Confederate Yankee
November 04, 2006
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Doug Ross takes a look at some of the documents that the New York Times has authenticated, and a suggests how those revelations should affect your future plans.
I tend to agree with his conclusion.
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November 03, 2006
Kerry's "Apology" Was All-Too Insincere
John Kerry's arrogance knows no bounds.
John Kerry has a 35-year history of slandering American soldiers, and when he disparaged the intelligence of the American military earlier this week, he deserved no benefit of the doubt. He'd referred to them as murderers, rapists, and terrorists too many times before.
When he swore he would "apologize to no one" for the comments assaulting their intelligence, he obviously meant it.
Now several days later and a "I'm sorry you aren't smart enough to understand what I meant to say" non-apology, he still has enough arrogance and contempt for the American soldier to feature on his page the headline, "Kerry's Remark: Right either way."
As
Bryan notes:
Because even though he has “apologized” several times and in disingenuous ways, at heart he [Kerry] meant what he said. When he finds someone who supports his smear, he links right to them to justify himself. Someone who truly meant to apologize for a remark he doesn’t believe wouldn’t do that.
John Kerry is not the least bit sorry for slandering America's heroes.
He wasn't sorry in 1972, and he's certainly not sorry now.
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Posted by: Bill Faith at November 03, 2006 10:01 PM (n7SaI)
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This honestly pisses me off more than the original insult. It's like he's rubbing it in soldiers' noses.
Posted by: Tony B at November 03, 2006 11:16 PM (o8eR4)
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The Seattle paper begs the question. What public utterance has John Kerry ever made that should convince us he is well-educated? Please advise if you can remember one!!!
Posted by: David G at November 03, 2006 11:51 PM (FiyZE)
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http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news&id=4721556
Posted by: Recruiter at November 04, 2006 12:42 AM (RuQC1)
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That's nice, Recruiter, but what do the actual records of actual soldiers and marines say in the actual theatre of combat.
And just to pick at nits, are we at war? Are you sure? By what definition?
Posted by: grayson at November 04, 2006 05:56 AM (3Vh45)
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Not only was what Kerry said an insult, it was just plain unnecessary. Tacky and Stupid.
Liberals have gotten so bitter and nasty that every time one of them opens his or her mouth some kind of insult comes out of it. They don't care if we are at war, they don't even care if we win.
Posted by: Terrye at November 04, 2006 06:35 AM (+vKQT)
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An editorial, which will appear in the Army Times, Air Force Times, Navy Times, and Marine Corps Times newspapers on Monday says. "... the time has come, Mr. President, to face the hard bruising truth: Donald Rumsfeld must go."
I know you're having a good old time bashing Kerry but smell the coffee. This all Republican government is an abject failure, it's time to vote the incompetent bums out and give the Democrats a chance to do better.
Posted by: Ed at November 04, 2006 07:47 AM (jw6+c)
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He put a supposed apology on his website. He did not apologise in person, so obviously some staffer wrote it with Hanoi John's approval.
There is an old saying that. 'the lips say what is in the heart'
He meant everyword of it, why should anyone take anything he says with any credibility, he has none.
He claims to be a war hero, to whom the North Vietnamese ? Yes, afterall his picture is proudly displayed in Hanoi as a war hero.
What John Kerry said a week ago is the same thing he said, 35 years ago when he lied to congress. How anyone can vote for this traitor is beyond comprehension.
Posted by: Mark at November 04, 2006 11:04 AM (Eodj2)
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If you work really hard in school...at being a duplicitous, elitist, flip-flopping, subversive, windsock...you can make fun of people who actually did BETTER than you did....whether they are in the military...or are Republican opponents
...[Kerry] got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses...
The grade transcript, which Kerry has always declined to release, was included in his Navy record....
The transcript shows that Kerry's freshman-year average was 71. He scored a 61 in geology, a 63 and 68 in two history classes, and a 69 in political science. His top score was a 79, in another political science course. Another of his strongest efforts, a 77, came in French class.
Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade. In addition to Kerry's four D's in his freshman year, he received one D in his sophomore year.
Posted by: cf bleachers at November 04, 2006 11:10 AM (V56h2)
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Ed
I want you to give me a website where the Marine Corps times has such editorial. This a bald face lie, those publications are not run by Liberal Elites from the New York Times or the Weenie Deans.
So inform all of us where we all can get a copy of said editorial from these papers.
The Democrats have, NO SPINE, and will take the first opportunity to run from Iraq before the job is done and allow total chaos. Obviously you have no spine either, otherwise you would support your country and not the enemy.
So Ed try supporting the good guys for a change, the United States.
Posted by: Mark at November 04, 2006 11:14 AM (Eodj2)
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Ed visited the Al Jazeera website for his voting recommendations. Probably even left a comment suggesting increased violence in order to assist ejecting the Bushitler regime (though that phrase probably doesn't play well with Muslims) from office.
Posted by: iconoclast at November 04, 2006 03:09 PM (Jpc2l)
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Mark,
Ed is correct about the editorial, http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2333360.php , but you have to remember that those papers ARE Gannett(USA Today) subsidiaries and while they have covered the military beat, their opinions (unsigned of course) sometimes display that they are in fact civilians infected by beltway myopia.
Posted by: Richard at November 04, 2006 04:03 PM (8u3Sz)
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Richard
Thanks for the response, I knew there was a catch. The usa today can't be trusted to report sports scores let alone anything serious. As I suspected there is a bias here regardless of the title of the newspaper.
Whenever, I see someone say, an unknown source said this, I want to know who the source is, there is a credibility gap for sure.
Posted by: Mark at November 04, 2006 05:13 PM (Eodj2)
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For what it's worth, the slime has taken the link down from his site. All it displays now are links to the Boston Globe and the NYT.
Posted by: Guy at November 04, 2006 08:08 PM (3LwMl)
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Well whatever Kerry's intention, it would have to go some to compare with Bush saying that in the history books all the death and destruction in Iraq (including American troops killed) will be "just a comma".
Posted by: Realist at November 04, 2006 11:00 PM (tcNja)
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You Americans need to chill and watch this it only 30seconds!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYwGetTHuPw&eurl=
if you want...
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/05/olbermanns-special-comment-it-is-not-the-democrats-whose-inaction-in-the-face-of-the-enemy-you-fear/
Posted by: MC at November 04, 2006 11:02 PM (yols0)
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Hey did you all catch that the Army Times, Navy Times and Marine Corps Times are all asking Rumsfeld to step down? It sounds like the military brass isn't as stoked about Iraq as you guys are.
Kerry volunteered to ride in a PT boat and gett shot at, whereas your man had his daddy get him into the reserves then flubbed that. Yet you still can't get enough of knocking Kerry's motives in 'Nam, even though he's not running for office.
Why don't you tell us how well the war in Iraq is going, only the MSM refuses to tell us about it? I can't get enough of that one. Your man thought he was *done* three years ago. He'll be Mr. Mission Accomplished until the end of recorded history.
The jig's up boys.
Posted by: Earl at November 05, 2006 02:18 AM (CtTiq)
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Why should Kerry apologize? This is America! He can say whatever he wants. He will just have to endure the consequences. His comment says more about him than it does about our military or our president.
Posted by: Jeff at November 05, 2006 08:43 AM (YkP4i)
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Earl
Those papers are, as mentioned many times, NOT affiliated with our Armed Forces. The sad part is our troops have to read this crap, written by un-named writers and shirks and have nothing to compare it with, especially the truth.
The American people are getting only the bad part of what is really going on over there. The media is partisan to the democrats and the enemy. It is a sad note when forces in our own country are working against our own country just becasuse they hate the president and want to bring him down.
Agree or not that we should be in Iraq, it is our country you are sabbotaging by the daily sniping about the war effort. Even the enemy, the Islamo-fascists, has come out and said they want the democrats to win. Why do you think that is ?
Ask yourself this if Bush and Rumsfeld are running such a rotten campaign why wouldn't the enemy want them to stay ?
We read everyday in the press that we can't win over there, we hear from Durbin, Kennedy , his clone, Kerry, et al, that everything done to date is wrong,,, Why don't these Military Experts come up with a better plan ?
The dem plan is to Cut, Run and Hide and pertend everything is still pre-September 11, 2001.
You dems better wake up, we pull out of Iraq the next battlefield will be in our own back yard, like New York City.
Posted by: Mark at November 05, 2006 09:54 AM (0Co69)
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Republicans:
"Halp us Jon Carry- We R Stuck Hear N Washington"
Posted by: Fred at November 05, 2006 10:50 AM (dbo1X)
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CY and Mark,
You didn't read my whole post. I said, "Why don't you tell us how well the war in Iraq is going, only the MSM refuses to tell us about it? I can't get enough of that one." Thanks for obliging me. The Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times, Air Force Times, etc have nothing to do with the millitary. Got it. They are parts of the MSM cabal. The largest corporations on Earth have a plot to tear down capitalism and gut our armed forces. Got it.
Time to stop dreaming, boys. The jig's up.
Posted by: Earl at November 05, 2006 01:48 PM (CtTiq)
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Earl
Why, Earl, every GI I have talked to is amazed at how poorly the war is reported, They can't believe the press is reporting the same war they just left. Gee Earl could it be the press has an ulterior motive, Nahh, not the commies at the New York Times, or CNN, why doesn't CNN show its own Journalists gettting picked off by a sniper, or flaunt the beheadings of its journalists. No it would rather show an American soldier getting hit, thats fair and balanced. You have just showed your true colors.
So you figure that out you seem to be good at mis-interpreting this country.
As far as the 'times's' are concerned they are not affiliated with the United States Armed Forces, Gannet is a big leftist-liberal news service.
The the bigger point is, you have one aim and that is to get out of Iraq, then what, what is your plan ? like all the weenies on the left you have none, except cut and run just like Clinton did in Somalia, where do you think Osama got the Idea that America did not have the stomach for a war, just give US a bloddy nose and we will cut and run.
Your ilk and the kennedys and kerrys screwed us in Vietnam it aint gonna happen again. We will win this thing with or without you. you make the call you are either with us or against us. It is that simple.
Posted by: Mark at November 05, 2006 02:31 PM (0Co69)
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Mark,
Sure, the press has an ulterior motive. ABC, NBC, CBS, NYT, CNN, FOX, etc all have clear ties to the communist party. They want to throw of the yoke of capitalism. CNN loves it when American soldiers die.
Army/Navy/Air Force/Marine Corps Times interview generals and admirals and stuff, but they really have little to do with the armed services. They too are Trotskyite front organizations looking to undermine our efforts in Iraq because they love to see American blood flow.
I love it when you all say, "Nyah nyah nyah, what's you liberals' plan if your so smart?" The honest truth is that there aren't any good alternatives. There's certainly no good reason to see any more of our finest die. For what? There never has been a democracy formed by the barrel of a gun, right? That's liberal craptrap.
Wake up, Mark. The dream's over. The jig's up.
Posted by: Earl at November 05, 2006 07:23 PM (CtTiq)
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You confirm our suspicions again, Earl. You are clueless.
Posted by: Retired Spy at November 05, 2006 07:43 PM (Xw2ki)
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Earl
Demos do not like the military. But meanwhile, they vote against the Patriot Act. They vote against listening to jihadi phone calls. They vote against trying jihadis in military courts. They call our troops the equivalent of Hitler. They equate Abu Ghraib to the Soviet gulag. They consistently run down our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Who else, Earl, would do this to their own country, but someone who wants to destroy it.
