It becomes real because substantial numbers of Americans do understand and revere the Constitution and all of those who established it, and who have, for more than two centuries, maintained it with their blood and toil. They understand that we do indeed have domestic enemies, and that they are, in many ways, more dangerous than foreign enemies.
No rational person wants this to happen, but thank God there remain sufficient Americans to recoil in horror at the fact that the current administration is so anti-American and so immoral that such might become necessary. And thank God too that should it become necessary, they will defend the Constitution. If that becomes necessary, like our Founders, these new patriots will indeed be risking their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. For those who understand no principal except their own pleasure and comfort as provided by an all encompassing, omniscient government, this is surely an alien concept.
Posted by: mikemcdaniel at August 03, 2010 10:30 PM (AL1KP)
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Love the MediaMatters piece on you. Its not like the whole objective of that post was to put pressure on the newspaper for hiring you or anything. Nawwww.....
Typical.
Posted by: Phil at August 04, 2010 12:13 AM (5IXVT)
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Bob/CY
Thanks for the "personal" reply. Also, 'tis excellent advice to "prepare for any coming storm".
best regards,
Tom Shipley
Posted by: TN_NamVolunteer at August 04, 2010 12:18 AM (diBNC)
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Bob, as an old Marine vet I share your assesment of our future. Something occurred in my life that reminded me of the many books I have read on the American revolution. It was the Tea Parties I have attended. They have ALL been made up of people from a Norman Rockwell magazine cover. This is the broadist group of voluntary people with the same purpose I have ever been a part of. But what I did sense from these groups was a feeling that there was nothing much more that we could do about the mess in DC if our effort to vote in change fails. There were patriotic people whispering that things may have gone too far this time with our government. The groups were solid people and were not the type to use loud hyperboyle. But these groups are a dertermined bunch and will not stand by and watch our country fail.
Posted by: inspectorudy at August 04, 2010 01:11 AM (KOOZL)
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Rafterman:
On being interviewed by CNN, a Marine Sniper was asked: "What do you feel, when you know that you've just taken a human life? That by pulling the trigger you killed someones father, son or brother?"
He thought about it for a second, gazed into the long distances and replied:
"Recoil."
Posted by: Big Country at August 04, 2010 04:08 AM (Z8fIq)
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I have been saying for a while now that if the Republicans win the house this November, which they should, they will have the ability to stop this in its tracks. All I am looking for is for them to act, even if it is futile. Pass the bill to repeal ObamaCare, it will never pass the Senate or be signed by this President, but pass it anyway. Pass bills that drastically reduce spending, again it will never pass the Senate or the President but give us the indication that you get it.
If the Republicans botch it, the only way will be armed rebellion.
Posted by: Sinner at August 04, 2010 08:28 AM (U/yZ+)
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"Since you brought up the idea of revolution, I gotta ask. How much thought have you given to the idea of killing your fellow Americans?"
That question presumes that I view those people as "fellow Americans." That's a very big presumption that might not be true. It's increasingly obvious that those people look at me not as a "fellow American," but as a serf who's expected to bow and scrape in the presence of his betters.
"Could you line someone up in rifle sights and pull the trigger?"
Been there, done that, wore the t-shirt.
Any more silly questions?
Posted by: Ken Prescott at August 04, 2010 08:34 AM (KCVUU)
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Ah yes, the usual response of the dunce who can't frame an argument. You can't win on the merits of your views, so you resort to physically threatening the rest of us. Your entire argument consists of, "Shut up or we'll hurt you."
Please explain why I should regard you or anyone else who fantasizes about killing me, my husband, my family and friends for our beliefs, with any less contempt than I regard Islamic fanatics, Stalinists, or Nazis who want to kill us for our beliefs.
Posted by: Pamela Troy at August 04, 2010 10:46 AM (bW7+7)
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Killing, no matter whom, should never be taken lightly. I suspect that regardless of the tone of the comments here, veterans who have killed the enemy did (or do) have residual, if minor, regrets.
Having said that....
Ron Johnson, running for US Senate against Russ Feingold in Wisconsin, is running an ad denouncing Federal debt run-up as "immoral." First time I've heard that term applied to what IS 'immoral' in my memory.
The question, assuming that Johnson is correct, is therefore "What Government immorality deserves lethal retribution?"
The decision cannot be based on perceived or real arrogance, greed, or 'class distinctions'. It must be based on a rational analysis which ultimately shows that the intergenerational theft is sufficient cause for armed revolt.
The Founders perceived that lethal means were necessary after a series of immoral acts by the King and his agents. It was not merely taxes. It included violations of damn near every tenet enshrined in the Bill of Rights--quartering, show-trials, imprisonment without trial, and summary executions by English troops.
I submit that the King's actions were much worse than mere intergenerational theft, although THAT is extremely serious.
So: is it time? Not yet. I'd go so far as to say that it's not 'time' until The Regime's troops and agents begin doing what George III's boyzzzzz did.
That may be very soon, but it hasn't happened yet.
Posted by: dad29 at August 04, 2010 10:49 AM (3PS1w)
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Pamela Troy fantasizes about murdering you, Bob. If you don't like it, then you are a Nazi, apparently. And if Pam doesn't like that I pointed that out... she's a racist and a Nazi.
They haven't heard of Godwin's Law over at DU?
Nazis, I hate those guys.
Posted by: brando at August 04, 2010 04:52 PM (IPGju)
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brando: Pamela Troy fantasizes about murdering you, Bob.
I've done nothing of the kind, and you know it.
Posted by: Pamela Troy at August 04, 2010 05:33 PM (pnlG4)
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pamela you misunderstand the argument here and mistate it. in fact your producing a diversonary straw man. no offense.
the fact is no one has expressed a desire to hunt down people and thier families for thier beliefs.
what is being talked about is where the line of tyranny is and when have the power elites crossed it.
then from the supposition of when and how the line has been crossed and we are under tyranny are we morally allowed or required to fight it, and at that point fight it by force meeting force
so do you understand? no one in this thread advocated or fantasized about a political pogram. rounding people up and wholesale executions of whole families is the tactic of the left such as communists and nazis just as you said and no one here is a nazi or a commie from the left side of the political spectrum
Posted by: rumcrook¾ at August 04, 2010 09:48 PM (60WiD)
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Many great comments. I especially like "Vigilance is not evil"; nor is dedication. Pamela, if you're looking for Nazis look no farther than the SEIU thugs or the Black Panthers which were both intimidating peaceful people. We're not advocating the same behavior but rather the prevention of same.
Posted by: A Nobody at August 05, 2010 12:02 PM (fEnA4)
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Before you call each other Nazis, remember who the Nazis were:
Nazis wanted to kill or destroy:
"the liberal media" (Hitler may have actually coined that phrase)
"Democrats"
"Social Democrats"
"Unions"
"Marxists"
"Blacks, Jews, Immigrants"
"Civil rights"
"Pacifists"
"Secularists"
"College professors"
"Religious tolerance"
"Social Justice"
"Empathy"
Bilingualism, multiculturalism
Pornography
Birth control
Jazz
Modern art
Homosexuals
People who don't support troops
Posted by: BurfordHolly at August 05, 2010 10:01 PM (TO9vv)
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"tactic of the left such as communists and nazis"
Well, you got one right. Naziism, regardless of that silly book to the contrary, is, was, and looks to be returning as, a rightward ideology. Just compare a list of things the average conservative hates to a list of things Nazis wanted destroyed (one conveniently posted above, looks like a CPAC issues list).
"The violence will of course originate with the leftist thugs" Certainly not from the right!!
Well, except for the cop killer in Philly, or the cop killer in California, or the Bernie Goldberg fanboy who shot up a church and its members (cuz he couldn't get to the liberals he REALLY wanted to kill), or the anti-choice freak who shot a doctor in church.
And all the violent rhetoric will probably come from the left too!!! Well, except for Glenn Beck, Sharrrron Angle, and a host of righty bloggers who think the only way to discuss policy with a liberal is a tree and a rope, and the only remedy to losing an election is a "2nd Amendment" one.
The right hates liberals, and liberalism with an unhealthy passion bordering on obsession. Regardless of their hate, we ARE still AMERICANS, and our political goals, and policy ideas have as much right as anyone else's to be heard, and debated. If you think otherwise, you are not a real American.
Posted by: William Reich at August 06, 2010 09:32 AM (HZXgS)
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And it's worth remembering what the Nazis were FOR:
Constant war
Worship of the military
Underming people's faith in elections
Reducing history education to broad populist themes of white victimhood
A "spiritual" movement
Values education in the schools
Censorship
Reduced science education
College students ratting out professors for lack of loyalty
Torture
Abstinence
Early marriage
High birth rate
State control of the media, arts, and science
Making nationalism part of the school curriculum
Worship of an idealized version of the past
Rebellion against "weak" authority
Blaming minorities and immigrants for everything
Invoking destiny and being judged by history
Claiming to do "God's will"
Posted by: Burford Holly at August 06, 2010 12:09 PM (TO9vv)
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OK.
So I am supposed to be reassured that the revolution will not simply involve killing people who think and say the wrong things.
So who, with as much precision as possible, are the fans of revolution wanting to kill?
Fantasizing about hanging all of Congress is old hat. I presume some large portion of the judiciary will be hanged. I'd be interested in knowing which revolutionaries will decide which judges are authentically American enough, and what criteria they will use. They'll have a lot of reading to do.
I'm not surprised to see one person in the thread advocate violence against the dreaded MSM. I assume that will be broadened to include the likes of Media Matters.
How about open counter-revolutionaries -- people who openly oppose the revolution? Is it the firing squad for them?
Surely some will respond that I am misinterpreting or misrepresenting the pro-revolutionaries. That's easy to do, since so much of the revolutionary jargon is vague and subject to multiple interpretations. The recent fawning over the "ruling class" concept seems to involve a substantial widening of the scope of people to be killed --- or, at least, to be the subjects of fantasies about killing.
