Confederate Yankee
January 17, 2007
Jamilgate Hits the Airwaves (Bumped)
Update & Bump: My interview on Melanie Morgan's show regarding the Associated Press and Hurriyah is online:
Part 1 (MP3)
Part 2 (MP3)
If you happen to be in the San Francisco area this morning, I'll be discussing Jamilgate with Melanie Morgan on KSFO 560 AM at 7:35 AM PST.
You can listen live
here, and we'll try to get up a version in MP3 format later today.
Update: Welcome KSFO listeners. To catch up on the Jamilgate scandal, please go to
this link and read the collected accounts.
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Just caught your interview by chance -- Great Job! Very clear summary of the story.
Posted by: Claire at January 15, 2007 10:52 AM (l1oyw)
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Linked. I'll be back later to listen to the tape. (OMG, did I just date myself? Did I say "tape"?)
Posted by: Bill Faith at January 15, 2007 02:58 PM (n7SaI)
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I just hope you didn't say anything bad about me. Don't mind if you poke a little fun at the Associated Press, but I hope you put a good word in for me. My job at the police station hangs on your every word. Please be nice.
Jamil
Posted by: Jamil at January 15, 2007 10:14 PM (c7rNU)
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Iraq has gone down the toilet. That happened not because of the AP but because the whole endeavor was ill conceived and ill planned. The latest surge will return us to the Dec 05 level. A step back not forward.
Posted by: John Ryan at January 18, 2007 11:22 AM (TcoRJ)
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Fallen Angels
Just... read.
And keep in mind that this is the fate Dean, Pelosi, Durbin, Hagel, etc would abandon even more Iraqi families to face.
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Back From Iraq
The Hot Air crew of Bryan Preston and Michelle Malkin are safely back from Iraq and their embed at Forward Operating Base Justice, and are rolling out reports pretty fast and furious.
Michelle previews their reporting with video from Baghdad in her latest
Vent, and also provides commentary on
MichelleMalkin.com, in a post titled,
Back From Baghdad.
Bryan Preston begins an analysis of his view of what they learned in
Assessing Iraq on Hot Air.
Michelle notes that the soldiers at FOB Justice would welcome MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews as embeds, and I'm fairly certain that MSNBC could probably pick up the tab of such a trip.
Do you think they'll take up our troops on the offer?
Me neither.
Michelle and Brian also note in their reports that they did make it into Hurriyah, where the Associated Press still apparently maintains that 24 Sunnis were killed and four mosques were "burned and blew up" by Shia militiamen. Do you think they Associated Press is worried? I do.
After
last week's bombshell that AP's source is
not named Jamil Gholaiem Hussein as AP insists, but instead Jamil Gulaim "XX" (his second middle name and last name redacted) according to his personnel records, Linda M. Wagner, Director of Media Relations and Public Affairs for the Associated Press, contacted me within 1.5 when I pressed AP reporter Steven R. Hurst for confirmation.
She stated in part:
Steve Hurst passed your e-mail inquiry along to me. AP stands by the story below, which provides the full name of the source whose existence was acknowledged to AP by Iraq's Interior Ministry spokesman Brig. Abdul-Karim Khalaf in an interview on Thursday, January 4. I have bolded the relevant passages for ease of finding them in the text.
In short, they were standing behind the name Jamil Gholaiem Hussein. But did AP intend to stand behind
all their claims made during their reporting of the Hurriyah incident, where AP reported a total of 24 people killed, and four mosques attacked, "burned and blew up?"
And so I sent the following questions to Linda Wagner yesterday afternoon:
I have some questions for you regarding the Associated Press' reporting of the Hurriyah reporting.
On November 24 and 25, 2006, AP reported four mosques--al-Mustafa, Nidaa Allah, al-Muhaimin and al-Qaqaqa mosques--were attacked "with rocket-propelled grenades, heavy machine guns and automatic rifles," before being "burned and blew up." These allegations were directly attributed to Iraqi Police Captain Jamil Hussein. Successive AP coverage has dropped all mention of three of the mosques. Does the Associated Press still maintain that four mosques were attacked in Hurriyah on November 24, 2006 with RPGs, heavy machine guns and assault rifles, and that these four mosques were burned and blown up?
The AP also cited the Association of Muslim Scholars as a source for a claim that at one of these mosques (al-Muhaimin) "18 people had died in an inferno" as a result of these attacks. Do you think it was responsible of the Associated Press to run these allegations considering that the Association of Muslim Scholars is alleged to have strong ties with both the Sunni insurgency and al Qaeda? Should AP have mentioned these ties to terrorist groups when it cited the AMS as a source? These 18 claimed dead have also disappeared for subsequent AP reports. Does the Associated Press still stand behind this claim they reported?
In both instances, if the Associated Press no longer feels these accounts are credible, don't you have a responsibility as an ethical news organization to print a correction or a retraction of these charges?
Further, I have seen written claims shortly after the first AP claims of an attack that AP Television has video footage of damage to the Ahbab al-Mustafa mosque, where AP source Jamil Hussein claims six men were pulled from the mosque and immolated. Does the Associated Press indeed have such footage? If so, why has it not been mentioned since November 30, and can I obtain a copy of that footage?
If the Associated Press does not have the video footage of damage to the Ahbab al-Mustafa mosque from the attack that left six men immolated, the why has the Associated Press not acknowledged this, and printed a retraction or a correction for this claim?
As you can see, my primary line of questioning is wondering why the AP has back of claims made in the first several days of reporting, without printing a correction or a retraction of these claims.
I'd also like to know if the Associated Press still stands behind the accounts sourced to Jamil Hussein by the Associated Press between April and November of 2006.
Thank you very much for your time.
So far, the AP's Director of Media Relations and Public Affairs that contacted me within 1.5 hours of my contacting another AP employee last week has been silent on this longer list of questions.
Perhaps teh Assocaited Press hasan inkling of what Michelle and Bryan's Excellent Adventure may mean to their Hurriyah reporting. I have a feeling we will all know very soon.
Update: Audio of Michelle's interview on The Laura Ingraham Show.
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CY:
You are way off-base by expecting AP to answer your questions as quickly as they did the first time. To compare that response with not getting a response from your second list of questions is unfair and unreasonable.
It takes a lot of time and effort to create a tissue of lies that will skirt the issues you bring up, but still maintain the look pious infalibility they hide behind.
Cut'em some slack, CY. As the world's largest generator of BS, questions such as yours only server to constipate an otherwise effective mass s**t producer. Sit back, relax, and wait. I'm sure the fertilizer is on the way from these lying bastards.
Posted by: WB at January 17, 2007 11:18 AM (qF6jT)
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Linked ya. Looks like my welcome home post is going to turn into Part 39 of my Jamilgate series.
Posted by: Bill Faith at January 17, 2007 02:30 PM (n7SaI)
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Yeah, but how're you going to handle having blood of the XX family on your hands, you Chimpy wingnut? ; )
Funny how those "progressives" deeply committed to humanitarian values and Iraqi safety have fled CY. The median and average IQ of the commentariat is skyrocketing accordingly.
Cordially...
Posted by: Rick at January 17, 2007 03:00 PM (L/ClK)
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In the addendum to Bryan Preston's first essay on the trip and his impressions, there is a quick reference to our favorite Captain Redacted:
"In another case, as I was standing in front of a mosque shooting video that’s relevant to this whole AP/Jamil Hussein story"
I notice that it is not the rubble, burnt out remains or place where a mosque once stood, but an actual mosque that he was taking video of.
Could it possibly be that one of the four are still standing? Two of the four? All four?
I am sure that AP is digging furiously through its archives for their "footage" so they can compare notes.
This should be interesting.......
Posted by: RS at January 17, 2007 06:25 PM (12l0t)
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That's a neat trick. You have to photo and proff and they don't know what you have. Bet they're sweating BB's by now.
String this out for days or weeks and keep them hopping to make up lies to cover their previous lies.
Great the see Michelle and everyone else back safe. The dhimmi's would have had all of you killed if they could have pinned down your location.
Posted by: Scrapiron at January 17, 2007 10:20 PM (YadGF)
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Baghdad mosques are built of reinforced concrete not wood.
About 36000 civillians were killed in Iraq. Focusing on these 6 or 24 or 30 makes the rest of your arguments look weak. Time to move on.
Posted by: John Ryan at January 18, 2007 11:32 AM (TcoRJ)
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I for one am interested in what the numbers really look like. Is it 6, 24, 30, maybe 0? As the numbers increase (or decrease as it appears in the case of this report) one gets a different impression of what is really going on in Iraq. Are the numbers true at all, inflated by a factor of 2? While no one will suggest that Baghdad isn't a dangerous place, and the loss of a single life is sad, 36,000 gives a much different impression than 18,000 or 12,000. If, in this one particular story, the number is 1/2, 1/3 or none at all, is it possible that this is the only report that could have been inflated?
Let's see.
I was under the impression that there were some very old mosques in Baghdad, some that might even pre-date reinforced concrete, but I will defer to you as you obviously know better. Funny thing though, in this particular report "rampaging militiamen burned and blew up four mosques". If the Captain and AP knew what you know, I guess they would have to change that to "blew up" only. Has to be a pretty hot fire to burn reinforced concrete, I bet!
I am sure that AP and the Captain would like everyone to take your advice and move on....but there just seems to be a few nagging inconsistancies here, don't ya think?
Posted by: RS at January 18, 2007 06:34 PM (12l0t)
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Yes, but do you have any children serving in Iraq? If not, you must be silenced.
Posted by: Paul at January 19, 2007 09:38 AM (eZIE1)
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"Time to move on."
Isn't this what the liberals say each time one of their lies is about to be exposed? No, it's not 'time to move on' but time to reveal the TRUTH!!
Posted by: docdave at January 19, 2007 12:29 PM (SBpOG)
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"You must be silenced"
Paul, I wasn't sure if you were just being sarcastic.....but it did ring a bell that I have seen this type of logic before.....to follow that logic.....how many AP reporters or MSM have children fighting in Iraq?
Posted by: RS at January 19, 2007 02:37 PM (12l0t)
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January 16, 2007
Live The Flavor
A bit off-topic from the regular fare here at CY I know, but a couple of local guys (how local? They sat two rows in front of me in church this past Sunday) have a shot at getting a commercial they shot for a grand total of $12.79 run during the Super Bowl, providing they win a contest run by Doritos.
Watch the commerical, and if you think this home-grown advertising agency deserves their shot at the majors, please consider voting for them.
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Wow! That is local. I recognize the location. I lived not far from there while in grad school at N.C. State, and I ate at the pizza place that used to be right there many times.
Posted by: wjt at January 16, 2007 02:37 PM (O8pjo)
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That got me laughing early in the morning, even BEFORE my coffee.
Posted by: Retired Navy at January 17, 2007 06:06 AM (Mv/2X)
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Very clever, and well done.
Looks like Waverly [something] in the background.
Posted by: Russ at January 17, 2007 12:39 PM (cu9kz)
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Insty Talks Guns in the Times
Glenn Reynolds has an interesting op-ed in the NY Times today noting that communities with higher levels of legal gun ownership face less criminal activity.
Me?
I'm all for it, providing that those who own those firearms use them
responsibly, and
don't use them to chase down those who may have committed minor property crimes. Do that, and you might just find yourself in front of a grand jury, potentially facing a multitude of charges.
An increase in gun ownership
can lead to a safer society, but
only if gun owners use those firearms responsibly, as the overwhelming majority of citizens do.
Update:
Via email, a counterargument. It might be worth noting that Darwinism takes care of this counterargument.
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I am 77 years old. I lived in a time when almost everyone had guns (except in New York City and other stupid cities)and none of the irresponsible actions that liberals so like to say will happen took place. My father lived even earlier, when guns were even more available, and none of these irresponsible acts occurred (except for a very few - so few that they can be considered an almost statistical anomoly). Theories are fine, but they need to be proved by experimentation (as Newton, Eintein, and others have said). In this case, the experimentation has ALREADY occurred, and that is past history. Wake up and study history. As a wise man once said, "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."
Posted by: Len at January 16, 2007 10:46 AM (Hm7dh)
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The occasional crackpot aside, increased gun ownership does lead to a safer society, as Glenn demonstrates in his article. I linked from Gun laws we can live with.
Posted by: Bill Faith at January 16, 2007 01:42 PM (n7SaI)
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Reynolds gets his facts wrong: crime in Morton Grove went down, while crime in Kennesaw didn't change.
Posted by: Tim Lambert at January 16, 2007 11:05 PM (4iwFx)
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Lambert's a moonbat with spun data.
Yo Tim - with the recent Canadian and UK gun bans, what's you excuse for their gun crimes skyrocketing?