Think back, Earl, to September 11, 2001, we were attacked on our own soil, to the extent that Pearl Harbor looked mild in comparison. 3000 Americans were murdered, slaughtered for doing nothing more than being in the wrong place at the right time. They have no plan except to 'book' out of Iraq, to run and hide and appease the terrorists. Appeasement has never won anything and never will.
Can you imagine if todays democrats would have been in charge during the second world war, You want to talk casualties, in 72 hours on Tarawa, the Marines took 4500 casualties, 1500 dead they killed almost 6000 Japs and that wasn't even a three day campaign, you want to talk intense, waste of life, lack of planning, they miscalculated the tides, the Higgins boats were hanging up on the Coral reefs and couldn't go any farther, the Marines had to wade in waist deep half never made it. They were cut down wading across 500 yards of coral, some went off the ramps and went too deep and never came up. Was their sacrifice worth it ? You damn well better believe it. And so is the sacrifice we are making in Iraq, because if we don't make this sacrifice those sons of bitches will be here in the good ole US of A. And then we will see how fast YOU, change your mind.
Then, maybe then you will wake up.
Use your head for something other than a 'hat-rack', you already admitted you have no plan at least you are upfront about that, the dem candidates have not the guts to at least be honest about that.
Posted by: Mark at November 05, 2006 08:12 PM (0Co69)
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To this newspaper reporter long, long ago, what's happening in the news media chills and disturbs. Years ago, I predicted that the press would worsen, but I did not anticipate so profound a corruption, or so great a distance between the media and a large part of the public.
Assume that Kerry's staff is correct and Kerry dropped the word "us." So the target if his insult wasn't the military, it was the President. But neither the alleged prepared text nor those actually spoken apply to the President, or if one thinks they do, then they apply with equal or greater force to Kerry, as cf bleachers demonstrates.
In either case, Kerry was wrong, not right. Someone who claims to want to debate "real policy" ought not engage in crass personal insults. Someone who insults people in the military, allegedly inadvertently, in time of war, no less, ought to claim rapidly that his tongue had slipped; he had not meant to say what he had said, and he apologized for saying something so contrary to what he believed, or words to that effect. But he failed to apologize in any effective way. His weak, perhaps forced, apology was not made in a public forum; instead, he used his public forum to insult his Other, Republicans. One of his many press defenders wrote that Kerry is "obviously not anti-military." Given what Kerry has said on past occasions, that is not this writer's impression. I think he said what he really thought; he said what many on the left think, as readers of nutroot comments can attest.
People were outraged. Journalists? Perhaps, but only because their drive to push donkeys into office was distracted: one TV correspondent said she hoped that the fuss would disappear in a day. The press preferred to push aside distractions like the gaffe, the protest, and the misguided, wild swings at Kerry's Other, as the press ignored the Swift Boat charges. (My newspaper in Massachusetts never printed any report on the Swifties’s charges.)
Am I the only one to be greatly disturbed that the press is now unreliable in reporting facts fairly and truthfully on substantive matters at issue in America, but wholly reliable in favoring certain people and causes? Or that The New York Times, which regularly wins journalism awards, may be the worst offender re: truth and fairness in the press?
Posted by: Alfred J. Lemire at November 06, 2006 12:47 AM (nbn+Z)
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"There never has been a democracy formed by the barrel of a gun, right? That's liberal craptrap."
Posted by Earl at November 5, 2006 07:23 PM
Democracy is formed and ran by the Vote. The Iraqi's have voted (better turn-out than us in the U.S. by population).
Our guns are there to protect against those that want to rid the average Iraqi the vote.
Whom is it better to have, those that try to change your vote (or not even let you vote) at the point of a gun, or those protecting your right to do so?
I know my choice.
Posted by: Retired Navy at November 06, 2006 06:28 AM (0EcTE)
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Mark
"Demos do not like the military."
Bull.
"But meanwhile, they vote against the Patriot Act."
Some of us cherish the Bill of Rights, some don't.
"They vote against listening to jihadi phone calls."
Nobody voted against that, you're listening to propaganda. Dems voted against UNWARRANTED wiretaps. If Bush wants to tap calls, let him get a warrant. As I said, some of us like the Bill of Rights.
"They vote against trying jihadis in military courts."
We like the Bill of Rights. Why don't you?
"They call our troops the equivalent of Hitler."
Bull.
"They equate Abu Ghraib to the Soviet gulag."
You saw the pictures, big guy. That's torture, plain and simple. Some of us want to continue to be a beacon to the world, not to let sadists run free.
"They consistently run down our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan."
Iraq is a disaster and had nothing to do with 911. Afghanistan should have been our focus. We should have gotten Bin Laden there. W and his crew couldn't have done much worse.
The jig's up, Mark.
Posted by: Earl at November 07, 2006 07:17 PM (1vDHD)
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Retired Spy,
I said, there's never been a democracry formed at the barrel of a gun. You seem to want to refute this, but got lost along the way. Don't give up though, you're doing great! You sounded clever with your 'whom', but you shouldn't have capitalized 'vote' and the plural of Iraqi is Iraqis, not Iraqi's. We're rooting for you!
Posted by: Earl at November 07, 2006 07:21 PM (1vDHD)
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NY Times Justifies 2003 Invasion of Iraq
This is a NY Times November bombshell as designed by the North Koreans.
The
breaking article seems to be an attempt to attack the Bush Administration for releasing potentially classified information (yes, the ironymeter is pegged), but what they actually prove is that Saddam's nuclear weapons program was indeed a significant threat.
Not only were they close to developing their own nuclear bomb (at one point the Iraqis "were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away"), they also had that nucelar weapon building knowledge available to proliferate to other rogue states.
The
Times may have set out to attack Bush, but instead, they have justified the rationale for the 2003 invasion.
Thanks, Pinch.
Update: Josh Manchester notes that this article seems to be an attempt by the
NY Timesto pull an "Al-Qaqaa" once more before an national election.
Further Update: As
Glenn Reynolds notes:
Judging from some of the delighted emails I'm getting, I need to warn people not to get too carried away -- this doesn't say that Saddam would have had a bomb in 2004. But it does say that he had all the knowledge needed to have a bomb in short order. And as we know he was looking to reconstitute his program once sanctions were ended -- and that sanctions were breaking down in 2003 -- that's pretty significant. However, perhaps even more significant, given that we knew most of the above already, is that the NYT apparently regards the documents that bloggers have been translating for months as reliable, which means that reports of Iraqi intelligence's relations with Osama bin Laden, and "friendly" Western press agencies, are presumably also reliable.
And as these documents are "presumably also reliable," then much of the research into these documents done by a former Defense Intelligence Agency contractor by the name of Ray Robinson is certainly worth a second or even a third look. Robinson compiled some of his research for the Fox News
Saddam Dossier, and has much more in the archives of his
personal site.
Robinson thinks he may have even triggered this by contacting the IAEA
two weeks ago.
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Damn, all of those jihadis in Karachi and Riyadh and Damascus who are otherwise borderline illiterate-
but shockingly well trained in advanced nuclear physics AND in possession of enormous amounts of enriched uranium are going to build a bomb now!
We're doomed! Monkeyboy is right!!
Posted by: TMF at November 03, 2006 08:43 AM (+BgNZ)
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FYI, that "moron" comment was directed at the Times, not anyone here.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at November 03, 2006 08:44 AM (g5Nba)
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Guess the NY Times will be reporting all the other documents too-
The ones showing Saddam planned on "attacking US interests", and that Saddam and his cronies set up multiple high level discussions with Al Qaeda, and had ties to the Taliban.....etc etc etc
I guess the DUMBASSocrat talking points are kinda in the shitter now, huh?
Quick, shift the goalposts (again) idiots!
Posted by: TMF at November 03, 2006 08:46 AM (+BgNZ)
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A couple of key points missed in the summary:
First, the documents mainly describe Iraq's nuclear situation in the early 1990s, not at the time of the war. Remember that progressives are not saying that Iraq was never a threat; rather, they say that the threat had been contained since Gulf War 1. The work of weapons inspectors and these documents seem to bear that out.
Second, the article points out that, "The campaign for the online archive was mounted by conservative publications and politicians." It is these conservative who spurred the publication of what the article describes as a "cookbook" for making nuclear weapons.
We don't want nuts like Hussein to have nukes. Why would conservatives want to spread the danger around to vast numbers of other nuts who have Internet access?
Posted by: Doc Washboard at November 03, 2006 09:15 AM (tVin7)
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So, a minor political gain for the Republicans is worth providing al Qaeda with an instruction manual on how to construct a nuclear bomb to you guys?
Good luck next week...
Posted by: monkyboy at November 03, 2006 11:37 AM (unUeA)
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Well, there are two possibilities, and you can't mix & match... either:
- The info in these documents is so common and/or so useless without access to enriched uranium, high-speed firing circuits, etc. that it was just as useless to Hussein in 1990 as it is to Iran today & therefore not an indicator of Iraq's being a legitimate nuclear threat in 2003, or
- The info _is_ incredibly valuable & dangerous, and posting it on the Internet in the first place was so unbelieveably stupid that Rick Santorum, Pat Roberts, and Bush should all be shot for treason immediately.
Choose your poison.
Posted by: legion at November 03, 2006 12:24 PM (3eWKF)
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And once again that Oh-so-bright, non-pundit, Monkeyboy, rides in on a Great Dane to punish us with his wit and wisdom.
Figure it out dimwit - The NYT just validated every single document that has been translated. Now IF (big if) you had brains enough to follow that story, you would realize that those documents point to everything you and yours said was a lie about Iraq: WMDs (documents relating to the storage of weapons, relating to hiding of documents, relating to cooperation with Syria, documents relating to hiding portions of the programs until the sanctions ended...etc.), AlQuaeda (documents regarding meetings between Iraqi government officials and Al Quaeda), and terrorist activities (documents about terrorist training camps in Iraq).
Was it dumb to put the plans for a nuke up? Well yes. But - I'll wait until we have an expert look at those documents and tell us someone who knows nothing about nuclear physics and nuclear weapon building could actually use them to build a weapon.
But in the meantime I demand an apology from every dimwit that has repeated the DNC mantra "Bush Lied." Why? Because the famous, treasonous NYT just showed that he did not. LOL. The joke is on you.
Posted by: Specter at November 03, 2006 12:27 PM (ybfXM)
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If it was released, then its no longer classified. Kinda by definition...
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 03, 2006 01:46 PM (AuPsg)
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Hehe, nice spin.
The fringe right puts up a trove of captured Iraqi documents and what do they show?
How to make a nuke...conviently translated into arabic...
Another bullseye for the gang that couldn't shoot straight.
Posted by: monkyboy at November 03, 2006 02:25 PM (unUeA)
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I'm pretty sure you meant "rogue" states. :-)
It's a shame, I understand the NY Times was once a very well respected newspaper. They are certainly doing a good imitation of a bunch of partisan hacks lately.
Posted by: jvon at November 03, 2006 03:39 PM (1Lf5G)
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Well, the gang's all here, let's burp the f*** out of some tupperware.
Posted by: Pinko Punko at November 03, 2006 04:21 PM (6F6lT)
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The only morons here are the ones who believe that Saddam's nuclear program was so advanced that we needed to go to war over it some 12 years after it was shut down. The only morons here are the people who pushed for the release of these documents. The absolute insanity of someone thinking they're making the world safe by distributing this information is astounding. This is a jump the shark moment for the right-wing blogosphere. Believe it.
Posted by: Fred at November 03, 2006 04:46 PM (jSBbA)
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Hey Pinko, what are you doing here? I got lost on my way to Gateway Pundit, and I'm almost out of apple slices and yogurt bars.
