Confederate Yankee
September 14, 2008
The Official Wasilla Banned Books List
Some panicky progressives keep claiming (erroneously) that while as Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, Sarah Palin banned book in the public library, or tried to ban books, and some of the rumors being passed around even attempt to named books that the rumor creators said were banned.
Want a full, official list of every book ever banned in Wasilla, AK?
Here you go, taken from the
official source (PDF).
No books have
ever been banned in Wasilla at the request of Sarah Palin, or anyone else. Further, only one of the five books challenged even occurred during her terms in office.
Reality, folks.
Try it sometime.
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C'mon, that's as disingenuous as a McCain TV commercial.
Palin never made "official" requests to ban books. She was mayor, I mean, Mayor. She tried to back channel it, and when the librarian didn't cozy up to her requests, she fired the librarian. But the protest that arose from the citizenry of Wasilla (all two of 'em) made Palin reinstate the librarian. But, true to form, Palin finally "got" her two years later.
Palin hasn't and won't be canonized, so you best accept that she has a few warts. Maybe she hides them better than most, but she's got 'em
Posted by: larrys at September 14, 2008 12:13 PM (PMlL4)
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she fired the librarian
Someone really hasn't been paying attention. The librarian somehow remained unfired for another three years, despite the firing.
Posted by: Slartibartfast at September 14, 2008 12:28 PM (kC3nL)
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But, true to form, Palin finally "got" her two years later.
I'd heard the librarian retired. Anyone know the truth?
Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 14, 2008 12:45 PM (Bpq+O)
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She resigned in August 1999, two months before Palin was voted in for a second mayoral term.
Of course, absolutely everyone knows that Palin forced her to resign, just like she did the first time.
Oh.
Posted by: Slartibartfast at September 14, 2008 12:49 PM (kC3nL)
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And after Palin finally got her "own" librarian, the number of books banned? A gazillion.
Or, like, none.
Still, though -- CENSORSHIP!
Posted by: Jeff G at September 14, 2008 01:00 PM (H0vt1)
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Here's what the Anchorage Daily News had; that was what I am going on:
"TOWN MAYOR: She wanted to know if books would be pulled.
By RINDI WHITE
rwhite@adn.com
(09/04/08 01:49:40)WASILLA — Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so. According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn’t fully support her and had to go. Emmons had been city librarian for seven years and was well liked. After a wave of public support for her, Palin relented and let Emmons keep her job.It all happened 12 years ago and the controversy long ago disappeared into musty files."
http://straighttalkexpresswatch.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/anchorage-daily-news-palin-pressured-wasilla-librarian/
I'm sure that some right wing blogs (kinda like this one) may have an alternative version of the story splayed across their alternative universe.
Posted by: larrys at September 14, 2008 01:03 PM (PMlL4)
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There are some people who do not care for the truth. For them, if the Librarian retired for whatever reason, then it's obvious Palin forced her.
Please, it's stated Palin did not force any retirement, did not ban any books, and only asked a what if question. Do try to relax, and go take your medications.
Posted by: Sally at September 14, 2008 01:04 PM (h1ZnQ)
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In light of that, larrys, how many books were banned after the poor, righteous librarian had been "gotten out of the way"?
Does it not embarrass you to have to grasp at such thin straws to prop up the liars of the democrat left? I mean, what do you get in return?
Posted by: ccoffer at September 14, 2008 01:09 PM (cFgv2)
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larrys reads "she was going to be fired" as "she was fired".
I guess it just all depends on what you want to believe.
Me, if I were going to fire someone? I'd send them a letter telling them I was going to fire them. And then I'd send a copy to a reporter who can't be bothered to produce a direct quote. Save them the effort, dontcha know.
Posted by: Slartibartfast at September 14, 2008 01:16 PM (L51+P)
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Furthermore, it's blatantly obvious that all of Sarah Palin's decision making is entirely personal, and she would never discuss books or staffing as a result of conversations with constituents.
When you're running a fascist campaign, it is crucial for all decision making to stem from pure megalomania.
Oh, what a Bad Person.
Posted by: C Smith at September 14, 2008 01:30 PM (25WIc)
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"But, true to form, Palin finally "got" her two years later."
Show us your evidence for this -- seems to me a drive-by smear.
You folks are losing -- the least you can do is fess up to it and start running a responsible campaign, not one of fear and smear.
Posted by: Richard Romano at September 14, 2008 02:05 PM (kycO9)
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You know, somehow I have to wonder if Larrys would be perfectly all right with all the political appointees made by Bush staying in an Obama administration.
Because the "city librarian" isn't a behind the desk helping you check out books position. Nope, its a political position, kind of like Secretary of Education or Secretary of State.
But no, he's a partisan attacking what he would defend if the parties were reversed. What a tool.
Posted by: Chad at September 14, 2008 02:19 PM (E2GpM)
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Larry and leftists et. al.: Don't you have some handicapped war vets to smear?
Maybe you could get the Obama camp to make a commercial, outlining how McCain doesn't read books, because you know, he can't hold them up over his head or something equally irrelevant?
Posted by: Conservative CBU at September 14, 2008 02:29 PM (M+Vfm)
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larrys,
Lessons in reading comprehension:
'Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so.'
Please note that there is no quote from Mayor Palin. And even paraphrased, the Mayor posed a hypothetical. Contrary to your imagined version of events, no request was made - 'official' or otherwise.
There is not a shred of evidence for your assertion that 'she tried to back channel it'. You made that up.
During Palin's tenure, a total of one book was challenged. It remained on the shelf. No reason to believe that the Mayor was involved in any way whatsoever. You imagined that.
The librarian was a political appointee. It is commonplace for incoming administrations to request resignations from all political appointees, and then choose which ones to accept. That appears to be the case here.
There is not a shred of evidence of any kind that it had to do with book banning.
Contrary to your initial comment, the librarian was not fired. Poor reading skills on your part. In 1999 the librarian retired for unrelated reasons. No indication whatsoever that Palin 'got' her. You imagined that, too.
For some reason, you're under the impression that the Anchorage Daily News story supports your version of events. If you want to discuss an 'alternative universe', do it with your psychiatrist.
Posted by: lyle at September 14, 2008 02:56 PM (aiizS)
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Listen up people 'coz I'm only going to say it once. I'm a small rural librarian and this is the same sort of questions any new administrator would be asking. Because they don't know and have to get up to speed. Libraries and librarians get and answer these questions every time there is an administration turnover, nothing new at all. If they don't ask, they don't know. Check the link.
http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2008/09/06/breaking_news/doc48c1c8a60d6d9379155484.txt
Posted by: tibby at September 14, 2008 03:43 PM (MzoJP)
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Consevative CBU said:
>>Larry and leftists et. al.: Don't you have some handicapped war vets to smear?
No, everyone else (leftists AND independents) leave that to the REPUBLICANS. Remember questioning McClelland's patriotism? Remember your very own dear Karl Rove smearing your own candidate, McCain (baby from black mistress) when it served his W purpose? Remember Swiftboating Kerry (which was all disproved and funded by Republicans?).
Smearing vets (and by the way, voting AGAINST the GI Bill, as McCain has done) is the REPUBLICAN way.
Posted by: ALex A at September 14, 2008 04:12 PM (V6iqe)
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Has anyone figured out why the left has to lie? If like they say the American people agree with them then just getting the word out should be sufficient. How many lies has it been so far just about Palin? We have the one that said Trig was her daughters kid, the one about being on God's side, the banning of books, wanting to teach creationism in school, they said she joined some secessionist group, said she supported a "nazi sympathizer" in Buchanan, those are just the lies off the top of my head. So, I count 6 lies told about Sarah Palin so far, feel free to add onto the list.
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at September 14, 2008 04:18 PM (kNqJV)
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Even Alex comes right out and lies, as everyone knows Rove had nothing to do with the "black baby" smear and like everyone knows (except far left wing fanatical nutjobs) the Swiftboat vets were completely right on each and every accusation. Only vicious military haters would call 254 highly decorated vets liars. But that's what leftists do, they have such a seething rage for anyone in uniform that they must lie and smear each and every one of them if possible.
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at September 14, 2008 04:21 PM (kNqJV)
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According to Wikipedia in 2007 there were 172,000 books published in the US. A small town library would be lucky to purchase a small fraction of them. Who decides?
Who decides which books get purchased, who decides which books get pulled from shelves? Both are part of the normal operation of a library. Who decides? Who reviews the decision?
A similar thing: Does a General decide which battles we fight? Yes! But in the US the President, a civilian, overrides.
Mayor Truman replaced Librarian MacArthur when the General thought the buck stopped with the expert, himself, MacArthur. That no mere civilian could override his command decisions.
If that MacArthur bought Heather Had Two Mommies, by golly, Heather's Mommy and her lesbian lover were damn well going to stay on that children's shelf -- in fact, since some dinky non-librarian complained, Heather was moving front and center on the Popular and Recommended Display Rack.
No god-damn Truman of a Mayor or Council will tell us Librarians, us experts in warfare, not to invade China. Generals do not accept review by the anti-free speech puritans of civilians like a President, like that dime store hat salesman Truman!
Posted by: bvw at September 14, 2008 04:22 PM (hF71T)
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My my Alex, you liberals certainly do live in your own little world don't you.
You liberals have absolutely ZERO ground to stand on when it comes to the military in this country.
Constant smears up to and including this latest vile attack ad from Obama on McCain's inability to use email, are just the latest in your long, long list of despicable garbage aimed at our military.
Your nonsense REEKS of desparation and fear.
Posted by: Conservative CBU at September 14, 2008 04:23 PM (M+Vfm)
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"Conservative CBU" speaking of "REEKS" I can see the next Obama ad. It will show McCain sweaty and say something along the lines that McCain "REEKS" because he can't reach over his head to wash his hair. To listen to these liberals you get the idea that they wish the Viet Cong would have tortured McCain even more.
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at September 14, 2008 04:46 PM (kNqJV)
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Tibby sums it up very well. A new Mayor needs to know who works for them, where they stand, and how well there going to fit in with the new administration.
A political appointee works at the pleasure of the elected official. Politics is politics, there is no appeal for appointees. Larrys is grasping---and pathetically at that.
Posted by: Jeff at September 14, 2008 05:04 PM (+UTtV)
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tibby, thank you. My wife is a librarian and says much the same. Furthermore, the librarian is wrong about book challenges being a constitutional issue and that the ACLU would be up helping on her side if a mayor tried to have a book removed from the shelves. It is a very typical librarian over-reaction to believe that their interpretation of censorship laws are God's True Way, and as such, must be the law.
Of course, a librarian who acquired "Heather Has Two Mommies" would likely not know that, believing instead the fevered editorials from the ALA.
ALex A - try to stay on topic, please.
Posted by: Assistant Village Idiot at September 14, 2008 05:05 PM (YQFD4)
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Capitalist Infidel, you may like this post.
Vetting Sarah Palin.
Posted by: Chris of Rights at September 14, 2008 05:24 PM (L65To)
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The Wasilla library has a copy of "Heather Has Two Mommies"?!?
Posted by: Frederick Michael at September 14, 2008 05:26 PM (mKk7c)
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Alex A, I challenge you to link to any proof whatsoever that any of the major Swiftboat charges were disproved. (I believe at least one minor one is pretty much a matter of interpretation.)
It would have been easy to do so, were it possible, if John F Kerry had just released his military records to the public *AS HE REPEATEDLY PROMISED TO DO!!* Gosh, with all that proof that the Swifties lied, you'd think that somehow Kerry would have found time since July or so of 2004 to get those suckers out there and give the lie to the charges. No such luck.
As for McClelland, I also challenge you to offer any proof of your lie about his patriotism being questioned. The ad that he hated because it killed his re-election chances merely pointed out, truly, that he delayed safety measures by trying to get the TSA to be allowed to be unionized.
You, sir, are a prime example of the very lying you lie about. To quote one of your Lefty heroes, you are a "Lying liar".
Posted by: JorgXMcKie at September 14, 2008 07:10 PM (1Sf5X)
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Looks as though the entire readership of the Huffington Post has dropped by to lay a few 'nuggets' of wisdom re SP. The smell is wafting off my computer screen, and unpleasant.
Posted by: Meaux at September 14, 2008 07:15 PM (MmOLU)
Posted by: tibby at September 14, 2008 07:54 PM (MzoJP)
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The book banning, 'bridge to nowhere' and the trooper firing arguments are tired. The bottom line is that she stopped the bridge and the trooper mess means nothing to me. Palin supports gun rights, less government, lower taxes, strong defense, drilling for oil in the US, and hopefully will slow the abortion holocaust - a veritable pillar of modern day Liberalism. I'm a Conservative and am proud to say I've donated twice to McCain/Palin, as well as once to McCain's compliance fund, and once to the GOP and that's SINCE Palin was announced as running mate. That's how fired up I am. Will be donating again very soon.
Posted by: bse5150 at September 14, 2008 08:40 PM (3D+A0)
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jorge, you stole my thunder. But here is the quote from the ad:
"Georgians deserve to know - all Americans deserve to know - why Max Cleland is more concerned with protecting federal bureaucracy, rules and regulations than creating a department that can respond effectively to future threats of terrorism," Chambliss said.
Cleland and the Dems chose to characterize that ad as questioning his patriotism, when really his judgement and major concerns were questioned. Fair politics, so of course Democrats are screaming.
Posted by: iconoclast at September 14, 2008 09:19 PM (TzLpv)
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B-b-but... there were books... and she... uh...
MCCAIN WILL DIE OF SPEEDY-CANCER ON INAUGURATION DAY!!!!