You got splaining to do Lucy.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 17, 2007 03:41 AM (K4lJ9)
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I love the guy's wearing an ATF hat. LOL.
Posted by: Specter at January 17, 2007 07:52 AM (ybfXM)
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What Iraq really needs is more guns. Support the NRA of Iraq !
Posted by: John Ryan at January 18, 2007 11:27 AM (TcoRJ)
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A day that will never come is when people place a sign on their front door that says something like "Intruders! We Hate Guns and Wish That You Would Also!".
Posted by: Tom TB at January 19, 2007 10:25 AM (0Co69)
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Pretty Boy
What's in a name?
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That's some pretty insightful insight. Its not hard evidence, but it is something to make you think. Then again, maybe this is why he used the name Jamil Hussein, because his real name is too embarassing. Maybe he should have just called himself MAX POWER.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at January 16, 2007 11:44 AM (oC8nQ)
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Cartoons and Caricatures
Far too often, we tend to oversimplify things, especially when demonizing out ideological opposites. I am as guilty as anyone (my own tagline of "Liberalism is a persistent vegetative state" is a prime example), and yet, that in no way excuses the practice.
I mention that introducing two blog posts that have come to my attention over the course of the past week, one from someone who solicited comment, and one I stumbled across on Memeorandum.com yesterday evening.
Jay Rosen runs NYU's
PressThink blog, and sent along a link to his January 9 post
Grave and Deteriorating for the Children of Agnew, asking for comment and discussion. I hadn't the time to read it in any detail until yesterday evening, and once I'd completed it, I must admit I was disappointed. Go
read it for yourself. I'll wait.
Back? Good.
As a media commenter, educator and critic, I was hoping that Rosen had decided to tackle, at least peripherally, the subject of the Associated Press' questionable (to put it mildly) coverage an apparent cover-up of the Hurriyah incident, that he would approach the problem critically, perhaps looking at the many inconsistencies in AP's ever-evolving storyline, such as the fact that they cited a group with strong ties to the insurgency and al Qaeda (the
Association of Muslim Scholars) as a source without disclosing what their ties were or finding a single account corroborating their claim of 18 men, women and children
burned alive at the al-Muhaimin mosque, that four mosques were attacked with rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs), heavy machine guns and assault rifles before being "burned and blew up,", and that AP Television shot video of one of the attacked mosques.
All of these claims have quietly disappeared from the AP's subsequent coverage without correction or retraction... and yet Rosen seems interested in none of it. Nor does he seem to have any interest in the fact that the
overwhelming majority of stories sources to Jamil Hussein had no independent verification from other news agencies.
No, Rosen was only interested in the Hurriyah story in that it served as an excuse to vilify those conservative bloggers he calls "the children of Agnew," referring to a man who last cast a long shadow on politics most of a decade before many of us commenting on this story were even born.
To pt it mildly, Rosen's post was a whitewash on one hand, and a smear on the other. Quite intent on shooting messengers, he was far more interested in making caricatures of conservative bloggers than objectively looking at the reason for our complaints. To say I was disappointed puts it mildly.
Likewise, I was a bit disgusted by
Why the right doesn’t get Martin Luther King on
The Carpetbagger Report, a blog run by Steve Benen. The blog post attacks conservatives, as you might guess by the title, for "not getting" Dr. Martin Luther King, and apparently attempting establish that only liberals have the ability to claim credit to any part of Dr. King's legacy.
I don't claim to understand everything Dr. King means to most people, and I'd lay for the argument that no-one can claim to understand that legacy and what it really means unless you happen to be an African American born prior to 1958, or thereabouts.
I say that, in the simple understanding that only African-Americans who were at
least ten years old (and I think I'm being very charitable with the maturity of 10-year-olds) at the time of Dr. King's assassination can have any claim to understanding what Dr. King really represented in the context of the civil rights struggle that occurred in this country at that period in history.
To hear a
white male 33-year old from Miami representing a group that is
83% white and young claim to be some sort of ideological heir to Dr. King's legacy with a Clintonesque "I feel your pain" screed would be merely laughable if it wasn't so disgusting.
It is sad we so often we try to reduce our ideological opposites to caricatures and cartoons. Now that I see how pathetic the practice is (one I've clearly participated in myself, I readily admit), perhaps I'll do a better job of shying away from such buffoonery in the future.
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"The idea that the liberal press has to be overcome for conservatives truly to take power started with the Goldwater campaign in 1964, and today’s bias warriors are the inheritors, through Agnew, of that idea."
This opening salvo says all I need to know about Jay Rosen and his credentials as an objective "critic" of the "liberal press" and those who stand against their arrogant and toxic malfeasance and bastardization of a quasi-public trust. Goldwater and Agnew?
Perhaps instead I am the inheritor of Samuel Johnson or Jefferson. I appreciate a free press, I just don't withhold my contempt for a corrupt one.
To write news in its perfection requires
such a combination of qualities, that a
man completely fitted for the task is
not always to be found. In Sir Henry
Wotton's jocular definition, 'An
Ambassador is said to be a man of
virtue sent abroad to tell lies for
the advantage of his country; a
news-writer is a man without virtue,
who lies at home for his own profit.'
To these compositions is required
neither genius nor knowledge,
neither industry nor sprightliness;
but contempt of shame and indifference
to truth are absolutely necessary.
He who by a long familiarity with
infamy has obtained these qualities,
may confidently tell today what he
intends to contradict tomorrow;
he may affirm fearlessly what he
knows that he shall be obliged to
recant, and may write letters
from Amsterdam or Dresden to himself."
Samuel Johnson: (November 11, 175
And for Jefferson, who wrote that he only read the advertisements, because that was the only place he might find the sole remnants of truth out of the entirety of the newspaper.
I, like those men before me...stand firm in my resolve that a free press is a cornerstone of exacting freedom from tyranny...but firmly believe that a corrupted press is the cornerstone for exacting tyranny from freedom.
Each day I pray for the former, yet feel that it is even more clear that we are in the eye of the hurricane of the latter.
Posted by: cfbleachers at January 16, 2007 11:59 AM (5RM9g)
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The Right doesn't "get" Dr. King? Who was it that led an 83-day filibuster against the Civil Rights Act of 1964?
Which side forced President Clinton into signing Welfare Reform into law by making it THE hot item in his re-election year?
For a more current example: What would Dr. King say about the Duke Lacrosse case? Somehow I doubt he would be on the side of Democratic DA Mike Nifong.
Despite all of this (and much more), it's the Right that doesn't "get" Dr. King?
Yeah.
Right.
Posted by: Bard at January 16, 2007 05:37 PM (tJnnl)
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no-one can claim to understand that legacy and what it really means unless you happen to be an African American born prior to 1958, or thereabouts.
I think this is proof enough.
I'd say a decent reading of the Declaration of Independence is the chief prerequisite for understanding King's legacy.
The problem with Americans who don't get King is that they see him as a black hero, and not as an American hero.
Jefferson: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
King: "In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
"It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked 'insufficient funds.' But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check — a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice."
Posted by: Richard B. Simon at January 16, 2007 10:08 PM (uAxaL)
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Yeah... Republicans just don't get what Martin Luther King was about. These are the same dumb Republicans that didn't get slavery, so they pushed for the abolishion of it in 1866 and pushed for the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. I do know that the Democrats did get the idea of wiretapping and spying on Martin Luther King in 1966 (*cough* Attorney General Bobby Kennedy *cough*).
Posted by: Yiddish Steel at January 17, 2007 12:58 PM (TjL02)
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January 14, 2007
More Sectarian Violence
This time it struck not the Hurriyah neighborhood of Baghdad, but my hometown of Greenville, NC. Coincidence?
Probably.
While two churches were burned and another was broken into, there have no Associated Press reports of Baptists being pulled out of Sunday school, doused in moonshine, and burned alive by a mob of Methodists in four-by-fours.
Yet.
In all seriousness, I'm thankful that no one was hurt. As Memorial Baptist's associate minster Rick Bailey noted, "That's bricks and concrete, and that stuff can be replaced."
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Oh please. Stop sugarcoating, the violence has spiraled out of control and Greenville is sliding toward all-out civil war.
Posted by: TallDave at January 15, 2007 03:31 PM (oyQH2)
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Yeah, and if you'd get out of the Columbia Green Zone, or out of your hotel, you could report the truth! Embed with some Sunday schools, perhaps!
Man, you left wing media types!
By the way, the local commander of the SC State Police, Captain Jamie Hussein says that they're just willy-nilly killin' folk out there!
Posted by: Matty J at January 15, 2007 04:12 PM (AUaQ8)
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US out of NC...NOW!!! Redeploy! No blood for tobacco! Communism is good!
Posted by: Cindy the Centrist Mainstreamer at January 15, 2007 04:14 PM (AQj/2)
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The violence has not reached Winterville –yet.
Posted by: jim at January 15, 2007 04:54 PM (eyRxA)
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Do you know why the Baptists build their churches out of brick? It's to repel the Knights of Columbus when they attack.
Posted by: Pete at January 15, 2007 05:54 PM (SPozC)
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The violence seems to be getting out of hand maybe you should move to Iraq, I here the streets are flowing with milk and honey.
Posted by: Jarhead at January 15, 2007 08:41 PM (yW+no)
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Sounds like a quagmire. And how will you ever handle the brutal North Carolina winter?
Posted by: Achillea at January 16, 2007 01:20 PM (ulV3f)
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BECAUSE OF THE CHITLINS!!!
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 16, 2007 01:25 PM (g5Nba)
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January 12, 2007
The Wild, Wild West of... Ohio?
The dateline is Indian Hill, and he's acting like a one-man posse, so close enough:
An Iraq war veteran who drew national attention when he ran for Congress criticizing the president chased three men who had crashed into a fence outside his home, then guarded them with an assault rifle until police arrived, according to police reports.
[snip]
According to a police report, officers were called to Hackett's home on Nov. 19 after a car crashed into a fence and sped away. The officers arrived to find three men lying face down near their car and Hackett with an assault rifle slung over his shoulder.
"He said he had done this about 200 times in Iraq, but this time there was not a translation problem," the police report said.
Hackett told police later that he was carrying a civilian model of an AR-15 and that one round was in the chamber but the safety was on. He said he never aimed the weapon at the men or put his finger on the trigger.
The driver of the car was charged with failure to maintain reasonable control, driving under suspension and carrying a concealed weapon, a pair of brass knuckles.
Admittedly, I'm a couple of days late to this, but how is it that the cops show up to find three guys face-down on the ground in front of a guy that chased them down and then displayed an AR-15, and the guy with the rifle doesn't get arrested?
Even when smothered with lawyerly talk, this seems like a fairly cut-and-dried case of brandishing a weapon, if not assault with a deadly weapon, depending on what the victims/defendents here have to say about the matter. You simply cannot go chase down someone and use a weapon to get them to comply to your demands.
While I am not a lawyer, I have heard of similar circumstances where people "compelled" other people to remain on the scene until the cops arrived with the use of a firearm, and when the cops arrived, they charged the person with the firearm for several crimes, including with something akin to kidnapping or unlawful detainment.
I thank Hackett for his service to our nation in Iraq, but Paul--can I call you Paul?--
You are no longer in Iraq.
You simply can't chase someone down for a property crime with a weapon.
That is a crime. Potentially, it is more than one crime. I'm rather disappointed he wasn't charged on the scene, but at least a grand jury is investigating.
Somehow, I doubt that the (generally gun-hating) netroots would be nearly as accommodating as they seem to be in this case, if any other former soldier decided to use his weapon to enforce the law once he was back home.
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Admittedly, I'm a couple of days late to this, but how is it that the cops show up to find three guys face-down on the ground in front of a guy that chased them down and then displayed an AR-15, and the guy with the rifle doesn't get arrested?
The Golden Rule applies. Indian Hill is an extremely high class suburb of Cincinnati. Property values there were measured in seven or eight digits, thirty years ago. Marge Schott, onetime owner of the Cincinnati Reds, lived there. Carl Lindner, owner of around half a dozen regional or national companies, lives there. Senior executives at Procter & Gamble live there. I'm somewhat surprised a military veteran would have the money to live there. He must have money in the family somewhere.
Oh wait, I see from the Inkwaster, er Enquirer, story that he's a lawyer. That Explains.
Posted by: wolfwalker at January 12, 2007 05:24 PM (MWfz5)
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Apparently he didn't "brandish" the weapon - he simply had it slung.
And it's no crime to carry a weapon...in full view, which that would be.
Posted by: Jeff Shultz at January 12, 2007 06:07 PM (yiMNP)
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He caught criminals. In a perfectly humane and apparently effective way. Why on earth would you want to *prosecute* him?