Is anyone who is cheering the concept of revolution willing to stand up and specify who is going to be killed?
Posted by: Ken at August 07, 2010 01:51 AM (vPAlX)
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People need to know that armed revolution should only come when the government ignores the ballot. If people are voting for idiots who will destroy our constitution, then do we have any right to revolt? No we don't. Because the will of the people trumps everything. If people want a socialist government, then that's what we are going to have.
I'm not picking up a weapon to fight against policies that were legitimately voted in. Now when the government begins to take power while ignoring the ballots, then it's time for a real revolution.
Personally I believe a socialist government is inevitable. Though I'll fight against it all the way. Each generation of our children become lazier and more irresponsible. They will be looking for somebody to take care of their responsibilities. Therefore, they will vote in politicians that promise them that they won't have to take care of anything. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
Posted by: Ryan at August 09, 2010 01:37 PM (sjPJr)
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I've never understood why those in love with socialist ways, don't just move to a socialist country? Like the guy just hired to implement obamacare, who is in love with Britian's socialist healthcare, why don't people like that just move there instead of trying to force that crap onto the greatest country there ever was, this one? Can anyone answer that? I've always wondered that. If they hate this country, then just LEAVE!
To David:
You said, "I just returned from Europe and can assure you that the world is waiting for November. If things don't change significantly, then you can expect violence."
Posted by: David at July 31, 2010 05:09 PM
Can you please expand on this statement?
Posted by: Corrine at August 09, 2010 03:36 PM (06Nwg)
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To David:
Sorry, wrong page. I'll move it to where it belongs. Please ignore. Thanks.
Posted by: Corrine at August 09, 2010 03:37 PM (06Nwg)
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April 19 1775 the British attempted to seize a cache of weapons and powder at Lexington Massachusetts. This sparked a successful American Revolution...This is a hint.
I spent thirty years in Electronic Warfare the majority of that time as an "aggressor". I have studied planning and operations, Everyone is talking up the November elections. My fear is a manufactured emergency that will allow the regime the excuse to cancel the election. I pray I am wrong but all the signs are there. Expect a ramping up of tensions even riots through September with a major event in mid to late October that would create the "emergency". Needless to say this event will be blamed on the "Tea Party" with demands to confiscate privately owned weapons with the same result as in 1775.
Posted by: EWoldcrow at August 09, 2010 09:21 PM (Kal6m)
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The midnight you speak of is not so obscure or vague as you make it to be. The machine of federal power that has become master, lording it over us, now trashes the constitution at will. It does this with aide and abetance of the servile judicary. Few in government even pay lip service anymore to constitutional governance. But worse than that has been the emergence and empowerment of the fourth branch of government, the alliance of multinationals within the government. This is the gun held to our collective heads. Our economy was broken on the backs of small farming and manufacturing by the globalists and their ilk. The jobs and the strength of our country vanished with the wind of the empty promises made. With every lost job the government and the socialist agenda advanced like the army of doom and now today freedom and liberty seem more like a cliche than a tradition. The operative term within the federal power structure is BOHICA and most of us recognize this fact. Yes, we are divided; simply because we are not united. Shamefully, we seem not able to unite "for something". And that, my friends in liberty, leaves us the lone option to unite "against something". Think about it because in the words of Bobby Dylan: "When you ain't got nothin, you got nothin to lose."
Posted by: machinewarden at August 10, 2010 01:39 AM (5s/gZ)
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A recent poll that 67% of the ruling elite in Washington DC felt that our country was heading in the right direction while 83% of Americans felt it was heading in the wrong direction. That really shows a disconnect between those who are supposed to be serving us and looking out for our best interests and the people whom they represent. Hopefully voting is all that will be necessary, but there is a lot of damage by people not elected as well. Obamas czars and administrators have been given way too much power and equal congressional law with their decrees. They also need to be reigned in.
Posted by: 1776Federalist at August 10, 2010 11:23 AM (cQhQZ)
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"So who, with as much precision as possible, are the fans of revolution wanting to kill?" Ken
I do you want to kill anyone and I do not think this is a revolution but instead a restoration.
"How about open counter-revolutionaries -- people who openly oppose the revolution? Is it the firing squad for them?" Ken
Again not revolution but restoration and no firing squads but actions taken to fulfill an oath I took and am still duty bound to exercise ...
"I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
5 U.S.C. §3331"
"Is anyone who is cheering the concept of revolution willing to stand up and specify who is going to be killed?" Ken
I do not know about cheering the concept but I will oppose any who they themselves by their actions oppose the rule of law. The law of this land is the US Constitution, period.
Posted by: GWpart2 at August 11, 2010 10:18 AM (BwND/)
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There are is a lot more to the laws of the USA than just the constitution. The constitution gives authority to states, US Codes, the president, you name it.
If you pick and choose you're just a criminal. Headed for jail or the gas chamber, eventually.
Posted by: Steve at August 11, 2010 11:51 AM (pQYM9)
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And there's nothing in the constitution that says the nation HAS to have one economic system or another. Capitolism and socialism are economic systems, not political systems.
Sweden for example, is a socialist democracy,
who enjoys more freedoms than the US. The US has always had a mix of both systems. Over the past 10 years we've leaned more towards capitalism. To the joy of the ruling class and the detriment of the working class.
Posted by: Steve at August 11, 2010 11:57 AM (pQYM9)
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"possible revolution"
Go ahead, I dare you. Don't forget a lot of progressives are combat hardened and we also own guns. So, you think you want to commit treason against our country? Go ahead I dare you. Our military would mop you up like a puddle of pee.
Posted by: karma at August 11, 2010 12:10 PM (W13Jg)
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Geez! What a whiner. Out of power for less than two years and you are already willing to kick over the checkerboard and call the entire game a fraud.
In America we vote for representatives. Sometimes your guy gets enough votes and wins an election. Sometimes he doesn't. That's the way it's supposed to work.
I'm sick of this minority of the US population crying foul because they only get their way most of the time, but not all of the time. You got NAFTA! You got two wars! You got ICE agents rounding up illegals! And there still isn't gay marriage! You got the Citizens United ruling helping you out! You got Gitmo! You haven't had any tax increases, either! And, we are still dependent on oil! Our public schools are still underfunded! And real wages are still falling for the lower 95%, while the upper 5% are earning even bigger salaries! Unions are on the decline, while the investing class has more power than ever! Conservatives are getting just about everything they've asked for.
So what are you complaining about? The ball has bounced in your favor for a long time. And just because some moderates are having their day in the sun..... you want to end the United States!
I'm sick of hearing conservatives complain. They compare the life we live to the Holocaust! They compare it to the Gulag! They compare it to life under Mugabe! But if you talked to people that actually lived through these events, there is NO comparison to be made.
Posted by: blarf at August 11, 2010 01:13 PM (avKEm)
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Confederate Yankee,
If you would like another civil war in this country, please commence...this time, however, we will NOT allow you back into the United States Of America...and this time, your beating will be worse than it was in the 1800's.
Posted by: MakeANoise at August 11, 2010 01:53 PM (5ovBT)
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I'm glad to find out that there are so many cancervative christian patriots who are ready to kill people while burning down the country they love.
And you say all the violence comes from the left? When?
Posted by: ChristianLibrul at August 11, 2010 08:44 PM (Kn5Ro)
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Pamela, I really don't care what you and the rest of the Copperheads think about me. You see, I've actually read American history and I know that an American's Founding Father is an Englishman's traitor. George Washington wasn't called the "Father of his Country" in General Cornwallis' officers mess.
Posted by: SDN at August 15, 2010 09:01 AM (V22gQ)
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Worse Than the Klan: Exposing the Real Sherrods
Far from being an advocate for black farmers, Charles and Shirley Sherrod abused them mercilessly, treating them in ways that the most ardent racists would have found appalling (h/t/ Instapundit).
The swirling controversy over the racist dismissal of Shirley Sherrod from her USDA post has obscured her profoundly oppositional behavior toward black agricultural workers in the 1970s. What most of Mrs. Sherrod’s supporters are not aware of is the elitist and anti-black-labor role that she and fellow managers of New Communities Inc. (NCI) played. These individuals under-paid, mistreated and fired black laborers–many of them less than 16 years of age–in the same fields of southwest Georgia where their ancestors suffered under chattel slavery.
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entire article. It is short and to the point, and exposes Charles and Shirley Sherrod as monsters more than willing to play the race card to exploiting what they might have called "their own kind," for both power and profit.
No wonder she made such a perfect speaker for today's NAACP...
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Perhaps lancing the boil of this deep infection in the American Black soul will go further toward real healing than all the encounter groups foisted upon us by the left.
Posted by: Judith at August 03, 2010 01:07 PM (6wuLW)
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A Nation on the Edge of Revolt
Ernest S. Christian and Gary A. Roberts wonder aloud whether the power grabs of the Obama Administration and the ruling class mentality of entrenched Democrat and Republican political machines will lead to a second Revolutionary War.
I'll lay it out bluntly for you; either the American people—not extremists, but good and decent patriots like your neighbors and yourselves—will revolt and destroy the ruling class and reform our government based upon first principles, or the United States we know as our forefather conceived it is dead.
I do not state this as hyperbole. I do not state this to incite violence. I state this as nothing more or less than an observation of both history and current events. While we are a relatively young nation, our government is the oldest on the planet. Since our founders met in Philadelphia, the French have gone through five republics. Every nation in Europe, Africa, Asia, South America and North America has seen governments rise and fall, but our resilient democratic republic, the "Great Experiment," has soldiered on.
All cultures and governments, however, rot. This inevitably comes from inside, as a cancer. Our politicians view the people as rubes and subjects, and treat them as such. They imagine themselves a ruling class that exists for their own edification, at the expense of the nation as a whole.
When nations reach this point, they either collapse, or the people reform or replace their governments.