Posted by: Jim Treacher at September 14, 2008 10:02 PM (NV3P1)
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This is actually funny. Your RebYank posits that Sister Sarah is as pure as the wind-driven snow, and all I did was post what they printed at the Anchorage newspaper. You call the paper liars, not me -- I couldn't care less about this brouhaha, because I'm not voting for her anyway -- and none of youo is probably less that a thousand miles away from Alaska. You don't know any differently that what you've read on other blogs or heard on the Republican talking points. I don't know anything other than what I read in the paper.
If it makes you happy, It doesn't appear that Palin ever "ordered" that books be banned. "All" she did was ask the librarian if the librarian would ban books if she was requested to do so. I'm not comfortable with a mayor who would even ask.
Same thing with the letter. No, Palin evidently didn't "fire" the librarian. "All" she did was tell the librarian that she INTENDED to fire her. (Although I heard the police chief on the radio last week read directly from the letter he got at the same time, and it said something like "You will be terminated as of Friday" or something like that. But since she was reinstated, Palin didn't do ANYTHING wrong according to the GOP.
Kinda sorta like she was stopped from committing the crimes she attempted, so she's perfectly innocent. And no, I'm not trying to suggest that any of this activity was illegal. I'm just saying that, when someone or something stops you from doing whatever it was you intended to do, you're not exactly blameless. And not only do you not want ANY blame to slosh onto Palin, you'd apparently give her a commendation for Mayoral Diligence Above and Beyond.
Fine. Like I said, no never mind to me.
Although I sincerely cannot believe that the librarian of a town of 5000 was actually compared to the U.S. Secretary of Education!
Posted by: larrys at September 14, 2008 10:41 PM (PMlL4)
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Posted by: geena at September 14, 2008 11:06 PM (rkx29)
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What a power-crazy tyrant Sarah Palin is!!! Hitler. Castro. Palin. I'm scared.
Posted by: Nellie at September 14, 2008 11:06 PM (0db6q)
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"I couldn't care less about this brouhaha"
larrys - BS. You came here to comment about it so you're already lying. You obviously care enough to try to trash the republican VP candidate. Or did you come here for the ambiance?
Posted by: daleyrocks at September 14, 2008 11:35 PM (i/fLn)
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I'd say that when you ask the librarian not once, not twice, but three times what she thinks about banning books, that it's more than just a theoretical question, especially when the interrogator happens to belong to a Christian taliban cult in town that is spearheading the vandalism of books in the same library and agitating for book banning.
But hey, they weren't right-wing books that were likely to be banned, so don't look behind that curtain.
Posted by: Turniptruck at September 14, 2008 11:35 PM (DMHwf)
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larrys,
I didn't dispute the Anchorage Daily News story. I disputed your ability to read it.
Snark quotes are juvenile.
You say that Mayor Palin was prevented from doing things she intended to do, but her intent is entirely in your own mind. She didn't ban any books; she didn't request that any books be banned, and she didn't fire the librarian.
You simply imagine that she wanted to.
How do you know that she wants to ban books and fire librarians? Because she's a fascist. And how do you know she's a fascist? Because she wants to ban books and fire librarians.
But... she had the power to do those things and didn't do them. Does Spock have a goatee in your universe?
Posted by: lyle at September 14, 2008 11:49 PM (aiizS)
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larry:
The fact that the police chief got a "you will be fired" letter too doesn't exactly bolster the theory that the librarian was fired because she wouldn't "ban" books.
Posted by: Mars vs Hollywood at September 14, 2008 11:50 PM (tEYz8)
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Turniptruck,
More juvenile hysteria.
You're panic-stricken about the new Mayor and the imminent dark night of fascism. But Mayor Palin was elected in 1996. Twelve years have passed. None of the things thay you assert were 'likely' to happen, actually happened.
Books weren't banned, librarians weren't fired.
You're angrily insisting on the importance of events that never happened. At times like this, you should reassess your grip on reality.
Posted by: lyle at September 15, 2008 12:24 AM (aiizS)
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"when someone or something stops you from doing whatever it was you intended to do, you're not exactly blameless."
OK, one more time - WHAT exactly did the librarian "intend to do" that Palin "stopped" her from doing? "larrys", you are a desperate nitwit.
Posted by: Gary Rosen at September 15, 2008 02:11 AM (sHuCu)
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larrys and Turnip - Could you folks direct me to where I could get some of your fine training in religious bigotry?
Much appreciated.
KTHNXBAI
Posted by: daleyrocks at September 15, 2008 02:41 AM (i/fLn)
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Geena, you must lead an interesting life.
Posted by: Amber at September 15, 2008 05:43 AM (88nTr)
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There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending that you can love your country but despise your government.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at September 15, 2008 07:38 AM (u2SV+)
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So I'm to understand that Palin wanted to ban books but the heroic librarian stood up to her tyranny. So Palin had that librarian canned for not banning those books, but then proceeded to... not actually ban any books once she put in a puppet librarian?
Seems like a lot of trouble to ban books without banning any books.
Posted by: DoDoGuRu at September 15, 2008 07:44 AM (xBkZj)
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Rather than getting involved with explaining one more time, I will take a different tack. Larys and turniptruck seem to be responding to some intuition or gut-level feeling about the sort of person Palin is, as exemplified by this action. I suggest that it is an over-interpretation based on social rather than intellectual cues.
Posted by: Assistant Village Idiot at September 15, 2008 07:48 AM (FZP+j)
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Mayor, then Governor, Sarah Palin FORCED Lance Armstrong and Brett Favre to retire. Of course, it wasn't public knowledge, but everyone knows it was because they wouldn't join her on a motorcycle ride and moose hunt, respectively. But seeing Joe Biden's career resurrected, they now have found the courage to come forth and resume their careers.
Posted by: This Just In at September 15, 2008 07:49 AM (Xc1CS)
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God, I get so tired of Max Cleland being brought up. I live here in GA and he did not lose even because of that ad. The ad that cost him the election was the 90% voting with NorthEastern Liberals. Heck, that is the ad that cost him. He voted against his constituency and for those NE Liberals. Please, never think for a moment we do not appreciate the sacrifice of a man dumb enough to pick up a grenade in a war zone.
Posted by: James Stephenson at September 15, 2008 07:50 AM (y+n00)
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So, once again we recount the only facts that matter: Sarah Palin never banned any books, and a lot of Democrats keep deliberately lying to promote the idea that she did. Gotcha.
Posted by: Kevin at September 15, 2008 07:55 AM (+92sn)
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Palin formally asked for the resignations of all positions staffed by the mayor's authority. It is traditional and the librarian wasn't let go and no books were banned.
QED
Posted by: Dennis Todd at September 15, 2008 07:58 AM (2mFF4)
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I note that the pdf from the mayor's office is undated. That's a strange way to conduct business. On the plus side, the document is available on the cityofwasilla.com site, which increases its probability of being genuine.
Posted by: tom swift at September 15, 2008 07:59 AM (3wZqG)
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Sounds like the "fake but accurate" argument is coming back again in 2008. My memory is a little fuzzy, but how did that work out again in 2004?
Posted by: John at September 15, 2008 08:06 AM (ksERZ)
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Clearly the “Bush” Supreme Court helped her steal all those elections Sarah Palen claims to have won in Alaska. There is no way she won them honestly, just look at how unpopular she is in that state. Who in their right mind thinks that a fascist, book burning, homophobic, right wing adulterous religious zealot that believes that Noah took all those dinosaurs on the ark with him could get elected to any office anywhere? Oh, did I mention that she has no idea who is the father of those children she had, oh yeah, and her husband is her brother, and they were both born in St. Peters Basilica in Rome, so she is not even legally entitled to run for office.
Posted by: Mike Roth at September 15, 2008 08:06 AM (ecE9L)
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Why would Republicans "swiftboat" McClellan? He won the Distinguished Flying Cross! What's that? Moonbat flung wrong pile? Oh, never mind.
Posted by: rhodeymark at September 15, 2008 08:09 AM (y67bA)
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Spent a few days digging through the microfiche files, and in fact the discussion wasn't about any of those incidents, but a challenge at Big Lake Library in 1993.
Complete overview is available here.
Posted by: Cecil Turner at September 15, 2008 08:22 AM (UL0mI)
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Seems to me it's the left that wants to ban books.
Ever seen a Creationism book in a public high school library?
Posted by: koblog at September 15, 2008 08:51 AM (zHBTQ)
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Larrys, let me condescend to give you a clue.
Your last post above that state's your own opinion and stretches no facts, is a legitimate way of expressing your own doubts about a candidate.
Your first post made exaggerated claims that rose to the level of smear and distortion.
To exaggerate is to weaken. Can you guess which of your arguments or statements is more honest and more likely to persuade? And yet you've so damaged yourself in the opinion of others that you get ridiculed and dismissed. You might want to remember that the truth should be enough. That plus some rational conclusions that represent your own feeling or opinion is far more likely to "work" , or be given weight by others, than easily challenged distortions that make you out to be a determined prevaricator.
Posted by: sarahW at September 15, 2008 09:13 AM (7sl9X)
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On the site where the rumors are collected and commented on (sorry, I can't remember where -- Charlie someone does it) the request to the librarian is listed.
Also there is the information that Gov Palin asked for the resignations / fired a number of other city officials, as was her right. One of those was the then police chief (who was replaced, I think, and would seem to be the person who was heard reading his letter on the radio).
The tidbit (yum, such a gossipy word) was that the librarian and the police chief were GF/BF. (!!) Ooohhh. That probably makes them part of the 15 to 20% of the folks (and 99.44% of those the NYT found) in Alaska who don't like how Gov. Palin was doing her job.
Posted by: Janice Lyons at September 15, 2008 09:26 AM (4TU0O)
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Sarah Palin has an 85% approval rating in Alaska. Oh well.
It's time for you to just LET GO of your anger at her for not murdering her baby. I realize that baby's blood provides good lubrication for your perverted sexual practices. But don't worry, there are plenty of abortions still out there.
Posted by: Ken at September 15, 2008 01:08 PM (y8Hxz)
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"If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from."
— Barack Obama, Democratic National Convention, August 28, 2008
Posted by: INCITEmarsh at September 15, 2008 01:29 PM (ULsz9)
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"All" she did was ask the librarian if the librarian would ban books if she was requested to do so. I'm not comfortable with a mayor who would even ask.
You're kidding Larry, right? So all books are to be placed in libraries? None are to be banned?
Do you understand how irresponsible this particular belief is?
Posted by: Richard Romano at September 15, 2008 02:13 PM (kycO9)
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This whole "controversy" reminds me of the scene in The Day After Tomorrow, where the lib is horrified that someone wants to burn some books to keep from freezing to death.
Posted by: Trey at September 15, 2008 02:53 PM (GkjT/)
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You guys forget that for most jobs, employers can't just "fire" someone.
If their work is substandard or their behavior wrong, they get a letter stating what the problem is.
Afterward, they can change the behavior. If not, you have to document where and when the behavior occured, and then you can fire them.
If they are fired without cause, they can take you to some kind of court and sue.
I went through this with a nurse who was taking kickbacks: I couldn't prove it, but she slipped up once and paid herself twice, and I found the checks. She tried to sue, but dropped it when her lawyer pointed out that she could have been arrested for theft...
Where's the details in the letter? She was "fired" or she was warned (part of the "warning" you might be fired).
Oh yes: removing a book from the children's section is not "censorship"...it's common sense.
Posted by: Tioedong at September 15, 2008 05:33 PM (l7qSO)
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"What a power-crazy tyrant Sarah Palin is!!! Hitler. Castro. Palin. I'm scared."
Hey, Godwin's Law!
Posted by: iceqube at September 15, 2008 05:46 PM (LXD2u)
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"I don't know anything other than what I read in the paper." --Larrys
I hadda feeling...
Posted by: Conservative CBU at September 15, 2008 09:10 PM (M+Vfm)
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uys, it's in the news article:
"After a wave of public support for her, Palin relented and let Emmons keep her job."
I didn't say this, the paper did. Now, if you guys know so much more about what happened in Wasilla than the folks in Anchorage know, then fine.
But feel free to throw insults my way simply because I posted what was in the paper.
Posted by: larrys at September 15, 2008 09:54 PM (PMlL4)
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Tioedong ;
What planet do you live on?
All employees, not covered under a Union Contract and/or a personal contract, are "at will" employees and may be terminated for any or no reason.
This is especially true for political appointees, (see Clinton firing of US Attorney's, not to be confused with Bush firing of same).
Posted by: Mike at September 15, 2008 10:09 PM (y7Gv0)
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No books were ever banned in Wasilla. It's all been a big mistake.
The reporters are digging in the wrong city. The actual city that banned the books, fired librarians, and police chiefs was Wasilly.
Posted by: SouthernRoots at September 15, 2008 11:24 PM (EsOdX)
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"After a wave of public support for her, Palin relented and let Emmons keep her job."
To a left wing moonbat that's enough. To clear thinking individuals we need more. Prove to me the "public support." Let me see the emails and letters. If not I can only assume the left wing fanatic who wrote the article is lying.
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at September 15, 2008 11:50 PM (kNqJV)
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Uh, just trying to ban books is bad enough.
Also, I just read that she was actually on the city council when she tried it, not as mayor. Look, she comes from a christian denomination that really does try to ban books from libraries. So why is it so hard to believe that she actually did want to?
I think the rumors at first were over the top, but now the backlash is getting pretty ridiculous too.
Posted by: Jonesy at September 15, 2008 11:57 PM (3pggx)
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Emmons stayed around after being reinstated for 2-3 years before she retired. Just about any self-respecting librarian would have quit if their boss tried to bully her into banning books. They would not have continued to work in such a 'hostile' environment. Either Emmons was not self-respecting or she recognized Palin's remark for what it was - a rhetorical question. Since no no books were banned and Emmons did not quit it is pretty evident that the Democrats are trying to viciously smear Palin and the librarian.