Posted by: Dawnfire82 at January 12, 2007 06:42 PM (RvTAf)
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I'm with Dawnfire82 - why would you want him prosecuted? He potentially saved peoples' lives by stopping these people. If criminals know citizens will apprehend them, perhaps crime will not be as rampant. What the hell, the criminals all have weapons and use them, why can't citizens use them to protect their property and lives? I am curious, though, as to why he was not brought in and then released.
Posted by: Cheryl at January 12, 2007 07:01 PM (/BpPx)
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He was basically bluffing and they fell for it.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 12, 2007 07:11 PM (clafO)
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Well, its a good thing the guys in the car weren't illegal immigrants and Hackett wasn't one of those crazy Minutemen.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at January 12, 2007 09:20 PM (oC8nQ)
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I had a friend that was arrested for assault and battery for hitting a burglar with a baseball bat in the butt as he chased the guy from his house. The police stated that since the guy had left the house, the use of a weapon was excessive force. He had to plea bargain and got a fine and probation.
I may not agree with the law, but it is the law. In Hartford two weeks ago a man was arrested because someone saw him holding an assault rifle in his apartment window, 3 or 4 floors above the street. He didn't point it at anybody and there was no round in the chamber. But someone saw it and he was arrested.
What makes this guy special? Because he's a lawyer and politically connected? Gee.....
Think of it this way. What if it was a stripper in Durham who held 3 white men at bay using an assault weapon for running into her car? Do you think she would be arrested?
Posted by: Specter at January 12, 2007 09:22 PM (ybfXM)
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I don't know that she would be, Specter. As a society, we love these stories--how many movies, books and TV shows feature the vicarious titillation of vigilante justice.
Personally, I feel that it's a crap shoot whether someone in this guy's situation would be charged.
Posted by: Doc Washboard at January 12, 2007 10:07 PM (PBRH/)
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Hackett appears (I'm not legal eagle) to have possibly violated § 2903.21. Aggravated menacing.
(A) No person shall knowingly cause another to believe that the offender will cause serious physical harm to the person or property of the other person, the other person's unborn, or a member of the other person's immediate family.
Running up to a group of kids with an assualt rifle on your person and yelling that them to get on the effing ground would seem to meet that standard to my layman's eye.
He might also face
§ 2905.03. Unlawful restraint.
(A) No person, without privilege to do so, shall knowingly restrain another of his liberty.
Or perhaps more severely:
§ 2905.02. Abduction.
(A) No person, without privilege to do so, shall knowingly do any of the following:
(1) By force or threat, remove another from the place where the other person is found;
(2) By force or threat, restrain the liberty of another person, under circumstances which create a risk of physical harm to the victim, or place the other person in fear;
He has no legal authority whatsoever to affect an arrest, and to the best of my knowledge, he does not have legal grounds to affect a citizen's arrest. By using a firearm to aid in what appears to be an unlawful restraint or perhaps what is technically an abduction, he may have committed a host of misdeameanors, and perhaps a minor felony or two.
This incident ended peacefully, but had anyone been harmed--either from Hackett's weapon or in flight because of fear of Hackett's weapon--he would be in what I think Chief Justice Waren once called "deep doo-doo."
I've had the desire to chase folks with firearms before (haven't we all?), but there are laws against this sort of thing... many laws against this sort of thing, and I did just a quick search here that took just a few minutes, based upon Hackett's side of the story, which we know is only one side of the story. there could be other elements and potential crimes we are completely unaware of.
I'm not trying to attack Hackett as a person, having little real interest in him one way or the other, but it is not safe nor legal to have civilians with AR-15s thinking they can be the synergy of Rambo and Barney Fife.
If Hackett wants to arrest people, let him join the police.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 12, 2007 10:38 PM (HcgFD)
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CY, Maurice Hinchey tried to slip a loaded handgun through airport security some years ago and NOTHING happened to him.
Nothing is going to happen to this guy.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 13, 2007 01:56 AM (clafO)
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he might have been charged with "Menacing"
that's when you use a weapon to get others to comply with your instructions.
Posted by: FireFireFire at January 13, 2007 08:12 AM (pjXcC)
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CY, you obviously don't live in TX. And with your attitude, TX is just as happy. What these gentlemen did was hit and run. They should have been arrested, by any law abiding citizen. The fact that any adverse consequences might result is why being a criminal has become a realistic profession in this country.
Kidnapping, by definition, involves concealing the abductee from lawful authority. He didn't. I promise you that if I (and lots of my neighbors) were on the jury, he wouldn't get convicted or successfully sued.
Posted by: SDN at January 13, 2007 12:31 PM (hpLSE)
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Yankee, I'd suggest to you that we don't have NEARLY enough "facts in hand" to be passing absentee judgements re: criminality on the part of Hackett. The police did not file charges and considered the matter closed, and the grand jury review referral (from which the story apparently leaked) has not resulted in any indictment. The account provided is sketchy and lacking in the relevant crucial details needed to make such statements, to say the least, and without those details assigning criminality to the actions is a straight rhetoric game.
He did not, by any report I've seen, actually aim a gun at anyone, "brandish" the weapon in a threatening manner, or make threats of force. There is no report that he verbally threatened the criminals, nor did anything but request them to lie on the ground and await police. Legal open possession of a legal weapon may certainly encourage people to comply with such requests, but does not even remotely constitute "assault." If it did, every armed LEO in the nation would be committing "assault with a deadly weapon" every time they asked you for your driver's license. Not to mention a security guard detaining a shoplifter....
I don't care for Hackett's politics, and I think his actions may certainly have been less-than-sensible given the sketchy details available, but I know of no law in Ohio that prohibits him from making requests of people involved in crimes, nor that bars him from the unconcealed possession of a legal firearm. We don't even know from the article if he was on public or private property at the time.
Posted by: Tully at January 13, 2007 03:38 PM (kEQ90)
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Really all this seems to show that if you disagree with Bush than you gotta be guilty of something
Posted by: John Ryan at January 13, 2007 04:21 PM (CARNi)
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200 times in Iraq? C'mon!
Posted by: vinman at January 13, 2007 09:49 PM (whpK4)
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Doc,
This may be the first time I agree with you. The fact is that I think the guy should be allowed to protect his property and to effect a "citizen's arrest." What I was actually pointing out was that if it had been a regular person, they would have been arrested and have to face charges.
Posted by: Specter at January 13, 2007 09:58 PM (ybfXM)
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Not to depress the Hackett flacks with, ohh I dunno, the law or anything but you're not allowed to kill anybody for stealing your car stereo. Or even threatening their lives. It would be nice. But alas, illegal.
See the Supreme Court's well established laws on the use of deadly force.
The same types of rules that prevent police from firing at criminals while driving down the interstate or engaging in high speed chases through residential neighborhoods for minor traffic violations also apply to vigilantes.
Hackett clearly used excessive force for a couple of jackasses who hit his fence. Yea, he didn't "brandish his weapon in a threatening manner". He was chasing them down the street and tapping it on their window in a helpful manner. Like the nutjob he is.
It is nice to see all of the people who like to complain about "the police state" and the PATRIOT Act standing up for Agent Orange speeding down the road with a loaded weapon to threaten a couple of teenagers who are contending that they lost control of their car and hit his fence.
Posted by: smantix at January 14, 2007 11:34 AM (C/Ndo)
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State Law determines the appropriate uses of force.
So Smantix... if I see a r-ape in progress, what should I do? Stand there and call the cops? Politely ask him(or her?) to stop? Or just wander off and let the police deal with it? Seriously.
What about a burglary? Assault? Attempted murder? That's all the authorities' responsibilities I guess. I'll just shut my doors and hope that if one of my neighbors sees someone assaulting me and mine that they'll have the guts to disobey your law and do something about it.
This kind of social conditioning encourages criminal behavior. When I was a kid we were always told 'give the bully what he wants; what's more important to you, your life or your stuff?' and the like. You know what that means? An entire generation of easy targets. Why not be a criminal?
Posted by: Dawnfire82 at January 14, 2007 01:04 PM (RvTAf)
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CY, I'm impressed. Oddly enough, I think that I may even have more conservative views than you on this one. This is a good conversation topic with a lot of latitude for debate, which everyone seems to be enjoying. Nicely done.
"200 times in Iraq? C'mon!"
If you're part of a team that does raids and sweeps, it's not unrealistic to have 200 similar situations. Maybe not actual chases, but high tension situations where you need to control people.
Posted by: brando at January 14, 2007 01:07 PM (uZ35s)
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Dawn - the standard is whether you feel your life is in danger. I'd say murder, home invasions, and the sort would definitely qualify. And that's the point, if you can't make a distinction between someone sexually assaulting you and someone jumping the curb and striking your fence - you may want to brush up on the law.
The opinion in Garner vs. Tennessee is a standard many states have. A 15 year old teenager breaks into a house and steals ten dollars. The police show up and see the suspect attempting to jump a fence and shoot him in the back. Excessive Force.
Killing someone for stealing ten dollars is excessive force. Killing (or threatening to kill) someone for crashing into your fence would be no different.
It would be no different if someone hits your car in the parking lot and doesn't leave a note. Can you get their license plate number and sue them? Yes.
Can you weave through traffic while chasing them with a loaded weapon and performing a "citizens arrest"? Well, you can but chances are you will go to jail for it. You are making a bad situation worse.
Hackett will be getting off easy. I'm a big believer in the 2nd Amendment but even if someone broke into your house and you surprised them with a gun - if they take off running and you shoot them in the back then it is likely you would be prosecuted.
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smantix, you are going WAY beyond the known information to cast Hackett as committing crimes. You seem to be pulling allegations out of your posterior orifice. Do you have a seat on that grand jury? Were you at the scene? Do you work at the Hamilton County DA's office? No?
You're blatantly making things up to attack Hackett. I don't care for Hackett's politics, but I'm not going to lynch him just because I don't like him and think he was a dumbass to follow the car. Which seems to be your approach. We can wait for the facts, and the grand jury will indict or not indict based on better info than we have available. But if the responding officers did not see fit to arrest, it's unlikely he'll be prosecuted.
Best guess would be that the complaint was forwarded to the grand jury by the lawyers of the arrested offenders, in an attempt to create some technical wiggle room for their clients' benefit, and/or to force charges against Hackett to bolster a civil suit of their own against him.
Posted by: Tully at January 15, 2007 03:52 PM (kEQ90)
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FWIW, in South Carolina, "brandishing" a weapon can mean simply allowing it to be seen.
smantix: and then drove off. Which doesn't necessarily justify Hackett's actions, but does change the context of the incident.
Posted by: Rick C at January 15, 2007 04:22 PM (+o4Qy)
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That is a very conservative part of the country. The prosecutor is not going to give him a hard time for defending his home, not if the prosecutor wants to be re-elected.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at January 15, 2007 08:09 PM (kuCYZ)
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This is emphatically not "a very conservative part of the country," or of Ohio. Indian Hill is within a couple of miles of Xavier University, where Jesuit peaceniks decommissioned one of the country's top Olympic rifle teams, and staged a sit-in to keep ROTC students from attending their own military ball. CY's commentary is a modest proposal to give Hackett one dose of what he had up his sleeve for all the rest of us. Won't happen, but it's the thought that counts.
Posted by: comatus at January 15, 2007 10:50 PM (VjNM6)
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come on down to Florida we can shoot your ass for anything !
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Does Tony Snow Read CY?
This snippit of a transcript from Hugh Hewitt (h/t Gerald Hibbs) kind of makes me wonder (my bold):
HH: All right, yesterday, the President also mentioned that there will be lots of carnage on television screens. Is the administration, and especially the Pentagon, prepared to fight the new media war when that starts to happen, Tony Snow?
TS: We'e been fighting it. I mean, it's not that it has started to happen, it's been going on for some time. What is interesting, Hugh, and you know this as well as anybody else, you're also starting to see little glimmers of guys like Michael Yon and others who get over there and they basically embed themselves in Iraq, and Michelle Malkin's over there now.
HH: Bill Roggio, you bet. They go over and do first hand reporting.
TS: And what ends up…I think what’s likely to happen over time is that people there, and you and I have both seen forces come back completely disheartened and disgusted by the kind of reporting that goes on here, I would not be surprised to see some of those people not going out in the field, but maybe back at barracks, turning on the video camera, shooting a picture, and saying you know what? Let me tell you what's really going on here, and why, and how I see it. That sort of stuff gets on a Youtube, or a Livelink, or any of these other things. It'soing to get out. I mean, there are many different ways now for people to get a glimpse of what' actually happening. And the new media war can take many different fronts, and while Al Jazeera or Al Arabia, or even Al Houra, which is financed by the U.S. Government, they all have cable presence there. But you know, in this day and age, it' exploding more rapidly, and more people are just pulling their news and pulling their video off the internet.