We have arrived at that time. Reform increasingly seems to be a fleeting option. Republicans and Democrats differ only in how they plan to loot the public coffers. Our present Congress and Administration are merely more transparent in their corruption and disdain than their predecessors.
Our would-be ruling class has abandoned the principles that founded this nation. They are attempting to establish a state of affairs where the people serve the government and the government determines your success or failure. Corruption no longer matters. Sovereignty no longer matters. The rule of law no longer matters.
They have won in a bloodless coup.
Or so they would like you to think.
Whether they actually win or not depends upon how much you love your family and your nation and the principles that made this nation great. Our founders themselves believed in the right of revolt, and knew better than any of us that governments must be replaced from time to time. They were wise enough to provide us with a constitutional framework that will outlast any government, including this one. We can dispose of this government, and restore the Constitution that has served us and the rest of the world so well for so long.
We stand at the brink.
We are on the right side of history. Our would-be rulers, fat on self-appointed largesse and drunk on their own purloined power, imagine us subjects, not free men and women.
Revolution is a brutish, nasty business. Innocents will fall along with patriots and the corrupt, and success is not assured.
In a letter to James Warren in 1789, Samuel Adams foresaw our current state.
A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.
The question for you, my fellow Americans, is simple.
Will you fight, or will you surrender your liberties?
I pray for peace.
But I prepare for war.
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On August 27th, 1974, I took an oath to protect the Constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. As far as I am concerned, no one has released me from that oath, and although I've grayed considerably since 1974, I am ready to continue to fulfill that oath.
Like you, I pray for peace, but am prepared for war.
Posted by: GrAy Wolf at July 31, 2010 10:54 AM (WgKkU)
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Funny that when Bush and the Republicans were doubling the national debt, trampling civil liberties, and making up reasons to invade sovereign nations there were no Tea Parties and no talk of “revolution.”
Now, all of a sudden you’ve reached the breaking point and America as we know it is finished unless the government is overthrown. I’ll ask you the same question I ask every TPer griping about out-of-control spending and having their constitutional rights taken away.
Where were you for 8 years?
Posted by: Desperado at July 31, 2010 12:23 PM (kEnIx)
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"Whether they actually win or not depends upon how much you love your family and your nation and the principles that made this nation great."
It is actually much more simple. Whether they win or not depends on whether the people of the United States continue to vote for the stooges of the Democratic and Republican parties. Freedom and independence today begins with freedom and independence from the Democratic and Republican party machines, from the tyranny of the two-party state and the duopoly system of government.
Have no doubt, the Democratic and Republican Parties, the political class as such, are literally at war with the people of the United States. They have been for some time. It is no coincidence that so many millions of Americans are locked up in cages; that more and more everyday behaviors are criminalized year after year; that the police state is becoming ever more corrupt and ever more powerful; that we are under constant surveillance etc.
Posted by: d.eris at July 31, 2010 12:45 PM (q2/eU)
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Most people on the left are incapable of comprehending simple English.
"Ernest S. Christian and Gary A. Roberts wonder aloud whether the power grabs of the Obama Administration and the ruling class mentality of entrenched Democrat and Republican political machines will lead to a second Revolutionary War."
Emphasis added for the benefit of our lefty friend.
Posted by: flenser at July 31, 2010 12:47 PM (UaR+X)
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poor "desperado"..... still trying to blame everything on Bush.
its so sad when a one trick pony comes up lame.
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 31, 2010 12:55 PM (d1FhN)
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Ironically, I read the same IBD article last night, and it put me deep in thought. My wife could not miss the sober expression on my face afterwards and asked what was wrong, and all I could do is shake my head.
Your post today encapsulated the same sad realization I had last night. Revolution against both ruling parties is no longer a matter of IF; it is a matter of WHEN. And the WHEN is likely sooner than any of us could possibly anticipate.
Posted by: AtticusNC at July 31, 2010 01:58 PM (YRXrx)
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Desparado summates the problem that we have. A good number of Americans do not realize that the effort to change our government back to the original concept began in the 70's. Since we have had a sucession of presidents and Congress's that have been variably responsive to the will of the majority. Bush was not a conservative and really did get us into a considerable amount of difficulty. But Obama is clearly trying to destroy the country, and succeeding. I don't think November will help, and desparado, this in no longer a game. People are serious and willing to sacrifice everything to restore our freedom.
Posted by: David at July 31, 2010 02:08 PM (OznaX)
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I'm sorry. The question is NOT "Will you fight, or will you surrender your liberties?"
We have surrendered our liberties. They are gone. (For those that appear not to be gone, see recent legislation and the backlog of regulations yet to be promulgated.)
The question is, "We will we put up candidates (and elect them) willing and able to use the tiny foot-holds left to overthrow the masters we have installed??
Posted by: Larry Sheldon at July 31, 2010 02:20 PM (mMcLI)
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Seriously though... where were you guys during the Bush years? Because whatever you think of Obama, Bush was doing at least as bad or worse, and most people on your side of the fence were cheering him on the whole time. Can you really blame the rest of us, moderates and liberals alike, from thinking that just maybe this whole thing is a put on? It's easy to claim that you're against anyone who expands government and increases debt, but you didn't even try to do a damn thing about it until your opposition came into power.
Anyway, the really nice thing about our government is that you don't need a military revolution to change things. If enough people agree with you, or if you can convince them, you can take power in a clean, orderly fashion, and make all the changes you want. Given that this hasn't happened, I'm curious what you think the result of a coup would be. Once you throw all the current politicians in jail, what do you think would stop people from voting for an equally corrupt or inept group to replace them? Or are you planning to rule by military dictatorship for a while, and do away with that pesky "voting" thing?
We have free elections, a press that's free for the most part (certainly more free than it was a couple hundred years ago), and a populace that is one of the most educated and well-informed on the planet, both now and throughout history. We're basically as close as humans have come to direct self-governance. Just because your side isn't in control doesn't mean that government is some evil group of scheming egomaniacs. They're the people we elected to run the country. They are literally an extension of our collective will, empowered by our votes to use their best judgment and make the decisions they're making. If you don't like it you're welcome to try to educate people or convince them of your views, but frankly, to talk with any seriousness of armed revolution is disgusting. You're openly supporting violent takeover because you don't like how the majority of people in the country voted a couple years back. What gives you the moral standing to say that your preference is more valid than theirs, or to forcibly replace it? Absolutely sickening. I'm ashamed to share a country with you.
Posted by: TMN at July 31, 2010 02:21 PM (8zuia)
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Wow. I'm not at ALL prepared for war. We just blew off all of my shells shooting skeet. Plus, they weren't even game load.
Posted by: Kevin at July 31, 2010 02:24 PM (GKXDW)
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And by the way. Wasting any more energy on crap like "Funny that when Bush and the Republicans were...."
That is not even nonsense.
This is not a Republicans versus Democrats thing.
This is a progressive socialist totalitarian (of which Bush among others is a reasonable example) versus a fondness for freedom and liberty (I wish I had access to the word "libertarian), but I don't---it too has been spoiled) thing.
Posted by: Larry Sheldon at July 31, 2010 02:25 PM (mMcLI)
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And if you think you have an argument for "Republicans versus Democrats), let me ask you to count the number of Bush policies, programs, and edicts that Obama has embraced and count the number that he has set aside, and report the difference.
No comment about any of them individually, just a number--positive if the latter is greater, negative if the former is.
Posted by: Larry Sheldon at July 31, 2010 02:28 PM (mMcLI)
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I'll agree this has nothing to do with Republicans and Democrats when someone can point me to one thread in this blog talking about the need for a revolution prior to Obama.
Posted by: Jim at July 31, 2010 03:50 PM (7EVtA)
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I'm sure if Bush went as far left as Obama by doing his best Chavez imitation by taking over the auto industry, banks, and now health care you'd probably have read lots of anti Bush threads here.
But back on topic, when half the population is sucking off the government then we've already given up our freedoms. They aren't going to vote to get our freedoms back, they just want their "free" money.
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at July 31, 2010 04:10 PM (MxQFN)
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A liitle tired of "well Bush did this" and "tea partiers are that". Why don't ya'll grow up. The jerk in the WH now is the mosr devisive, arrogant incompetent clown ever elected surpassing even Carter. He along with the other elitists now sitting are pushing you as hard as they can, daring you to react. Why? Simple. Start trouble and Obama can enact martial law and remain "king". Having said that I took the oath also and am prepared and hoping if the staus quo doesn't change in November change will be forthcoming.
Posted by: A Nobody at July 31, 2010 04:15 PM (fEnA4)
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TMN
The people who revolted in the First Revolution were likewise in the minority.
Those who were content to serve their masters adapted quite well to liberty.
Me personally? I have not changed in ten years my stance on freedom. I screamed just as loud against dead-elephant party president Bush, FYI.
Pick your side now.
Posted by: Justin at July 31, 2010 04:46 PM (ciAaQ)
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If anyone would take the time to look at the polls, they would find that at least 70% of the American people do not agree with the direction our government has taken over the last few decades. The problem is that our system is broken. The will of the majority, particularly the paying majority is not being heard or inacted. I just returned from Europe and can assure you that the world is waiting for November. If things don't change significantly, then you can expect violence.
Posted by: David at July 31, 2010 05:09 PM (OznaX)
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I am tired of this where were you when Bush (pick your point) I can tell you that the militias started ramping up under Bush and I will bet most of us have never accepted the need for the patriate act among others. But really it does not matter. Both parties stink! the system has failed before either got into office. The question now remains when will the system be changed. Pick a side or one will be forced on you. Nothing is left but to rebuild. The only question is how will it be rebuilt and what will it look like on the other side....
Posted by: s4r at July 31, 2010 05:42 PM (u0FmQ)
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Thank you, TMN. We have a chance to “overthrow” the government every 2, 4, or 6 years, They’re called elections. Just because you lost the last one doesn’t mean it’s time to take up arms.