Posted by: MAd Jayhawk at September 16, 2008 12:49 AM (vXK4o)
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Morons:
No librarian was fired. No books were banned.
It's twelve years later.
It's a non-scandal. You're worked up over the prospect of something happening in the past - something that never in fact happened.
Why is that so hard to understand?
Do you want to bet whether Walter Mondale will beat Ronald Reagan? No doubt you can imagine that possibility from the perspective of mid-1984. But it's not going to happen.
Because it's the past.
No librarian was fired. No books were banned. Stop getting excited. It never happened. You're living in a what-if fantasy. For god's sake, grow up.
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Thank you lyle for your clear thinking.
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NY Times Advocates 3rd Bush Administration
After reading the NY Times rail against Sarah Palin's style of governance, making it very clear that they find it reprehensible when political appointees are replaced by incoming elected officials, I can only assume that they will protest loudly if the next President does not keep President Bush's appointees once he takes office.
It's good to know they support such a continuity in government, doesn't it?
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3rd Bush term? Here's a group promoting the idea, only stepping it up a notch.
Posted by: capitano at September 14, 2008 09:33 AM (UsyG7)
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Gee, I wonder what we would find these fellators singing if we went back and checked out what they were saying when Bill and Hillery fired every one of the U.S. attorneys (including the one investigating the Whitewater irregularities)?
Posted by: emdfl at September 14, 2008 12:22 PM (N1uaO)
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I was always curious about what would be said when "President Obama" confronted the 90 odd sitting US Attorneys... you know, the ones who serve at the pleasure of the President, who Clinton fired en masse, and who, because of some obscure language in the constitution, can only NOT be fired by a President if that President's last name has less than five letters AND he is left-handed.... or something like that.
So if President Oby wanted to replace them all.... just what is the case? "Oh firing ALL of them is just peachy... firing eight of them is an impeachable outrage!" Or literally (I would bet).... "Um.... if Bush had fired them ALL when he started, we (Democrats) would have been just fine with it. (COUGH COUGH). But... um.... firing eight of them six years in was a.... a... vendetta, obviously! Yeah, that's it. A vendetta. He didn't fire them at the right time! Yeah, that's the ticket."
Sadly, as things are developing, I may never get the chance to see how President Obama and his allies deal with the issue.
So sad.
Posted by: Andrew X at September 14, 2008 02:10 PM (ne9bG)
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When did librarians and police chiefs become political appointees? I understand that as Mayor, Sara Palin had every right to fire anyone under her purview, it just seems a bit of a stretch to call them political appointees in a town of 7K people and assorted moose. I believe that these positions are filled by application and or interview through city council and the mayor's office as it is done throughout the United States, but hey- it's Alaska, what do I know?
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Do NOT forget that the pushback from the firing of the US attorneys is an element of the voter fraud program of the Democrats. In each case these appointees refused to pursue evidence of voter fraud. Folks, if it weren't for fraud no Democrat would be elected dog catcher outside the Liberal Heartland (NY and SF). We might have some allies in the Hillary people on this issue. Many saw Barry cheating, applying thug tactics in the caucus states. It could be we are about through poncing around on vote fraud. Of course it took Democrats suffering from it for that to occur.
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The Best They Can Get?
Air America talk radio host Randi Rhodes, last seen here almost a year ago when she claimed she was assaulted, before it was exposed that the culprit who knocked out her teeth was her own liver acting in self defense, is back in the news again.
Rhodes asserted Sarah Palin was a potential child molester, and sadly, no,
I'm not kidding.
Rhodes is the same Air America host that recently claimed John McCain
was treated well by the North Vietnamese that tortured him, and he has a lengthy history of other embarrassing rants that make liberals look like mean-spirited, ignorant fools... kinda like
Obama's latest ad against McCain over email.
I'm not surprised at all that Rhodes would chose to stay in the gutter as that is very much her shtick. But is she really the among the best liberal talk radio has to offer?
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The answer to the question is "yes" -
but only because it's such a SMALL roster.
Posted by: BD57 at September 13, 2008 01:34 PM (0X5ts)
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You've really got to go look at the unedited transcript of the Gibson/Palin interview.
ABC is trash. Charlie Gibson should go to Candy Mountain.
Posted by: Neo at September 13, 2008 03:16 PM (Yozw9)
Posted by: M at September 13, 2008 03:41 PM (erLiY)
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I know this is off topic by why isn't the US News Media reporting about the Muslim Terrorist attack in India's capital yesterday?
Could it be that they are afraid that reporting on this would hurt Obama and help McCain?
I know this is off topic by why isn't the US News Media reporting about the Muslim Terrorist attack in India's capital yesterday?
Could it be that they are afraid that reporting on this would hurt Obama and help McCain?
http://www.sajaforum.org/2008/09/breaking-news-b.html
Posted by: Larry at September 13, 2008 04:31 PM (zhJ76)
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Stephanie Miller is pretty good, but, she is mostly sane. Put her in the "old style liberal" category, rather then "Barking Moonbatus."
Does Randi still have a job?
Posted by: William Teach at September 13, 2008 04:44 PM (EGhAx)
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jpe--
Uh, no, she didn't. She wanted insurance, if available, to pay for them--nothing wrong with that.
I guess you do find the necessity for "that kind of smear."
Posted by: Trish at September 13, 2008 05:09 PM (9fvUk)
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf is watching all this and muttering, "Amateurs..."
Posted by: Jim Treacher at September 13, 2008 05:22 PM (NV3P1)
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I'm not sure, but apparently this woman's claim to fame is being a foul mouthed, drunken fool of a biatch?
Tell me ~again~ why anyone cares??
Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at September 13, 2008 08:53 PM (Oekhl)
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You know, I could have squinted my eyes, and maybe given Obama the benefit of the doubt when he made the claim he wasn't talking about Sarah Palin when he made is lipstick on a pig comment.
But my eyes are wide friggin' open with this attack on John McCain's inability to use a computer. It's painfully obvious that one of two things are happening here; Either his team is completely inept at looking into the recent past of their opponent for background, or, they know full well John McCain doesn't use email because he can't type, due to injuries from his 5 years in a Vietnamese hell hole.
Either one is unforgivable. The latter is despicable.
My guess is that the Obama campaign will attempt to say they weren't talking about John McCain's inability to type, that we "just aren't nuanced enough to understand what he was trying to convey".
This rookie makes me want to puke.
Posted by: Conservative CBU at September 13, 2008 09:36 PM (M+Vfm)
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If I were Barack Obama, I'd get myself as far away from the Stalino-Facsist likes of Randi Rhodes as soon as I could. This jerk's origins begin in the sewers of the Gulag and extend to the sewers of "Pinch" Sulzberger's Manhattan.
Posted by: Mescalero at September 13, 2008 10:11 PM (vERDJ)
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Rhodes is a deranged hack.
Posted by: PA at September 14, 2008 02:31 AM (6L459)
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Randi Rhodes listeners fervently agree with her - all 6 of them.
Posted by: Donna V. at September 14, 2008 09:56 AM (V9cFx)
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Yes. I don't know that I've ever seen or heard the woman, but from what I've read, she would look like any other toothless drunken female Mardi Gras celebrant, who, unable to get any man (or woman) to see them to safe harbor, would be seen on their knees hurling 14 Bloody Mary's from their toenails into the gutter. You know when you see it, you are viewing a shipwreck of a life. I wiped the drool off of more than one while living in The French Quarter, steering them to a cab or their hotel. Such people need a keeper, full-time.
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To clarify, I read that Randi Rhodes lost some of her teeth in an incident outside a pub. Her public spin was that she had been attacked by right-wing thugs. Witnesses at the pub say that she fell flat on her face into the sidewalk all by herself after consuming 14 Ketel One Bloody Marys. Rehab and dental implants can fix part of her. Victimology, Marxism, and her hatred of America go a lot deeper, probably to her soul.
Posted by: twolaneflash at September 14, 2008 11:54 AM (05dZx)
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It's just a "Freudian slip" on the part of Randi.
Posted by: Neo at September 14, 2008 12:58 PM (Yozw9)
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I don't think Rhodes is an Air America Host anymore
"Last week Air America suspended Randi Rhodes for abusive, obscene language at a recent public appearance in San Francisco which was sponsored by an Air America affiliate station.
Air America Media was informed last night by Ms. Rhodes that she has chosen to terminate her employment with the company.
We wish her well and thank her for past services to Air America. We will soon announce exciting new talent and programming that will accelerate Air America’s growth in the future"
It staggers the imagination, too extreme, abusive and obscene for Air America????
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The Outing of Barack Obama
If you can warp time to imagine Richard Nixon consorting with Eric Robert Rudolph for more than 20 years on public policy issues, then you can begin to understand the relationship between Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama and one of the men who made him in Chicago machine politics, Bill Ayers. What you may not be able to understand is why Obama's campaign is apparently working with Ayers to suppress the extent of their relationship.
Who was Bill Ayers?
Ayers was a founder and leader of the Weather Underground, a terrorist group that declared war upon the United States, bombed government buildings,
murdered law enforcement officers during armed robberies,
fire-bombed a judge's home, and had planned what could have been the largest terrorist mass murder in America prior to 9/11. That attack was only thwarted by the premature detonation of massive roofing nail-studded pipe bombs by Ayer's girlfriend and fellow terrorist, Diana Oughton, bombs destined for a non-commissioned officers dance at Fort Dix. The blast of just some of the pipe bombs leveled a four-story Greenwich Village townhouse; four more nail-studded bombs were recovered in the rubble, along with 57 sticks of dynamite. The anti-personnel bombs created by the Weathermen were designed to kill hundreds.
That Obama and Ayers have long had a relationship has never been in doubt, but until recently, Obama attempted to minimize that relationship, describing Ayers as little more than an college professor, someone who lived in his neighborhood, with whom he'd had minimal contact. A compliant media has even tried to claim the Weathermen never killed anyone other than their own members, a transparent falsehood.
But the facade of a distant relationship the Obama campaign has constructed between the candidate and the aging terrorist is slipping. In a recent interview with Bill O'Reilly, Obama
admitted a bit more about the extent of his relationship with Ayers.
Ayers and Obama had partnered together at the Woods Funds on various projects as members of the board of directors, in the legislature on striking down a crime bill that would have sentenced youth offends to an adult prison for a second violent crime, and most interestingly, on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), a school reform project written by Ayers that collected $49 million from the Annenberg Foundation and was tasked with raising and distributing $98 million more.
According to the NY Times, Obama was nominated to the CAC board in 1995 and was elected chairman,
despite having a paltry resume in regards to education experience, and in spite of the fact that the board had far more qualified education experts on the board for consideration, including two college presidents.
The same article notes that Bill Ayer's helped write the CAC proposal and that as soon as Obama was seated, the board was pushed to start approving enrichment program grant proposals "quickly," with little apparent regard for the quality of the proposals. A board member stated in 1998 that "the project proposals by and large were awful," and ran counter to the goals and educational strategy of the Chicago Public Schools.
As
Patterico notes, the enrichment programs that the CAC doled out money to under Obama's watch seemed geared more towards indoctrination than education, as at least some of the money Ayer's helped secure was funneled to Ayer's peers, including fellow 1960s radical Mike Klonsky, who received one of the first CAC grants of $175,000 for his Small Schools Workshop (Klonsky's blog was recently removed form the Obama campaign web site when Klonsky's radical past was exposed).
What do we know about the Chicago Annenberg Challenge other than it was deemed a disastrously-run failure, and just how close were Ayers and Obama working together?
That is a question that Professor Steve Diamond of Santa Clara University Law School would like answered, but instead of getting answers, he's run into a wall of Obama supporters that he claims is a part of a secret unit of the Obama-Biden campaign similar to Richard Nixon's =""Plumbers," a group designed to prevent leaks of information that could be damaging to the campaign.
Obama's Plumblers are tasked with limiting access to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge documents housed at the University of Illinois Library in Chicago, and according to Diamond, were behind attempts to blunt the efforts of Stanley Kurtz of the
National Review to obtain the documents, some of which may have been removed before Kurtz was afforded access.
Who are Obama's Plumbers?
If a Democratic source of Diamond's is correct, the suppression effort is being led by none other than Bill Ayers himself, and includes other members of "Progressives for Obama" that have direct access to David Axelrod, Obama's campaign manager.
Another named member is former CAC executive director Ken Rolling. Rolling, as it turns out, was responsible for awarding the grant that brought Barack Obama to Chicago in his first job as a community organizer. Ayers later helped place Rolling as the CAC executive director.
It appears there is a distinct possibility that Barack Obama was brought onto the board the CAC by Bill Ayers and pushed into the chairmanship despite not being nearly as qualified as others of the board for one simple, central purpose; to help launder (for lack of a better word) grant money into the hands of Ayer's contemporaries in the far left extreme of Chicago's Marxist/Communist education community, such as the $175,000 funneled to Klonsky.
Ayers, Klonsky, and other radicals decided long ago that they cannot win with pipe bombs, and decided to continue their war against America by
indoctrinating children via the application of Marxist educational theory. Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Mike Klonsky, and other radicals of the 1960s never gave up their attempts to undermine America.
They just went underground, until they had a suitably pliable champion to be their figurehead, and that champion, Barack Obama, would rather that relationship remain hidden.
Update: I contacted Professor Diamond via email to follow-up, and he is disputing substantial parts of what Batchelor attributes to him in the
Human Events article, and I confused something Batchelor claimed and misreported it as Diamond's statement.
First, the mis-attribution I made.