Posted by: Sadly, No! Research Labs at November 03, 2006 05:17 PM (SVMKI)
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Freddo the Moron,
Thanks for your miniscule input to the discussion. It's surprising to know that your vocabulary has grown to such proportions. Taking remedial courses again?
I suppose you know what the doucments said? They indicated that there were still active NBC programs going on. They delineated what stuff would be hidden where, who was doing the hiding, how they had faked out the inspectors (even in the late 90s - yes Freddy-boy - the late 90's. BTW - that's not 12 years ago as you state as fact - much less). Why don't you do some studying before throwing accusations around? It might (big might) make you sound a little credible.
Posted by: Specter at November 03, 2006 05:18 PM (ybfXM)
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(at one point the Iraqis "were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away"),...
Before the 1991 Persian Gulf War, Bob. Not in March, 2003.
Posted by: Kathy at November 03, 2006 05:20 PM (wWPI1)
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Oh - and BTW MonkeyShine and Freddo,
Did you stop to think about the fact that these documents came from Hussein's government? Even if you could somehow ignore the fact that there is evidence (documents) that indicate that Hussein had big plans in the nuclear department, you certainly can't ignore the fact that he HAD THE PLANS. So - according to you it was wrong that they got posted on a web site (which I would agree with), but it is Okey-dokey that Hussein had them. Right? Didya stop to think that maybe, just maybe he could have given them to someone else, sold them to the highest bidder, handed thme to Hamas or Hezbollah? Bet not - cuz you don't stop to think. You just post away....
Posted by: Specter at November 03, 2006 05:30 PM (ybfXM)
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Kathy,
Contrary to your opinion, some of the very same documents that the NYT referred to, and have now seemingly validated, refer to how the Iraqi regime was moving stuff around, and how they were hiding things from inspectors in the late 90s. Including their nuclear program. Was it huge? We don't know - yet. But you just can't make blanket statements about "It was before the first Gulf War." Read and study.
Posted by: Specter at November 03, 2006 05:34 PM (ybfXM)
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Bill Clinton did not doubt Saddam had such a program. I remember Clinton discussing it shortly before the invasion.
One thing I thought interesting was that after the invasion of Iraq, Kaddafi gave up his nuclear program. It was also unknown he had such a program or that so many Iraqi scientists were involved in it. It seems that with the Pakistani scientist Kahn selling his knowledge and people like Saddam sending people to university in the west to acquire weapons technology there was a concerted effort to make these weapons. I don't know why people would find that idea surprising.
Posted by: Terrye at November 03, 2006 05:40 PM (euEqa)
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Even if we kinda float right over that interpretation of nukes, and Iraq, and invading, and whatnot, one would have to say that posting nuclear plans on the Web, in Arabic, probably wasn't the smartest thing to do.
I mean, I think all reasonable folks can agree here.
Posted by: Sadly, No! Research Labs at November 03, 2006 06:00 PM (SVMKI)
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The NYT has only claimed -- not shown -- that the documents released so far contain any kind of "manual" on how to build a bomb.
Or rather, they are reporting that the IAEA is suddenly making this claim after having expressed no concerns about the documents before.
According to Rep. Peter Hoekstra (see http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006267.htm), the DNI has only released about 40% of the docs, keeping the rest due to security concerns. He asserts that the IAEA is piping up now in order to influence the election.
What the released documents apparently show is that Hussein had accumulated a lot of know how on building a bomb, and was actively hiding it from the US/UN until it was safe to resume work, or to pass on to other parties.
Posted by: Scott at November 03, 2006 06:33 PM (0cf1u)
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What's surprising (well, not really) is that the same people who just yesterday were hyperventilating over the NYT publishing some powerpoint slide that shows Iraq is a fiasco are now trying to spin the fact that Bush & Co. put online a manual showing how to construct a nuclear device as some sort of victory...
Posted by: monkyboy at November 03, 2006 06:35 PM (unUeA)
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Lets say for a moment that these documents did prove Sadam was building nukes and working with Bin Laden. I would think that the president would have been waving the hard copies on national press confrence. Or mayhaps have Colin Powel wave them around in the UN to make up for the bottle of fake anthrax.
So the logical question is why didn't they. One answer would be gross incompetence, which is believable. The other is that the Bush Admin was only using the WMD issue as a marketing tool to get the nation to go along with the insane idea of Democratizing the Mid East by force and there was no real effort to locate WMD. This too is believable because of the halhearted attempts capture Bin Laden. Remember, after all, that not to long after 9/11 Bush said that he didn't spend much time thinking about Bin Laden.
So the current administration are either incompetent or crooks, take your pick
Posted by: Not Dick but Richard at November 03, 2006 06:46 PM (1HuM5)
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Take a look. Other news outlets are covering uo the story...http://theanchoressonline.com/2006/11/03/ny-times-big-scoop-getting-buried-by-media-pals/
I am so fed up with the MSM....
Posted by: kelleyb at November 03, 2006 07:13 PM (arps5)
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And where did they get that documentation from, monky?
Iran perhaps? Clinton ordered the CIA to intentionally give Iran the plans to an atomic bomb.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 03, 2006 10:11 PM (AuPsg)
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The most under reported success of Gulf War II was that Kaddafi gave up his nuclear dreams and allowed inspectors into Libya. I guess he will be watching tomorrow when Saddam's verdict is announced.
Posted by: Tom TB at November 04, 2006 10:31 AM (0Co69)
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This is a bit hard to follow...the spin is so severe, I'm in need of cyberdramamine...is someone really attempting to suggest that the overarching issue to be considered here...is that there are directions on how to build a bomb...?????
This is patently devoid of logic. In order to BUILD nuclear weaponry under current scientific and technological knowledge...you need materials so difficult to come by and assemble...that it is nearly impossible for most COUNTRIES. Nation-states. (dirty bombs aside...it still is very difficult)
Walking through the logic (very slowly...so the subversives can follow), the leftists were FOR YEARS.... SCOFFING at Saddam's ABILITY TO OBTAIN AND WEAPONIZE the needed uranium and heavy water plants. (yellowcake...Valerie Plame...remember that whole issue???)
Does anyone seriously believe that Iran, Iraq, North Korea...have to depend upon reading INTERNET SITES to build a foundation for their weaponizing nuclear reactions? Is THAT really the argument? How utterly inane?!!!
The left has gone over the edge. Baghdad Bob would look straight into the camera and say with all seriousness that no tanks were rolling by.
The subsersive left looks right at us and tells us that they can't see their own BS. Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, he used them, ...several times...he had intentions of building more...to what lifeform above an eggplant is this not axiomatic?
This particular leftist "Baghdad Bob" routine...is a gig that is now fully cooked, so let's put a fork in it on this issue. Admit the obvious...the man (Saddam) hated the West, especially the US (more than our own leftists do) and would have built any weapon he could to threaten Israel and us.
Since the left has long ago turned its back on Israel...the real issue for them is...are Israelis lives worth fighting for? Since THAT answer for them is hell no...and would have been in 1939 as well...no lie, no distortion, no duplicity, no subversiveness is too big.
The left doesn't simply want to cut and run from Iraq...they are rooting for the destruction of Israel. They are countenancing the "drive the Jews into the sea" behavior of the Islamofascists.
All the rest is subterfuge...and they have gone over the edge.
Posted by: cf bleachers at November 04, 2006 11:34 AM (V56h2)
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Shorter CF Bleachers:
"Why not post nuclear secrets on the Web in Arabic? After all, Saddam once had WMDs, and the left hates Israel."
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Bonus Shorter CF Bleachers:
10 INPUT U$
20 PRINT U$ "...proving that the left has gone over the edge."
REM bwahahaha
30 GOTO 10
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Icebergs everywhere.
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Al-Taei Kidnapping Motive: Ransom?
According to Time:
A kidnapping ring has demanded a $250,000 ransom from the family of the U.S. soldier abducted in Iraq, a suspiciously low sum that his family worries could be a sign that he is no longer alive.
The Pentagon Thursday confirmed for the first time that Specialist Ahmed al-Taie, a Michigan National Guardsman assigned to the Provincial Reconstruction Team Baghdad, has been "unaccounted for" since Oct. 23 at 4:30pm; he is currently listed as "duty status whereabouts unknown." Family members of the 41-year-old Iraqi-American from Ann Arbor, Mich. say he was nabbed by a gang claiming to be from the Mahdi Army while he was on an unauthorized trip outside the fortified Green Zone to visit his wife in Baghdad.
The ransom demand for al-Taie was relayed earlier this week to al-Taie's uncle Entifad Qanbar, a former spokesman for the Iraqi National Congress and recently an official in the Iraqi Ministry of Defense. Qanbar described to TIME the complicated negotiations he has been engaged in on behalf of the family and in close coordination with the U.S.-led Hostage Working Group, a task force in the U.S. embassy in Baghdad made up of specialists from multiple U.S. agencies and the military.
Reading the
Time story leave one with the impression that the kidnapping was done purely as a criminal exercise.
We have the option of accepting that at face value, but kidnapping an American serviceman would seem to be an extremely risky enterprise for a group merely interested in profit. Whereas the kidnapping of Iraqi civilians leads to only an Iraqi police response (if that), the kidnapping of al-Taei led to a massive military-led recovery effort that has at least 3,000 American and Iraqi soldiers conducting area sweeps and house-to-house searches, a response that most criminal kidnappers would understandably shy away from.
Kidnapping for ransom is a not uncommon practice throughout the developing world, and is
increasingly common in regards to the kidnapping of Iraqis for political or criminal means, but it is comparatively rare for foreigners to be kidnapped for ransom, and the al-Taei kidnapping, if a criminal exercise, would be the first kidnapping of an American soldier in an attempt to turn a profit since the war began.
It simply seems doubtful that an experienced kidnapping gang would take such risks for such a comparatively small reward. Politics, hidden behind a veil of base criminal motivation, still seems to be the most likely reason to kidnap such a high-profile target.
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...Not As They Do
"Tis the season for pre-election surprises, some of them well deserved.
Nationally, a powerful evangelical minister in Colorado Springs that was a vocal proponent of a statewide ballot initiative to ban on gay marriage was
outed yesterday by a man who accused him of paying for sex from him over the past three years. As a result, Ted Haggard has stepped down from his post at his 14,000-member church and resigned as president from the National Association of Evangelicals.
Haggard claims he is innocent, but his accuser, Mike Jones, reportedly has both voicemails and a letter from Haggard that he says proves the trysts occurred. Haggard was also accused of using methamphetamine in his presence. Haggard has also admitted to another minister that some of the allegations may have some truth behind them.
Locally, the campaign of incumbent Republican Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison was rocked by allegations that he had
an on-going affair with a local optometrist's wife. They are apparently still dating now that the couple has divorced.
Obviously, both of these long-running affairs are morally wrong, and I'm sure our friends on the left will enjoy mercilessly beating them up over their conduct as we run up to the elections on November 7. We will find out at that time whether or not Colorado's gay marriage ban and Harrison's bid to remain sheriff are torpedoed by these politically timed, but still apparently valid charges.
Nobody is perfect and we all have some sort of embarrassment or skeletons in our closets. Being human, we all make mistakes, and most of them are forgivable.
But there is a special kind of hypocrisy in publicly advocating one position while privately undercutting it with a contrary and continuing pattern of behavior, and that is what troubles me about both of these cases, Haggard's moreso than Harrison's.