What a bunch of sore losers.
Posted by: Desperado at July 31, 2010 05:59 PM (P+n6w)
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Our votong system is so will control that we can not win at the polls. It will take an over throw of the present system and from from all the people I visited with don't have the balls They are to interested who on the sport page.What a decoy they got all the masses into. Neil
Posted by: Neil` at July 31, 2010 06:05 PM (4UCrR)
Posted by: Sirkowski at July 31, 2010 06:07 PM (UUOoq)
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Seriously though... where were you guys during the Bush years? Because whatever you think of Obama, Bush was doing at least as bad or worse
Seriously though, what will it take for you guys on the left to learn to read? This is an attack on the Ruling Class, not on your precious Obama.
We have free elections, a press that's free for the most part
There's the problem. A lot of Dems (not all) support the Ruling Class, and see themselves as part of it.
Regardless of which so-called "party" has power, the government does what it wants and not what the American people want. I'd think you lefties would get this - after all, your Big Issues used to be Gitmo, wiretapping, ending the war in Iraq, scrapping Bush's tax cuts. The fact that the Dems in power have done a U-turn on all these issues should bother intelligent lefty voters.
Posted by: flenser at July 31, 2010 07:10 PM (UaR+X)
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Ever noticed how many Canadian lefties troll American political blogs? It's quite remarkable.
Posted by: flenser at July 31, 2010 07:17 PM (UaR+X)
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Si vis pacem, para bellum.
The ruling class is far from importing a permanent voting majority in the shape of the tax takers -- granting amnesty to those who broke into our country will seal the fate of this Nation.
The top five percent of income earners in this country pays the majority of the taxes -- but casts five percent of the vote. This is unsustainable.
I will fight.
Posted by: Jim at July 31, 2010 07:21 PM (NxbSJ)
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"someone can point me to one thread in this blog talking about the need for a revolution"
A while back, some Che loving Liberals were here commenting that they wanted to murder everyone that didn't agree with them. They even promised me that they would kill me last. Those might have been the same Libs who gloated about being canibals. Remember them? 52% remember?
I personally think that bloody revolutions are to be avoided if possible.
I'll look for it. I love teaching lessons.
Posted by: brando at July 31, 2010 08:25 PM (9eRs4)
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I found one! Che in full effect. Those Libs had mental problems. One even thought I was commenting from space! I couldn't talk em out of it, no matter how hard I tried.
http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/254592.php#Scene_1
Posted by: brando at July 31, 2010 08:43 PM (9eRs4)
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Desperado, what an uninformed nitwit you are. Since when do elections change anything? Did the election in 2008 end the Iraq War? How about the war in Afghanistan? The revolt is coming, and it is coming against ALL politicians. Obama has pushed the people over the edge. We are all now aware of his deceit, how he ran as a moderate but has governed from the far left. The American people are not a far-left people, anymore than they are far-right. We need balance. We need debate and serious consideration of the right thing to do, not sleazy quick power grabs. No more partisanship and cheap lies, telling us you're doing one thing while actually doing another.
The pols need to be afraid of the people. They need to understand that their livelihoods are in danger if they don't do our will. The rule of government lies in OUR hands, not theirs.
As a proud Virginian, I stand with Patrick Henry: Give me liberty, or give me death. Sic semper tyrannis.
Posted by: KSterling at July 31, 2010 08:43 PM (XE19V)
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The people who revolted in the First Revolution were likewise in the minority.
Those who were content to serve their masters adapted quite well to liberty.
That's a completely faulty comparison, because the first American revolution was against a monarchy, and in favor of a democracy. I'm still waiting to hear what system you want in place at the end of your takeover -- if it's another democracy, what do you solve through bloodshed? If it's something else... well, we can discuss that once you provide a straight answer.
Posted by: TMN at July 31, 2010 09:13 PM (8zuia)
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Obama has governed from the far left? Now who’s uninformed. A far left president would have brought all the troops home immediately, nationalized the banks, and insisted on single-payer health care. Obama did none of these. In fact, he went out of his way to compromise with Republicans and alienated his base in doing so.
Sic semper tyrannis? Isn’t that what John Wilkes Booth shouted after he shot Lincoln?
Posted by: Desperado at July 31, 2010 09:16 PM (cOvao)
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A far left president would have brought all the troops home immediately, nationalized the banks, and insisted on single-payer health care. Obama did none of these. In fact, he went out of his way to compromise with Republicans
It's almost like you're agreeing that there is no real difference between the "two parties", that they constitute a "Ruling Class" with no interest in taking input from the voters. In other words, you're agreeing with Owens.
Posted by: flenser at July 31, 2010 09:29 PM (UaR+X)
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the first American revolution was against a monarchy, and in favor of a democracy. I'm still waiting to hear what system you want in place at the end of your takeover -- if it's another democracy
We don't have a democracy now, we have the outward trappings of a democracy with none of its substance. The government pursues its own constant course regardless of which party is in control. All the real power has been shifted to people the public can't vote out - bureaucrats and judges. Power hates accountability.
Posted by: flenser at July 31, 2010 09:36 PM (UaR+X)
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World English Dictionary definition: "Sedition: incitement of discontent or rebellion against a government"
Pretty much defines the behaviour of every parasite lefty "activist" group for the last 40 years. From ANSWER (front for the Revolutionary Communist Party)and BAMN - By Any Means Necessary - to the pig-butt stupid "anti-globalization" pisants throwing bricks through Seattle storefronts and overturning police cars. Not to mention the Jackass in Chief telling his drooling parasite minions to "Get in their face".
In the US of A, our Government is DEFINED BY, and has its powers LIMITED BY the Constitution. Notwithstanding the lobotomized botox queen shrieking "ARE YOU SERIOUS? ARE YOU SERIOUS?.
God Damn right we're serious. The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land, and the folks discussing their willingness to defend the Constitution are, by definition, Patriots.
Snarky parasites who aren't clear on the concept shouldn't use words that are better applied to themselves and their nazi masters.
And a note to the dip stick with the "where were you for the last 8 years" comment:
1) I was supporting Democrats until they finally crossed the line into SUBVERSION and TREASON by bypassing, undermining, re-defining and otherwise ignoring the Constitution.
2) Bush was elected in November 2000. That is TEN years ago. Not eight. You shouldn't even have to use your toes to grasp that number.
3) For crying out loud, next time you connect to the Hive Mind at Socialist-Nazi-DNC Central, download a new phrase. One sentence propaganda chants get really tedious when repeated word for word by the teeming "progressive" lemming horde. The phrase was stupid the first time we heard it.
Heh. That was fun.
Posted by: CFM at July 31, 2010 09:56 PM (1N8nO)
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We don't have a democracy now, we have the outward trappings of a democracy with none of its substance. The government pursues its own constant course regardless of which party is in control. All the real power has been shifted to people the public can't vote out - bureaucrats and judges. Power hates accountability.
1) Judges at the highest level have always been appointed rather than voted for. It's intentional, and designed to make sure they aren't subject to rapid shifts and political maneuvering. However, it's completely false to say that we have no control over this, as they're appointed by people we elect. Which brings me to
2) Bureaucrats are also appointed by people we elect, and unlike judges can be fired pretty much at will.
So yes, you don't get to vote for them directly. You do get to vote for the guy that appoints them. So yet again I'm going to ask, if you don't agree with the guys we all voted for last time around, what makes you think you'd agree any more with the guys we vote for after the revolution?
Oh, and to claim that judges and bureaucrats hold all the power is ludicrous. Congress and the President still make the laws. If you don't like the laws they're making, get together enough people to vote them out. It sounds like a lot less work than armed revolt, and a lot more sane as well.
Posted by: TMN at July 31, 2010 11:08 PM (8zuia)
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Judges at the highest level have always been appointed rather than voted for.
Judges at the highest level used to stick to the law and not interfere in political decisions.
Congress and the President still make the laws.
Congress made laws making illegal immigration illegal. The President (regardless of party) does not enforce that law.
Often Congress and the President promise one thing on the campaign trail and deliver the opposite in office. For instance, Obama was against the individual mandate until he got elected, and then was for it.
to claim that judges and bureaucrats hold all the power is ludicrous
When the peoples elected representatives pass law which the Ruling Class does not like, there are two ways those laws are gutted. One is for the courts to strike them down on some pretext, the other is for bureaucrats to undermine them if they do become law. In many cases judges literally make the law - does Roe ring any bells?
Bureaucrats are also appointed by people we elect, and unlike judges can be fired pretty much at will.
Yes, I remember how the left supported Bush when he fired a bunch of bureaucrats.
Posted by: flenser at August 01, 2010 01:17 AM (UaR+X)
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"It's almost like you're agreeing that there is no real difference between the "two parties", that they constitute a "Ruling Class" with no interest in taking input from the voters. In other words, you're agreeing with Owens."
Not at all. Just pointing out that Obama is not “far left,” he's a moderate Democrat. There is a difference between the parties. Republicans, by and large, look out for the upper 2% of our society. There are Democrats, though not enough for me, who still care about the middle-class and working people. The recent debate over unemployment benefits made this clear, as does the Republicans desire to extend all the Bush tax cuts.
Posted by: Desperado at August 01, 2010 01:18 AM (5HZMy)
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Wow. I hated Bush II even more than Bush I and Reagan combined. And yet in all those years I never seriously considered sedition, because I have some faith in the American system.
Yet here a moderate Democrat president (not socialist enough for my tastes, but you can't always get what you want) incites CY to pick up his carbine and wave the flag of rebellion. Good luck with that.
Posted by: Black Bart at August 01, 2010 03:04 AM (1NF06)
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The comments of the Statist trolls have one common theme; none of what's happening to the country is fast enough for them. They are so full of hate for this country and what it has provided them (the ones who are actually Americans anyhow), that they cheer on a charismatic demagogue and his syncophants as they try to take control of every aspect of our lives.