Professor Diamond states that the does not have contacts in the Democratic Party, and he's right; it was Batchelor that claimed he had party sources. Diamond emphasises that based upon what he knows, there is "no basis to conclude... that Axelrod or anyone else from the campaign is involved" if such an effort is underway, and he did not hit any sort of a wall of Obama supporters, which was my attempt to describe the role of poltical plumbers as a barrier.
He further wants to clarify that he doesn't think anyone associated with Joe Biden would have anything to do with any CAC coverup attempt that may be underway, and he does not know if Obama's plumbers exist in fact. If they do, it doesn't seem they &qout;are committed to breaking the law" if necessary, as Nixon's were.
Everything else related to the
Human Events article must stand or fall based upon John Batchelor's sources and claims.
And Barack Obama and Bill Ayers have a $150 million failure to explain.
Update: A closely related story of Obama using the Woods Fund to
advance his career at
Pajamas Media.
Oh, what a tangled web...
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Bob:
Has Stanley Kurtz reported on his research of the records, yet? Has he given any indication as to what those records indicate or when we might get his take on the matter?
Posted by: GulfCoastBamaFan at September 12, 2008 02:57 PM (ykqBW)
Posted by: ER at September 12, 2008 04:58 PM (C9+q9)
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Sometimes there really is a conspiracy and this is one of those times.
Posted by: Shoprat at September 12, 2008 05:30 PM (NlICC)
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CY:
First off, fantastic site.
RE:Annenberg and the ship that could not be sunk (see Bismark). This formerly laughable affair will not be so in about forty five days.
Geraldo(aka, the al capone cellar kid shudda been on this very, very, serious situation long ago.)
It is up to the likes of you on the internet to truth out, as journalism is hiding in Siberia before being shipped out
to the Smithsonian.
Sincerely,
AC Halle
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“So, when American workers hear John McCain talking about putting ‘Country First,’” Obama said, “it’s fair to ask –- which country?”
Breathless coming from "The One"
Posted by: Neo at September 13, 2008 08:16 AM (Yozw9)
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This information needs to be spread far and wide. There are millions of people who have no idea who Obama is. They think they know who he says he is but as this article demonstrates, he is not what he appears. I predict if this man is elected there will be violent revolution.
Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at September 13, 2008 08:41 PM (a6wVH)
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Rule for Success in Life #12:
Avoid like the plague, anyone who, when given the following choice, chooses option "A:"
You have a choice between two people as friends and political/business associates:
(A) A terrorist murderer who escaped imprisonment on a technicality, believes that he did not kill enough, has been recently photographed dancing on an American flag, and is married to a fellow terrorist who believes that the Manson family, in plunging kitchen implements into the flesh of helpless victims begging for their lives, is the epitome of cool.
(B) A mother of five, the governor of a major American state, a former star athlete, intelligent, engaging, hard working, and unafraid to take on her own political establishment when it was corrupt.
Posted by: Mike at September 13, 2008 11:33 PM (Ftgjp)
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"Diamond emphasises that based upon what he knows, there is "no basis to conclude ... that Axelrod or anyone else from the campaign is involved."
Though you are obligated to print the above statement, it's lawyer-speak for, "You bet your freakin' ass we're hiding something!"
Based upon, what I know, no basis to conclude, anyone from the campaign, "is" involved. Lawyer-speak to the core.
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Naomi Wolf: Still Dumb as a Stump
On Fox News Live Desk discussing Sarah Palin's interview with Charlie Gibson, Wolf claimed that Palin "falsely linked al Qaeda to 9/11."
Uh-huh.
Drugs are bad, kids.
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I emailed FOX News and asked them if for my birthday, they could go a whole day without having a liberal on the station.
I justified it by telling them that if I want a liberal viewpoint, I could tune in to any of a dozen other channels that feature nothing but.
Naomi is as dumb as a stump. What bothered me the most about that, was the FOX anchor didn't immediately call her on it for the horse-crap it was.
Now I understand why Elvis shot so many of his televisions.
Posted by: Conservative CBU at September 12, 2008 01:33 PM (M+Vfm)
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Ah, Naomi should have stuck to Earth-toned Fashions, Ltd.
However, on behalf of the TSADL (Tree Stump Anti-Defamation League), I must object most strenuously to the blatant speciesism inherent in the phrase, "dumb as a stump."
Why, any rotting, termite-infested, elk urine-soaked tree stump in the forest is brighter than Ms. Wolf.
You'll be hearing from our attorneys on this . . .
Posted by: Adjoran at September 12, 2008 03:23 PM (HScVe)
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After she helped beclown Gore in 2000 ("alpha male" my foot), you'd think the Dems and the media wouldn't let Wolf anywhere near a microphone.
The fact that this woman is still taken seriously by the MSM shows she's not the only one who is as dumb as a stump.
Posted by: Donna at September 13, 2008 09:08 AM (6tq9R)
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Could be she just "came out" as a Troofer...after all, those nuts think someone other than al-Qaeda was responsible for 9/11.
It's also possible that she's just dumb as a post, but the same could be said of most Troofers.
Posted by: salfter at September 13, 2008 03:57 PM (YnvZB)
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And she threw in the dreaded "Halliburton" meme too
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WaPo Reporter Distorts Palin Deployment Speech
The willingness of the press to lie to undercut Sarah Palin is really getting obscene:
Gov. Sarah Palin linked the war in Iraq with the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, telling an Iraq-bound brigade of soldiers that included her son that they would "defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans."
The idea that the Iraqi government under Saddam Hussein helped al-Qaeda plan the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, a view once promoted by Bush administration officials, has since been rejected even by the president himself. But it is widely agreed that militants allied with al-Qaeda have taken root in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion.
Anne E. Kornblut, just
stop.
Unless Kornblut buried the lede, Palin said precisely
nothing about Saddam Hussein or his government at all or any roll they may have had in 9/11. Kornblut simply made that up, because she
wanted Palin to say that.
When Palin referenced "...the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans," is was an obvious reference to al Qaeda in Iraq, an offshoot of the parent al Qaeda organization that plotted and executed the 9/11 attacks, and while still funds and loosely controls the failing Iraqi branch.
And the parent organization is
not happy with the branch office:
Al Qaeda's senior leadership has lost confidence in its commander in Iraq and views the situation in the country as dire, according to a series of letters intercepted by Multinational Forces Iraq earlier this year.
The letters, which have been sent exclusively to The Long War Journal by Multinational Forces Iraq, are a series of communications between Ayman al Zawahiri, al Qaeda's second in command, Abu Ayyub al Masri, al Qaeda in Iraq's leader, and Abu Omar al Baghdadi, the leader of al Qaeda's Islamic State of Iraq. These letters were intercepted by Coalition forces in Baghdad on April 24, 2008. One of the letters written by Zawahiri is dated March 6, 2008.
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"The letters confirmed our assessment that Al Qaeda has suffered significant damage and serious reverses in Iraq, including widespread rejection of [al Qaeda in Iraq's] indiscriminate violence, extremist ideology, and oppressive practices," General David Petraeus, the Commander of Multinational Forces Iraq told The Long War Journal. "Even Zawahiri recognized that [al Qaeda in Iraq] has lost credibility in Iraq."
Sarah Palin was obviously addressing the living al Qaeda terrorists that soldiers would face in Iraq, no the ghosts of a regime long dead. How biased or simply dishonest does a reporter have to be to twist that?
Here's a novel concept: why don't reporters limit themselves to reporting
facts.
Or is that simply too much to ask for a media more interested in selecting a President than electing one?
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Posted by: Assistant Village Idiot at September 12, 2008 07:10 AM (FZP+j)
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The story doesn't even make any sense, because obviously her son isn't going to fight Saddam's government, which is long out of power, and Saddam himself of course is dead.
Posted by: David Bernstein at September 12, 2008 07:19 AM (pRr/h)
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Reporters write what will sell, not what is true. It's a business, not a public service organization.
Look to the audience, not the reporter, as a ridicule target.
Public service is just the media's promotion package, and like any other press release.
Posted by: Ron Hardin at September 12, 2008 07:29 AM (o5u9E)
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"Reporters write what will sell, not what is true. It's a business, not a public service organization."
Except that the public is not purchasing what the MSM is selling as evidenced by falling revenues. If the media wants people to purchase their product, they should report the facts straight.
Posted by: PaulD at September 12, 2008 07:43 AM (eoDj6)
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Now it appears that Palin isn't just a problem for Obama.
By the way, I think you misspelled the writers name with an extra "l".
Posted by: Neo at September 12, 2008 07:52 AM (Yozw9)
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"Reporters write what will sell, not what is true. It's a business, not a public service organization."
In that case, let's stop treating news operations as if they were PSOs. That is, take away certain privileges and (whatever is left of) the respect they currently enjoy, above those provided by the first amendment: shield laws, extreme latitude concerning libel, their semi-official status as the 'fourth estate' and the 'watchdog of government'.
Nope, just another eeeeeevil capitalist exploiter of the proletariat...ya think International ANSWER and MoveOn could be counted on to pick up that line?
Posted by: Bob at September 12, 2008 07:54 AM (OT/oC)
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"Because the press is in a persistent vegetative state." Ms Kornblut is another example of a main stream moron who thinks the readership is too dumb to discover the truth. This pervasive attitude continues to drive readers and viewers away -- faster, please!
Posted by: DoneThat2 at September 12, 2008 08:01 AM (Zh0Q8)
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"The idea that the Iraqi government under Saddam Hussein helped al-Qaeda plan the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon..."
The Bush admin never promoted this idea.
Posted by: ben at September 12, 2008 08:13 AM (3/zbG)
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Slamming Palin has not worked so well for the Obama campaign, yet there are those who repeat their mistake and hope for different results.
Could the Clintons be having anything to do with it?
Posted by: Ralph Thayer at September 12, 2008 08:24 AM (sY8Ye)
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Q: Here's a novel concept: why don't reporters limit themselves to reporting facts ?
A. That changed with Watergate. Because of Watergate, reporters now want to Make A Difference.
So it goes.
Posted by: Alan Cole at September 12, 2008 08:35 AM (3+JPb)
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Any chance we in Virginia can have a "do over" on the George Allen/Jim Webb election now?
Posted by: Walter Smith at September 12, 2008 09:09 AM (j1+1a)
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BUT...if we don't elect Sen Obama, the Euros will be extremely disappointed. Can you blame the media for trying to prevent such a horror?
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In addition, those same insurgents in Iraq have killed thousands of American Soldiers who are there trying to bring security and stability to the people of Iraq in accordance with a UN Security Council Resolution and the request of a democratically elected Iraqi regime.
Posted by: brian at September 12, 2008 09:35 AM (EmhmU)
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"Ms Kornblut ... thinks the readership is too dumb to discover the truth."
I strongly suspect that Ms Kornblut thinks what she wrote *is* the truth. It's the echo chamber effect.
Posted by: Paul at September 12, 2008 09:43 AM (sUwaY)
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The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - Web Reconnaissance for 09/12/2008 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.
Posted by: David m at September 12, 2008 10:25 AM (gIAM9)
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The real people have long distrusted, if not hated the moron media and more so with each anti-American column they publish. One the other hand, those same people love Sarah Palin so the more the media tries to smear her, the more staunch our support. So I'll just say, keep it up!
Posted by: kiwikit at September 12, 2008 10:45 AM (IaXQt)
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When I first heard about this I thought, well, maybe her statement was abmiguous in some way. Not.Even.Close. It could not possibly be more clear what Palin was refering to and that Anne Kornblut is lying.
Posted by: Cory at September 12, 2008 11:15 AM (G9pjY)
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Palin never distinguished who she was talking about in her quote, so you can't assume she was talking about Al Qaeda in Iraq. You assumed that Obama was talking about Palin in his lipstick comment. It seems like there is alot of ASSuming going on with Republicans these days.
Posted by: mj at September 12, 2008 12:21 PM (wNdxG)
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Gimme a break, you have to be 14 kinds of stupid to think that she was talking about Saddam, and not AQ in Iraq.
Of course, looking at who it is that's making that claim, it's no surprise the moonbats are attempting to make that case.
Hypocrite much?
Posted by: Conservative CBU at September 12, 2008 01:38 PM (M+Vfm)
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mj--
She would have spelled it all out for you, but she thought you were smarter than that.
Guess not.
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Paul replied: "I strongly suspect that Ms Kornblut thinks what she wrote *is* the truth."
That's it in a nutshell. And if anyone tried to correct her she would defend her belief.
Saying there's some kind of conspiracy to fool people with outright lies implies the conspirators are capable of recognizing the truth in the first place.
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Gibson Blows the Exclusive
You would think that a nationally-recognized news anchor who landed the most coveted interview of the 2008 elections would have done his research to be fully prepared, so that when the interview aired, he wouldn't look like a fumbling, pretentious ass.
And then there's Charlie Gibson of ABC News, a journalist I respected until just hours ago.
Given the opportunity to interview Alaska Governor and Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin—and some would argue, given the responsibility to be both thorough and fair—Gibson
attempted to trap Palin with a question designed to portray her as a religious fundementalist:
GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God." Are we fighting a holy war?
PALIN: You know, I don't know if that was my exact quote.
GIBSON: Exact words.
PALIN: But the reference there is a repeat of Abraham Lincoln's words when he said -- first, he suggested never presume to know what God's will is, and I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words.
But what Abraham Lincoln had said, and that's a repeat in my comments, was let us not pray that God is on our side in a war or any other time, but let us pray that we are on God's side.
That's what that comment was all about, Charlie.
But Gibson's "quote" of Palin's "exact words" was anything but an exact quote; the statement Gibson attributed to Palin was for all intents and purposes
fiction, real sentences ripped apart and rearranged to mean exactly what
journalists wanted them to mean.