Sheriff Harrison had just lost his wife of almost 36 years months before his affair began, and was probably emotionally vulnerable when his affair began. That doesn’t excuse it or justify his behavior in any way, but makes it at least something that most people can understand, if not condone.
Haggard, however, has apparently risen to a position of prominence based upon the deep-seated and long-running deception of many, advocating one position in public and practicing another in private.
God will forgive all of us who truly seek forgiveness, but among mortals, many will find Haggard's duplicity much harder to forgive.
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I agree that these people who hold themselves up as the be all and end all usually are the ones who are not living right, they are not humble enough to live right. I had my office liberal come at me with this story as if this was vindication at which time I told him that I live by the rule of trying to do the right thing and that I am sure I fail at times however the leader of these Mega churches become blinded by the glory and fail more often then the average Conservative.
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Dear America: Vote Terrorist Democratic
Root, root, root for the home team:
"Of course Americans should vote Democrat," Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group and the infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, told WND.
"This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud," said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.
And he's not alone.
Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats' talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel "proud."
"As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk," he told WND. "Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal."
Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas' military wing in the Gaza Strip, said the policy of withdrawal "proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation."
"We warned the Americans that this will be their end in Iraq," said Abu Abdullah, considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas' Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, Hamas' declared "resistance" department. "They did not succeed in stealing Iraq's oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw."
Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is "emboldened" by those in America who compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam.
No further comment seems necessary.
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Posted by: terrye at November 02, 2006 05:01 PM (YybJB)
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the world would be a better place if the libs would pull there heads out long enufe to read things like this and figer out what we are relly fiting for hear is the continued servial of our way of life and if we lose over there we will lose evrething over here
Posted by: Rich K at November 02, 2006 05:28 PM (EblDJ)
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Where's Osama's Republican campaign ad?
The election is getting close!
Posted by: monkyboy at November 02, 2006 06:17 PM (unUeA)
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Don't need him monkeyboy,
What with foleygate, JF'nKerry, ACORN, and other dem idiocy we had to fire OBL. LOL
Posted by: Specter at November 02, 2006 06:43 PM (ybfXM)
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Dear ol' monkyboy: kicked off Captain's Quarters, now trolling here and at Goldstein's place.
Grow up.
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Posted by: Bill Faith at November 03, 2006 10:15 AM (n7SaI)
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This makes me sick. Ignorant people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Posted by: Anonymous for now at November 03, 2006 06:13 PM (kRkl8)
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Sad, just sad. Maybe Kerry can help out and open his mouth again.
Posted by: Retired Navy at November 03, 2006 06:18 PM (y67bA)
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Another "Botched Joke"
After the
apparently unedited video of John Kerry's bashing of the intelligence of the American military was revealed to have
mirrored comments that he made to an anti-war group in 1972, leading Democrats such as Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, New York Senator Charles Schumer, and Congressional Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi joined a growing chorus of prominent Democrats that called for the disgraced Massachusetts Democrat to resign his seat in the United States Senate.*
"Our brave men and women in Uniform deserve our unerring support, whatever their mission," said Dean. "By slandering the intelligence and commitment of our Armed Forces, John Kerry has besmirched the honor of all Americans that appreciate the honor, integrity and intelligence of our men and women in uniform."
Said Schumer, "We have all known for a long time that our nations' military consistently attracts our best and brightest. This latest slight by Kerry against our soldiers is not his first, but it should be his last as a public servant."
In an interview aired on CNN, Pelosi added, "I have always supported those brave souls who feel called to defend this great nation. Any attacks leveled against them, even in jest, are unacceptable."
"John Kerry, it seems, is the "botched joke" that is no longer needed in a patriotic and military friendly Democratic Party."
Grass roots Democratic activists have also voiced their displeasure with Senator Kerry, and have started a petition drive to demand his ouster.
* As if you couldn't tell this was satire...
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Glad I wasn't drinking my coke, would have gotten my screen all gooey.
Posted by: Retired Navy at November 02, 2006 12:21 PM (cqZXM)
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What does Kerry have to apoligize for? This is truly what he thinks. It was just recorded so every one else could see it. That is what he truly regrets. Also, this must be the way the people of Mass. feel as they keep electing these idiots.
Posted by: David Caskey at November 02, 2006 01:51 PM (xxoPt)
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Kerry will never learn.
Posted by: KeepinItReal at November 02, 2006 05:08 PM (0yuBS)
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And the Dems feed another of their own to the wheels of the bus. But - for good reason this time. I sure hope that Lieberman decides to spurn them....so much for loyalty to your own party. First they try to knock off one of their vice presidential candidates, now they want to knock off their recent presidential candidate. Truly Looney - but then again, Howard "AAAAIIIIIIYYYYEEEEEEEE" Dean is their leader.
BTW - check out Lieberman's slam of Markos Zuniga here.
Posted by: Specter at November 02, 2006 06:49 PM (ybfXM)
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I heard that the Dems had to get a new bus. The one they threw Lieberman under wasn't big enough.
Posted by: SouthernRoots at November 03, 2006 11:03 AM (jHBWL)
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This is a prime example of how once a statement is uttered it is no longer yours. i am not a kerry fan and when i initially heard the report i was not surprised. i did want to hear what he said for myself though, to make my own decision.
i believe his explanation is reasonable. i have read other blogs and comments in the papers that he should know better than to make a mistake like that at such a crucial time in the election season. But at the same time, if in fact as he was reading and delivering the speech he skipped over a word, i can believe that. hell, ive been an english teacher and speech team coach and sometimes i accidentally skip a word when reading or giving a speech or teaching. it happens.
in spite of that, no one really seems to care, or at least those that do seem to care are getting the lion's share of representation in this story. this is not necessarily an ode of support to kerry, but a ramble on how one slip in language can wholly change the realm of possible meanings.
now just as a matter of logic it does not seem like a guy that watched people get shot and die, or had bullets and rockets whiz past his ear would really feel like you have to be dumbass to get into the military. he really believes that?
plus, if you insert the missing us into the sentence, it makes complete sense given his stance against the bush administration. as he said, which was not reprinted on this blog, "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get us stuck in Iraq" That makes sense in relation to his opposition to the bush iraq policy. to say he purposely wants to disrespect the military seems silly.
now i am not saying you shouldn't criticize kerry. im just saying that if you are going to, do it in reference to the legitimate point. Promoting the idea that he was trying to diss the military is not it. Now is he a dumb ass? that is another story.
Posted by: flynnjo1 at November 03, 2006 11:37 AM (uD7nc)
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I heard that the Dems had to get a new bus. The one they threw Lieberman under wasn't big enough.
Posted by SouthernRoots at November 3, 2006 11:03 AM
They do seem to be riding a shorter and shorter bus as time goes by.
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Posted by flynnjo1 at November 3, 2006 11:37 AM
Let's agree he goofed. My problem is twofold. As a Military member (Ret.) It was offensive as to what he said, but I understand he could have goofed. The second part, and the most damning of him, he changed the blame to everyone else twisting his words. I didn't twist anything, I HEARD what he said. To call me uneducated, even as a mistake is one thing, but to follow it up by calling me stupid for mis-understanding what he meant instead of what he said is unconscionable.
Simple, make mistake, apologize, get it over. He didn't until it became critical.
Then his apology was he was sorry he was mis-understood. He still isn't sorry for the insult.
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Negotiations Underway to Release Captured U.S. Army Translator
As I said in response to Andrew Sullivan's willfully ignorant claim yesterday that "commander-in-chief has abandoned an American soldier to the tender mercies of a Shiite militia":
Andrew Sullivan disingenuously misrepresents a small (and increasingly irrelevant) part of the rescue effort as the entire rescue effort, discounting all active military and police searches, intelligence gathering efforts, and back-channel political maneuvering that we know from past experience is certainly taking place.
This morning, Fox News confirms that the back-channel political maneuvering I discussed is indeed
occuring:
The U.S. military identified a kidnapped soldier for the first time on Thursday, saying the abducted Iraqi-American was 41-year-old Ahmed Qusai al-Taayie.
Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell also said that the reserve soldier was visiting his Iraqi wife when he was handcuffed and taken away by gunmen during a visit to the woman's family.
Caldwell said there was "an ongoing dialogue" in a bid to win the soldier's release, but he would not say with whom or at what level.
The fact that al-Taei (or as this article spells it "al-Taayie") did not turn up dead within the first 72 hours of his abduction, and the fact that he is believed to have been captured by the Mahdi Army instead of al Qaeda, leads me to believe that he was abducted not to become a victim of torture and murder, but to become a political pawn for one of the factions of Muqtada al-Sadr's militia.
What remains to be seen, and what we may never know, is whether al-Taei's capture is something that al-Sadr had a hand in, or if a faction within his loosely-organized Mahdi Army Militia conducted the kidnapping independently. If al-Taei's abduction was not conducted with al-Sadr's knowledge or blessing, there is the possibility that the kidnapping is evidence of a rift between factions of the Mahdi Army.
If so (and this is purely speculation), it could be that factions within the Mahdi Army are using the kidnapping to make a run on al-Sadr's control of the militia. The kidnapping places a microscope on al-Sadr (note the renewed calls to have him killed, which stem at least in part from the kidnapping), and depending on internal Iraqi politics, could rattle his standing with both other Mahdi Army factions and with the Iraqi government, which for now, seems to be doing the bidding of al-Sadr (on that, at least, Sullivan was correct).
If al-Sadr starts to lose (more) control of the Madhi Army, his importance to and influence within the Iraqi government may wane, and the possibility that Ralph Peters may eventually
get his wish, perhaps courtesy of the apparently fragmenting Mahdi Army itself.
Update: Josh Manchester has further thoughts.
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I'm sure there is an 'ongoing dialogue' in the same sense that the Israelis are having dialogues with Hamas and Hezbollah to get their kidnapped soldiers back, we're having a dialogue with Iraq to keep them from going nuclear, we're having a dialogue with North Korea and the Democrats and Republicans are having a dialogue on how best to run this country. Lots of people talking, nothing getting accomplished.
Posted by: steve sturm at November 02, 2006 11:48 AM (EnsCM)
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I thought we weren't supposed to negotiate with terrorists?
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Last Word on the ''Botched Joke'' Update: Almost Last Word
I just watched what appears to be the uncut footage of the Kerry speech at Hot Air.
It doesn't make me feel any less irritated, for while Kerry did clearly deliver a "botched joke" (i.e., it wasn't close to being funny), it seems obvious to me that the dig at the intelligence of the troops was scripted and intentional and targeted specifically at them, if part of a larger comment directed at President Bush.
In the larger context of what he said in the first 3 minutes of the clip, I took it as something in the neighborhood of "Only morons would follow this idiot into war," but perhaps that is merely my perception.
Well, me, and
these guys.
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Nice try, shmendrik. I hate to confuse you with the facts but Swiftboating just didn't get it this time. Not with people with actual functioning brains anyhow. Of course, by definition, that would make them not republicants.
The sorry butts are gonna be under oath this time.
Have a nice day.
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PowerPointless
A clandestine program to track terrorist communications into the United States splashes across the pages of the New York Times, and the government does nothing in response. A top secret program is leaked in the same paper revealing how terrorist funding is monitored, and again, the leaker goes free.
Today, the leak of a minor but still classified report, including a PowerPoint slide, has the Pentagon wanting to
drop the hammer:
The Pentagon is looking into how classified information indicating Iraq is moving closer to chaos wound up on the front page of Wednesday's New York Times, and is not ruling out an investigation that could lead to criminal charges.