The spending of GW Bush took the country on a slow roll down the wrong path. (Why were his approval ratings so low, Marxists? There aren't that many of your kind in this country even though you'd like to believe otherwise. Those numbers represent the Tea Party and other people you like to denigrate as not caring about the issue).
Obama took over, and instead of slowing things down, he mashed the gas down and took us toward the cliff at an even faster pace. If GW Bush was the irresponsible teenager who got hold of mom and dad's credit cards for a spending spree, Obama represents the teenager who doubled down by selling the cars, emptying the savings and mortgaging the house.
Posted by: iaimtomisbehave at August 01, 2010 06:01 AM (gSAHk)
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Great post, and that's how I live, prepared!
Desperado, MANY and I mean MANY of us were doing a lot of bitching about GW's and the DEMOCRAT congress doing damage...BUT it took the straw on the camel so to speak and the Healthcare debacle was in large part it. We have woken up, when will you?
Posted by: Robert at August 01, 2010 06:17 AM (Cpkks)
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For the few here advocating changing the system, I think you misspeak. What most are advocating is changing the direction.
For the liberals here trying to advocate moving us further toward socialism or communism, Good luck. That direction is the issue. Obama and the far left Dem leadership and law making/dialog are the catalyst for the serious level of anger.
What will make the difference, is a change (huge) in the Congressional makeup. Change a handful of laws restricting access by the monied groups to the Congress critters. And finally, change the tax structure so that everyone has a stake in the Government's decisions.
There's nothing in that set that's revolutionary, BUT IF THEY CAN NOT BE ACCOMPLISHED WE WILL BE ON A REVOLUTIONARY TRACK.
Change the direction not the system!
Posted by: CoRev at August 01, 2010 07:46 AM (0U8Ob)
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To the "blame Bush" sycophants, I have a few questions:
Which sixth of the national economy did Bush nationalize?
Which two major manufacturing companies did Bush nationalize?
Which quarter of American oil and natural gas production did Bush shut down?
"Release the crickets."
Posted by: Dave at August 01, 2010 10:46 AM (RlKPQ)
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'Desperado' comments, above: "The recent debate over unemployment benefits made this clear, as does the Republicans desire to extend all the Bush tax cuts."
What we working fools need, 'Desperado', is JOBS, not unemployment 'benefits'. JOBS come from investment. Investment happens when you refrain from taxing into oblivion those with the money to invest.
Here is another way to look at it, 'Desperado'. It does us working fools a lot more good if 'Joe the Plumber' invests his money in a business than it does if President 'Robin Hood' Obama takes Joe's wealth and 'spreads it around'.
Anyone who is pro-worker is also pro-JOBS. JOBS is what we need, not crocodile tears from you and others like you who pretend to have our interests at heart. Take your pathetic offer of 'benefits' with you when you are thrown onto the ash heap of history. We don't need or want your charity. We want JOBS.
Posted by: David Davies at August 01, 2010 03:28 PM (mzr8V)
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Well gee whiz, where was Code Pink and its allies back when Clinton was dropping bombs on Serbs? Two can play the facile "oh yeah, where was...when" game.
For one thing, there was plenty of agitation in conservative circles about Bush. That you were unaware of it does nothing to delegitimize the concerns now raised by the Tea Party groups. If Bush was nationalizing entire swaths of the economy, proposing new energy taxes and allowing income tax rates to revert to higher levels during a severely weakened economy, twisting the Commerce Clause to mean Congress can now mandate economic activity simply because you are drawing a breath, transitioning into a static economy of state-backed enterprises through permanent "too big to fail" bureaucracies, and so on, then yeah the Tea Party movement might have become visible a few years early. But it wasn't Bush. It's your Sun King doing all this, so I guess it's he who gets to inherit the sh*t storm.
Posted by: MissAnthropy at August 01, 2010 08:17 PM (HbwdI)
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Ah yes, David. The old trickle-down theory. Cut taxes on the rich and they will create jobs. So explain this?
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/
Posted by: Desperado at August 01, 2010 10:56 PM (c0eOx)
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"Obama is not 'far left,' he's a moderate Democrat."
Wrong. He is far-left; he's merely doing as much as he thinks he can at this time.
And why do you put 'far left' in quotes? Do you not believe there is any such thing?
Posted by: pst314 at August 02, 2010 11:09 AM (OA547)
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Desperado,
I don't think you understand what is going on. No one is debating issues. I am glad that you surf the net and find tables of data that don't really have much meaning. It is clear, if you take Economics 101, that the government does not create jobs and that it is a negative factor in all respects. Most of the people that I know would employee more if the government would get out of the way.
But as I said, no one wants to argue those issues as they don't have any bearing at this point. The main issue we are confronted with is changing the structure and direction of our government. From what I gather in reading other sites and the mood of those around me, we are looking at a very dramatic change. Time will tell.
But keep trolling, maybe you will accidently learn something.
Posted by: David at August 02, 2010 11:50 AM (OznaX)
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Don't carer whqatr Bush did or did not do. It's the heads of the left I want.
Posted by: Odins Acolyte at August 02, 2010 11:50 AM (brIiu)
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"Ah yes, David. The old trickle-down theory. Cut taxes on the rich and they will create jobs. So explain this?"
Ye Desperado, I can count on one hand the construction jobs I've recieved from hose poor folks out there. If that rich guy doesn't decide that e needs a remodel on a kitchen, roof, bathroom because your ilk decided to raise his already high tax rate then I don't get to do that work which translates into my employees not working either so they hurt, can't buy that appliance needed or feed their children.
Economics n Ameica has always been that "trickle down" type which built the greatest nation on Earth in the shortest time frame in history.
Simopler explainations here: http://www.doczero.org/2010/06/a-world-without-profit/
Posted by: warpmine at August 02, 2010 12:38 PM (G7WNW)
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Way to go, TMN, keep it coming.
Most of these cats wouldn't know a real revolution if it came to their house and shot them in the face. They don't know anything civil war or the meaning of the world "coup." They've spent their entire lives living in the warm embrace of a powerful, stable nation. They've never known anything else.
They know they like their guns, and they have some vague sense that their guns will help them in a time of social chaos, but they've never used their guns in that context and they don't really know anyone who has.
Maybe a few folks on here are from other countries and know a real revolution. Maybe there's some Yugoslavs or Liberians who know about revolution.
But the vast majority are bitter O-haters who don't understand the difference between what they don't like and what's evil.
Posted by: beetroot at August 02, 2010 03:17 PM (4aH0i)
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To those lefty commenters who do not think those of us who have guns know how to use them. Lest you forget, many of us served this country in the military. Some of us spend a bit of time at the range honing our skills. Many of us do understand the difference between what we do not like (socialism) and evil. Obama is evil. He has used lies to advance his evil agenda. He does not follow our laws and he is unqualified for the job he holds. By the way, does anyone know the difference between a naturalized, natural and natural born citizen? Obama, by definition is a natural citizen. It is not about where he was born but the citizenship of his parents. His dad was a British citizen.
Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at August 02, 2010 07:09 PM (bZKSE)
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Reading Machiavelli's Discources regarding a corrupt people is useful, since people haven't changed much at all since his day. The Democrats represent the extreme in corruption that Machiavelli described in this discourse. By mouthing platitudes about standing for the poor and middle class while double-dealing themselves into vast wealth and power, the left is the epitomy of corruption.
Statists (socialists, communists, fascists, nazis) live for the hope of tyranny--and being in charge. Obama, and his coterie of leftie kooks and outright racists, believes that the only answer is more government. In their feeble minds, the elite always have the right answer for everyone. Never mind that humans always look out for themselves and that the elite always hate true liberty for individuals. Of course, the personal benefits (wealth, power, status) are just reward for knowing the "right" path.
So it is time to be ready to risk life, property, and sacred honor. The federal government under the left is moving to eliminate competing power bases in the states as well as removing as much individual liberty as possible. Power-addicted ciphers like Obama want everyone to depend upon the federal government for all the crumbs that dribble to their plates. Now that is real trickle-down economics!
But things never happen abruptly until past the tipping point. I do not believe we are there yet. The USA still only has 20% or so internal enemies who would subvert the Constitution and our Republic in order to create their Fifth Reich. Or, in Machiavelli's parlance, only 20% or so of our people are corrupt and cannot be trusted to keep liberty alive. There are more people who oppose their lies and treason, so there is still hope.
There will be some violence as the thug arm (Acorn, SEIU, La Raza, New Black Panther, Nation of Islam, etc., etc.) of the leftists attempt to intimidate the USA into accepting the tyranny of statism and tribal politics. But that is just the way it has to be.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." Ronald Reagan
Posted by: iconoclast at August 02, 2010 09:13 PM (MZd0C)
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Desperado says: "Ah yes, David. The old trickle-down theory."
No. The question, from the point of view of the poor working fool, is how best to make use of the rich guy's money. We could have some of you Obama-drones show up at his door with government guns and just take it from him. And then hope that some of it 'trickles' down to us in the form of table scraps from the gorging government hogs. Or, we could encourage him to put that money to work, providing new products (or better old products) and creating the need for employees. JOBS, that is. More than 'trickle-down' benefits, which you think will make us forget that everything Obama has done is a JOB killer.
Posted by: David Davies at August 02, 2010 09:57 PM (mzr8V)
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This topic sure got a lot of folks fired up. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out our country is in dire trouble. Progressives have held power in both parties for a long time. Why would a millionair want to spend a fortune for a job that pays squat. Not to mention being bored to tears in congress. Makes one think. Why has the govt helped end manufacturing in this country? We the little people need desperately to get involved. I know, I have kids to raise and the last thing I want is a shooting war with my own government. But.... if it happens I wont back down either. My forefathers didnt.
Posted by: capt26thga at August 02, 2010 10:09 PM (O9uSx)
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Bob/CY
I would like to ask you a question and do not need/require a personal reply, just answer here or perhaps better a reply in new post.