Here is what
Palin really said:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That’s what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."
The words in bold are those
journalists simply removed from their report, in order to try to cast Palin as a religious extremist.
They tried turning a servant's simple prayer asking God for guidance, into the raving of a false prophet telling the congregation that she knows the mind of God.
Journalists doctored the quote so that this manufactured Palin would scare American voters.
Nice work trying to set a trap, Charlie.
And great work
doctoring the original quote, Gene Johnson of the Associated Press.
I'm sure you've both made your bosses proud.
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Shocking, and by that I mean par for the course
Posted by: toby928 at September 11, 2008 09:43 PM (PD1tk)
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Why anyone would expect a member of the MSM to give a fair interview is beyond me. They've proven time and time again they are incapable of performing an interview with a conservative without their liberal bias spilling over.
Charlie Gibson may have put a nail in the coffin of the MSM after this particular hatchetjob. But, that coffin was already 99% complete anyway.
I don't get upset at this stuff anymore, small people like Gibson aren't worth my anger.
I save that for people that fly airplanes into buildings.
Posted by: Conservative CBU at September 11, 2008 09:45 PM (M+Vfm)
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Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," "That’s what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."
She's a right-wing religious nut that belongs to a church that preaches the Book of Revelation.
God help us all.
Posted by: David at September 11, 2008 09:53 PM (UEoYe)
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She's also leaving open a war with Russia.
Why don't you include in your post that:
Wasilla Assembly of God
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Denomination Assemblies of God (Pentecostal)
Founded 1951
Founder(s) Paul Riley
Senior Pastor(s) Ed Kalnins
Pastor(s) Scott Phillips (Assistant)
Todd Stafford (Assistant)
Nathan Lopez (Youth)
Contact particulars
Address 125 West Riley Ave
Wasilla, Alaska 99654
Country United States
Website http://www.wasillaag.org/
According to the Wall Street Journal, congregants "speak in tongues and are part of a faith that believes humanity is in its 'end times' -- the days preceding a world-ending cataclysm bringing Christian redemption and the second coming of Jesus."[2]
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She's a nutter, BIG TIME
Posted by: David at September 11, 2008 10:02 PM (UEoYe)
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Dave, you do realize of course that those exact same words she spoke on the prayer that our national leaders were on the side of God, were also spoken by Lincoln, JFK, and Reagan right?
All right wing nutters as well huh.
The level of insanity brought about by McCain picking Sarah Palin as his VP, is telling.
Posted by: Conservative CBU at September 11, 2008 10:07 PM (M+Vfm)
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The far left is cracking and it's getting quite ugly. Dave and his ilk have a serious case of PDS - and it's not Michelle Malkin saying it. Nope - not at all, it's Big Tent Democrat at Talk Left. Oh and for added measure it's also Taylor Marsh; she's giving Gov. Palin credit for the interview.
Here are links:
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=28388
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/9/11/20922/5391
Posted by: chez diva at September 11, 2008 10:24 PM (I3Ohq)
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"..a world-ending cataclysm bringing Christian redemption and the second coming of Jesus."
What part of that are you people having trouble understanding?
That's from the WSJ, not some librul rag.
They preach the Book of Revelation, and she's a believer.
Please ask yourself...is that someone you trust to have access to nuclear launch codes?
Seriously, she could end it all for Jesus.
Posted by: David at September 11, 2008 10:36 PM (UEoYe)
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Those crazy Christians. I think we could solve all these problems if we could just ID the religious ones better. Maybe make em have arm bands or some such.
/sarc off
Posted by: Gary at September 11, 2008 10:41 PM (6LOA/)
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Gary "armbands" what a truly dickish thing to say.
My dad fought in WWII, you jerk.
You friendly folks have no problem with a VP pick that goes to a church that preaches the Book of Revelation?
"..a world-ending cataclysm bringing Christian redemption and the second coming of Jesus."
And she's a life long member.
So your good giving her nuclear launch codes?
Do some due diligence on her church.
Posted by: David at September 11, 2008 10:50 PM (UEoYe)
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Well elect Obama and you can run out and buy a
Koran,that make you happy dave.Or is it strong
women make your man hood shrink!!! Obama 08,
Osama 09!!!
Posted by: Gator at September 11, 2008 10:52 PM (uaTZE)
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She left the Assembly of God church in 2002 and now attends a nondenominational church.
Posted by: Sara at September 11, 2008 10:54 PM (Wi/N0)
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You friendly folks have no problem with a VP pick that goes to a church that preaches the Book of Revelation?
What Christian Bible does not contain the Book of Revelations? Every Christian church teaches the Bible, including all the Books of the New Testament.
Posted by: Sara at September 11, 2008 10:58 PM (Wi/N0)
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"Due Dilligence?"
David, have you ever been to a church? All Christian churches preach the Bible, not just the Cliff's Notes version, and Revelations is part of the Bible. Palin is no more or less a "nutter" for that than any other Christian, or any president prior to her.
Also, FWIW, she hasn't gone she hasn't gone to this church in years.
Get your facts (and your meds) correct, and perhaps people won't read what you write and roll their eyes at the ignorance and intolerance.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at September 11, 2008 11:02 PM (HcgFD)
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Abe Lincoln was agnostic. He attended no church and like Sam Clemens kept his distance. Still, he understood the verities of the Judeao-christian tradition and no politician in our history was better illuminating such. The primal sin is the presumption of the knowledge of God, the presumption of the knowledge of good and evil. We can only hope we're on God's side.
Posted by: i b squidly at September 11, 2008 11:27 PM (KXZyh)
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Congratulations Gary, that really pissed me off.
I learned that Hitler, the guy that gassed queers, and make Jews wear armbands before execution was a right-wing fascist, how about you?
I just don't get how if someone is kind to animals, treasures the earth and want's civil rights for humans is considered a disgusting liberal.
I can't see you people evolving past your current knuckle-dragging stage.
Better get yer fascist on quick guys!
Posted by: David at September 11, 2008 11:31 PM (UEoYe)
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[I learned that Hitler, the guy that gassed queers, and make Jews wear armbands before execution was a right-wing fascist, how about you?]
David, everyone knows that Hitler and all other fascists were/are left wing: http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0385511841
Posted by: tod at September 11, 2008 11:48 PM (SkcHs)
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I see the DUmmies have this monitored and are out in force.
Just so you know - ABC has further edited the Palin interview to remove the "Exact Words" sneer, and SP's challenging being misquoted. This leaves his original statement unchallenged.
Not to mention a few other little fine twists they did - ABC is twisting this up and selectively editing it to make it appear worse for Sarah, on an hourly basis, then posting the results on Yahoo.
ABC isn't even trying to pretend anymore. I'd like to see her withdraw permission for them to broadcast anything else.
Posted by: Jinny at September 11, 2008 11:58 PM (/lDn+)
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David - "So your good giving her nuclear launch codes?
Do some due diligence on her church."
Her church preaches a loving creator, and like every true Christian church - it teaches Revelations. I'm sure your sad to hear that 99% do NOT teach fantastic conspiracy theories about the United States government (or the government of AmeriKKKa if you prefer) inventing Aids to kill off the black population, nor do 99% of churches break commandments in church (even to G_dd__n AmeriKKKa!), and nor do 99% preach and teach hatred of any peoples based on the color of their skin. The democratic candidate for president truly is a one percenter.
As for your question, I'd certainly trust someone (with the nuclear codes) who believed in a judgment to come... over some person who believed in fairy tales like millions of minerals collecting on some crystal which happened to get struck by lightening - and wallah - the universes first one celled organism. A person of the latter persuasion who can state unequivocally that God doesn't exist based on a harebrained theory like that, is a true nutter - capable of anything.
Posted by: twgyer at September 12, 2008 12:57 AM (T2Bls)
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Davey,
I'm sorry why is her religion a concern? The "O" spent two decades in front of a racist, america-hating, anti-semite of a "pastor" but that my dear lefties is off limits? Oh, the "O" wasn't really going there for his soul - he was going there for his career. Much better! Wait til you get to the part where the "O" slept with the incredibly corrupt Dim establishment in my state of Illinois to further his own ambitions while Palin FOUGHT her own corrupt party in Alaska. Think about that, if you can. Take McCain/Palin to the people and not to the dying, nearly comatose lamestream media. Get the message out!
Posted by: zeke at September 12, 2008 01:14 AM (mMbfa)
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Exact words? Well, except for the exact words Mr. Gibson (and the rest of the press) decided to leave out.
Posted by: Patrick Chester at September 12, 2008 02:41 AM (zl17B)
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You know, a devoted Christian is probably less likely to drop the bomb in a kamikaze way. Christianity does not teach that death in a holy war brings salvation. (While there are a number of wars in the Bible which God condones, there are not references to martryrdom in battle) Instead, the dead are judged by their deeds. Murdering millions in cold blood is going to count against you for all eternity.
David - you may not believe in an afterlife. Someone like Sarah Palin believes that doing horrible crimes on this world, even if you are never caught, will lead to eternal suffering. In other words, she has a lot more to lose than her life. Puts a different spin on it, doesn't it?
Posted by: OmegaPaladin at September 12, 2008 06:15 AM (IWZML)
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Hmmmm
@ David
"I learned that Hitler, the guy that gassed queers, and make Jews wear armbands before execution was a right-wing fascist, how about you?"
You complete ignorant imbecile.
Hitler was a LEFT-WING facist.
National Socialist Workers Party = NAZI
***Socialist*** Got that?
Idiot.
Posted by: memomachine at September 12, 2008 08:24 AM (f4Zt4)
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Headline should be: "Gibson Blows, ABC Sucks".
All Barack Channel. Any ??
Posted by: twolaneflash at September 12, 2008 12:22 PM (05dZx)
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Face it folks, David is dreaming of a love affair with the phony Messiah and nothing will change his mind. His rewrite of history and the bible has been the drive of the left, including Hitler, for a long time.
It is better to live like there is a god, die, and find out there isn't than to live like there is no god, die, and find out there is.
Let David take his chances. His life will end like he lives, unhappy and without meaning. Just hope he has been neutered.
Posted by: Scrapiron at September 12, 2008 09:26 PM (GAf+S)
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David - Jews were persecuted under the Nazis because they were viewed as being rich. The rhetoric used against them was that they had aquired more than their fair share of society's assets. Remind you of antone?
Hint - Replace the word 'Rich' with 'Jew' in any given Obama or Democrat slogan.
The 'rich' don't pay their fair share!
I'll tax the 'rich' to provide the benefits to you!
Posted by: Have Blue at September 14, 2008 11:34 AM (WuPk/)
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If he hadn't used a quote taken out of context to suggest an answer he was likely digging for, the question, while inane, could have been a fair one.
"Do you think we are waging a holy war on Iraq?"
It could have gone any number of ways, but he screwed it up. To be fair, Gibson and the like rely on the work of others, and if he was given just that part of the quote then he was just being sensationalist, not dishonest.
And, of course, Palin's gonna hafta deal with this type of questioning for at least the next four years. She'd better improve on that a bit.
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Thank you, Joe Klein
If it wasn't for you, I would not have realized that the easily-fooled, knuckle-dragging rubes that I call my neighbors are delusional morons, that the small towns I've lived in and around for most of my life are nothing more than bland and unimportant suburbs, and that the farmers I know are just corporate shills. Further, I would not know that all of us are part of a mythical America that is subservient and somewhat less important that the magnificence of that metropolis you call home, and of far less importance than the power and majesty of The One.
Amen.
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Reading this makes me wonder if Joe has ever actually lived outside his concrete dominated world, where things grow and people live.
I kind of doubt it, given his assertion that my entire life is nothing more than a myth...
Posted by: Conservative CBU at September 11, 2008 02:00 PM (M+Vfm)
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It may not be where the numbers are, but it is where our country's heart and soul lie.
Posted by: Shoprat at September 11, 2008 02:03 PM (AQEob)
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Joe seems to have missed that most of the folks in the battleground states do live in those small towns and suburbs.
And Joe don't expect another apology from John McCain or an invite to the White House. It's one thing to have your doubts, but it's something else entirely to act like a rude bastard doing it.
Posted by: Neo at September 11, 2008 02:05 PM (Yozw9)
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In the words of Bugs Bunny, "Joe Klein....what a maroon".
Posted by: Increase Mather at September 11, 2008 03:17 PM (gpcsn)
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Sent to Time an email requesting that they ask Mr Joe Klein what he is smoking as he is certainly not in the same world that the rest of us live in. HeH! I will bet that he says the same 'drek' about his fellow city dwellers when he is alone with his fellow 'elite' peers. Obama did just that and got caught at it once...........
Posted by: Gene at September 11, 2008 03:32 PM (wiFWk)
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The Easily-Fooled Knuckle-Dragging Rubes Liberation Front announces that to open our campaign against our oppressors we are going to leave a flaming bag of dog duty at Joe Klein's front door, ring the doorbell and run away.
Posted by: EFKDRLF at September 11, 2008 03:50 PM (SeBzj)
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Why are you so offended at what Joe Klein is saying? There is a lot of truth in what he said. You have to admit that there the Republicans are romanticizing the idea of living in a small town.
A lot of small towns are facing hard times as more and more people leave them for other places. Small towns have a lot to offer and I've enjoyed the years I've spent in them, but you have to realize that small towns are not what American is anymore.
80% of the population is living in cities and suburbs and probably have never lived in a small town. Time have changed (and I wish they didn't) but we have to face the facts.
It's not true that most people in battleground states live in small towns either. Klein isn't casting aspersions on anyone who lives in small town, he's just stating facts.