A spokesman for U.S. Central Command, which has responsibility for operations in Iraq, confirmed to FOX News that a chart published in The Times is a real reflection of the thinking of military intelligence on the situation in Iraq as of Oct. 18, adding that an effort is underway to find out who leaked the chart and if the breach of operational security constitutes a crime.
The published report includes a classified one-page slide show from an Oct. 18 military briefing. The slide show is titled: "Iraq: Indications and Warnings of Civil Conflict," and shows spiraling violence in Iraq and a worsening position for American efforts.
Based on the slide show, Iraq is moving sharply away from "peace," designated in green on the left side of the chart, to a point much closer to the red-zoned right side of the spectrum, marked "chaos."
News flash to the Pentagon: This is kinda like letting someone break into your house, steal your valuables and rough up your family, only to get pissed off when they trample on the grass while leaving.
If the government wants to start nailing those who leak classified information during a time of war, they should start with the most important cases, not much less important ones such as this.
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The first two, NSA and SWIFT, weren't DOD back yard. The military has fewer political concerns and less wiggle room on classified material. Too bad NSA and Justice aren't the same way.
Posted by: Paul at November 02, 2006 12:22 AM (HMgsG)
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Hehe,
Only the Pentagon would think the current state of Iraq is a secret...
Posted by: monkyboy at November 02, 2006 04:36 AM (unUeA)
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The so-called "state of Iraq" put forward by the media couldn't be a secret because it's a farrago of lies, apelad.
Posted by: Robert Speirs at November 02, 2006 09:30 AM (D1aQ7)
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Perhaps the reason that they got so upset about this one, is that this is an actual transfer of documents. Since supposedly most of the "facts" in the other story's were false, and only transfered based on verbal recollection of 2 very complicated programs, whereas this is a clear reproduction (which there is no doubt that it is illegal to publish) of a classified document that the times has no right to have, they know they have no right to have it, because it clearly says "classified" and they published it, even though they knew that it is illegal for them to publish it.
Thats why they are hammering down on this one, because all of the guilt is in your face with just one printed word "classified"
The other stories were rumors based on unnamed reliable sources that didn't include the exchange of classified documentation.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 02, 2006 10:04 AM (QTv8u)
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Uhhh, Robert? If it's all media-generated lies, then why does the classified military appraisal _agree_?
Posted by: legion at November 02, 2006 10:25 AM (3eWKF)
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The appraisal doesn't say that legion. Gateway has a comparisson.
There is only one "red caution" statement and that is about the use of violence in sectarian conflict, well, duh. everything else is median or better.
What you are saying is what was reported, and what was reported is inaccurate. The prolly wrote the headline before they got the document, hell they prolly wrote the headline before the war.
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Wickedpinto, I think you are absolutely correct. The transfer of an actual "classified" document did indeed push the DOD "over the edge". It was most likely the "straw that broke the camel's back". It was bad enough when the NYSlimes printed classified information regarding our counterterrorism programs, but much, much worse when they reduced themselves to printing actual documents. I sincerely hope the DOD is serious enough that the guilty party finds himself/herself in court facing some very serious charges.
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As seems to be his pattern lately, Andrew Sullivan suckles onto one fact and uses it to fatten up a dishonest charge he cannot support:
While the media is obsessed parsing the ad libs of someone on no ballot this fall, something truly ominous has just happened in Iraq. The commander-in-chief has abandoned an American soldier to the tender mercies of a Shiite militia. Yes, there are nuances here, and the NYT fleshes out the story today. But the essential fact is clear.
What Andrew Sullivan obtusely states as "fact" is nothing of the sort.
U.S. forces withdrew from checkpoints around the Sadr City slum at Prime Minster Maliki's request, but it is quite a leap to suggest that by turning over checkpoints to the Iraqi Army, that efforts to secure the release of captured U.S Army translator Ahmed Qusai al-Taei have been abandoned.
Does Sullivan honestly believe, and does he even have the basis to believe, that the cordons around Sadr City were the only measure being taken to secure al-Taei's release? If so, Sullivan betrays a stupefying naiveté. More likely, however, he just abandoned any pretense of honesty in favor of a cheap partisan shot that suits his increasingly fractured and incoherent ideology.
I'll state in advance that I do not know specifically what U.S. and Iraqi military, police and political forces are doing to retrieve al-Taei (nor would I reveal the details if I knew them), but what I can state with a fair degree of certainty is that those who kidnapped him at gunpoint:
- had planned the kidnapping in advance
- had a pre-planned and nearby location where they would take al-Taei, in what they consider a safe and sympathetic area from which they are very unlikely to move
It is almost certain that al-Taei was already in this pre-planned containment area before a cordon was ever established. They are now even less likely to move him because of the much greater risk of exposure that any move would entail.
We also know that a passive cordon would only be part of an overall plan to rescue this missing soldier, based upon all-too recent experience.
When Pfcs. Menchacha and Tucker were kidnapped by al Qaeda in June,
more than 8,000 soldiers from the U.S. and Iraqi armies participated in the search. We know that forces have actively searched for al-Taei by
foot and air, and that there is no sign that the active searches, those that are most likely to be effective at this late stage of the kidnapping, have abated in the least.
Sullivan, of course, does not mention this, perhaps purposefully.
He wouldn’t want to ruin his pre-determined narrative:
The U.S. military does not have a tradition of abandoning its own soldiers to foreign militias, or of taking orders from foreign governments. No commander-in-chief who actually walks the walk, rather than swaggering the swagger, would acquiesce to such a thing. The soldier appears to be of Iraqi descent who is married to an Iraqi woman. Who authorized abandoning him to the enemy? Who is really giving the orders to the U.S. military in Iraq? These are real questions about honor and sacrifice and a war that is now careening out of any control. They are not phony questions drummed up by a partisan media machine to appeal to emotions to maintain power.
Actually, these
are "phony questions drummed up by a partisan media machine," and, that machine is an intellectual
Trabant at that.
Andrew Sullivan disingenuously misrepresents a small (and increasingly irrelevant) part of the rescue effort as the entire rescue effort, discounting all active military and police searches, intelligence gathering efforts, and back-channel political maneuvering that we know from past experience is certainly taking place.
I don’t expect Sullivan to be nonpartisan or ideologically neutral, but a do expect him to approach the subject with at least a hint of intellectual honesty that he has not thus far shown.
11-02-06 Update: Fox News confirms this morning that the back channel negotiations I mentioned above are indeed occuring. More
here.
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Got to disagree with you on this one. we set up the roadblocks to help us find the guy. if they were being dismantled because they were viewed as ineffective, that would be one thing. but that isn't what happened. they were taken down because the bozo maliki demanded they be dismantled. you can quibble all you want about other steps being taken, but when you take away something that is viewed as critical, it's hard to argue that getting the guy back is our top priority.
Posted by: steve sturm at November 01, 2006 04:32 PM (EnsCM)
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You are wrong on this one. The checkpoints were removed because al-Sadr demanded it through al-Maliki. Since when does al-Maliki give orders to U.S. forces? Especially forces attempting to find a captured U.S. soldier.
Sullivan is right and you are wrong. You can try to spin it all you want.
Posted by: Pug at November 01, 2006 05:44 PM (r5zYa)
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Sullivan is still an idiot because while Kerry may not be on the ballot (thanks be to God), his idiot comments are a reminder of the rhetoric and shenanigans of the Democrat Party over the past 5 years. I have plenty of reasons to vote against the GOP but nothing to vote FOR the Democrats. If anything they give me even more reason to vote against them in spite of what makes me angry with the Republicans.
Posted by: John at November 01, 2006 06:25 PM (tROri)
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Andrew Sullivan knows about as much Jean-Francois Kerry does about the military and the people who serve in it.
It is not surprising, thought. Both of these guys think with the wrong head.
Posted by: Nahanni at November 01, 2006 08:00 PM (TOit4)
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Steve, i agree with you. The purpose of setting up the checkpoints is what to really look at. I don't like how they were taken down and under whose direction.
However, we can all agree they are still looking for him, so "abandon" is the wrong word. But this does seem to diminish their efforts.
Posted by: runner at November 01, 2006 09:28 PM (cPZB0)
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My understanding is that the Iraqis are going to be doing the checkpoints themselves. And I also heard that the Iraqis had arrested several people while looking for the soldier. And how do we really know who has the soldier? This is Iraq, someone could be pulling a fast one.
It just might be that there is more to all this than we know. Maliki is trying to look independent while at the same time trying not to run off the coalition. It would help if the US could gaurantee the Iraqis that we would not cut and run, but we can't and so it should not surprise us to see them trying to do more on their own.
Posted by: Terrye at November 01, 2006 11:19 PM (TfVRt)
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Well, checkpoints and cordons are an incredibly disruptive and labor-intensive way of searching for someone. It's not the sort of thing you just throw up randomly & hope you get lucky - it's only worthwhile if you have real reason to believe the victim is in the immediate vicinity.
We could have the entire 1st Infantry engaged in looking for this guy, but if they're not looking in the town we apparently believe him to be in, it's pretty flippin' pointless. We just got rooked by al-Maliki, and there's no other way to see it.
Posted by: legion at November 02, 2006 10:30 AM (3eWKF)
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Yeah, well, Bush isn't on the ballot, either, and the Dems haven't shied away from making him an issue in the campaigns of others.
"He believes what Bush believes." ergo: Bad
"He believes what Kerry believes" turnabout is fair play.
We abandoned the checkpoints because we were told to by the soveriegn government of the country to do so.
If we didn't abandon them, we'd be "defying the soveriegn Iraqi government". Since we did we are "abandoning our soldiers to a foreign militia."
If Bush eats ham, he's insulting Muslims and creating more terrorists. If Bush does not eat ham, he doesn't care about American pork farmers. If Bush listens in on Al Queda phone conversations coming into the U.S., he's "Big Brother invading our privacy". If he does not, he is "failing to protect America from what he should have known." If he wipes his nose he's killing trees. If he doesn't he's spreading disease -- engaging in Biological Warfare on his own people!
See a pattern here? Bush Wrong. The Moonbat Prime Directive.
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A Word of Thanks
I've been a bad blogger.
John Hinderaker, Paul Mirengoff, and Scott Johnson over at
Powerline graciously picked me to be their "Blog of the Week," and my RSS feed has been featured at the top of the page at
Powerline News, sending me oddles of first-time readers that I hope will take this opportunity to bookmark
Confederate Yankee and make this site a daily read.
While I haven't personally met John or Paul, I did get to spend Friday evening and part of the day Saturday with Scott (along with many other excellent bloggers) at
Carolina FreedomNet 2006, and found him to be a delightful person I appreciate the opportunity they've given me to earn your trust and your readership.
Thanks.
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A Pickshure Is Werth A Thousand Wurds
A written response to "Jon Carry" from the American soldier.
Hat tip:
Michelle Malkin, who notes this picture has made it to
Drudge as well.
Update: Retired Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney calls for Kerry’s resignation.
Not that it will happen. By insulting the military, Kerry's playing to his base.
Update: Kerry
finally apologizes.
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Kerry and his staff are so blinded by BDS that, in their attempt to disparage Bush, they didn't even notice how the comments would be insulting to the troops.
Not smart, not funny, not cool.
Posted by: SouthernRoots at November 01, 2006 02:39 PM (jHBWL)
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Well CY....I saw it here first. Now you owe me a new keboard and monitor. Coffee and the aforementioned items don't mix well....LOL
Posted by: Specter at November 01, 2006 09:08 PM (ybfXM)
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Prowder ta bee a miniesowton aftr seein that foto then i hav bin fur a long tym.