HH: As we saw during the summer war between Hezbollah and Israel, Tony Snow, Hezbollah went to such lengths as to stage atrocities, buildings blown up, and victims left in there.
TS: Yeah.
HH: Are you, as the head of the White House communications operation, prepared to immediately get out there and quarrel with that and stop those sorts of stories from metastasizing?
TS: Yeah, I am looking forward to meeting Captain Jumil Hussein, but other than that, yes. You'e seen the latest on that, right?
HH: No, I haven't I haven't read today. Is he back and not existing again?
TS: He’s back to non-existence.
HH: (laughing) But that’s the new media war…
TS: Yeah.
Was Snow's comment, "He's back to non-existence," a reference to posts put up by
Curt and
myself yesterday that "Jamil Hussein" is a apparently a pseudonym used by the Associated Press in what appears to be a direct breach of their own code of ethics?
Interesting...
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And nary a hat tip in sight. Ungrateful. Seriously, Time's Person of the Year has been doing more fighting in the media war than our actual government..
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at January 12, 2007 09:23 AM (oC8nQ)
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I'm beginning to become curious whether any public affairs officers for the MNF or US forces have been keeping track of inconsistencies and malevolent AP reporting prior to this Jamil Hussein debacle.
If the AP really is (as it appears) exaggerating or misreporting incidents, someone there must be noticing?
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Leftists Attack American Interests, Hit Crap
Don.t shoot the messenger, I'm just repeating what Sky News said:
A leftist group has reportedly claimed responsibility for a rocket attack on the US embassy in Athens.
The Greek government said it had received two calls claiming the guerrilla group Revolutionary Struggle was behind the attack.
Public Order minister Vyron Polydoras said it was "very likely" a domestic group was behind the blast.
The rocket slammed into the embassy toilet in the early morning strike, causing slight damage but no injuries.
Reuters more clearly defines the weapon as an RPG-18, a kind of rocket-propelled grenade.
It's too bad for Huff 'n Puffer Mark Seery;
no American soldiers died.
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Revolutionary Struggle may be the movement that begins the domination of the world by Greece! As they say, the greeks shall inherit the earth...
Posted by: Kevin at January 12, 2007 09:05 AM (H826O)
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Are al Queda rightists ? I know that they are quite socially conservtive
Posted by: John Ryan at January 12, 2007 01:47 PM (TcoRJ)
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So was Stalin. You point?
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Hungry, Hungry Hypos
Via SFGate.com:
For the past year, Spocko has been e-mailing advertisers of KSFO-AM with audio clips from its shows and asking sponsors to examine what they're supporting. Some sponsors have pulled their ads, after hearing clips like one of KSFO's Lee Rodgers suggesting that a protester be "stomped to death right there. Just stomp their bleeping guts out."
Now, bloggers and media freedom advocates are concerned about the legal reaction from Disney/ABC-owned KSFO. Shortly before Christmas, an ABC lawyer demanded that Spocko remove audio clips from his blog on the grounds that Spocko's posting of KSFO content was illegal. Digital freedom advocates counter that the clips constitute fair use and worry that critical voices could be silenced by corporations threatening legal action for violation of copyright law.
I agree.
Stop the Censorship!
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AP: Discrediting Jamil's Sources
A wise and well-traveled journalist spoke with me via email yesterday regarding the stupidity of mistakes made by the large and the arrogant Goliaths of our world:
...One thing they ALWAYS do, in my experience, is make MAJOR mistakes in the very beginning. Mistakes that are so major that people say, "Nope, that can't be true. They never would do something that stupid." But they do. And then the big people usually rely on intimidation...and if that doesn't work (and it's not with you on this), those initial huge errors they make become HUGE and inescapable...
And so back to the beginning I went, and indeed, the Associated Press seems to have done an excellent job of discrediting Jamil Huss—excuse me, "
Jamil XX" on their own. How much did they discredit him?
To the point most rational people would question why he was ever allowed to continue as an Associated Press source at all.
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Do you remember this
JunkYardBlog post, where See Dubya marveled at the ability of Captain Jamil XX to be report incidents of violence from literally all over Baghdad?
See Dubya noted:
I think I may have been the first to notice the significance of the wide variety of Baghdad locations from which "Captain Jamil Hussein" had reported incidents of violence to the AP. On November 26th, I said he was
...reporting chaos and mayhem in Sunni and Shiite neighborhoods all over Baghdad--Sadr City, Dora, Mansour, and others.
In other words, it looks less like Capt. Hussein is an eyewitness to this event, and more like he's just an unofficial spokesman. But a spokesman for whom?
(As it turns out, Sadr City is one of the few places in Baghdad he hasn't reported from.) The problem of the geographical plausibility of Captain Hussein's claims has been commented on several times since then, most recently by Lt. Col. Bob Bateman, who noted that the distance between Hurriyah and Yarmouk made him an odd choice to comment authoritatively on the Hurriyah mosque burning:
In other words, in going to their "normal" source for this story, the AP went to the equivalent of a Brooklyn local police precinct for a story that occurred in northern Yonkers! Hello? What would a cop in Brooklyn know about a crime in Yonkers? That's what doesn't make sense to me. (And why didn't the AP reveal, until challenged, that this source was not from the district where the events allegedly occurred, or even from a neighboring district, but is from a moderately distant part of this 7-million-person city?)
Actually, though, it's worse than that. If I can continue Col. Bateman's analogy, since April, the AP has been relying on that same Brooklyn cop for reports on violence in not just Yonkers, but the Bronx, Manhattan, Queens, Staten Island, and Jersey City.
To prove that point, See Dubya and and geoff of
Uncommon Misconceptions created the following map.
As you can see, Jamil provided information on incidents of violence from neighborhoods all over Baghdad, and the
majority of these reports occurred outside of his jurisdiction.
How far outside of his jurisdiction?
I took the map created by See Dubya and geoff, compared it to the detailed
NIMA map, and, as best as I could, filled in the Khadra and Yarmouk districts where the Associated Press claimed Jamil had been stationed, and marked a rough outline of those neighborhoods in red. It is quite logical to expect for police officers to be familiar with, and perhaps on rare occasions even be a witness of, violent crimes in the neighborhoods in which they patrol.
It is also plausible that Jamil might "rub shoulders" with officers in surrounding neighborhoods, and thus have access to stories in the neighborhoods of Ma'mun, Mansur, Qadisyiyah, Ummal, Jahid, Hamra, Firdaws, Hayy at Tayran, al 'Adl, and Andalus. These bordering neighborhoods were noted in orange, as they surrounded the two neighborhoods where the Associated Press says Jamil XX served.
This is the result.
In all of the stories plotted on the map by See Dubya and geoff, six took place in surrounding neighborhoods, only one took place in Yarmouk, and
none took place in Khadra.
Time and again, reporters for the Associated Press used Captain Jamil as their source for reports of violence in Baghdad far outside of his jurisdiction. It seems highly likely that almost
everything Jamil reported to the Associated Press was second-hand information, provided to him by another party or parties. As a legal matter, this kind of evidence would most likely be considered
hearsay, and in most instances, would be inadmissible as evidence.
Obviously, the Associated Press has much lower standards of proof than the legal system would require (presumably even in
Durham), but just how low are their standards? Are those standards below what we should expect from a professional news organization
that claims:
...we insist on the highest standards of integrity and ethical behavior when we gather and deliver the news.
That means we abhor inaccuracies, carelessness, bias or distortions. It means we will not knowingly introduce false information into material intended for publication or broadcast; nor will we alter photo or image content. Quotations must be accurate, and precise.
It means we always strive to identify all the sources of our information, shielding them with anonymity only when they insist upon it and when they provide vital information – not opinion or speculation; when there is no other way to obtain that information; and when we know the source is knowledgeable and reliable.
As the maps above strongly suggest, Jamil XX was relying upon accounts from people other than himself, and was relaying those accounts to the Associated Press, who
consistently cited Jamil Hussein as the source. If Jamil is not the actual source, but is merely relaying these accounts from around Baghdad, can the Associated Press claim that they are acting ethically by citing him as their source?
Shouldn’t they have suspected months ago that he was only serving to forward information from others that the Associated Press should have known were apparently in direct contradiction to it’s own policies of identifying all sources?
The questions that arise are thus:
- Who was providing Jamil XX with these stories of violence from outside of not only Yarmouk and Khadrah, but even outside nearby neighborhoods?
- Did the Associated Press ever question him as to why or how he was able to provide reports from all over Baghdad?
- How could the Associated Press ethically cite Jamil Hussein as source if he was only serving to relay stories from all over Baghdad? Wouldn't that be highly deceptive, and against their own stated ethical guidelines?
As Jamil could not reasonably be expected to provide these dozens of accounts from all over Baghdad through first-hand knowledge, where did he get his information? Did he get it from other police officers around Baghdad?
If so, those are the same police officers and other MOI employees that Associated Press Editor Kathleen Carroll
continuously attacked for being suspect and I would posit, unreliable sources:
They felt understandably nervous about bringing their accusations up in an area patrolled by a Shiite-led police force that they suspect is allied with the very militia accused in these killings.
Is Executive Editor Carroll implying that the Baghdad police are untrustworthy killers? It sure seems that way. Just paragraphs later, Carroll states even more damningly:
As careful followers of the Iraq story know well, various militias have been accused of operating within the Interior Ministry, which controls the police and has long worked to suppress news of death-squad activity in its ranks. (This is the same ministry that questioned Capt. Hussein’s existence and last week announced plans to take legal action against journalists who report news that creates the impression that security in Iraq is bad, “when the facts are totally different.”)
It seems highly likely that if Jamil XX did get his accounts through official channels, then he got them through the same police officers and MOI employees that Kathleen Carroll excoriated as belonging to death squads and murderous militias.
In her own words, AP's own executive editor discredits the only possible credible and quasi-official providers of Jamil's information.
Of course, their is a "third way."
Would Carroll prefer to discuss which militias or insurgent factions that would be the next most likely unofficial providers of Jamil XX's information? I didn't think so.
To say so much to discredit the Interior Ministry police, and then argue that Jamil Hussein is a credible source, would seem to stretch the credibility of the Associated Press to (or past) the breaking point.
Kathleen Carroll cannot credibly both attack the Iraqi Interior Ministry, and then defend the accounts of
Jamil XX that necessarily rely upon the Interior Ministry to provide the information he used in Associated Press accounts.
But oh, will she try...
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Excellent post. Obsess away. I just did an "update and bump" on Part 36 of my Jamilgate series when I added an excerpt and link.
Posted by: Bill Faith at January 11, 2007 10:28 PM (n7SaI)
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Well...I would posit that even a Captain in Queens might not know all the things happening is his own area of operations. Heck - I live in a smaller town and our Chief of Police has admitted that he does not know the details of all his small force (20+ officers is all) is working on. So it isn't very likely that Cpt. Jamil knows everything going on in his own station, let alone all over the city and beyond.
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J-DAMN
And so a major Associated Press claim in "Jamilgate" takes an apparently fatal hit.
According to Bill Costlow of CPATT (Civilian Police Assistance Training Team) in Baghdad, and as forwarded by Lt. Michael Dean of Multinational Corps-Iraq/Joint Operations Command Public Affairs, our now infamous police captain in Iraq appears to be definitively
not Jamil Hussein.
Nor is his name Jamil Gholaiem Hussein
as stated repeatedly by the Associated Press Executive Editor Kathleen Carroll and other Associated Press employees.
Nor is his name Jamil Ghdaab Gulaim, as he has been called previously in other accounts. According to his personnel records at MOI, confirmed with BG Abdul-Kareem and then reportedly verified by BG Abdul-Karim Khalaf with AP's Baghdad sources, his name is actually Jamil Gulaim "XX".
The "XX" protects his second middle name and real last names, of which "Hussein" is not a part.
To sum up the current situation as things now appear to stand:
- There is no Baghdad police officer at the Khadra police station named Captain Jamil Hussein, and never has been. Jamil Hussein, and Jamil Gholaiem Hussein are pseudonyms for Jamil Gulaim "XX".
- The Associated Press published a pseudonym without acknowledging that fact, apparently knowing, if BG Abdul-Kareem is correct, that they were publishing a false identity. Is that a big deal? HUGE. This is a major breach of journalistic ethics.