I've read you for a number of months (years) primarily because you have been a 'level head' or a 'voice of reason' even re. other conservative blogs; and, here, once before - you said the time was not now.
the question: What has changed your mind? What event or piece of information has happened or transpired that has moved the hands of the clock of destiny closer to midnight? What has changed your mind that you now "advise" us to: "prepare for war"?
(for the vets here my oath was on 17JUL1968, my father's 31JAN1943)
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And John Galt stands by, approving.
Posted by: SInner at August 03, 2010 12:18 PM (U/yZ+)
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I can think of at least three "bloodless coups" in the past 15 years.
- SCOTUS ruling in Bush v. Gore
- Clinton impeachment
- Gray Davis recall
Posted by: Burt F at August 03, 2010 12:18 PM (7ZF3o)
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The revolution that's needed is not violent. The revolution we need is a return to the forgotten principles which used to ensure our liberty.
Nullification, interposition and reclaiming usurped sovereignty by the states.
civil disobedience & jury nullification by the people.
One thing is sure. The answer to our problem does not lie in Washington, DC.
The states and the people can put Washington back into its cage, peacefully, if we do it together.
Posted by: scp at August 03, 2010 11:45 PM (Y7x43)
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"And now let us consider the case of the rich, industrialized and democratic society, in which, owing to the random but effective practice of dysgenics, IQ's and physical vigor are on the decline. For how long can such a society maintain its traditions of individual liberty and democratic government? Fifty or a hundred years from now our children will learn the answer to this question."
Aldous Huxley, 1958
another prediction, i thought you might like it
Posted by: supermelon928 at August 03, 2010 11:54 PM (AujaY)
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I hate the liberal elite that tries to "save lives" and "save starving children". Not even a couple of hundred people starve to death in this country every year. Should we worry about the good of the community? or should we let the strong be strong .. I say we hold on to our stereotypes and fight any kind of evolution in human society.
Posted by: george at August 04, 2010 05:11 AM (OyyXd)
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All of my retired military and police friends have been sensing a coming situation. All of them are quietly stocking up and quietly waiting to get through what is coming.
I'm glad I found your blog today!
Posted by: NC_Steve at August 05, 2010 05:09 PM (WQz6V)
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I see two rebel camps - one says that Obama is just like Bush and the system needs to be rebooted. The other camp says that Obama is some sort of secular Anti-Christ. So if the "Anti-Christ" overthrows the government and implements their one-party version of the Bush era, will the "Obama is just like Bush" crowd fight it out with them?
The Civil War was unusual because there were not large scale rebel fratricide. Looks like the rest of us will need extra popcorn for this one.
Posted by: Burford Holly at August 05, 2010 09:35 PM (TO9vv)
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You pretend "patriots" are laughable... whatever you may think of it, it is our democratically elected, constitutional, legitimate government. Why do you morons think you are the only one with guns and the ability to fight? There are millions who are willing to fight for their country against your uprising and put you down like dogs. And of course, they won't need to because you will be wiped out by the finest, best trained fighting force in the world-- the US military. You are living in a fantasyland and will get dropped in your tracks. But at least your ends will make good, if gruesome, headlines.
Posted by: trupatriot at August 06, 2010 01:19 AM (oNp/K)
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I am having a dificult time understanding the solutions raised for both points of view. I'm a southerner, a christian, a Graduate Economist w/ Political Science co-major and a former Marine.. I've given up on trying to understand the reasoning behind the socialist leaning liberals and I refuse to believe an armed revolt (I am also a Patriot to the Constitution of the United States of America and will be involved should it come to pass) is the only solution the conservatives have left to solve the problem of a President in the White House who has all but forgotten the Constitution. I can't believe it is midnight yet and if we use our heads and enginuity, just maybe, with hard work and organization we can wrest the control of The House from the idiots. Not for the Republicans but the people. I'll wager if there is a large % of the Senate seats taken then some of those Democrats who aren't really far left liberals just may not be so anxious to ride the train of doom with Harry. It'll take work but it probably won't spill blood. After the taking (we are going to take back the House and a large majority of the contested Senate seats) the hard task will be reviving the goose that lays the golden egg (as someone aforementioned, return the trickle down). It is not beyond repair yet, but , the clown is trying hard to get it FUBAR. I have faith in the goodness of the majority of the peoples of these United States and I don't believe the overwhelming majority will sit idly by and drink any more of obama's "kool aid". Voices will rise to a high pitch and some of them will listen.. Hopefully it will be enough to stem the tide.. Fight the pen and paper fight and the internet fight first, then if no one is listening.............. Saddle up and Semper Fi
Posted by: SliVen33 at August 06, 2010 03:04 AM (8OF3R)
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It's really sad that you people fall for the propaganda your "news" and information" outlets feed you. you've been brainwashed to the point of completely denying reality and creating your own delusional version of it.
Liberals aren't your enemy. Democrats and Republicans are just different flavors of the same puppets. They all work for the top 2% of income earners. Oh sure they give lip service to different groups of supporters. But if you get past the rhetoric and look at the RESULTS of the legislation you'll see that what the Dems pass is actually watered down versions of what they promised and that in actuality their bills favor those people at the top again.
All this talk of letting the tax cuts expire is just that. You watch. They won't let them expire.
Or if they do they'll create enough loopholes to render them useless.
The way I see it the big money guys who really run things want to keep us divided. That way we don't focus on the big problem. The common enemy.
The status quo where money buys whatever law you want.
They shipped all our jobs overseas. They've let the billionaires keep their offshore accts. They've taken all our money and spent it on war and tax cuts for the rich.
and what do we do? Exactly what they want us to do. Fight each other over nothing and ignore them. The corporate media is not our friend.
They keep us divided. It's in their interest.
The top 2 % have decimated the middle class. Stealing several trillion over the past decade and we'll have to pay it back + interest.
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Dilbert Nuked
Like many bloggers, I've toyed with monetizing my blog... though not in any serious way. All the advertising I've ever done is because advertising have gone out of their way to contact me. Within the last week, I was contacted by a new advertiser (very nice folks, actually) and decided to try their flash-based ads.
You hated it. Auto-playing flash-based ads with audio that can't be stopped is apparently not the way to keep your readership happy. Who knew?
Hey...I screwed up. I apologize.
The lure of easy advertising dollars perhaps financing my
next toy blinded me to the annoyance these ads caused you.
I have used and will continue to use
BlogAds and I'm proud to represent both the
Conservative and
Military advertising hives, and encourage you to advertise with them. I've recently partnered with the VAMortgageCenter.com, have always run my share of Google Ads, and have a tip jar for those inclined to use it.
But I'll accept no more auto-playing flash ads with unstoppable audio. That was a bad decision on my part. I won't do that again.
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Thank you...thank you....thank you.........
Posted by: Whiskey Bravo at July 30, 2010 03:48 PM (rRDJl)
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I almost didn't come back because of the ad. Clicked a link and ended up back here - just in time to thank you for realizing and rectifying the error in judgment.
Posted by: Wrella at July 30, 2010 04:35 PM (THOGN)
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I suggest using Firefox with the noscript add-on extension, which blocks all flash from running unless you expressly permit it. Instapundit was loading very slowly for me before I did that. Flash is buggy and unstable in general, best to run it only when you have to.
Posted by: flenser at July 30, 2010 05:21 PM (jMbKZ)
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Wikipedia:
Flash's security record[54] has caused several security experts to recommend to not install Flash or to block it[55]. The US-CERT recommends to block Flash using NoScript[56]. Charlie Miller recommended "not to install Flash"[57] at the computer security conference CanSecWest. As of May 17, 2010, The Flash Player has 77 CVE entries[58], 34 of which have been ranked with a high severity (leading to arbitrary code execution), and 40 ranked medium. In February 2010, Adobe officially apologized[59] for not fixing a known vulnerability for over 1 year. In June 2010 Adobe announced a "critical vulnerability" in recent versions, saying there are reports that this vulnerability is being actively exploited in the wild against both Adobe Flash Player, and Adobe Reader and Acrobat.[60][61]
Symantec's Internet Security Threat Report[62] states that a remote code execution in Adobe Reader and Flash Player[63] was the second most attacked vulnerability in 2009. The same report also recommends to employ browser add-ons wherever possible to disable Adobe Flash Player when visiting untrusted sites. McAfee predicts that Adobe software, especially Reader and Flash, will be the primary target for attacks in 2010[64]. Adobe applications had already become the most popular client-software targets for attackers during the last quarter of 2009[65].
Posted by: flenser at July 30, 2010 05:28 PM (jMbKZ)
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I usually keep my sound muted, but ...
Posted by: Neo at July 30, 2010 05:41 PM (tE8FB)
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Good thing. I intended to stop clicking on your links because of it. I'm glad I forgot and clicked this one on accident.
Posted by: scp at July 30, 2010 05:43 PM (KyDET)
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I agree. Thank You! My laptop is supposed to have a mute button, but, I have not found it.
Maybe the kids hid it. Yea. That's the ticket!
Nice sight BTW. But it is pricey! I hope it works out for you.
Posted by: RoyK at July 30, 2010 06:06 PM (KOYh5)
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RoyK,
Yes, the EoTech is spendy, but has a pretty solid record. I'd probably be just as happy with either this Bushnell or this one among red-dots, and if I go more traditional, this Millet scope.
Now, if I can just find ads that earn $ without annoying you guys...
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at July 30, 2010 07:27 PM (CwGYU)
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Thanks Bob,
I think we should all remember to hit the tip jar occasionally. After all, time is money and we all know you spend a lot valuable time here You're appreciated, as I've reading you since we fought the "Swift Boat Kerry" wars in 2004.
RiverRat Tom
Posted by: RiverRat at July 30, 2010 07:49 PM (Jwh9R)
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Thanks CY - first couple of times it drove me nuts - I couldn't figure out how to stop it. But go for it to make a buck - lord knows you will need all you can get after 12/31/2010.