Thanks to the Minnesota troops and all the soldiers serving our country.
John in MTKA
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Going His Own Way
I haven't read John Cole's blog Balloon Juice in quite a while, but when his post This is No Fun popped up on memeorandum.com this morning, it piqued my interest enough for me to want to see what he had to say, especially as many of the more prominent liberal blogs seemed to be linking it.
Essentially, Cole provided his
bona fides as a long-time Republican who feels that today's Republican Party no longer represented his views. I can respect that.
I don't think that any American should feel that they owe either political party, or even a larger ideology, a lifetime of dedication from the metaphorical cradle to grave. As we grow older and mature, our life experiences impact how we view the world and that affects our perspective, sometimes radically. In general, as people grow older they tend to grow more conservative, but there will always be those that started out as being more conservative who shift their viewpoints towards more liberal philosophies.
It is also quite normal for those who have made a radical shift from one philosophical point of view to another to find tremendous fault in their former stablemates. David Brock certainly did so going from conservative to liberal, just as has former 60s radical David Horowitz did going from liberal to conservative. Their is also an apparent need for those making such ideological transitions to prove themselves to those they now find themselves aligned with.
I don’t know when things went south with this party (literally and figuratively- and I am sure commenters here will tell me the party has always been this bad- I disagree with that, and so do others), but for me, Terri Schiavo was the real eye-opener. Sure, the Prescription Drug Plan was hideous and still gets my blood pressure pumping, and the awful bankruptcy bill was equally bad, and there were other things that should have clued me in, but really, it was Schiavo that made me realize this party was not as advertized.
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I am not really having any fun attacking my old friends- but I don’t know how else to respond when people call decent men like Jim Webb a pervert for no other reason than to win an election. I don’t know how to deal with people who think savaging a man with Parkinson’s for electoral gain is appropriate election-year discourse. I don’t know how to react to people who think that calling anyone who disagrees with them on Iraq a “terrorist-enabler” than to swing back. I don’t know how to react to people who think that media reports of party hacks in the administration overruling scientists on issues like global warming, endangered species, intelligent design, prescription drugs, etc., are signs of… liberal media bias...
And it makes me mad. I still think of myself as a Republican- but I think the whole party has been hijacked by frauds and religionists and crooks and liars and corporate shills, and it frustrates me to no end to see my former friends enabling them, and I wonder ‘Why can’t they see what I see?” I don’t think I am crazy, I don’t think my beliefs have changed radically, and I don’t think I have been (as suggested by others) brainwashed by my commentariat...
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I feel like I am betraying my friends in the party and the blogosphere when I attack them, even though I believe it is they who have betrayed what ‘we’ allegedly believe in. Bush has been a terrible President. The past Congresses have been horrible- spending excessively, engaging in widespread corruption, butting in to things they should have no say in (like end of life decisions), refusing to hold this administration accountable for ANYTHING, and using wedge issues to keep themselves in power at the expense of gays, etc. And I don’t know why my friends on the right still keep fighting for these guys to stay in power.
I disagree with Cole on many of the policy points in his post, but that does not make either of our opinions on these or other issues invalid, just different.
What I do find a bit perplexing is statements like this:
...the whole [Republican] party has been hijacked by frauds and religionists and crooks and liars and corporate shills...
I'm not quite sure what to make of this and related statements in his post.
Frauds and crooks and liars exist in both parties, far more than either side would like to admit. Criminal behavior is bi-partisan, and has been since this nation was founded, with the party in power at the time being more potentially corruptible simply because they are more powerful and therefore more attractive to those who would be corrupters.
As Republicans currently hold power across the board on the federal level, their influence makes them more of a target at this present time, just as even a cursory examination of history will reveal that when Democrats have held more power, they, in their own turn, have also proven to be quite corruptible to similar interests. Cole, I hope, won't be crushed yet again when the Democrats he has now apparently allied himself once more take power (which I hope will be later, rather than sooner) and prove that they are also far from pure.
I suspect that deep down, he is already aware of this truism, and that he is just using this temporary excuse as a cover for a deeper felt affront that seems to be tied more to an aversion for what he terms "religionists" (just a half-step from Andrew Sullivan's "Christianists").
By his own admission, the Terri Shiavo case which polarized many deeply affected Cole, and it seems fair based upon the comments in this post that Cole's version of what the Republican Party should be, is a party that should not embrace those people who are religious. If I misstate his views I apologize, but that is what he appears to say.
Cole, of course has other complaints: about fiscal responsibility, public policy, and the War on Terror under the Republicans, and most of these complains at least have debatable merit.
The sad thing, however, is that as Cole has rejected Republicans, he seems to have reflexively thrown in his lot with not the moderate middle where his stated interests would seem to reside, but with the most extreme elements of the political far left. From Oliver Willis to Daily Kos to Glenn Greenwald and others, Cole has apparently become the darling for those who hold political views that are also in apparent opposition to what Cole states he believes.
The Republican Prescription Plan may be bad, and yet his newest proponents support the boondoggle of socialized medicine. The Bankruptcy Bill was abhorrent, and yet his new allies support raising taxes, which also hurts those living on the financial edge. He disagrees with how the War in Iraq is being fought, and aligns himself with those who would prefer that we instead embrace defeat. What he states he believes and who he currently finds himself "in bed with" (metaphorically speaking) seem to be diametrically opposed.
He ends his post by saying that he doesn't know where it is going. It seems more likely that he knows his precise destination, but is unwilling or unable to realize how far past center to the other extreme he has gone.
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You describe the second greatest problem of our era (the greatest being that islam is now waging war to destroy civilization). There is no party that is really dedicated to the individual rights of life, liberty, and property.
The republicans are closer to this ideal than the democrats, but as the ADA (Bush Sr.), drug plan, Sarbanes-Oxley, etc. prove, they are not exactly based on the idea of leaving people alone to manage their own lives.
The dems used to be about freedom of speech and religion, but they are pushing their religion of environmentalism/feminism/anti-white racism/animal rights/pacifism down everyone's throats.
My view is that the repubs can't be trusted to save the country, but the dems *can* be trusted to *destroy* it.
Posted by: Bearster at November 01, 2006 05:27 PM (YyTqJ)
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I get so tired of hearing people bitch about Terri Schiavo. The woman is dead, they got what they wanted. Why not leave it alone?
Posted by: Terrye at November 01, 2006 06:24 PM (sYoKq)
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I left the following at Ballon Juice: Cole, you’re as right as Sullivan or Greenwald. It’s always interesting to listen to you all proclaim why voting Dem advances conservative, and especially libertarian ideals. And convincing to those whom are already idealogically alligned with Sully, Ellison, and you. But not convincing to real libertarians.
Cole's response? Just user[sic] smaller sentences, Bains: “BUSH GAVE ME TAX CUTS.”
Let's see... Dems will give me nothing I want, but Bush cutting my taxes is bad?
Like you, I stopped reading John Cole over a year ago.
Posted by: bains at November 01, 2006 07:23 PM (/t1Mz)
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Terrye: the problem is that she was *already dead*.
The reason why people were turned off by Bush and the republicans is that they were behaving like democrats often do on other issues. Namely:
1) Federalizing what should be a local issue
2) Usurping and abusing power
3) Refusing to hear the voice of reason
4) Attacking individual rights
5) Pushing their agenda down others' throats
Believe it or not, there are many people who vote republican *in spite of* rather than *because of* their religious agenda.
God protect us from the day when our only choice is secular dictatorship (dems) vs. theocratic dictatorship (repubs).
For over 1000 years, the western world had a chance to see what a Christian theocratic dictatorship was like. During the 20th century, we had a chance to see what several atheist dictatorships were like.
The tiger or the tiger. I'll take what's behind door number 3 please!
Posted by: Bearster at November 02, 2006 09:18 AM (YnrWz)
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Cole's just going through his typical spiritual menstrual period. Give him a week in a tank with Democrats, and he'll be back, begging to be let back in. And, if anyone asks me, he'll be directed to the back door.
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All Those Right Wing Morons
"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq."
Those were the words of Democratic Senator John Kerry on Monday night while campaigning for fellow Democrat Phil Angelides in California.
By midday Tuesday, outrage from the active duty military, veterans groups, online pundits, talk radio personalities and conservative politicians (and from conservative politicians that are veterans) had reached a crescendo, and Kerry, instead of apologizing, stated that he would
not apologize, instead stating that the controversial line was targeted at the White House.
Funny, that.
I read the line, delivered at a Democratic campaign rally at a college campus, and cannot see how Kerry can claim how what he said could be construed as anything other than an insult to the intelligence of those Americans who chose to serve in the Armed Forces. Kerry's implication is clear:
"If you are smart and do well in school, you can be successful. If you don't do well in school, and you don't make an effort to be smart, you'll end up in the military... and shipped off to fight in a war I do not support."
How can any logical person construe this as an attack on President Bush or his leadership, as Kerry claimed? Clearly, neither the President, not the White House, nor even conservative politicians were referenced or even implied in what Kerry said. His statement, regardless of intent, directly challenges the intelligence of those who have and will join the Armed Forces of the United States.
This of course is not the first time that Kerry has slandered American servicemen and women. He has a long history of such behavior, dating back to the 1970s and his infamous and unsupported "Genghis Khan" testimony, to his more recent allegations in our current conflict in Iraq that U.S. military forces were "terrorizing" Iraqis. When given a chance to attack the enemy, Kerry consistently defines the "enemy" as those wearing camouflage and the flag of the United States on their sleeves.
Accidentally or not, John Kerry has offended those who serve this nation, and will not apologize to those he slandered.
To me, that speaks volumes both about the man, and the Democratic Party that he represents.
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At It Again
It looks like someone is trying to steal Michael Yon's pictures. Again.
This time?
The
Washington State Democratic Party, on behalf of congressional candidate Darcy Burner.
Interestingly enough, this seems to be the second time a Democatic group has stolen intellectual property while trying to "help" Burner get elected.
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Apparently, WSDCC has settled with Yon for "past use" of the image.
Photographer says Iraq photo misused in Burner flier
Still leaves WSDCC with an issue over the copyright problem with TVW.
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The Charge of the Lightweight Brigade
It seems that John Kerry can't quit charging the guns:
Senator John Kerry issued the following statement in response to White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, assorted right wing nut-jobs, and right wing talk show hosts desperately distorting Kerry’s comments about President Bush to divert attention from their disastrous record:
"If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did.
I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq. It disgusts me that these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have.
The people who owe our troops an apology are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it. These Republicans are afraid to debate veterans who live and breathe the concerns of our troops, not the empty slogans of an Administration that sent our brave troops to war without body armor.
Bottom line, these Republicans want to debate straw men because they're afraid to debate real men. And this time it won't work because we’re going to stay in their face with the truth and deny them even a sliver of light for their distortions. No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut and run policy in Afghanistan and a stand still and lose strategy in Iraq."
I'm almost overwhelmed at how politically tone-deaf John Kerry in posting this response on his Web site.
Almost.
Not only does Kerry refuse to apologize for slandering those serving our country, he actually has the gall to try to go on the offensive and attack those condemning his comments. As many of the "assorted right wing nut-jobs" attacking him are
current and former members of the military, Kerry insults them not once, but twice.
Kerry even goes so far as to insist that those who are enraged at his slur have resorted to lies and distortions, even though his comments were captured in print, audio, and video formats. The context of his comments was quite clear, and it is disingenuous for him to try to say the video evidence he freely gave of his own accord was a distortion.