Posted by: mj at September 11, 2008 03:52 PM (bIZLx)
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Heh. As someone who moved from a small town (Leavenworth, KS) to 80 acres in the out and beyond, I just wanna know this: WHEN DO I GET MY BIG CORPORATE SHILL CHECK?
Heh. I've been giving SWWBO money like it was water going over the falls (there's a little one where the creek in the back tumbles over the edge of the hanging valley into the big creek...) to get her chicken/goat/truck farm established.
All I've got are schedule F deductions which so far exceed the income to show for it thus far!
Fun, though. Beats living in a small town. Really beats living in anything bigger than a small town.
Posted by: John of Argghhh! at September 11, 2008 04:01 PM (HgYAW)
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Joe Kline is out pushing his new book, he is going to save the environment one small town at a time, yeah sure. I was born
and raised in California many years ago and have seen it go
In the tank!!! I traded it for small town Idaho and have never looked back, Joe!!
Posted by: Gator at September 11, 2008 04:50 PM (uaTZE)
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The bigotry and prejudice on the left is not surprising anymore
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at September 11, 2008 06:48 PM (kNqJV)
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mj and Joe Klein wouldn't know a small town if it bit them on the ass. Posting right now from a town of less than 1,000 in southwest Iowa, over an hour from the closest metro (Omaha), I'm wishing that all these idealistic liberals would just go practice their disfunctional medicine on themselves and leave the rest of us alone. Your groceries depend on it.
Corporate farming, wtf? Many of my best friends are row crop farmers and we grow a high density organic crop used for food additives. Nobody is corporate owned. One of my friends farms nearly 10,000 acres of beans and corn, yet it's a fourth-generation family operation. And while we're on the topic, not all of us receive subsidies. In fact, I was pleased to piss off our local farm agency by yanking our land out of CRP and letting it stay idle until I was ready to use it. No farm welfare!
Some small towns are struggling, but an equal amount here are growing. Some people figured out that the suburban real estate boom was an unsustainable bubble and moved out instead of paying inflated prices. The result? A more enjoyable lifestyle in a community where you actually belong, not a housing development with a Wal-Mart and convenience store as your neighbors.
Don't get me wrong - we still have our issues with irresponsible people, but at least here, we don't have to go through endless government red tape to fix things. I sure hope to see the mainstream media die soon. It's become nothing more than an endless source of fiction for the lazy progressives to absorb.
Posted by: redherkey at September 11, 2008 07:04 PM (kjqFg)
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"mj and Joe Klein wouldn't know a small town if it bit them on the ass"
Thanks for assuming you know me, but I have actually lived in a small town. I liked living in small town but I'm not going to romanticize it.
"Corporate farming, wtf? Many of my best friends are row crop farmers and we grow a high density organic crop used for food additives."
Well clearly since you and your friends aren't corporate farmers, then it must not be true.
"In fact, I was pleased to piss off our local farm agency by yanking our land out of CRP and letting it stay idle until I was ready to use it. No farm welfare!"
Congratulations on your modesty. I wish all farmers were as humble as you are. You'll also be getting a medal from the Republican Party in their appreciation of your hatred of big government
Posted by: mj at September 11, 2008 07:38 PM (bIZLx)
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MJ,
Understand how corporate farming works. Where I live we all grow chickens for Tyson or Pilgrams pride (Con Agra). They do not own the farm (land is expensive), the houses (even more expensive) or any of the liability. They sell us the chickens, we grow them with feed they sell us on our own farm. At some time, they come out and catch them an pay us a set price for the chickens. The point of all this is Tyson and Pilgrams Pride do not own farms. Its expensive and has a lot of risk. Farmers own farms. Tyson, Monsanto, Con Agra, Pigrams Pride sub contract their "growing operations" to farmers then buy and process the results.
Posted by: Greg at September 11, 2008 08:56 PM (HIC1k)
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Remember back in 1992, Bill Clinton ran as the "Man from Hope." A small town boy proving that "anyone can grow up to be President."
What was once a positive for democrats is now a reason to attack.
If Sarah Palin was from a big city, the democrats would be attacking her for that and stressing BO's "Kansas values."
Posted by: Mark at September 12, 2008 03:11 PM (ds6m6)
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Mark replied: "If Sarah Palin was from a big city, the democrats would be attacking her for that and stressing BO's 'Kansas values.'"
Damn, I had something to add but the truth of that statement makes everything sorta pointless.
Well, someone said small towns have problems donchaknow, and I'll be damned if I can think of a big city that doesn't have any problems, so ... what was the point?
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This Day
Many of my fellow bloggers are posting tributes to those who fell on 9/11, or recollections of a sort — mine is closest to Ace's, if you care — but I can't form anything of which I'm proud.
I hate to say it, but can't be sure I clearly recall 9/11 anymore, and in fact, I'm pretty sure I don't.
I remember flashes of details, but what I archived of that September morning were little more than a swirl of naked unformed emotions I've never been able to articulate and I know I never will, and I know the memories of that day were rewritten and rewritten again in my mind in the days that followed.
One thing I recall with perfect certainty, without reservation. How unbelievably, beautifully crisp and blue the sky was that morning in the Hudson Valley after it all happened.
I lived in a little town on a bluff overlooking the Hudson River at the time called New Windsor.
In the days and weeks that followed, as the rest of the country was coming to grips with the magnitude of the total loss, we were watching funerals of our neighbors in the surrounding small towns, and hearing the survival stories of others. Again, I don't trust the memories and can't channel the emotions, and I won't cheapen the memories of those lost with what I do recall with forced sentimentality.
Those of you who lost someone that day or part of yourself, you have my sincere condolences. For my neighbor across the street, the NYPD cop that aged years in the months that followed, I'm sorry I could not take on part of your burden.
For the rest, I simply have nothing worth saying.
Sorry.
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Posted by: Mark at September 11, 2008 10:16 AM (4od5C)
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Nicely stated.
I'm sure other bloggers are all over this, but I couldn't help but notice that google took the time to come up with a special logo commemorating the testing of the Hadron Collider yesterday, but couldn't be bothered to do the same for the anniversary of 9/11. Real classy.
Like you, the google PR folks will say that they don't want to cheapen the memories of that terrible day, but unlike you, they won't mean it.
Posted by: Zeus at September 11, 2008 11:16 AM (DIJl1)
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9/11/2001 was a strange day for me. A friend I'd only known for a few days called and I was still asleep when I heard this frantic voice on the phone saying, "turn on your TV!" I did just as the 2nd plane hit. I admit that at first I thought it was a trailer for some disaster movie. A few minutes later my friend called back asking if he could come over, he "couldn't watch it alone." I thought he was making an excuse, but I said okay. I still felt nothing. It was like that all day long.
I had been going through a family crisis where my Mom had a stroke and the doctors were telling me it was touch and go, emotionally I had nothing left for the disaster. So I watched in a detached way, not allowing any emotion to creep in. I had no emotion left to give for the horror of the day.
It wasn't until the following day that it hit me. When I saw the full replay of both planes, the fall of the towers, the devastation, the people and their reactions, it finally all hit me. My grown kids were so obviously shaken and really having a hard time absorbing what had happened. I liken it to how I felt as a freshman in college when the word came that the President had been assassinated. Their world had turned upside down in the same way mine had been so many years earlier. When I finally looked to see what they were doing, I found them outside putting up every flag we owned, every piece of bunting, and making homemade signs to put in the windows.
When I realized that Flight 93 that went down in that Shanksville field had crashed very near a small cemetery where some of my early ancestors are buried, I finally lost it. Suddenly it wasn't a movie, it wasn't something that happened 3000 miles away, it was real, it was close to home, and I realized it was all of us, and that everything would be different.
I prayed for those whose lives were lost, I prayed for America, and most of all I prayed for President Bush.
Posted by: Sara at September 11, 2008 12:07 PM (Wi/N0)
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It was surreal but I remember it all too clearly.
Posted by: Shoprat at September 11, 2008 02:02 PM (AQEob)
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One of my graduate's, Marjorie Champion Salamone, BS and MS Auburn, office was where the criminals initially struck. They found part of the landing gear there and identified her from her dental records.
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Glass Houses
Sure, I can understand Fox News wanting to laugh at CNN for not being able to spot a Photoshopped picture of Sarah Palin's head on another woman's gun-toting, bikini clad body as a fake...
...but if they are going to mock the incompetence of other news organizations for not spotting a obvious fake, then should we let Fox off the hook for letting the description of the weapon she is holding as an "AK-47" stand, when it is
decidedly not?
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They didn't even have a decent enough picture to use when they did the 'hack n slash' photoshop bit... It's either a Crossman or Daisy Air Rifle for God's Sake... At least use a picture that (besides being off a ultra-skaggy trailer park dweller) has someone holding a REAL weapon... I mean c'mon people!
Posted by: Big Country at September 10, 2008 04:56 PM (niydV)
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Are there any journalists that know anything except the contents of their own opinions and the slop they swallowed in grad school? So many people in the media seem unacqainted with the physical world and the things in it.
Posted by: Zhombre at September 10, 2008 05:36 PM (SeBzj)
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A Kalashnikov air rifle?
Posted by: ccoffer at September 10, 2008 07:04 PM (bnxuH)
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I just KNOW that weapon takes "square-backed rounds".
Yours Truly,
Scott Beauchamp
Posted by: Jack Coonan at September 10, 2008 07:36 PM (VrC8E)
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Another photoshopped picture of her, that is showing up in a few places, alongside the original unretouched picture.
http://gluxian.blogspot.com/2008/08/so-many-rumors.html
Posted by: Shoprat at September 10, 2008 08:22 PM (av7jv)
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Most of the Guardians of First Amendment Press Freedoms wouldn't be able to distinguish an AK47 from an air rifle.
Posted by: Zhombre at September 10, 2008 08:52 PM (SeBzj)
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Geez oh Pete! The libtard whackjobs have outdone themselves again. Ain't none of these city boys got a lick o' sense huh? Can't even tell the diff between a airgun and a fire arm. And the fake wasn't investigated? Something wrong there too. The media is getting caught in too many lies. Think anybody but people that watch FOX know anything about that? Doubt it. The libs don't EVER admit to "mistakes".
Posted by: Tonto (USA) at September 10, 2008 08:54 PM (Qv1xF)
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Your current antivirus solution is not protecting you
against Spyware and Adware. Get real protection!
http://www.go4soft.net
Posted by: WinAntiSpyware at September 10, 2008 11:33 PM (Klifu)
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Heh, I emailed you about this little "error" a few days ago when the pic was linked at Pajamasmedia and I couldn't leave a comment. Yep, it's a 13 pump (max).177cal AK-47..very very rare...collectors item for sure.
Posted by: markm at September 11, 2008 10:15 AM (hVOTO)
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These nit-wits are fussing about Saracuda not killing her Down's baby and yet they *think* they are fooling people with a b-b gun?! Whose really "handicapped"(morally and mentally)?
Posted by: J David at September 11, 2008 12:54 PM (0HTwQ)
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A BB gun is about all the firepower the <strike> mainstream </strike> media has anymore.
Posted by: McGehee at September 11, 2008 04:19 PM (K13Au)
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I'll Ignore Media Requests, So Please Charge Me with Murder
I'm not going to link Andrew Sullivan nor The Atlantic, the magazine that continues to destroy their reputation by paying him a salary for unmitigated hate, but it is amusing, in an Amy Winehouse kind of way, as he allows his naked (and please, let it be only figurative) adoration of Barack Obama to combine with his irrational hatred of Sarah Palin to produce gemstone-quality insanity.
His latest?
In response to Sarah Palin's rather rational decision to not take questions from the same media that savaged her and her family for days after she was announced as John McCains running mate, Sullivan take umbrage with a primal squeak.
If you want to know what it's like to live in Putin's Russia, the Republican party is giving you a good taste. This is the most appalling dereliction of duty by the press that I have ever seen in my adult life. If they had any integrity, they would stop covering her at all under these conditions. We're now well into the second week in which someone who could be president of the United States next January has not been available to the press.
Why, it's a perfect metaphor, isn't it?
Freezing out those who attacked her and her family with a string of false rumors and innuendo (many of which can be traced directly to Sullivan itself) until she has a no-questions-barred interview with a talented journalist is
exactly the same thing as journalists critical of Putin continuing to
wind up dead!
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Master of Projection: Andrew Sullivan
Posted by: w3bgrrl at September 10, 2008 02:13 PM (++F+m)
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Obama wouldn't go on fox news for months, or O'Reilly for even longer. And he was smart to do so. Unscripted moments in hostile territory are dangerous for all politicians. Sullivan is a moral coward since he knows he will never have to interview her and perhaps be humilitated himself. He is egging on his compatriots to cast the first of many stones.
Posted by: mytralman at September 10, 2008 02:59 PM (La0fs)
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What happened to Andrew? Just a few years ago, he actually had rational thoughts. Did he catch BDS from Arianna?
Posted by: Don at September 11, 2008 08:02 AM (mqsH/)
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Sullivan got his panties in a wad over gay marriage and has never been sane since.
Posted by: Kevin at September 11, 2008 08:37 AM (NFB/5)
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Yeah, a long time ago I used to think Sullivan was a fairly rational guy. He's been unhinged for most of the Bush presidency, however. I doubt I can ever bring myself to respect his opinion (or even read it) again. His loss. Ranting left-wing moonbats are a dime-a-dozen these days.
Posted by: John at September 11, 2008 10:31 AM (Tr186)
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I was an enthusiastic reader of Sullivan post-9/11 and got much solace from his sanity in a sea of insanity, so it's been very disappointing to see him descend into a sewer.
From my perspective, what happened to him is this: He fully supported Bush and the Iraq war; then Rumsfeld's botched handling of it, Bush's refusal to fire Rumsfeld, and finally the torture revelations, pushed him over the edge.