- The Associated Press has heavily modified the "facts" of their claims since these two stories here and here on November 24 and November 25. Those claims are:
- That 24 people were burned to death; Six were pulled from the Ahbab al-Mustafa as it was attacked, the were doused and set on fire, according to AP source Captain Jamil Hussein, and that AP also printed a claim by the Association of Muslim Scholars (a group suspected of strong ties to al Qaeda, a detail the AP left out of their reporting) that 18 more people, including women in children, were burned to death in an "inferno" resulting from a Shiite militia attack at the al-Muhaimin mosque. Current AP accounts have dropped the claims of the 18 killed at al-Muhaimin completely, without a retraction or a correction.
- The Associated Press originally claimed four mosques (Ahbab al-Mustafa, Nidaa Allah, al-Muhaimin and al-Qaqaqa) were attacked in Hurriyah according to Police Captain Jamil Hussein, along with several houses. AP has since revised its claim down to one mosque instead of four (presumably the Ahbab al-Mustafa where it says the six men were claimed immolated) and they have curiously dropped the mosque's name from their reporting. They have issued neither a retraction nor a correction for the three mosques they have written out of successive narratives
- The Associated Press initially claimed that Associated Press Television had video showing damage to the Ahbab al-Mustafa mosque where they claim these six men were immolated. After November 30, they have made no further mention of this video that would seem to buttress their claims, nor have I been able to find anyone who has seen it. They have not issued a retraction, nor a correction for this claim. Do they still claim to support it?
- AP's Executive Editor and Senior vice President Kathleen Carroll, and AP's International Editor John Daniszewski have both insisted that Jamil Gholaiem Hussein is real. To make this claim, they presumably knew they were pushing a pseudonym to the public, presumably violating their own stated values and principles.
- The Associated Press has claimed that BG Abdul-Karim Khalaf verified the existence of Jamil Hussein. According to Bill Costlow of CPATT, he did no such thing.
- As this new revelation apparently shows, AP knew they were foisting a pseudonym upon the public, and even when questioned, continued to persist in denying what appears to be the truth.
Further, the Iraqi Ministry of the Interior claims that their is
still no evidence that the six murders by immolation in Hurriyah on November 24 ever occurred.
I await Kathleen Carroll's response.
Update: Broken link fixed.
Update: I just got a response from Linda M. Wagner, Director of Media Relations and Public Affairs for the Associated Press, which read in part:
Steve Hurst passed your e-mail inquiry along to me. AP stands by the story below, which provides the full name of the source whose existence was acknowledged to AP by Iraq's Interior Ministry spokesman Brig. Abdul-Karim Khalaf in an interview on Thursday, January 4.
I have bolded the relevant passages for ease of finding them in the text.
A fascinating response, for a couple of reasons.
First, the Associated Press
insists Jamil Gholaiem Hussein is a Iraqi police Captain at the Kharda police station in Iraq, circa the
Jan 4 story they still stand behind (and Wagner referenced). I have a January 11 release saying something quite different, attributed to the same general.
While I have absolutely no power, influence, etc., I did suggest to LT Dean at MNC-I PAO that it might help if Brig. Abdul-Karim Khalaf spoke at a press conference and squared away these two contradicting stories that are both officially sourced to him. Obviously, they cannot both be correct.
The second reason I found this fascinating, which you may have caught if you were reading Wagner's comment closely, is that she was responding to something I sent to Steven R Hurst. Hurst wrote the January 4 story, and so I'd contacted him, saying that:
Mr. Hurst,
I refuse to publish his second middle or last name, but I hear that Jamil Hussein is actually Jamil Gulaim [names redacted], and that AP has been using Jamil Hussein as a pseudonym to protect him. Is that correct?
Hurst, instead of ignoring my comment or deleting it, forwarded it upward to Wagner, and I had an official response from AP brass within 1.5 hours.
Now, it very well could be Associated Press policy to forward any and all email inquiries to AP reporters to the Director of Media Relations and Public Affairs, and that those inquiries are quickly and courteously answered within an hour and a half by such senior AP officers, but somehow, I doubt it.
While it is blind speculation, I somehow doubt that a senior staff member would be the one issuing a denial unless there was some substantial reasons to involve a senior staff member. I'd further opine that known the exact real name of their source might just rise to that level of importance.
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Great stuff.
Fix the last link in the post, though... :-)
Posted by: Good Lt at January 11, 2007 12:04 PM (D0TMh)
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*chirp*
*chirp* *chirp*
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 11, 2007 12:08 PM (clafO)
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Someone call an ambulance, Bob's turning blue. I told him not to hold his breath.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at January 11, 2007 12:26 PM (oC8nQ)
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Why am I not surprised? I excerpted and linked in Part 36 of my Jamilgate series.
Posted by: Bill Faith at January 11, 2007 12:39 PM (n7SaI)
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CY, stellar job.
It seems that there are now LAYERS of issues, and I think it's important to put the AP's feet to the fire on all of them, but to keep them separate as well.
I. SEMINAL ISSUE
a)What happened on the ground? Were four mosques attacked? Were they shelled with rocket propelled grenades and machine gun fire and then burned? What is the visual, physical evidence at Al Qaqaqa, ...if there is NO damage, where is the retraction and correction? Same with Al Muhaimin, Al Mustafa and Nidaa Allah.
b). Were there private homes burned in Hurriya on that date, where is the evidence? What support do they have for that story? If not, where is the retraction?
c)Were women and children murdered in a killing spree on that date? Where is the evidence? If not, where is the retraction?
d)Were six men dragged into the streets from Al Mustafa, doused in kerosene, watched by coalition forces as they writhed on the ground and then summarily executed by a bullet to the head...or did this never occur? If not, where is the retraction?
II. COVERUP
a)When did you come to learn the true identity of JGIX? When you visited him several times in his office, was his name prominently displayed on any badge, memo, placard, nameplate or other physical evidence of his true and actual AUTHENTIC identity.
b)How did you first come to know that JGIX was willing to go on the record, did he approach you or did you approach him?
c)Who initiated the use of the name Hussein for him...did he do it, or did it occur in some other way?
d)You have been using him as a source for years, has he always been a captain? Are you aware of his background, did you do a check on him before using him? With the name Hussein, which is common in Baathist and especially Tikriti enclaves, did you research his connections, if any to the prior regime? What did you do to verify that this was a reliable source before using him?
e)How did you come by the knowledge that one of his middle names was Gholaiem...yet did not come across the IX portions of his name?
f)When you were asked for a retraction on the stories, why did you stand by and insist that Jamil Hussein was an AUTHENTIC first and last name...do you still stand by that position?
III.
ATTRIBUTIONS OF ADMISSIONS
a)After the search for Jamil Hussein, which was prompted by your insistence that Jamil Gholaiem Hussein WAS INDEED his AUTHENTIC name...you then wrote a report that suggested that you were vindicated. Is Jamil Hussein his AUTHENTIC name, or is it not? If not, why did Steven Hurst write that as if it had been admitted?
b)If JGIX is his real name, why did Steven Hurst not detail that in his article about the AP's vindication?
c)Did the MOI or CENTCOM at ANY TIME, come forward with an ADMISSION that "Jamil Hussein" was a police officer at al Khadra? If not, why did Steven Hurst report that as if it had happened?
d)You were aware that some police officers used fake names to protect their identities, yet your reports DETAILED the fact that Jamil Hussein used his AUTHENTIC name, and did not hide his identity. Do you still stand by that report?
If not, why did you report this falsehood?
e)Several people suggested that Jamil Hussein was now in danger, because bloggers had exposed his identity...but if his name is JGIX, you knew this to be false, and you fueled this erroneous accusation by acts of omission and comission. Why? And why did you not retract and correct the record, if this is the case?
f)Your own standards and policies suggest that you do not use composite or false identity sources, did you violate those standards and policies here for more than two years? Did you then coverup this fact, when caught? Did you then intentionally mislead the billions of people who obtain your news accounts, by suggesting that Jamil Hussein was in fact, an AUTHENTIC name of your source?
Was he a properly researched person BEFORE you used him as a source?
Was he given a phony name, so that he couldn't be found by others?
Was he reliable and accurate in his information on issues outside his district?
Did he ever give reliable and accurate information about Sunni misdeeds or crimes?
When did you know what his full, accurate and complete name was?
Did you intentionally mislead your readers about ADMISSIONS by MOI or CENTCOM?
4)
Posted by: cfbleachers at January 11, 2007 01:07 PM (V56h2)
Posted by: Defense Guy at January 11, 2007 01:24 PM (jPCiN)
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Sadly, your great work will go nowhere. The matter has been "settled" as far as the AP is concerned.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at January 11, 2007 01:49 PM (n5eDP)
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If an Iraqi legally changes his name to Jamil Hussein and agrees to, retroactively, assume all of the claims attributed to Hussein, will it count?
Posted by: Cover Me, Porkins at January 11, 2007 01:54 PM (0pS3m)
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Here's another possibility: Maybe AP is using his real name, but he's using an alias--Jamil Gulaim "XX"--with the Iraqi police. If true, I don't think that quite gets AP off the hook--what are they doing using as a source a guy who gave a phony name to the Police--but it does raise another question to ask. Which name is his real name?
Posted by: Bill Allison at January 11, 2007 02:22 PM (vv93N)
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The issue may be settled as far as the AP is comcerned.
Of course an additional question might be "If the AP is not following its own journalistic standards, it is a news organization or a non-profit political organization?" and therefore be subject to McCain-Feingold regulations?
Posted by: Tim at January 11, 2007 02:36 PM (3DcUt)
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Liberals print a pack of lies and are then caught by conservatives. The conclusion that liberals like Glenn Greenwald draw from this? Why, that conservatives are rotten to the core, of course. It only makes sense to them. he-he
Posted by: yo at January 11, 2007 02:38 PM (k86LZ)
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The blogosphere is beginning to react, but some of that reaction is a bit surprising. People are now confused, as I was afraid might occur, because they are viewing this as a melange of misdeeds, instead of three distinct but vitally different deeds.
Normally clear thinking bloggers have been rendered somnambulant and it somewhat surprisingly produces a stifled yawn as they sleepwalk through the unraveling of a story that should be jolting them. Apparently, the AP's mixture of guilt-tripping, puree'ing of the three distinct issues and stonewalling has a hypnotic effect.
It would be fascinating to watch, if it wasn't so heart wrenching. They claim that "being Jamil" is good enough, YOU are guilty of putting him in danger if you don't accept that, and THAT is the only issue...no other issues exist, you are getting very, very sleepy. Osterize the issues, ostracize the critics. Stonewall. Put them to sleep. Then, plant suggestions in their minds.
"Iraq is a dangerous place." "Of course, we hid his identity" "No, we didn't" "He exists, that's all that matters". "His name is AUTHENTIC" "It's not important if it's authentic"
We need to SEPARATE the issues and deal with them SEPARATELY.
Don't let them second guess you into becoming halting and overhesitant, Bob. Don't feel the pressure of the osterizer. The last thing we need is blogs in a blender.
Posted by: cfbleachers at January 11, 2007 02:41 PM (V56h2)
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Good God, Man! You've got them on the run, now! Don't let up!
Posted by: david at January 11, 2007 02:51 PM (enxra)
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In other news, the AP has announced that North Carolina prosecutor Michael Nifong has been appointed to investigate the conflicting stories.
Posted by: Orhwe at January 11, 2007 02:53 PM (CHqOD)
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No jake, this war was won when Iraq elected the government that stands today. Sectarian violence is not the war we're a party to, though it does have a few tentacles in the WOT.
Posted by: Pablo at January 11, 2007 03:09 PM (KX0k4)
Posted by: TomW at January 11, 2007 03:10 PM (5kFGJ)
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So far, you all have missed one very important question for the AP. Is the level of checking for factual accuracy and compliance with publicly held AP standards the same in Iraq as elsewhere? Should we have the same level of trust regarding AP stories coming out of Iraq as AP stories coming out of Iran, France, or Boise? They cannot say that they are less reliable in Iraq because that invites us to probe as to where else they are using less than their normal levels of diligence yet if they say they are as reliable there as anywhere else, they've gone all in and bet the reputation of their entire product on the small subset that comes out of Iraq.
One other thing to note. You bring down this one and it's like the dog that finally catches up to the car. You bring the AP down, what are you going to do then?
Posted by: TM Lutas at January 11, 2007 03:20 PM (8jMzX)
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All we need is a pendulating pocket watch...
"which means absolutely nothing..."
Don't look here, don't look here, don't look here.
"we are NOT winning in Iraq."
Where...in ALL of the blogged words and posts on the subject...was this EVER raised by ANYONE...who says that staged news, false sources, phony photographs is unacceptable? Reframe the issues elsewhere. Take a stroll, troll. We ain't buying here.
"The "New Way Forward" is DOA."
We know what you root for...and whose side your on. Yawn. Playbook, page 14...heard it, seen it, threw away the movie ticket.