His comments devolve from there into what even reads as a high-pitched and hysterical shrieking that seems to indicate that Kerry's immeasurable gaffe is somehow the Bush Administration’s fault. Certainly, the rant will play well on the far left fringe of the Democratic Party, but it serves to alienate almost everyone else in the country that expected a measured apology, not a second attack.
Allied against the overwhelming core of the American populace that respects the military even if they have not served, an anemic John Kerry continues to futilely charge into the guns, perhaps snatching a more perfect Democratic defeat from the jaws of possible victory once more.
Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turn'd in air,
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army,
while
All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the sabre stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.
Cannon to the
Right of Them.
Cannon to the
Center.
Cannon
all around.
The magic hat lies (and lies, and lies... )
shatter'd and sunder'd.
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Not only does Kerry refuse to apologize for slandering those serving our country, he actually has the gall to try to go on the offensive and attack those condemning his comments.
Umm... I think the idea is that he _wasn't_ trying to insult those serving our country - he was insulting those _running_ our country. Slight difference.
Posted by: legion at October 31, 2006 04:54 PM (3eWKF)
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I don't think Kerry's biggest mistake was underestimating soldiers' education, but that he argued being a soldier is some kind of a punishment for being lazy. I know that American soldiers aren't all high school dropouts, but even if they were, they would still be heroes for risking their lives for others. The point is, their education is beside the point.
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Umm... I think the idea is that he _wasn't_ trying to insult those serving our country - he was insulting those _running_ our country.
Have you bothered to listen to the audio, or watch the video? Kerry cleary was referring to our military, and was not in any way referencing anything or anyone else.
What's more, instead of apologizing (if he didn't mean to say what he said), he issues a comment flatly stating he will not apologize.
He must relish the taste of shoe polish.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 31, 2006 07:12 PM (HcgFD)
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That brown stuff on Kerry's shoes isn't seasonal pumpkin pie ...
What a flamer!
Maybe he meant to apologize before he decided not to ...
Posted by: Retired Spy at October 31, 2006 07:44 PM (Xw2ki)
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Excerpted and linked at Bill's Bites >> Jean Fraud Kerry -- Still Lovin' Our Troops
Get your gear for the next Kerry Lied rally here. "Proud Veteran-American. Silent No More!" We haven't gone away, Johnny, and we haven't forgotten. We're still here, locked and loaded, waiting for you to crawl back out from under that rock again. Bring it on, Johnny.
Bill FaithUSAF 1970-1974Proud Viet Nam VeteranWebmaster, www.oldwardogs.us
Posted by: Bill Faith at October 31, 2006 07:52 PM (n7SaI)
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"It's magnificent, but it's not war."
And it's really stupid on Kerry's part to keep insisting the only valid commentary on his positions on military matters can come from current and prior military. Almost all of us loath him, so all he gets from us is grief.
Since so few from the Left serve or have served, I guess they can speak as long as they agree with whatever postition he has at the moment. That means they have to be super flexible.
Maybe he deserves to be called "Sailor" Kerry after all, because he changes direction with every shift in the political breeze.
Posted by: Major Mike at October 31, 2006 08:01 PM (bc5O8)
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And it's really stupid on Kerry's part to keep insisting the only valid commentary on his positions on military matters can come from current and prior military.
The only valid commentary can come from current and prior military that agree with him....
Otherwise, their commentary is invalid. (re: Col. Bud Day, Medal of Honor recipient)
IF it was a joke, and he screwed up the punchline - he's a fool for not saying so immediately.
Jokes where the punchline is screwed up are just - bad.
Besides, if he was trying to slam Bush for being poorly educated, Bush had a slightly higher GPA than Kerry.
His "manly non-apology" only made it worse and finally pushed it into the MSM. How Rove got him to be so stupid is still a mystery.
Posted by: SouthernRoots at October 31, 2006 08:52 PM (jHBWL)
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How Rove got him to be so stupid is still a mystery.
Speaking of Rove...here's the opening paragraph of another blogger...quite the comedian.
Democrats must be cursing that damn Karl Rove. How does he do it? From where in the black depths of his soul did he conjure the idea of putting a microphone in front of John Kerry’s mouth during the last week of a campaign season? We all know the truth now, and it is incontrovertible: Karl Rove is one magnificent bastard!
Posted by: Politically breezing through at October 31, 2006 09:06 PM (2seXT)
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Perhaps the thing that struck me the strangest about John Kerry's vitriolic non-apology statement was not his personal attacks on Tony Snow and Rush, but this line:
No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut and run policy in Afghanistan....
Huh?
More....
Posted by: Chuck at October 31, 2006 10:41 PM (TetVb)
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I listened to what Kerry said about 10 times, and I felt like that caveman on the Geico commercial, shaking by head after being so openly insulted. It wasn’t a miscommunication. Nobody is twisting his words. He was perfectly clear, and he was echoing what many on the Left say in private. Even if I give it the most gracious interpretation, it’s still a terrible thing to say, and a really odd position for a political party to hold.
At first I thought it was a Jimmy the Greek type of thing, but then after rant, I get the impression that he's calling me a liar for being offended.
I guess according to Kerry, I should "try to be smart".
Posted by: brando at November 01, 2006 12:22 AM (K+VjK)
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This is totally unbelievable - Not that Kerry would put his foot in it again - but that people would support the statement and/or buy into the spin manufactured after-the-fact by his press people.
C'mon - If you believe it was supposed to be a joke - one that he was reading directly from cue cards (or are we supposed to believe that a D student memorizes entire speeches) - then you must admit that he shows his lack of intelligence by not being able to read.
I think he meant what he said, and said what he meant. It makes much more sense when combined with the rest of his history. And he wasn't bright enough to figure it out. It was some staff person that went , "Oh $&it, I can't believe he said that. We better figure out how to spin this one now. Again...gawwwwd help us with this guy."
Posted by: Specter at November 01, 2006 08:20 AM (ybfXM)
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Let's go so far as to give him the benifit of the doubt and he screwed up a joke about Bush.
He blew the joke and slammed the servicemen/women past and present.
He didn't apologize and said he wouldn't because he had nothing to apologize for.
He is blustering his spin and becoming more irate and looking more and more like the A** he is.
I say let him keep running his mouth until the 7th.
Posted by: Retired Navy at November 01, 2006 09:45 AM (elhVA)
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Maybe he deserves to be called "Sailor" Kerry after all, because he changes direction with every shift in the political breeze.
Posted by Major Mike at October 31, 2006 08:01 PM
"OUCH", Mike, that hurt.
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The Silence Hear 'Round the World
The center-right side of the political blogosphere is buzzing this afternoon over a slur made against the military by Democratic Senator John Kerry while Kerry was stumping for California gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides.
Kerry
said:
"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq."
The remark, a slight against the intelligence of the men and women serving in our nation's military, would doubtlessly have been front page news if uttered by a Republican, but instead, the mainstream media has so far largely given the Democratic Senator from Massachusetts a pass.
Not
one story regarding the slur has been posted in major media outlets as reported on Google News as of 1:00 PM, more than 12 hours after Kerry made the comments.
A simple search of Google News For "John Kerry" captured only a
handful of reports from conservative blogs, and the single link to anything approaching a major media outlet was post to a Chicago Tribune blog called
The Swamp.
As for North Carolina media outlets, neither the Raleigh-based television station Web site
WRAL.com nor the McClatchy-owned Raleigh-based newspaper, the
News & Observer, deemed the story worth a mention, even though Fort Bragg, Seymour Johnson Air Force Base, and Pope Air Force Base are all within their readership/viewership, as are Marine Corps Air Station Cherry Point and Marine Base Camp Lejune.
It almost makes you wonder if the media might be attempting to cover for one political party over the other.
Doubtlessly, when the media does catch up to the story, they will present it as a feud between the Republicans and Kerry, not the reprehensible belittling of our men and women in uniform that Kerry's offhand remark so clearly was.
Update: WRAL finally posted an
online article on the subject as I was writing this, setting up the story in such a way as to pit the White House against Kerry.
I guess they had to wait until they could figure out a way to minimize the damage.
Update: It's rare that they deserve such credit, but I'll always give it when due:
AllahPundit reports that CNN ran the video clip of Kerry's comments "a good four or five times within the past hour."
In the wake of running terrorsit propaganda videos
as news on the 19th, that this could be seen as CNN's attempt to "Lurch" back towards the middle.
Update: Kerry refuses to apologize. But he supports the troops!
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When I got home about 2:30 EST CNNHN was discussing the matter with John McCain via telephone.
When I typed "John Kerry Iraq" into Yahoo! News the theme tends to be one of saying the White House accuses Kerry of insulting the troops instead. Even though Kerry said it, it's just speculation and accusation as if we need to analyze and take it in context - at least according to the MSM. But, when a conservative like Rush says something, it's guilty as charged without a need to review and analyze what he said.
Posted by: bws53 at October 31, 2006 03:50 PM (KsKYo)
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Oh, this is ridiculous.
Bush once said that members of al Qaeda were captured, and were no longer a threat.
Maureen Dowd misinterpreted what he said (intentionally or not) and claimed he said AQ was no longer a threat.
People ripped her up and down for that.
And now, when Kerry is zinging Bush, and makes another ambiguous zing at Bush, has an aide explain what he meant to say, and later, in a press conference, says he was zinging Bush, not the troops, people are still trying to insist he was attacking the troops.
Why? Because it's okay when it happens to Kerry, but not when it happens to Bush?
Bush *is* stuck in Iraq (metaphorically speaking), and one can argue that he didn't study the probable results of the war in Iraq, and that's why he's stuck there.
But even if that wasn't true, the aide pointed out that Kerry had intended to say "getting us stuck in Iraq". And that should be the end of the story.
Posted by: Longhairedweirdo at November 01, 2006 12:03 AM (lHqTf)
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Bright people and dumb people go into the military for some of the same, and some different, reasons.
Some of the same: they believe in what is happening there, they think they can make a difference, they think its their duty, they want to pay back for some of what this country gave them.
Some different: its a way to get training, its a way out of a bad economy, its what their family as always done.
If you go into the military, you almost certainly will get sent to Iraqistan -- regardless of how bright or not you are.
Posted by: bill at November 01, 2006 07:39 AM (ZypUE)
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It was not a slur against our military. He was calling the president stupid for getting stuck in Iraq. Read the whole speech, it is as clear as day that he was slamming our idiot president.
Posted by: Mark Stevens at November 02, 2006 04:09 PM (D5Reo)
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John Kerry's Continuing Contempt For the Military
Lurch just can't keep his contempt for our brave soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines hidden any longer.
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”
This mindblowingly stupid comment comes courtesy of Allahpundit, who also has Kerry on audio and video over at
Hot Air.
I hope that members of our military keep in mind that Kerry is only articulating sentiments that many on the far left have held over and passed down to future generations of service-hating leftists since at least the Vietnam War era, and that our military can voice its displeasure with Kerry's "fellow travelers" at the ballot box exactly one week from today.
If Kerry's backhanded slap at those in uniform isn't a call to get "out the vote" for our brave servicemen and servicewomen and those who support them, I don't know what is.
Update: Republican Senator, Navy Pilot and former POW John McCain lets Kerry have it with
both barrels:
Senator Kerry owes an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their education. Americans from all backgrounds, well off and less fortunate, with high school diplomas and graduate degrees, take seriously their duty to our country, and risk their lives today to defend the rest of us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.