For Sullivan, he had given his support to people who then did some really bad things, in his name in a way, and he was so angry that he completely flipped allegiance and latched on to a really smart, smooth guy who seemed like the antidote.
It's unfortunate that he's so far gone now he can't see the ways McCain is closer to that earlier Sullivan in terms of handling the war and foreign policy. Sullivan is trying to atone by going to the opposite extreme. Also sad that he apparently can't get any satisfaction from the fact that sanity prevailed, in that Bush finally fired Rumsfeld, adults were put in charge of the war, and things are finally going in the right direction -- the direction Sullivan originally wanted to see.
Perhaps Sullivan will get another epiphany and become a thoughtful, independent commentator with a conservative bent again; but from my perspective, Sullivan has done to me what Bush did to him, and I'm unlikely to take him seriously again regardless of which way his ideology floats.
Posted by: Ronald Hayden at September 12, 2008 03:00 PM (EMeLz)
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I *understand* why Sullivan's apparently insane rants are newsworthy, but I never felt any touchy-feely connection with him so, for me, he's just another sad victim of BDS (which is quickly mutating into MPDS).
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Though he fronts a party that has tried hard to use the argument that John McCain doesn't have the temperament to be President, it is Barack Obama that seems to be falling apart under pressure:
Barack Obama responded Wednesday to the John McCain campaign's call for an apology concerning his "lipstick on a pig" remarks, by calling the controversy "phony and foolish" and defending it as an "innocent remark" that was taken out of context.
Obama said his comment was meant to compare the policies of McCain to those of President Bush, and was in no way a reference to Republican vice presidential Sarah Palin.
Obama accused the McCain campaign of "lies and phony outrage" and "Swift-boat politics." He said the "made-up controversy" was "cat nip for the news media."
The Illinois senator used the pig analogy at a campaign event in Lebanon, Va., on Tuesday while describing his Republican opponents.
"John McCain says he's about change, too, and so I guess his whole angle is, 'Watch out George Bush.' Except for economic policy, health care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics … That's not change. That's just calling something the same thing, something different," Obama said.
Oh, where to begin?
How about the accusation being levied by some that Obama's comment prior to the "lipstick" comment above was plagiarized from
this Tom Toles cartoon? (h/t reader Andy B.)
Obama has already been accused of stealing lines from
Deval Patrick, Mario Coumo, and Cesar Chavez, and chose a Vice Presidential candidate with his own
history of oratory theft. If Barack Obama once again appropriated someone else's words, he is going to have some trouble finding credible people to explain it away this time.
As for his initial bad (whether by carelessness or malice) choice of words, the McCain-Palin campaign's charge of purposeful disparagement, and Obama's overly defensive,
passive-agressive response, a clearly rattled Obama is becoming his own worst enemy.
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Race Man: How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304
Posted by: yarrrr at September 10, 2008 11:59 AM (uW3RA)
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The pig gag, if it is a misstatement, is a misstatement of the whole campaign. Surrogates have miraculously conjured the same image as Barry's at varying levels of vitriol. A harmonic convergence is perhaps not out of the question given the known powers of The One.
Posted by: megapotamus at September 10, 2008 12:00 PM (LF+qW)
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I read that even in town hall meetings he has a teleprompter. Was it on the teleprompter.
Posted by: davod at September 10, 2008 12:15 PM (GUZAT)
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I can just imagine President Obama on his travels. The military aid will carry a portable teleprompter instead of the football.
Posted by: davod at September 10, 2008 12:17 PM (GUZAT)
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But remember - any criticism of zerObama is dog whistle racism.
Posted by: Bandit at September 10, 2008 12:39 PM (SHPL6)
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Given the past couple of days, it's time to once again ask Obama "The Chicago Question" that he's never adequately answered:
"Who sent you?"
Posted by: MarkJ at September 10, 2008 01:58 PM (muqkO)
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Nice to see that Joe Biden is having a positive effect Obama.
Posted by: James Goneaux at September 10, 2008 02:06 PM (/q+cV)
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I know his people have to be kicking themselves for not putting 18 million female votes on the ticket with him . Would have zeroed out Palin.
Don't be surprized to see biden gone. Their running scared.
Posted by: Highwaqy at September 10, 2008 02:50 PM (m+YMT)
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Obama is probably not an angry man. But his supporters are for the most part very angry. When he trys to act like they want him to act, he does poorly. They picked the wrong guy.
Posted by: mytralman at September 10, 2008 03:06 PM (La0fs)
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It seems the entire "Lipstick on a Pig" story may have been, at least in part, a diversion to take interest away from the the discovery by the NYT that Obama worked on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
The piece is considered “unusually deceptive” and an excellent example of “propaganda” by those familiar with his efforts there, but it could simply be that the writer, Sam Dillon, is primarily a writer about education and unfamiliar with the political implications of the story.
Unexplored was why Obama seems to have left out this job from his resume. Considering Obama has been taking a pummeling for not having any executive experience, this would be an excellent comeback for Obama to all those complaints by McCain and Palin.
Posted by: Neo at September 10, 2008 03:19 PM (Yozw9)
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Er... so basically because Obama outlines the same very obvious policies shared by both Bush and McCain as some cartoon he's plagiarizing?
Are you seriously putting that forward as an argument? That's like saying he's guilty of plagiarizing for using english.
How's about trying to argue his points, and claim that McCain isn't just following in Bush's stumbling footsteps? Oh right... this isn't about issues.
Posted by: John at September 10, 2008 03:27 PM (qiTAx)
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I am not, repeat not, a Barack Obama supporter, but I think there is an explanation for the similarity of speeches delivered by Deval Patrick and Barack Obama. Both speeches were probably written by David Axelrod, the brains behind both campaigns.
Biden, however, copied Kinnick's oratory without attribution.
Posted by: arch at September 10, 2008 04:02 PM (fKThr)
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Barry knew those words were Toles, but presented them as if they were his own; he mentioned the cartoon in his interview with Olby a few days back.
He lifted them without attributing them to their author. That's plagiarism in most peoples' books.
Posted by: TC@LeatherPenguin at September 10, 2008 04:10 PM (EFVIP)
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neo
The Chicago Annenberg Challenge fiasco was covered by Hugh Hewitt at the end of August (around the 20th), cf http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/f64649ca-5fdc-411c-a056-8c775a953c3d
Forget talking about what poopie-heads he is for calling Palin a poopie-head. What about his association with unrepentant terrorists who were largely responsible for his involvement in politics?
Posted by: Adam at September 10, 2008 10:23 PM (z5YmD)
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The pressure to make Hiliary do more for Obama is an effort without an opportunity.
Nothing Hiliary does or can do will erase the months of bitter campaigning from voters minds. It’s really hard enough for voters to swallow Hiliary supporting Obama at all. To send her out now to save Obama’s gonads truly is Mission Impossible.
It is up to Obama to make us decide if he is the Messiah or Moses (didn’t get to the Promise Land).
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FYI: Citizen Journalism Workshop at Blogworld
Dr. David Perlmutter, author of Blog Wars: The New Political Battleground and a really neat educator I've worked with in the past, asked me to mention the Citizen Journalism Workshop being held this year at Blogworld in Las Vegas.
Consider this a PSA for an excellent idea:
Citizen Journalism Workshop
An Exclusive Event at BlogWorld & New Media Expo 2008
Date: Sept. 19, 2008 – 10:00AM – 4:45PM
Location: Las Vegas Convention Ctr., Upper South Hall Conference Rooms; Room 221
PROGRAM OVERVIEW:
As blogs take their place as legitimate and respected sources for news, information and analysis, BLOGWORLD & NEW MEDIA EXPO 2008 introduces a new Citizen Journalism Workshop.
There are about 112 millions weblogs worldwide, and while many are blogging for casual reasons or for just a short time, others, especially news and information bloggers, are serious about their blogs' success in the greater marketplace of ideas.
How can someone "break in" as a news, politics or current events blogger and build a readership, get attention from major bloggers and mass media, and more important perhaps, affect or influence the traditional press agenda, politics, and public opinion?
Traditional news media outlets and bloggers have not always had the best relationship. And yet traditional media has tried to learn from the blogs. In 2008 most mainstream media outlets have blogs, or have their journalists blogging independently.
Now it's time for the bloggers and other new media journalists to mine the history, tradition and most importantly, the knowledge base of traditional journalists.
In 2008 BLOGWORLD & NEW MEDIA EXPO 2008 is introducing a journalism training certificate workshop for bloggers seeking to deepen and broaden their skills. This workshop focuses on tools and skills news and information bloggers can use to improve the quality, and impact of their blogs.
Bloggers will learn techniques of traditional journalists, including styles of opinion writing, investigative reporting techniques and fact-sourcing, avoiding legal pitfalls, and tips on what makes a post most likely to get one quoted or cited by larger blogs and even the mainstream media.
The instructors for the sessions are accomplished news & information practitioners and educators who have established skills in practical and applied areas of professional journalism training. Participants will receive a Citizen Journalism Certificate and Web icon that will allow them to display their dedication to improving their journalistic skills, and providing them with a distinct brand differentiation from the millions of other news and information bloggers.
WORKSHOP SESSION DESCRIPTIONS:
10:00AM - 11:15AM
Journalism Content & Style: How to Write & Sound for Impact (CJ1)
[Professor Steve Berry, U. Iowa]
You'll learn why substance and clarity trump flash and flair in the battle for readers. This session will teach you how to give your writing the power, lively freshness, style and needed to win hearts and minds. We'll talk about how you can focus your writing to a specific audience, how broadcast, print and website writing differ and why; and how you can use this knowledge to better target specific groups. We'll also examine the rhythms, structure, and succinctness of superior writing and provide you with examples of how the best writers make people see instead of just read.
11:30AM - 12:45PM
Finding What's Out There: Searching, Sifting, and Selecting the Best Information Online (CJ2)
[Professor Jay Perkins, LSU]
Finding information isn't a problem anymore, but avoiding suffocating under all that information can be. Investigative journalists know that government collects a ton of information that most people never find and that Google and Wikipedia can't touch. This session will look at some of the free, hidden treasure chests of information. You'll learn how to assemble a background profile on someone from public records, how to trace property, cars, boats and other transactions, and where to go to find people who can help you find these items. You also will learn how to obtain information from local and national federal agencies through the Freedom of Information Act and how to get around the bureaucrats when they bar the front door and refuse to hand over the key. We'll also talk about fact-checking and source-credibility strategies that will keep you on the path of accuracy--and hopefully, out of someone else's blog.
2:00PM - 3:15PM
Top 10 Ways to Blog Your Way Into a Lawsuit (CJ3)
[Nina Yablok, Law Office of Nina Yablok]
A fast paced romp through the biggest legal risks that both individual and group bloggers face. Emphasis will be on recognizing problems early, assessing risks, self-help measures to minimize risk, when not to call an attorney, and when to make the call and how to use attorneys efficiently. Detailed legal analysis will not be provided. This is very much a "how to reduce risk in the real world" program.
3:30PM - 4:45PM
Getting Mainstream Media Attention: How to Reach Out to Journalists (CJ4)
[Professor David Perlmutter, U. Kansas]
In a crowded online world, how does an independent blogger stand out and be heard? Being cited, quoted, published or used as a source by mainstream media is a significant way to build a larger and wider audience. We will review the basic selection techniques of how journalists deem someone an "approved source" or expert; we discuss how bloggers can enter the Rolodex of reliable sources for major media. Second, we show ways to have blog content picked up by traditional media, from blasting out a press release to writing and submitting an op-ed to contacting and working with mainstream reporters on stories. Finally, we will look at the ethical issues that affect how your blog is perceived by mainstream media.
PRESENTER BIOS:
STEPHEN J. BERRY, a Pulitzer Prize-winning former reporter, is an associate professor of journalism at the University of Iowa, where he specializes in investigative reporting. He recently completed a stint as coordinator of the basic journalistic reporting program and taught a section in it for four years. His book, Watchdog Journalism: The Art of Investigative Reporting [Oxford University Press], was released July 2008. Before entering academia in 2003, Berry was a journalist for 33 years, having worked last at the Los Angeles Times. While at The Orlando Sentinel, he and a colleague won the 1993 Pulitzer Prize for investigative reporting. He has won numerous other honors for investigative and daily reporting, including the Associated Press Newspaper Executive Council Award for public service; the Benjamin Fine award for education reporting; the Los Angeles Times' Top of the Times Award, one of its Pulitzer nominations and its Editor and Publisher Prize; Society of Professional Journalists Award [Atlanta Chapter]; and others. His projects have examined race relations, the criminal justice system, police abuse of power, school district merger, medical malpractice, stock-car racing safety, guns, government and illegal drugs. More recently he has published "Reclaiming Objectivity" and "CBS News Lets the Pentagon Taint its News Process" in Nieman Reports. He holds an M.A. in American history from the University of North Carolina at Greensboro.
JAY PERKINS is an associate professor at the Manship School of Mass Communication, Louisiana State University. He specializes in teaching students how to find and use governmental documents and how to cross-check Internet sources. He has taught investigative, governmental and computer-assisted reporting classes at LSU for the past 25 years. He also teaches classes in the summer in the United Kingdom, has conducted seminars for reporters in Zambia twice, and frequently lectures on using Internet databases and sources to foreign journalists who are visiting the States on sponsored tours. Prior to coming to LSU, he was a political reporter in Washington, D.C., for the Associated Press.