"Whether or not you ferret out poor or misleading reporting, you are divorced from the reality"
No, ...now read very slowly and you CAN move your lips because you need to...INTENTIONALLY FALSE reporting, lies, coverups, staged events, Green Helmet guy, photoshopped photos...in order to advance a particular point of view....is prima facie evidence of journalistic malpractice. THAT...is reality.
Not sure that leftists are divorced from it...because I don't think that their marriage to truth and integrity was one that was ever consummated.
" - this war was lost when Shinseki's request for 300,000 troops was ignored."
To leftists, this is a moving target. They were for the surge, against the surge. The only thing one can be sure of, if Bush is for it, they are going to say it won't work. They will count the American casualties and ignore the progress. Therefore, their credibility is nil.
"You can parse news stories all ya want, but this war, based on lies"
Clinton, Albright, Berger and Cohen?
"and executed with stunning incompetence is a disaster."
By whose standards. Three weeks to topple Hussein, a democracy in its infancy fighting imported chaos from Iran and Syria...and last I looked, it was still standing. Let's wait past the third inning before the say the game is over, shall we?
"The best military force in the world has been misused in a criminal fashion."
Criminal fashion? Leftists love to call our military criminals, don't they? The only thing we've done is hold back, trying not to inflict excess damage. Are leftists now suggesting a grip it and rip it mentality? LOL. Their tender constituency tends to go soft at the very moment of truth...so, I tend to doubt it.
"so yeah, great work on an issue only you seem to care about. which doesn't change anything."
We care about a lot of issues. This is the source of cognitive dissonance for leftists, who can't imagine actually being able to care about more than their one note song. "Bush bad, media good. Ugh".
Some of us who aren't leftists can actually separate out issues and decide them individually without lemming attachment to leftist dogma.
Here's a soundbite for you. THE TRUTH MATTERS.
You might try it sometime.
Posted by: cfbleachers at January 11, 2007 03:33 PM (V56h2)
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Well, as I have been going on about, it is not Jamil Hussein and has not been since the very first AP attempt to not answer questions and not hold themselves accountable.
From the Association of Newspaper Editors: Ethics code: Associated Press Managing Editors
By attacking a member of the public who has put into question AP's reporting and attacking same and asking if the individual was questioning AP's honesty they have turned this into a question of if AP has *any* ethics at all and are dishonest about their reporting.
But that is just my take.
Posted by: ajacksonian at January 11, 2007 03:52 PM (oy1lQ)
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The AP lied, America voted....now comes buyer's remorse.
The AP, like the NY Times et al, are antiAmerican propagandists in the process of spreading lies and fomenting dissent. They maintain a symbiotic relationship with the Democrats.....truth is never part of their agenda.
Posted by: George Dixon at January 11, 2007 03:52 PM (COB3g)
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I for one feel way better knowing that this petty argument between petty people has almost been resolved by the only guy in the world who knows the actual truth: the guy who runs this incredibly slanted blog. Way more trustworthy than the AP.
Keep up the great work. Without you, we might never get to the bottom of things that were almost important 2 months ago.
Posted by: DONG at January 11, 2007 03:56 PM (7jsBI)
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So, your "definitive" evidence, which you don't link to a sample of, is Mr. Costlow and Lt. Dean. Unattributed assertion is the crux of your argument? Wow.
It's all good, though, because I'm a citizen journalist, too. Yep. I have access to Google and everything. You want to see what I found? Of course you do.
The most recent correspondence I could find is this, taken from http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/search/label/Associated%20Press
From: MNC-I PAO Victory Main JOC
[mailto:MNF-IPAOVictoryMainJOC@iraq.centcom.mil]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:14 AM
To: [deleted]
Cc: MNC-I PAO Victory Main JOC
Subject: RE:
RE: Could you confirm that the letter below was sent
by CENTCOM
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Sir:
I have just learned from Mr. Costlow, mentioned below, that Brig. Gen. Abdul-Karim Khalaf, the official Ministry of Interior spokesmen, will begin his regularly scheduled press conference at noon tomorrow with a statement that Capt. Jamil Hussein, is not a Baghdad police officer or an MOI employee.
Yesterday, coincidently, the Iraqi Ministry of Interior issued a press release warning of spreading propaganda aimed at broadcasters. The text of this statement follows:
A Statement from the Ministry of Interior
After media became free in Iraq and expressed the will of all without the government interfering, unfortunately, some satellite TV channels began misleading public opinion and disclosing chaos for a particular political agenda, by broadcasting propaganda that harms people and tries to shake the trust in security forces.
Such satellite channels are trying to affect Iraqi unity and claim that information was stated by a security source without mentioning the source. Information sources should be well-known and reliable, and to avoid repeating such unfair actions, MOI warns the media and insists on defending the people’s security and safety. MOI will take all immediate preventive procedures against media that broadcast propaganda, because such media intend to repress the will of Iraqis in fighting terror and crime.
We would like to mention that such procedures we do not consider as chaining true free media, but it is a legal defense for Iraqi security and the safety of our people.
If you have any additional questions, please let us know.
Vr,
LT Dean
Michael B. Dean
Lieutenant, U.S. Navy
MNC-I Joint Operations Center
Public Affairs Officer
michael.dean@iraq.centcom.mil
MNCI-PAO-VictoryMainJOC@iraq.centcom.mil
Multinational Corps - Iraq
Public Affairs Office
Hey! Didn't the MOI come out just a few days ago with a Mea Culpa? I know, why don't you post the definitive proof from Mr Costlow and Lt. Dean, preferrably with a date that FOLLOWS that of the MOI admitting to the existence of Mr. Hussein, and that'll clear everything up. You can do that, right? Or are you more interested in trying to minimize the depths of your foolishness with a little obfuscation over the use of an alleged pseudonym?
Posted by: Officious Pedant at January 11, 2007 04:06 PM (688sS)
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And the score is:
AP - One:
Republican knob-polishing propaganda machine: Zero
Sorry, Bubbleheads, it's all over. You can keep humping this story till the cows come home, but nothing will change the (utterly accurate) perception among the literate public -- which, of course, necessarily excludes the grunting followers of Rush, Ann, Michelle, et al. -- that rightwing blogs are a rancid sewer of Swift Boat-style Republican propaganda. The beautiful part is that there will never be another reactionary hatchet job on the free press that won't be very simply addressed by two words: Jamil Hussein.
Posted by: legaleagle at January 11, 2007 04:39 PM (fMQ6j)
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"The beautiful part is that there will never be another reactionary hatchet job on the free press that won't be very simply addressed by two words: Jamil Hussein."
How true, but LB let them have fun their prez did a belly flop last night and the ripples have shown any sign of let up not to mention Condi getting handed her well you know the senate this morning.
As for Jamil even if they are right no one cares, they have spun and confabulated so much that no one believes them any more.
Posted by: moonkat at January 11, 2007 04:59 PM (6yFiL)
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Who cares? Iraq is locked in a bloody civil war, American soldiers are dying, the president doesn't have a clue about what to do, and you keep foghorning about whether Jamil Hussein does or does not exist. This is ridiculous.
Posted by: Arthur Arkwright at January 11, 2007 04:59 PM (q8CRj)
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So, was any of the actual story ever verified? Did photos of these burned mosques ever go out on the wires? Where were the bodies taken? Usually the press would be wallowing in these details. No details? Sounds like no story. Only the coverup remains. It would be nice if AP could actually come up with somebody, no matter what his name is, who could be interviewed by someone other than an AP flack about those other 20-odd stories AP has flogged in the past with him as the major witness. Even criminals are given the chance to cross-examine witnesses; why shouldn't anyone accused of malfeasance or incompetence be able to do the same?
It still looks like the guy never existed and AP made the whole stinking pile up. They've consistently missed any chances to either put up or shut up. It's the Dan Rather effect all over again.
Posted by: tom swift at January 11, 2007 05:32 PM (nlSLe)
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"I await Kathleen Carroll's response."
LOL. Ya, I'm sure she's gonna get right on that there ConYank.
Posted by: THeDRiFTeR at January 11, 2007 06:54 PM (Ozz4x)
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I for one feel way better knowing that this petty argument between petty people
You miss the point entirely.
If AP's actions give you a "warm fuzzy" and you feel that their credibility is intact, then just go on your way and forget about any of this and keep your blinders on.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 11, 2007 06:58 PM (clafO)
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I'm impressed by how lucidly you've traced the history of this media mess. I wonder when the AP will figure out that, if you're in a hole, you should stop digging, and that when you've made a gross ethical error, you should, maybe, just maybe, engage in some self-examination, apologize, and change your behavior.
Posted by: Bookworm at January 11, 2007 07:37 PM (+jmyR)
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legaleagle;
Two Words: Pham Xuan
RichatUF
Posted by: RichatUF at January 11, 2007 10:35 PM (SgEzK)
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I suppose literacy isn’t required to graduate law school. The AP claimed their source is “Jamil Hussein” a captain in the Iraqi Police. The “source” discovered at the Kharda station is “Jamil Gulaim …” however this individual denies he is an AP source. AP is dissembling, BG Khalaf is dissembling, and in the end the front page “Burning Six” story remains unresolved. Interesting you would score this as a victory for the AP; it looks to me like a great deal of spinning by the AP.
Yes-the “Swift Boat” slur…when was the greatest hero of the Vietnam War, Sen. John Kerry, supposed to sign his SF-180 and release his military records? His Silver Star with V Device-I’d like to see those orders.
Its interesting that you call it a “free press” when it has been shown over and over again Western media is overwhelmingly compelled by politics, relationships, money, access-ah, but, yes, you reject statements from illiterates. How could someone like me (who has not been to law school and thinks the Jamil Hussein story is important) even tie my shoes? Maybe we could send “Jamil Hussein” to go find the good senator’s military jacket-there are a few mosques in St. Lewis, it would be almost like paradise.
RichatUF
Posted by: RichatUF at January 11, 2007 11:07 PM (SgEzK)
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It is, after all, just a pseudonym and not a REAL name! You're outraged, right?
She exists. I've seen the video.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 12, 2007 02:37 AM (clafO)
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OT: Tic...Toc....Tic....Toc....almost 32 hours of the first 100 gone and still no plan for Iraq from the Dems. Never had one, although that was the platform they ran on to get elected. Never will have one...because defeat means defeat in the next election. How sad that such back-seat pontificators like Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, Kennedy, Dean, etc., can't find a solution. Tic....toc....tic....toc.
Posted by: Specter at January 12, 2007 07:38 AM (ybfXM)
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Re legal'B'eagle...
I have yet to meet a lawyer who would not posture pro or con depending on which had the deepest pocket. They are all more or less Nifongs.....
Posted by: George Dixon at January 12, 2007 09:46 AM (COB3g)
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Confederate Yankee, why are you deleting my comment?
Anyways, since you are, I respond to this post on my blog here:
http://murderinging.wordpress.com/2007/01/12/confederate-yankee-still-desperately-holding-onto-jamil-hussein-conspiracy/
Posted by: db at January 12, 2007 10:48 AM (sWGYX)
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"So, was any of the actual story ever verified?"
A unit of the Iraqi 6th Army responded to a report of an ongoing attack in the area claimed at the time claimed. They captured no one, saw no burning homes, no Burning Sunnis, no slaughter in the mosques and streets. They found one mosque that had been hit with a Molotov at the entrance, causing slight damage. They summoned a fire brigade, which put out the remnants of the Molotov fire. Lapsed time from initial report to fire-out, about ten minutes.
After the story appeared on the AP wire, additional patrols were sent to the area to search out the extent of the damage and ascertain what happened and who did it. They found one slightly burned mosque entrance, no burned homes, no Burned Sunni marks on the streets, no bodies, no associated funerals, and no witnesses supporting the claims, etc.
That's it. The current sum total extent of all independent and verifiable substantiation of the purported incident.
Posted by: Tully at January 12, 2007 11:27 AM (kEQ90)
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Comment? It looks like a link to your blog.
Newsflash - nobody cares what you think.
Posted by: Good Lt at January 12, 2007 11:29 AM (D0TMh)
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My first one didn't even link to my blog. It was just a comment. But he deleted it, so I figured I'd just add a quick link to my blog where I respond to this ridiculous post instead of bothering to type something he'll delete again as soon as he notices.
Posted by: db at January 12, 2007 12:22 PM (sWGYX)
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Actually, db, if you were brave enough to leave a valid email address (chickenposter) and had bother to read my comment policy, you'd see I don't allow profanity, which was the reason your post was deleted.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 12, 2007 12:36 PM (g5Nba)
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My non-profane to db on his blog:
So your brilliant criticism is hinged upon the fact Michelle Malkin didn't get her name changed upon getting married?