They all deserve our respect and deepest gratitude for their service. The suggestion that only the least educated Americans would agree to serve in the military and fight in Iraq, is an insult to every soldier serving in combat, and should deeply offend any American with an ounce of appreciation for what they suffer and risk so that the rest of us can sleep more comfortably at night. Without them, we wouldn't live in a country where people securely possess all their God-given rights, including the right to express insensitive, ill-considered and uninformed remarks.
I'm asking
CY readers to send a copy of Kerry's comments and the link to the Hot Air URL (copy and paste: http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/30/audio-john-kerry-on-americas-lazy-uneducated-military/ ) via email to everyone they know of voting age.
As their selected candidate for President of the United States just two short years ago, John Kerry obviously reflects the mindset of many liberals in the Democratic Party. Let them
all know what you think of them one week from today on November 7.
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Itz niic too no that iam knot ejukated.
Posted by: Retired Navy at October 31, 2006 12:13 PM (y67bA)
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Excerpted and linked at Bill's Bites >> Jean Fraud Kerry -- Still Lovin' Our Troops
Get your gear for the next Kerry Lied rally here. "Proud Veteran-American. Silent No More!" We haven't gone away, Johnny, and we haven't forgotten. We're still here, locked and loaded, waiting for you to crawl back out from under that rock again. Bring it on, Johnny.
Bill FaithUSAF 1970-1974Proud Viet Nam VeteranWebmaster, www.oldwardogs.us
Posted by: Bill Faith at October 31, 2006 02:13 PM (n7SaI)
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Yes, McCain is all the things you describe him to be, and I understand that this gives him gravitas when discussing military matters. Why, though, doesn't it cut that way for Murtha, or even for Kerry? I don't think much of Kerry as a person, but, if military service on the resume makes one an authority, why doesn't it work for him?
Posted by: Doc Washboard at October 31, 2006 02:43 PM (/Wery)
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The right blogosphere is so desperate for something to divert attention that they've seized on the misquoted remarks of someone not even running for office. Hilarious!
I feel bad for them, so let's give 'em this one...I promise not to vote for Kerry next Tuesday unless he apologizes!
Posted by: Ed at October 31, 2006 02:50 PM (yfKhZ)
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Ed: Independents who favor and respect the military could be swayed by this as being emblematic of the Dem's true feelings. As well, it has a sobering affect on dwadling Republicans to vote against the Dems.
Pray tell us how Kerry was "misquoted" when you can watch him utter these stupid remarks.
Posted by: wjo at October 31, 2006 03:02 PM (gI0Ku)
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The more he opens his mouth, the more he steps in it. He should just have apologized for what he said and been done with it. The man just doesn't know when to shut up. Maybe he'll keep talking until the 7th.
Posted by: Retired Navy at October 31, 2006 03:02 PM (0EcTE)
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Why, though, doesn't it cut that way for Murtha, or even for Kerry?
Because they've said stupid shit that neutralized any gravitas they may have ever had?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 31, 2006 04:10 PM (AuPsg)
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The criticism spewing from Bush administration, Republican congressman, senators, and other right-wing talking heads of Senator John Kerry’s comments in California rings hollow, meaningless and without substance in light of the more serious changes occurring in our government today.
“Take note: On October 27th President Bush, quietly and almost unnoticed by the mainstream media, signed the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007," which allows President Bush to declare a "public emergency," station troops anywhere in America, and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder." This was passed with no public discussion.
This changes a law passed in the 19th century prohibiting military troops from enforcing domestic law - one of the safeguards that prevents our government from becoming a police state. It’s why we have a National Guard and a Coast Guard (which are law enforcement organizations) that are not a part of the army reserve and the navy (which are military organizations.) President Bush continues to dangerously concentrate the power of the president – and the Republican congress, as usual, rubber-stamps it!
Regarding Senator John Kerry’s inappropriate comment: “…you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." He should have pointed out the fact that under Bush’s miserable leadership, the only way the army could keep it’s minimum enlistment numbers up is by dropping the requirement that army recruits be high school graduates, raising enlistment bonuses while focusing recruiting efforts in economically depressed areas of the country, implementing a stop-loss program and recalling troops from the Individual Ready Reserve.
Since the Bush administration came into power it has fabricated evidence to justify an invasion, condoned torture, eliminated habeas corpus, set up secret prisons around the world, established an unconstitutional domestic wiretapping and spying operation, denied science in favor of corporate interests as it dramatically lowered environmental standards, favored the teaching of creationism as if it were a scientific theory and cut useful social programs to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy.
That the right wing is spending time criticizing a mildly inappropriate comment by Kerry, instead of debating the continuing degradation of our Constitutional rights really shows their twisted priorities. The right wing will never understand why, of the ten Iraq/Afghanistan war veterans currently running for congress, nine are running as Democrats opposing the war.
I, an Iraq war veteran, will never vote for a Republican.
J. Williams
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J.Williams, thank you for your service.
At the same time, I'd like to know where you get your information. The Warner Act you referenced is indeed a real act signed into law, it just doesn't do anything you say it does from what I read. What it does do
The fiscal 2007 National Defense Authorization Act provides more than $530 billion to maintain the military in the shape it must be to win the war on terror.
President Bush signed the bill, officially called the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007, during a small ceremony in the Oval Office this morning. Warner is Virginia’s senior senator and the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
The act provides $462.8 billion in budget authority for the department. Senate and House conferees added the $70 billion defense supplemental budget request to the act, so overall, the act authorizes $532.8 billion for fiscal 2007.
The $70 billion supplemental provision covers the cost of ongoing operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Horn of Africa, as well as other expenses affiliated with the war on terrorism. The supplemental funding also provides $23.8 billion to help “reset” Army and Marine Corps equipment, which is wearing out faster than originally planned because of the war.
The supplemental measure further provides $2.1 billion for the Joint Improvised Explosive Device Task Force, $1.7 billion to train and equip Iraqi security forces and $1.5 billion to help train and equip Afghan security forces.
The authorization act provides a 2.2 percent pay raise for American servicemembers, effective Jan. 1. It continues the Army at its end-strength of 512,400 and raises the Marine Corps end-strength to 180,000. The Army National Guard end strength is set at 350,000.
The act authorizes the expansion of eligibility for the Tricare health care program to all members of the Selected Reserve while in a non-active-duty status and their families. Payment is set at 28 percent of the premium amount established by DoD. The act also prohibits any increase in Tricare Prime and Tricare Select Reserve in fiscal 2007.
The act authorizes $36.6 billion for operations and maintenance costs, including $700 million for body armor and $149.5 million for ammunition.
The act authorizes construction of seven warships, including the next-generation destroyer and the amphibious assault replacement ship. The act also provides $794 million in advance procurement authority for the next generation aircraft carrier, the CVN-21.
The act sets aside $4.4 billion for 22 C-17 Globemaster III airlifters, $1.4 billion for procurement of 14 Marine V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft and $1.5 billion for 43 MH-60R/S helicopters.
The act authorizes $841 million for 122 Stryker combat vehicles, including $41.5 million to replace combat losses. The act also provides $1.4 billion for 20 F/A-22 Raptor fighters and reduced funding for the F-35 Lightning II fighter due to schedule delays.
Your other comments also seem to be either ill-informed agi-prop, or flat out, bald-faced lies.
As for the ten Iraq War vets running for office, it is easy to explain why nine are Democrats; many of the conservative veterans re-enlisted and remain in the Armed Forces, while many who left the service seem to still beleive in the mission.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 31, 2006 07:04 PM (HcgFD)
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Oh, and in response to what you apparently regard as our "low quality" troops:
Our review of Pentagon enlistee data shows that the only group that is lowering its participation in the military is the poor. The percentage of recruits from the poorest American neighborhoods (with one-fifth of the U.S. population) declined from 18 percent in 1999 to 14.6 percent in 2003, 14.1 percent in 2004, and 13.7 percent in 2005. . . .
In summary, the additional years of recruit data (2004–2005) support the previous finding that U.S. military recruits are more similar than dissimilar to the American youth population. The slight differences are that wartime U.S. military enlistees are better educated, wealthier, and more rural on average than their civilian peers.
Recruits have a higher percentage of high school graduates and representation from Southern and rural areas. No evidence indicates exploitation of racial minorities (either by race or by race-weighted ZIP code areas). Finally, the distribution of household income of recruits is noticeably higher than that of the entire youth population.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 31, 2006 07:21 PM (HcgFD)
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CY:
I haven't read the Warner bill, nor will I, but isn't it the case that bills like this always have bizarre riders attached to them? I was under the impression that a brief 300-word summary such as the one you presented would be incapable of listing each and every provision of the bill. Isn't it possible that the clauses that J. Williams mentions are actually there, but buried in fine print?
Posted by: Doc Washboard at October 31, 2006 08:27 PM (7OLas)
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Doc, it is possible. It is also possible I'll get hit by a meteor tomorrow.
It is all but impossible that a concept as important as Posse Comitatus would just get swept aside without anyone noticing or commenting on it.
Think Pinch and the NYT would let that pass without several months of hysteria?
Nah, me neither.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 31, 2006 08:42 PM (HcgFD)
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Hanoi John may not have said what he wanted to say but he sure said what he was thinking. No one can alibi him out of this. You can only make yourself appear as stupid as he has proven time and again that he is.
You could look at it this way. If you stay in school, study hard and do your homework you can grow up to be president. If you are a stupid drunken slackard you can grow up to be an also ran, aka a loser like me.
Posted by: Scrapiron at November 01, 2006 02:16 AM (Eodj2)
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CY,
You can find the offending provision here:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:6:./temp/~c1090ke5Lq:e939907:
Take a peek at Section 1076 entitled, "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies." and Section 333, "Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law"
Also, don't put words into my mouth - I don't regard our troops as low quality. The training we receive is very good. I pointed out that the army dropped the requirement that recruits have high a school diploma and took the other steps I mentioned to keep it's minimum enlistment goals.
Your recruitment statistics refer to all branches of the military. I spoke of the army specifically - The bulk of our troops in Iraq are army and the army has taken the bulk of "enlistment strain" (and the bulk of the casualties in Iraq.) The other branches, especially the Air Force and Navy, have not had the enlistment problems of the army.
I appreciate your constructive criticism. These issues, and the others I mentioned in my previous post, are the ones that deserve public attention and debate.
J. Williams
USCGR
Posted by: James Williams at November 01, 2006 02:55 AM (0w84N)
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Actually, the National Guard ultimately answers to the Federal Government. This was established during the integration of schools in Arkansas so that the Arkansas National Guard would not have the legal ability to oppose the 101st Airborne. Granted, governors still do have some control of their state's National Guard, but they do not have the final say.
As for the Coast Guard, they recently became a department of Homeland Security, yet in times of crisis defer to the Navy for commands---just as the Merchant Marines do.
Posted by: Thomas Copious at November 01, 2006 10:22 AM (UNUic)
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He's right. Who wants to get stuck in Iraq?
If you all disagree with his thinking so much, why aren't you in Iraq?
Posted by: Another View at November 02, 2006 10:23 AM (MKdTV)
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Wow, where do people get their info regarding the military. Especially the National Guard. If it were not for Federal funding, there more than likely would not be a National Guard. The Feds pay my salary for my weekend duty, the equipment is owned by the feds, our guard bases/armories are owned by the feds. The only real thing a state governor has to do with the Guard is the ability to call us up for state emergencies.
Like stated above, the USCG is a Dept of Homeland Security entity and was a Dept of Transportation entity unless there was an all out war and then they become one of the navies fleets.
Posted by: USN_USA_USAF_VET at November 03, 2006 08:43 AM (UuhNc)
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