Posted by: mixitup at July 30, 2010 10:10 PM (Z21cb)
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You didn't do anything wrong.
You tried something that didn't work.
Then you responded to readers who read you for free, and you fixed it.
No problem.
Now, if you'd had some loathsome, distracting, content-obscuring POPUPS that I'd had to expend time and clicks killing, well then we'd a had a problem. But, I wouldn't have dumped you, I'd a come lookin' for you with a coffee cup full of whoop-ass -- but you didn't.
=)
Just good old American entrepreneurial trying, testing, and perfecting was going on, folks. Works for me.
Posted by: Bill Smith at July 30, 2010 10:44 PM (yusoH)
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Ahh, the sweet sound of silence...bless you, Bob.
Posted by: mockmook at July 31, 2010 09:45 AM (5ssRl)
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Happy to "second" Bill Smith's comments -- thanks for being responsive to your readers.
Posted by: Clayton in Mississippi at July 31, 2010 10:06 AM (tlaeS)
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Thanks Bob for listening to your readers. There is a Porsche magazine called "Excellence" and they got into the habit of writing over photos of hillsides with a Porsche on it etc. It was extremely hard to read as many of you know. It's audience is mostly middle aged guys and they got tired of a twenty something with new eyes making the major articles unreadable. So we complained to the editor and he stopped doing it. The lesson is to complain if you LIKE a service so that it will improve. If you don't like it then just leave. BTW I love my EoTech.
Posted by: inspectorudy at July 31, 2010 11:00 AM (KOOZL)
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I'm now seeing Google adds for highly questionable products on your blog as well.
"registry cleaner" (all those are vapourware, many are spyware).
"local labour union" (on a conservative blog?).
Green card "assistence" services (most of them are fraudulent).
Out of 10 Google ads, the only 2 that seem legit are a blood bank (and that one's missspelled, so I have my doubts) and an ad by Monsterboard to use them for searching contract workers.
Posted by: J.T. Wenting at August 01, 2010 05:20 AM (hrLyN)
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Those things were horrible. Thank you,
Posted by: henry at August 02, 2010 09:40 AM (yAzWq)
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THANK YOU! I was just about to say a permanent goodby over the D... things.
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That Sweet, Sweet Scent of Desperation
Steny Hoyer? He haz it:
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said on Wednesday that the expiration built into the Bush tax cuts is a "Republican tax increase" for "working Americans" and the Democrats have "no intention" of allowing it to go into effect.
"We have no intention of allowing the Republican tax increase — that their policies would lead to — to go into effect for working Americans. Period," he said. "We're going to act and make sure that the Republican phase out and increase in taxes does not end as they provided for in the laws they passed."
This is the same Steny Hoyer who said in late June that the Bush cuts
must eventually be rescinded so that Democrats could continue their free-spending ways:
Hoyer also suggested that tax cuts enacted under former President George W. Bush will eventually be rescinded. He said that it is necessary in order to help pay for the nation's mounting deficit and that permanent tax cuts would be too costly.
"As the House and Senate debate what to do with the expiring Bush tax cuts in the coming weeks, we need to have a serious discussion about their implications for our fiscal outlook, including whether we can afford to permanently extend them before we have a real plan for long-term deficit reduction," Hoyer told a forum on deficit reduction.
Is over a month too long ago to consider Hoyer a hypocrite and opportunist? Perhaps his position has "evolved" over time.
If so, it was a short time.
Here is Hoyer a
week ago today.
In a speech on the economy and jobs, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) on Friday reiterated his party's call to extend the Bush middle-class tax cuts and deemed Republicans' call to extend breaks for the wealthy a "mistake [that] would be putting ourselves even deeper into debt."
Hoyer is now and always was against the "Bush tax cuts," a phrase he's uttered like a curse since they were first enacted.
Hoyer's ultimate plan is to raise taxes—or as he says, "raise revenue"— on the middle class, just as soon as it is politically feasible. But he can't raise those taxes if House Democrats get pummeled in the fall.
Steny's terrified, and changing his tune today for one reason, and one reason only.
He can see November from his house.
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Hey, weren't these tax cut "just for the Rich" ? Democrats told me so .. so it's got to be true.
I guess those now in the 10% tax bracket (taxable income
Posted by: Neo at July 30, 2010 12:20 PM (tE8FB)
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Hoyer voted against implementation of the act in 2003 also.
It's funny how a person can be so against something for so long, and then, just like that, change his opinion based on a perceived impending loss of power/status.
But we all know congress critters would never do something as self-serving as that.
Posted by: MikeyJ at July 30, 2010 04:08 PM (T4ASz)
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Keep in mind that House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-ranged) comes from a district of government employees. It doesn't take smarts to keep them electing you.
Posted by: Neo at July 30, 2010 05:40 PM (tE8FB)
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Actually, Steny can see November through his car windows. Driving to DC he can see the myriad of opposition signs that have been evident for several months. Ffor the first time in many years he has opposition that has an excellent chance to unseat him, and he knows it.
I'm sure his polling is telling him how many of his constituents are against him. Oh, and that's regardless of their party affiliation. BTW, I think the next Congressman from the MD 5th district will be black. Charles Lollar.
Posted by: CoRev at July 30, 2010 06:50 PM (0U8Ob)
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And let's not forget that the ONLY reason those tax cuts had that expiration clause is because President Bush didn't have a filibuster proof majority and the Copperheads were perfectly willing to make sure nothing was done with tax cuts, defending the country, etc. unless they got it.
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Nice work, Blutarsky
Administration spokesman Robert Gibbs ranted about Rush Limbaugh and how the government takeover of GM and Chrysler was a good thing, then made the kind of gaffe that we've come to expect from this administration of dunces:
"I'll let those that sat in the cheap seats a year-and-a-half ago and wanted to walk away" from a million workers, he continued, "explain to every one of those workers why they made that decision."
Finally, he wrapped it up: "And then you should ask Mr. Limbaugh — I don't know what kind of car he drives, but I bet it's not an F-150."
Ford, which makes the F-150 pickup, didn't take the bailout, and was the first of the three companies to turn a profit.
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It's 1984 all over again as the WHite House disseminates information for the ignorant masses in ObamaSpeak - a new dystopian language. SHOCKING story at:
http://spnheadlines.blogspot.com/2010/01/press-secretary-will-use_7830.html
Peace! :-)
Posted by: Al Dente at July 30, 2010 09:36 AM (Qat6m)
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some of the most dangerous people in the world are the ones who think they know everything
Posted by: rumcrook¾ at July 30, 2010 10:42 AM (60WiD)
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heh, I guess this shows they just get their Rush statements from Media Matters.
Rush used to talk about how great the GM vehicles were that they were getting as a part of the show. . . not that even then he admitted to driving them himself all that often (His car's tend to be a Benz).
Even while pushing the Suburban (I think he owns or owned one for the estate) he was lambasting the folly of the bailout.
And he was right.
GM is not "All better now".
The broke gm was renamed and sold off to a holdings company. They are selling off propety holdings to pay off the loans, and what is called New GM is running the car business giving us a car, the Volt, they are guaranteed to lose money on.
If GM sells every single Volt, they will not make a dime.
At $41,000 they lose thousands per car.
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Bo Dietl Doesn't Know His Butt From a Hole In The Ground
Why being a retired NYPD detective earns someone the right to be called a "gun expert" is anyone's guess, but Edgar Sandoval and Samuel Goldsmith of the N.Y. Daily News called Bo Dietl one, and he promptly returned their thanks by making all three of them look like idiots.
Anna Fermanova has been accused of attempting to smuggle three high-end night vision rifle scopes to her husband in Russia, a gross violation of export laws that could result in serious jail time for the native Latvian. Fermanova is the second very attractive young woman accused of being a Russian spy in recent months after Anna Chapman, and the media wasn't about to miss a chance to sell advertising, so they decided they needed another story (presumably as an excuse to post her pictures).
The
Daily News then decided Dietl was just the gun expert to interview about these scopes, and it all went to Hell from there:
"These are used specifically for an assassination," said security consultant Bo Dietl, a former NYPD detective. "You're not going to hunt deer with a super scope. That's crazy.
"You could take someone out with one of these scopes in the dead of night from up to a mile-and-a-half-away," he said. "I have friends in Iraq who use these. These are the real deal."
The optics—which the Daily News
grossly over-valued by $1,000-$1,500—are indeed
marketed as having a range in excess of a thousand yards, but the simply fact of the matter is that these Raptor scopes (when they were available to the public) were only available with short- to mid-range 4x or 6x power magnification. This magnification range is popular among sportsmen and the military to ranges of perhaps several hundred yards even during the daylight and twilight hours, but for Dietl to claim "you could take someone out with one of these scopes in the dead of night from up to a mile-and-a-half-away" is, to put it mildly, a load of crap.
As for Dietl's claim that "These are used specifically for an assassination," well, he's astoundingly ignorant about that as well.
The primary use for night vision (NV) scopes hasn't changed much in the 50+ years they've been used. NV scopes and googles are primarily used by soldiers to identify the enemy, either while out on patrol or while guarding static positions. They are not "specifically used for assassination", unless Dietl wants to label the thousands of U.S. soldiers using this sort of technology every night in Afghanistan and Iraq as assassins.
If someone did know a little bit about this kind of technology, and had a grasp of history, they would come to the much more reasonable conclusion that the Russians would be interested in obtaining the latest U.S. technology so that they could reverse engineer it and then build advanced night vision scopes for export sales and/or use this tech to equip their own soldiers.
For the record, Russian soldiers aren't assassins either, and know hell of a lot more about night vision gear than some self-aggrandizing media whore retired New York cop.