It is against AP's own code of ethics to use a pseudonym in the manner they did, and other profesional journalists–Jon Ham of the John Locke Foundation and a former managing editor of the Durham Herald-Sun, Larisa Alexandrovna of the liberal-leaning Raw Story, Jay Rosen of New York University’s PressThink, and Committee of Concerned Journalists Founding Chairman, Bill Kovach, and Peter Y. Sussman who is on the Ethics Committee of the Society of Professional Journalists–all agree.
But that's okay… you still have your "truthiness."
It's better than truth, or ethics.
Right?
I now return this comment thread to those for which it was intended...
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 12, 2007 12:47 PM (g5Nba)
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Did I use profanity? I don't recall. If I did, my apologies. So my response (also posted on my blog):
Ethics aren’t rock solid rules. Even if the AP does state as a solid rule not to use a pseudonym without recognizing it, ethical codes adapt to the situation. You don’t know why Jamil Hussein’s full name wasn’t used — you’re blindly grasping for anything to hold onto as a basis for attacking journalistic integrity. A pesudonym for Jamil Hussein isn’t necessarily “truthiness.” The attack is silly.
You are also omitting a key part of what all those experts say that you cite. To quote Sussman: “Barring some overwhelmingly important mitigating factor…”
My point is, you have no absolutely no idea what the particular circumstances are. You have no clue whatsoever as to any mitigating factors. No idea. Your ideological biases are blinding you and causing you to jump to conclusions. It’s the same biases that lead to so many of your ideological peers to claim that Jamil Hussein inarguably does not exist. You’re making the same mistake in your eagerness to play “gotcha.” Further, you’re playing “gotcha” over something so banal, your attack is laughable.
Posted by: db at January 12, 2007 01:13 PM (sWGYX)
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Yep, you got me.
My "mistake" is banal, so laughable, that the Director of Media Relations and Public Affairs for AP contacted me, a mere blogger, personally just as soon as she could to issue a "we stand by our story" denial.
Keep whistling, junior.
You'll get by that graveyard eventually...
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 12, 2007 01:38 PM (g5Nba)
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Should we expect ANY news service attempting to report from Iraq to be more accurate than say the Weather Service ?
The American People no longer believe in this Iraq endeavor.
Polls show a pretty consistent 70% against sending any more troops. As for the 30%, well that should represent 100 million but I think that number is soft. If 100 million Americans REALLY believed in the WOT or the war in Iraq the recruiting officers would have lines out the door trying to sign up.
Posted by: John Ryan at January 12, 2007 01:44 PM (TcoRJ)
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OT slightly: Tic...Toc...Tic...Toc...46 Hours gone, Republicans steal the earmark show in the Senate, Nancy fails to rein in corruption under her reign, Silvestre still doesn't know what a Sunni is, and still NO PLAN FOR IRAQ. That 100 hours is going by pretty quickly. Great Leaders they are. In the words of the DNC Chairman: AIIIIIIIYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEE
Posted by: Specter at January 12, 2007 02:09 PM (ybfXM)
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One simple question that only requires the simplest of proofs. If Jamil Hussein is real, produce him.
Can't do it, can you?
Posted by: surferdoc at January 12, 2007 11:27 PM (V77Bt)
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January 10, 2007
Tuesday, With Morays
With any luck, John Seery, a Pomona College professor and Huffington Post contributor, will die a horrible, painful death-by-eel-bite in the next year... preferably on Tuesday, March 13.
Why?
Irony.
HuffPuffer Seery seems absolutely
giddy at the prospect of
calculating the deaths of American soldiers over the next year, which--let's face it--is a game his base doesn't mind playing...
Greg Gutfeld is, well,
less than amused with Seery's sick game:
The more that die, he understands, the smarter he looks. As a college professor, he's hoping for an invite to a cocktail party where he doesn't have to serve the drinks.
It only leads me to ask: When, and how, will John Seery be killed?
I'm just curious, of course, in the same manner Mr. Seery is. He's asking you to submit a number - the larger the better - which is perfectly appropriate for the Huffington Post - where hoping for the worst is the only hope allowed.
So certainly, me asking the same question about John should be treated with the same respect - don't you think? I mean, of course - the Huffpo won't dare remove me, or hide my post, when I ask for such a somber prediction. After all, Seery is practically lubricating over expected casualties - his summer will be awash in misery if American blood doesn't flow. What if I feel the same way, about him?
While I might not "lubricate" over Seery's impending death this year, I do have to ask:
What dates and methods are you guys picking?
As Seery himself
says:
I'm not sure, however, what you'll win, or even if you could call it a victory. But Americans like to play to win, we've been told.
And though we do love to play, and get things when we win, I'd suggest against a pool... once it gets to a certain point, it could become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
After contributing to Jamil Hussein's imminent date with a drill, I don't know if I can have that on my conscious as well.
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What a dirtbag.
If you're squeamish, or if it seems too macabre or snide, then maybe you can somehow claim exemption from your duties and responsibilities as a vigilant citizen of this country.
My response:
Speak for yourself, and don't preach about "duties as a citizen". Your post is macabre and snide because you've never had the responsibility of another person's (or people's) safety or life in your hands, and never had to make a decision that could potentially put people at risk of death or serious bodily harm. Do us a favor -- If you're going to dehumanize the troops into numbers and statistics at the beginning of your post, don't refer to them them "our kids" at the end.
Posted by: paully at January 11, 2007 02:02 AM (yJuX3)
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Professor Sneery is one of those rare "gifts" that occasionally waft up from the peculiar aroma of the fever swamp...and actually allow the crude veneer of Timeshare Americans to peel away, giving us an even clearer look at what really lies beneath.
Just when you think they can't sink any lower, one of the far left vermin, pops his head up out of the muck and says or does something that paints a thousand word picture Dante's eighth ring...inside the mind of a slitheral.
A slitheral ghoulishly counts the deaths of American men and women who are doing the rough and courageous work of providing a wall of safety for those who appreciate freedom from tyranny and oppression. And smirks behind the veneer of faux empathy for the fulfillment of their bravery, each time one falls.
A slitheral won't count the numbers of children whose fathers won't be gassed this coming year, just because they are Kurds.
A slitheral won't count the number of wives who won't be widowed and told the gruesome tale of their late husbands being placed in woodchippers.
A slitheral won't count the number of children who will cease to be taught that Jewish people have horns and drink their blood...and will have hope for a future that allows the girls to utilize their skills, intelligence and talents for something other than the sadistic sexual torture rooms of a tyrant's sons.
A slitheral will instead notch his murky and macabre bedpost each time a brave soldier dies, because his whole pathetic existence is so wrapped up in debasing his country, that any loss of life suffered on our side is celebrated as a silent and Sneery victory for the cesspool in which he resides.
Here's to hoping that when the Iraqi people emerge from this, their halting and rugged infancy of freedom, that they don't one day evolve a species inside their homeland, that takes glee in the sacrifices of those who died providing and maintaining it. Here's to hoping that their newborn freedom doesn't one day spawn more slitherals.
And here's to every courageous man and woman who fulfills their duty, knowing full well that some have fallen yesterday, and that they may fall today or tomorrow, but they bravely press on. May G=d keep you safe and warm in His embrace, and any day he doesn't...I will. I love you all. Thank you.
Posted by: cfbleachers at January 11, 2007 07:42 AM (5RM9g)
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Memorial Day weekend.
Boating accident after too many wine coolers.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at January 11, 2007 08:01 AM (O9Cc8)
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Run over by and SUV while protesting Global Warming sometime in May.
Posted by: olddawg at January 11, 2007 10:41 AM (BvIuO)
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true justice would be for him to wither and die in obscurity, because he obviously is begging for attention, like so many other of these fools.
Posted by: negentropy at January 11, 2007 11:56 AM (27KAF)
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I say he will die as a direct result of "boredom" because of listening to himself and the other professors but mostly from listening to Huffington. The death of course will be extremely painful and long however it will happen and Saddam awaits his arrival, he he.
Posted by: Rightmom at January 11, 2007 12:46 PM (0lpqx)
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Within 6-weeks he will suffer a few scratches from perhaps a cat. He will slowly develop substantial flu like symptoms followed by more pain than usual at the scratch sites. After a few weeks the cause of the disease will be described as "necrotising fasciitis" from a group A Streptococcus bacteria. Treatment will progress but will be unable to stop the disease. It will then be discovered that in addition to group A he also is infected with an antibiotic resistant group B Streptococcus.
His living areas will be have been contaminated with these bacteria in high numbers and the genetic make-up will be identical to bacteria at the Center for Disease Control.
Posted by: Maddog at January 11, 2007 04:35 PM (VbQnF)
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The guy is probably on protease cocktails now, biding his time and wondering why he can't laid anymore, by his students or the homeless guy he bought the shirt for.
Posted by: positronis at January 11, 2007 04:40 PM (/p4V9)
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Seery be the victim of a hit-and-run by an illegal alien while protesting the war with Cindy Sheehan at the Democratic Convention in Denver this fall. The casket will have to be closed as he will have "La Raza" from the license plate liner stamped into his forehead. Cindy will lose both legs and be known as "Shorty Sheehan" for the rest of her days.
Don't you dare say that I don't support our protestors, though.
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The "New Way Forward"
From yonder White House.
Have at it. I'm going to be a bad political blogger and not read this until after Bush's speech, but I'm guessing the new way farward is neither through Damascus nor Tehran, so I'm sure I'll be disappointed anyway.
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No promises made, but he did at least mention Iran and Syria as part of the problem. Maybe there's still hope. ... He doesn't know where Jamil is either. ... Collecting some reactions at
http://www.smalltownveteran.net/bills_bites/2007/01/the_speech.html
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Dueling Incompentencies
As if having Mike Nifong as the District Attorney in neighboring Durham wasn't bad enough:
A Cary High School student has been released on bond after allegedly spiking a science teacher's water bottle with acid.
Zachary Midgette, 17, was arrested Monday on a charge of assault on a government official. The misdemeanor carries a maximum sentence of 150 days in jail.
Police said Midgette admitted putting hydrochloric acid and zinc chloride from the school science lab in his teacher's water bottle last Friday.
You heard it here, folks: try to kill your teacher with
two potentially fatal poisons in Wake County, and all you will be charged with is a misdemeanor that carries a
maximum of 150 days in jail.
I think it's time for the
North Carolina Bar to lay off the hard stuff.
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Just saw this guy's booking photo. He has "future inmate" written all over him.
I too admit more than a bit of chagrin at the lackluster charge in this case. He didn't just slash the teacher's tires, he put hydrochloric acid and zinc chloride in her damned drink! Luckily for her she was savvy enough to go to the emergency room as soon as she started getting odd symptoms.
Since the police aren't wanting to charge this crime with the "Attempted Murder" it deserves, I hope he at least gets violently fondled while serving his time in jail.
Posted by: Bard at January 10, 2007 10:49 AM (w0U3w)
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Maybe Wake County will say, "Let's get Mikey! He'll do anything!"
Posted by: Specter at January 10, 2007 10:55 AM (ybfXM)
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So, Bard, you are in favor of sexual assault on a minor, eh. I hope none of your children ever does anything wrong and has to spend time in jail being "violently fondled".
Posted by: Tamerlane at January 10, 2007 08:00 PM (bJhst)
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Senator's Condition Upgraded
Glad to hear it:
Sen. Tim Johnson's condition has been upgraded from critical to fair, four weeks after he was hospitalized for a brain hemorrhage, his office said Tuesday.
The South Dakota Democrat, who was rushed to the hospital December 13 and underwent emergency surgery, remains in intensive care, said his spokeswoman, Julianne Fisher.
"The senator continues to make progress," Fisher said. "The next step would be rehabilitation and we hope that would happen within the week."
Johnson's office has said that his recovery is expected to take several months.
He underwent surgery to correct a condition called arteriovenous malformation, involving tangled arteries in his brain.
The senator's doctors said last week that Johnson was improving but still needed a ventilator at night to help him breathe. The ventilator has required a tube to be placed down Johnson's throat, making it impossible for him to talk.
His long-term prognosis is unclear. He has been responsive to his family and physicians, following commands, squeezing his wife's hand and understanding speech.
Senator Johnson's ordeal is not just one he experiences, but one his entire family must endure. If you're of a mind to, prayers certainly wouldn't hurt.
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Did the AP Lie About Jamil Hussein Being Found?
Or is this just being lost in translation? Curt, at Flopping Aces with the apparent bombshell:
Brig. Abdul-Karim Khalaf never acknowledged that there was a Capt. Jamil Hussein assigned to the Khadra station, he confirmed to the AP that there was a Capt. Jamil Ghdaab Gulaim assigned there. Apparently he is the source for the AP even though he still, to this day (according to Bill Costlow), denies being the source.