I'd also point out that night vision rifle scopes are used in the taking of various animals including
wild hogs in Texas, where Fermanova lives. I'd also point out that wild boar hunting is a sport in Russia and other parts of the former USSR as well (though I still find her story more than likely a bad cover story).
I
would mention that night vision scopes are also used for
predator hunting and predator control.
But that would just be piling on.
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"in the dead of night from up to a mile-and-a-half-away"
They would have to put out IR laser beams that could burn a hole in you hand (or anything else that go in the way) to light up something at a mile and a half.
Posted by: Neo at July 29, 2010 04:39 PM (tE8FB)
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The headline tells the whole story. Bo Dietl has no idea whatsoever of where his ass is. No doubt the MSM will eat this crap up like gospel from the preacher on the stump going for a chicken dinner!
Posted by: gDavid at July 29, 2010 05:01 PM (xEfbT)
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Dietl is, and always was, a self-promoting B.S. artist going back to his days in the NYPD. To listen to Dietel - there wasn't a single other cop or detective on the job who could find his own ass with both hands. He has no credibility at all among fellow officers, myself included. I have refused to watch the Imus show since he brought this buffoon on as his "expert at all things." Night vision technology "used EXCLUSIVELY for assassination" indeed.
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Posted by: Bruce at July 29, 2010 08:47 PM (Czf/G)
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It's always amusing to hear people talking about superhuman feats with scoped rifles such as off hand 600 yard shots on running game. In reality, at 600 yards (and even closer) most game outside of a moose are simply not visible to the naked eye, and if one can't see it, one can't find it in a rifle scope which has a much more limited field of view than the Mark I eyeball, two each. Add the loss of resolution inherent in even very good night vision optics (and by the way, gen. III optics are good, but no longer state of the art) and one can see the folly inherent in Dietl's pronouncements.
It should also be noted that any assassin worthy of the name would not take a shot that they could not be absolutely certain of making. Therefore, shorter ranges would be the rule, particularly in lower light and absolutely with night vision.
As to extraordinary distance shots, all such things occur in two realms: Testing and evaluation of weapons, scopes and ammunition (commonly done on familiar ranges, with rests, and at known distances) and by military snipers operating in areas where the opportunity to make such shots may occur. But even the best military snipers do their best to avoid extreme distance shots as the variables involved are so great as to make hits at those distances far more a matter of art and luck than certainty. Using night vision optics greatly complicates such shots to the point of making them, for all practical intents and purposes, impossible.
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Firearms are much too messy and noisy for Russian assassins these days. IIRC, I believe ricen laced pellets are now their weapon of choice.
Posted by: Diogenes Online at July 30, 2010 09:31 AM (2MrBP)
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Dietl's a jackass, allright...after all, he's Don Imus' best buddy...
Posted by: Flighterdoc at July 30, 2010 10:04 AM (Xl77c)
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Good for hobo hunting as well.
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Diogenes Online
I believe ricen laced pellets are now their weapon of choice.
And polonium tea.
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Oh Pretty Please... Shirley Sherrod Announces She Will Sue Andrew Breitbart
I suspect that this will end badly. For Sherrod.
Note the creative writing in the AP story (my bold):
Ousted USDA employee Shirley Sherrod says she will sue conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart, the Associated Press reports.
Sherrod made the announcement Thursday in San Diego at the National Association of Black Journalists annual convention.
Breitbart posted a heavily edited video of Sherrod speaking to an NAACP group and appearing to admit that she had deliberately refrained from giving full assistance to a farmer because he was white.
The political fallout from the posting eventually prompted the Agricultural Department to fire Sherrod to resign.
First a few words about the narrative that the AP writer is trying to further.
The video was not heavily edited... it wasn't edited at all. It was merely an excerpt proved to Breitbart from a much longer speech. That speech, viewed in its entirety, seems to suggest that Shirley Sherrod does in fact continue to struggle with racism. Some of her more recent comments (post-firing) also show Sherrod to be a woman fighting a battle against her own racial biases.
The other amusing claim is that the video led to her eventual firing. Eventual? The Administration was so eager to see her gone that she was driven to pull over to the side of the road and resign on her Blackberry... they didn't even let her get to the office.
But now let's back to the story, and away from the narrative.
Sherrod claims she wants to sue Breitbart. I don't see him being the kind of guy to back away from a challenge, so there is a pretty good chance he won't settle, and they'll wind up in court.
Frankly, Sherrod seems to have a lot more to lose during legal proceedings than Breitbart. She and her husband have profited immensely from race-baiting, and they
both have racist and or race-baiting comments caught on video that
they cannot deny. Discovery and a cross-examination by a good attorney are not something I think either Sherrod would want to address.
I think she's bluffing, but I kinda hope she isn't.
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I'm no lawyer, but I thought you needed to prove financial harm to receive a judgement. Breitbart is the best thing that ever happened to Shirley Sherrod. A full week of totally underserved media attention. A tour of the morning shows. Chatting with the gal's on The View. Phone chat with Pres. Hussein hisself. A bigger and better job offer. The list goes on...
Posted by: Diogenes Online at July 29, 2010 02:45 PM (2MrBP)
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Just exactly what is she suing him for?
Posted by: Sooser at July 29, 2010 02:51 PM (OnRdm)
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She'll get some angry sleazy left-wing ambulance chasing lawyer to represent her pro bono, whether he thinks she has a good case or not, just so he can drag Breitbart into court and get media exposure for himself.
Then Breitbart will get the case dismissed because all he did was post an excerpt of a video from a speech she gave. It's indisputable they are her words on the tape he posted. She hasn't denied she didn't give the speech attributed to her. How can he be liable for defaming her when all he did was post her words?
It's ridiculous. Once the case is dismissed, then her 15 miniutes of fame will finally be over. She can then slink into obscurity and the sleazoid lawyer can go back to chasing ambulances.
Posted by: Scott at July 29, 2010 03:49 PM (gv3l4)
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Good name calling - it really proves your point - Mrs. Sherrod is a dyed in the wool racist, and a halfwit to boot. The tape and the response of the audience and her future statements will all be used as evidence. Maybe she can explain where USDA regulations or federal law indicate that her 'job' is to 'help the have nots against the haves' or maybe she can explain her statement about how Breitbart wants to 'put black people back into slavery.'?
Posted by: bandit at July 29, 2010 04:10 PM (RtkiV)
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I do believe that Sherrod will be liable to pay Breitbart's legal fees if her lawsuit proves to be without merit. That should be a wakeup call for her when she receives the counter-suit from Breitbart demanding she pay up.
Time to wage lawfare in return on these scumbag leftists.
Posted by: iconoclast at July 29, 2010 04:19 PM (Srqoz)
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Sherrod made the announcement Thursday in San Diego at the National Association of Black Journalists annual convention.
The National Association of Colored People, the National Association of Black Journalists .. does this women ever NOT appear at racist organizations?
Posted by: flenser at July 29, 2010 05:14 PM (Mj40Y)
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It would seem virtually impossible for a public figure to win a slander case. As I recall, General William Westmoreland sued CBS News for slander. Westmoreland proved that CBS lied and knew they lied. Westmoreland still lost.
I think Breibart would relish a lawsuit. Sherrod is on tape as saying Brietbart wanted to restore slavery. Sherrod had no factual basis for her claim.
Please pass the popcorn.
Posted by: DavidL at July 29, 2010 05:35 PM (EmDLH)
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Breitbart's lawyer could probably sell tickets in the gallery when he starts serving up his dicovery motions...
Posted by: emdfl at July 29, 2010 10:00 PM (d1K4I)
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Let's see:
1) black vs. white
2) woman vs. man
3) leftist vs. rightwing
Breitbart doesn't stand a chance in hell to win.
Posted by: J.T. Wenting at July 30, 2010 05:41 AM (jMRqb)
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J.T., there's winning the battle (or court case) and winning the war. The discovery motions alone will be pure gold.
The NAACP: Who was at the gathering, who was the videographer, does he have the original of this video in it's entirety, does he have other videos of other parts of the gathering (for comparison with this one to see if there are any discrepancies in style, equipment, etc.), which NAACP President was she addressing, the state or national? etc.
USDA: What were the nature of her duties, what was the outcome of her carrying out those duties with Black vs White recipients, a nice sample of her memos and e-mails to determine if her "recovery from racism" was genuine, all correspondence within USDA and the White House relating to the decision to fire her, the cell phone records of the person who supposedly had her resign long-distance, etc.
There should be material for YEARS of exposes....
Posted by: SDN at July 31, 2010 08:49 AM (dnLZ9)
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Blue Falcon Bradley Manning Confirmed As Primary Suspect in Wikileaks Afghan Doc DumpAfghan
So tell me, gentle readers... when is the last time a member of the armed forces disgraced his uniform, his fellow servicemen, our allies, and his country this much? He's the anti-Audie Murphy.
The Pentagon is focusing on jailed Army Pfc. Bradley Manning as the main suspect in the leak of tens of thousands of secret U.S. military documents related to the war in Afghanistan, a senior Pentagon official told CNN Wednesday.
Manning, 22, is believed to have accessed a worldwide military classified Internet and e-mail system to download tens of thousands of documents, according to the official, who did not want to be identified because of the ongoing criminal investigation of the soldier.
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If found guilty, can he then be tried as an accessory to murder for the soon to be murdered informants?
Posted by: another John Galt at July 29, 2010 08:24 AM (KP4N7)
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He should be court-martialled, along with his supervisors.
Posted by: Mike at July 29, 2010 05:03 PM (oqW+6)
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A single pfc had access to all that varied data, including reports mentioning the names and home locations of Afghan agents? What the bleep happened to "need to know?" And what has happened to communications security?
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Breaking: Second Missing Sailor in Afghanistan Found Dead
No details yet, or any indication whether he was killed in the initial ambush, or later. Will update as more information comes in.
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Remember all those MOAB's we have stockpiled over there. Let's drop them all on those afganistan caves and see what turns up dead.
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