So what do we have so far?
That the AP has lied again in their response. The AP specifically stated that Brig. Abdul-Karim Khalaf acknowledged Jamil Hussein exists when he did no such thing. He acknowledged a completely different name the AP gave him but not a Jamil Hussein.
This, of course, means that Michelle Malkin
nailed it on December 20. Anyone got a good crow recipe for
Eric Boehlert?
I'll have more on this as I process the implications...
Update: Before I get to worked up about this one way or the other, I'm going to want some verification that Costlow is correct. This is something that Curt is asking Costlow to triple-check, and I am also asking MNF-I PAO to verifiy as well. Until then, let's agree to take this with a grain of salt.
Why?
Because if Brig. General Abdul-Karim Khalaf
did not tell the Associated Press that there was a Captain Jamil Hussein at the Khadra police station, then we have what many would interpret as an attempt by the Associated Press to deceive it's readership, which numbers roughly one billion people on this planet every day. That would be big news, and potentially indicate there are yet bigger fish to fry.
Likewise, it would be big (though not nearly as big) news if Brig. General Abdul-Karim Khalaf told both AP and Bill Costlow what they wanted to hear. Such a revelation would destroy his credibility as one of the Iraqi Interior Ministry's main spokesmen.
More as this develops...
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If this pans out, is this going to end up like the "16 words" incident? Where the White House apologises for claiming that Saddam Hussein sought to get uranium yellowcake from Niger, even though the facts ultimately end up supporting that statement?
Again, if this pans out, there's going to be a lot of egg on the faces of AP, Eric Boehlert, Daily Kos, Eschaton, etc.
Later,
Later,
Posted by: Cicero at January 09, 2007 03:37 PM (S35wq)
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If this pans out, the left will ignore it, just like they ignored the fact that the British stood by their niger/yellowcake info. The left lives in their own reality. Don't trouble them with facts, please.
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No. Nope. Uh-uh. Not this time. This is either up or down. Light or dark. There are no shades of gray to hide behind.
Either Brig. Abdul-Karim Khalaf admitted that Jamil Hussein was a police Captain assigned to the Khadra police station...or he did not.
There is no room for interpretation that passes even the faintest smell test. Let's examine what Steven Hurst said in his report:
Iraq threatens arrest of police captain who spoke to media
(Iraq threatens arrest of police captain, is this true, or is this not true?)
"The Interior Ministry acknowledged Thursday that an Iraqi police officer whose existence had been denied by the Iraqis and the U.S. military is in fact an active member of the force, and said he now faces arrest for speaking to the media."
In this paragraph, are the following:
1)Interior Ministry acknowledged
2)That an Iraqi police officer whose existence had been denied
3)Is IN FACT an active member of the force
4)And he now faces arrest.
Each of those items is either true, or untrue. EACH. True. Or untrue.
"Ministry spokesman Brig. Abdul-Karim Khalaf, who had previously denied there was any such police employee as Capt. Jamil Hussein, said in an interview that Hussein is an officer assigned to the Khadra police station, as had been reported by The Associated Press."
1)Abdul-Karim Khalaf, who denied that there was a CAPT. JAMIL HUSSEIN...said that HUSSEIN is an officer assigned to the Khadra police station.
Either Khalaf said that HUSSEIN was a police officer in Al-Khadra...or he didn't.
"The captain, whose full name is Jamil Gholaiem Hussein"
1)His name is either Jamil Gholaiem Hussein, or it is not.
"Khalaf offered no explanation Thursday for why the ministry had initially denied Hussein's existence, other than to state that its first search of records failed to turn up his full name. He also declined to say how long the ministry had known of its error and why it had made no attempt in the past six weeks to correct the public record."
1)Khalaf offered no explanation for why he denied Hussein's existence INITIALLY...
This is not merely an implication that he is not denying his existence now, it subsumes in its precise language that he was asked and was unable to answer why he denied this existence.
And the AP, apparently thinks that waiting six weeks to correct an improper record is not acceptable. Perhaps they can explain why they only refer to ONE mosque now...and INITIALLY they spoke of FOUR mosques...without explanation.
"Khalaf told the AP that an arrest warrant had been issued for the captain for having contacts with the media in violation of the ministry's regulations."
1)Either Khalaf told them an arrest warrant had been issued, or he didn't.
How hard is it to find a guy who appears every day at his desk in Al Khadra, as a captain of the police force? I wouldn't think this would be that difficult to serve. Has he been served?
"Hussein told the AP on Wednesday that he learned the arrest warrant would be issued when he returned to work on Thursday after the Eid al-Adha holiday. His phone was turned off Thursday and he could not be reached for further comment."
1)How convenient. Is he back at his desk now or not? Was the warrant served, or not? Where is the followup? On Friday, at a minimum...wouldn't one realistically expect a followup story by AP? Where is it?
"Some officers who speak with reporters withhold their names or attempt to disguise their names using different variants of one or two middle names or last names for reasons of security. Hussein, however, spoke for the record, using his authentic first and last name, on numerous occasions."
1)He used his AUTHENTIC FIRST AND LAST NAME...on numerous occasions....or he didn't. This is not open for debate, shading, coloring, reframing, or clouding over. Jamil Hussein is the name, authentic is the game.
"Lt. Col. Christopher Garver, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad, said Thursday that the military had asked the Interior Ministry on Nov. 26 if it had a policeman by the name of Jamil Hussein. Two days later, U.S. Navy Lt. Michael B. Dean, a public affairs officer with the U.S. Navy Multi-National Corps-Iraq Joint Operations Center, sent an e-mail to AP in Baghdad saying that the military had checked with the Iraqi Interior Ministry and was told that no one by the name of Jamil Hussein worked for the ministry or was a Baghdad police officer."
1)Does the AP now suggest that the name Jamil Hussein should have appeared on the rosters? This is a yes or no question... not open to debate or interpretation.
"Dean also demanded that the mosque attack story be retracted."
1)Did he ask that the "mosque story" or the MOSQUES (PLURAL) STORY be retracted. This is an important distinction. The "mosques story" is absolutely in need of retraction.
"At the time Khalaf said the ministry had no one on its staff by the name of Jamil Hussein."
1)Does he say something differently now? If so, what...PRECISELY.
"Maybe he wore an MOI (Ministry of Interior) uniform and gave a different name to the reporter for money," Khalaf said then. The AP has not paid Jamil Hussein and does not pay any news sources for information for its stories.
1)Does the AP use anyone else to pay on their behalf? Does it use middlemen for any purposes. Does it grant any perk or benefit for supplying a "sourcing" for numerous stories? Why does it use the same person over and over...outside his district? How does he say he comes to "know" the facts outside his district that he is "sourcing".
"On Thursday, Khalaf told AP that the ministry at first had searched its files for Jamil Hussein and found no one. He said a later search turned up Capt. Jamil Gholaiem Hussein, assigned to the Khadra police station."
1)Did he say he found Jamil Gholaiem Hussein, or did he say that he found Jamil Gholaim Ghdaab...or some other person?
"But the AP had already identified the captain by all three names in a story on Nov. 28 -- two days before the Interior Ministry publicly denied his existence on the police rolls."
1)Which three names? Where in the initial report or any of the prior 60...was the name Ghdaab? Or Gholaiem?
"Khalaf did not say whether the U.S. military had ever been told that Hussein in fact exists. Garver, the U.S. military spokesman, said Thursday that he was not aware that the military had ever been told."
1)Was he asked that question? Does HUSSEIN, in fact, exist? Or does someone else "exist" with a different name.
"Khalaf said Thursday that with the arrest of Hussein for breaking police regulations against talking to reporters, the AP would be called to identify him in a lineup as the source of its story."
1)Was "Hussein" arrested on Thursday. Was the AP called to identify him? What happened? Where's the followup?
"Should the AP decline to assist in the identification, Khalaf said, the case against Hussein would be dropped. He also said there were no plans to pursue action against the AP should it decline."
1)Pretty neat and pat. AP declines to identify him and it all goes away. Did Khalaf really say this? Did AP decline?
These are binary questions. On or off. Yes or no. 1 0r 2. The answers are out there...but apparently they are escaping the grasp of the AP.
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"Did the AP Lie About Jamil Hussein Being Found?" Would you have any trouble believing they did? I just added a teaser and link to Lt. Kije identified, facing arrest? -- Day 5
Posted by: Bill Faith at January 09, 2007 06:26 PM (n7SaI)
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Where's DA? He should tell us how wrong we are....
Posted by: Specter at January 09, 2007 09:35 PM (ybfXM)
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cfbleachers,
I ain't trying to be a putz, but with Binary Answers it'd be 0 or 1, not 1 or 2.
Holy crap, I just realized how much of a geek I am.
I'll go back to my parent's basement now.
Posted by: phin at January 10, 2007 09:23 AM (s9O5P)
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phin
LOL. Thanks, ... a V8 moment. (slaps forehead) I knew that! Very funny, though.
Posted by: cfbleachers at January 10, 2007 03:02 PM (V56h2)
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"habeas corpus". Produce the body - living or dead.
AP is bluffing.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 10, 2007 03:13 PM (clafO)
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Wow, you guys just can't let it go, can you? It's over folks, the AP has been vindicated, and you guys are sounding more loony every day. I am not suggesting that you stop, it is truly hilarious to watch you melt down this way, and I have this blog bookmarked for that very reason. But maybe you should find some more productive pursuits.
And as it turns out, Bush agreed with the rest of the world and the reporting of the AP tonight when he said that he and the American people find the situation in Iraq "unacceptble." At least here he agreed in part with the ISG, which described the situation in Iraq as "grave and deteriorating." We all know that in your delusional state you believe things are going great in Iraq and therefore the AP must have lied. But if both
Bush and the ISG say differently, and if Bush decides he needs more troops to salvage the current disaster, what more will it take to inject some sanity into this blog?
Posted by: antibush at January 10, 2007 11:39 PM (THcR9)
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If a story is fake but accuarate, admitting that the accurate part is right, does not prove the fake part is true.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at January 11, 2007 10:46 AM (oC8nQ)
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It's over folks, the AP has been vindicated
Where's the body?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 11, 2007 12:11 PM (clafO)
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Where's the body?
That would be here.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 11, 2007 12:42 PM (g5Nba)
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The Beginning of Surge Combat?
It looks like both coalition forces and the insurgents might be changing tactics in Baghdad, as a signifigant combat operation in Baghdad enters a fourth day:
Hundreds of U.S. and Iraqi troops battled with insurgents in a stronghold of the Sunni insurgency in central Baghdad Tuesday.
The firefight began before dawn and followed two days of violence in the neighborhood that left as many as 50 insurgents dead.
The U.S. and Iraqi troops came under attack by snipers, mortar rounds, and small arms fire.
By midday Tuesday (4 a.m. ET), the U.S. military sent in fixed-wing aircraft and Apache attack helicopters to support the ground forces.
U.S. military sources said the insurgent group included elements from the Saddam Hussein regime, foreign fighters, and members of al Qaeda in Iraq.
They said the group was waging a sophisticated, coordinated battle, and was fighting against 400 U.S. troops and 500 Iraqi soldiers.
Combat started Saturday when Iraqi troops came under fire when trying to recover bodies dumped near a cemetery.
At this stage of the war it is rare for Sunni insurgents to engage in a multi-day battle against coalition forces, for obvious reasons: they have lost
every single major engagement they have ever engaged in since the 2003 invasion, usually suffering heavy losses. They simply lack the training, support, weaponry or numbers to prevail in such conflicts, and so it is of note that they seem to have chosen to make a stand, of sorts, in this Baghdad neighborhood at this time. Why? What are they protecting, and what are they trying to prove? Why have they not slipped away under the guise of civilians as they so often do?
There is some sort of prize involved here, be it material, personnel, or philosophical. I'll be watching this story with great interest, and will provide updates as I can. This particular battle bears watching as a portent of what "surge" operations in Baghdad may look like in months to come.
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Mabey there are trying to hide Jamil Hussein
Posted by: Rich at January 09, 2007 12:10 PM (EblDJ)
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I think their Beanie Baby collection is in there somewhere.
Posted by: bird dog at January 09, 2007 12:51 PM (YadGF)
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Who know, who cares? Seriously. The only way to win such an insurgency is to seal off the area then slowly tighten the circle (this would include house-to-house inspections). Anyone allowed out has to be carefully inspected, anyone else is either arrested or killed.
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Bah! Hit "Post" too quickly. I meant to add
"This ahould be all we are concerned with right now, any questions of 'why' are fine for pundits but our men and women in the field need to be exclusively focused on winning."
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Agree with Bard. You create a noose, and tighten it - then call in the Warthogs.
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