DAVID D. PERLMUTTER is a professor at the William Allen White School of Journalism & Mass Communications, University of Kansas. He received his BA and MA from the University of Pennsylvania and his Ph.D. from the University of Minnesota. He has served as a Board member of the American Association of Political Consultants and now sits on the National Law Enforcement Museum Advisory Committee for its Media Exhibit. A documentary photographer, he is the author or editor of seven books on political communication and persuasion: Photojournalism and Foreign Policy: Framing Icons of Outrage in International Crises (Praeger, 199
; Visions of War: Picturing Warfare from the Stone Age to the Cyberage (St. Martin's, 1999); (ed.) The Manship School Guide to Political Communication (LSU Press, 1999); Policing the Media: Street Cops and Public Perceptions of Law Enforcement (Sage, 2000); Picturing China in the American Press: The Visual Portrayal of Sino-American Relations in Time Magazine, 1949-1973 (Rowman & Littlefield, 2007); (ed., with John Hamilton) From Pigeons to News Portals: Foreign Reporting and the Challenge of New Technology (LSU Press, 2007) , and Blogwars: The New Political Battleground (Oxford, 200
. He has also written several dozen research articles for academic journals as well as over 150 essays for U.S. and international newspapers and magazines. He writes a regular column, "P&T Confidential," for the Chronicle of Higher Education. He has been interviewed by most major news networks and newspapers, from the New York Times to CNN and ABC and, most recently, The Daily Show. He is editor of the blog of the Robert J. Dole Institute of Politics at the University of Kansas (http://www.doleinstituteblog.org/) and his own blog about online politics, http://policybyblog.squarespace.com/.
NINA YABLOK is an attorney in private practice. Her firm provides a full range of legal and related services to privately held businesses in a wide range of fields. Areas of advice include, but are not limited to, business development, merger and acquisition consulting, licensing, labor, contract, business entity choice, independent contractor and intellectual property law. Nina has been general counsel to Pajamas Media since it was a twinkle in Charles Johnson's and Roger Simon's eyes. She still represents PJM as well as several other well-known blogs. Nina's first online client was one of the largest and busiest forums on Compuserve. There, she dealt with legal issues on message boards, file libraries, chat rooms and IMs before the term "Social Networking" had been invented, and 11 years before Facebook was launched. She received her law degree from St. John's University, School of Law. Her own blog is at http://www.bizblawg.com/.
It certainly sounds like something worth checking out.
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Ouch. From the McCain campaign.
I can't read Barack Obama's mind.
I can't tell you with certainty whether his use of the time-worn phrase "you can't put lipstick on a pig" was an innocent use of the phrase as it has traditionally been used, or if it was a not-so-subtle slap at Gov. Sarah Palin.
I can tell you that using such a loaded phrase, when so many Democrats are still furious at Obama's perceived disrespect towards Hillary Clinton (especially considering his previous incidents of sexism, such as when he dismissively addresses a reporter as "sweetie"

, is the work of someone who is either a neophyte, or who has a political deathwish.
He may have thought he was being coy with his "pig" comment, but if he keeps generating controversial statements that can reasonably be interpreted as a personal attack, it's his campaign that is going to get cooked.
Update: CBS forced YouTube to remove the McCain ad linked above,but it can still be seen
here.
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I honestly don't think he meant to make that connection. At least I don't think it was in the front of his mind. Somewhere in the deep dark backwaters though, his mind threw that out his mouth as a funny.
The man should not be allowed off leash (teleprompter).
I'm also not sure McCain is doing the right thing to run an ad on this. Eventually, Obama is going to look like a sympathetic character for being taken down so many times...even if he deserves it.
Posted by: iamnot at September 10, 2008 08:52 AM (onj4J)
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"this is not the pig I used to know"....
Posted by: Conservative CBU at September 10, 2008 09:37 AM (M+Vfm)
Posted by: Neo at September 10, 2008 09:45 AM (Yozw9)
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I don't think this is an issue for Sarah Barracuda. She will take it in stride and not fall apart over this comment. She knows how to play the Big Boy games. Now what if the McCain/Palin campaign used the time-worn phrase "If you give them enough rope, they will hang themselves"? Where would they go with that one? It certainly applies on the one hand, but Oh, the racial conotations! I know they wouldn't go there but why should Obama go where he went? This guy needs a filter on his brain.
Posted by: Razorgirl at September 10, 2008 09:50 AM (aUY9H)
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I'm all for hitting back and hitting back hard, but I kind of thing McCain should leave this one alone. Let Obama keep making these kinds of statements and let people draw their own conclusions. They will draw the same conclusions McCain wants them too but by not having the campaign officially respond, he can stay above the fray.
Plus we really don't want to fall into the identity-politics trap.
Posted by: t.ferg at September 10, 2008 09:50 AM (2YVh7)
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Link to video no longer valid.
Posted by: JT at September 10, 2008 03:03 PM (HO6Is)
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If you do follow the link to see the vid, watch his left hand as he hits the lipstick line. He will 'wipe' his brow and as he does he flips the bird, albeit disguised.
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September 09, 2008
The Left's Rhetorical Suicide Bombers
Sarah Palin fired the librarian who didn't want to let her ban books.
Sarah Palin was once part of an Alaskan separatist political party.
Sarah Palin cut funding for special needs students in schools.
Sarah Palin faked a pregnancy to cover up for her oldest daughter.
Sarah Palin is a racist who openly utters ethnic slurs against Eskimos.
Sarah Palin endangered her son's military unit by announcing his deployment to Iraq.
When Governor Sarah Palin burst onto the national stage as John McCain's Vice Presidential pick, it set the journalistic and political pundits classes that considered her a dark horse candidate back on their heels in shocked surprise. The immediate, visceral delight among conservatives, moderates, and even a surprising number of Democrats to Palin's selection and unique biography triggered an immediate shift in media coverage.
Palin's coming out also triggered panic on the political left as they saw the "buzz" of the Democratic National Convention vanish into the ether, and the backlash against "Caribou Barbie" on the left was vicious and immediate as slur after slur were slung at her and her family the overwhelming majority of them false.
Palin never fired the Wasilla librarian or wanted to ban books, and the list of books she is accused of wanting to ban was a list of books copied from a university Web site, and included books published after Palin became mayor.
Palin first registered as a Republican in 1982 and has always been a Republican; the Alaskan Independence Party official who first claimed Palin was a member quickly admitted her mistake the next day.
Instead of cutting spending for special needs programs as claimed in a Washington Post article, Palin actually increased funding by more than $3 million.
Sarah Palin did not fake her pregnancy with her youngest son Trig to cover up her daughter's teen pregnancy. Sarah and Bristol had concurrent pregnancies for a month, and Bristol is still carrying her child with Levi Johnston.
Sarah Palin is far from being a racist who slurs Eskimos; her husband's family and her children are part Yup'ik Eskimo.
While the venom and volume of the slurs begin launched against Sarah Palin are notable, they are unsurprising in today's politics. Barack Obama and John McCain have both had rumors and slurs directed against them during the campaign, some of them quite fierce.
What separates the smears against Sarah Palin from the directed at Obama and McCain is the apparent willingness of some of those creating and propagating the smears to put their names on the line in order to impeach Palin's reputation as a form of rhetorical suicide bombers.
Foremost among them is Andrew Sullivan of
The Atlantic. Sullivan is openly a Barack Obama supporter, and has been a key conduit of taking obscure smears into the public spotlight. Sullivan has attacked Palin as a Christian extremist, and went so far as to link and repost portions of a sermon from Palin's minister
that were doctored to make him sound like Barack Obama's racist conspiracy theorist former pastor, Jeremiah Wright.
Sullivan helped
push the slur that Palin engaged in an extramarital affair with her husband's former business partner without any credible shred of evidence supporting such a claim, and was also among the first to actively promote the conspiracy theory that Sarah Palin
faked her pregnancy, claiming that her youngest son, Trig, was actually her daughter Bristol's child. Even after it was revealed that Bristol Palin was pregnant concurrently with her mother, Sullivan
still pushed for Sarah Palin to release her medical records. In continuing to foist up on improbable smear after another against Sarah Palin no matter how obtuse or unhinged the attack was, Sullivan went a long way to destroying his reputation. He has also tarnished the reputation of
The Atlantic in the process.
Paul Kane of the Washington
Post infamously and daftly misrepresented a spending bill where Palin exercised her line item veto, and claimed that as governor, Palin "reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent." The reality is that Palin increased funding for Covenant House by $3.9 million, a three-fold
increase. Despite widespread criticism and a
debunking by FactCheck.org, Kane and the
Post have refused to correct the false representation of Palin's record.
Jon Soltz, a former U.S. Army Captain, Iraq War veteran, and chairman of Votevets.org, is
claiming that gov. Palin violated operational security by revealing that her eldest son, Track, would be deploying to Iraq. Soltz
repeated the smear on another prominent political web site, the
Huffington Post.
But the claim Gov. Palin violated operational security is demonstrably false, which Soltz, as a former soldier, should have know before posting his claims. CNN's Anderson Cooper
dismantled Soltz's transparently partisan attack, pointing out that the Pentagon announced Track Palin's unit was deploying to Iraq
back in May, and that the unit itself had announced a public deployment ceremony a month before Palin was announced as John McCain's running mate. Two separate field-grade officers contacted have confirmed that Palin in no way violated operational security.
Some news agencies have released far more about Track Palin's deployment and his unit, including claiming to know to which province his unit would be deploying in Iraq. Without the benefit of any evidence at all, Soltz claims that the McCain-Palin campaign must be behind this disclosure. Though it damages his credibility and tarnishes the veteran's group he chairs, Jon Soltz has put his credibility and that of VoteVets.org on the line in hopes of undermining a proud soldier's mother for releasing already public information.
Despite these smears directed at Gov. Palin--and some that are worse--Palin and John McCain have surged in the polls. In months to come, those who have sacrificed their reputations in hopes of tarnishing Palin's name may wonder if the sacrifice was worth it.
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Great post. However, I believe Gov. Palin did ultimately fire the librarian, just not over "book banning". Also, I think you mean that she increased spending "to", not "by" $3.9M.
I'll try to look these up.
Posted by: fat tony at September 09, 2008 02:36 PM (4Mn/q)
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Thanks for checking behind me , fat tony, but both of those details are correct.
The librarian resigned of her own accord, and Palin increased spending to the already existing budget (of just over a million, as I recall) by raising it by an additional $3.9 million.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at September 09, 2008 02:56 PM (zqzYV)
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Oh, it seems they are now turning at least some attention back to McCain:
Via The Radio Equalizer, here's how Air America klaxon and avid Obama supporter Randi Rhodes describes the years of torture John McCain endured at the hands of Vietnamese communists because he wouldn't accept release before others who had been incarcerated longer:
"Of course he (McCain) became very friendly with the Vietnamese. They called him the Prince. He was well treated actually."
Posted by: Sara at September 09, 2008 03:52 PM (Wi/N0)
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Wasn't the librarian the girlfriend of the police commissioner that was lying to the City Council and fired because of it?
Posted by: Sara at September 09, 2008 03:54 PM (Wi/N0)
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The left is simply ticked off that McCain not only chose a woman for VP but a woman with more executive experience and more cojones than Obama.
Posted by: Zhombre at September 09, 2008 04:05 PM (SeBzj)
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On three occasions, I have witnessed an event which was later reported by the national media. One was an interview of a F4 crew who had just returned from an Operation Linebacker sortie. The second, an interview I reluctantly gave a British anchor named Jon Snow. The third was an assassination attempt on a foreign head of state which I witnessed.
None of the media reports were accurate. I read the Wall Street journal and watch college football on ABC. There ends my exposure to the news media. They just make stuff up.
Posted by: arch at September 09, 2008 04:11 PM (fKThr)
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The smears aren't working. 52% of Independents now support McCain-Palin as do a majority of white women. The left must find (or manufacture) something or McCain wins.
Posted by: arch at September 09, 2008 04:15 PM (fKThr)
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CY: Factcheck indicates that the librarian was fired, rehired, and later resigned. The Kilkenny letter spins the incident one way, but I am unclear what really happened.
As to the funding, I got this from http://wthrockmorton.com :
"It is true that lawmakers allocated 5 million to Covenant House Alaska and that Mrs. Palin cut that allocation to 3.9 million dollars. However, what is misleading about the Post headline is that the allocation of 3.9 million is three times more than Covenant House Alaska received from government grants in 2007. According to records on the Covenant House Alaska website, the organization received just over 1.3 million dollars from grants in 2007 and nearly 1.2 million in 2006. Even with the reductions, Governor Palin signed a budget which provided three times more funds than the organization received in 2007."
Assuming we are talking per annum figures, I take that to mean funding tripled to $3.9M, not rose by $3.9M.
It gets better, though. That site also has a letter from Covenant House, the recipient of the money, that says that what really occurred is a phase-in of funding. They are scheduled to increase to $5M in the succeeding year, putting the last nail into this smear job.
I guess the next charge will be that Gov. Palin diverted state funds to a rightwing Christianist sect (Covenant House). That's the only way to salvage this goofball claim.
Posted by: fat tony at September 09, 2008 04:53 PM (RnC1b)
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Also, I want to reiterate what a great job you do, not just on this post, but in general. Always fascinating reading.
Posted by: fat tony at September 09, 2008 04:57 PM (RnC1b)
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Obama gets personal .. now it's gonna get ugly."You can put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig."
Everybody take a deep breath while Obama destroys himself.
Posted by: Neo at September 09, 2008 06:00 PM (Yozw9)
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Oh, neo, that's beautiful. Women are running from the Dems in droves and Obama's response is "lipstick on a pig?"
God, it reminds me of "Mission Impossible": "This candidate will self-destruct in 5 minutes."
Posted by: Donna at September 09, 2008 06:54 PM (kugex)
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Barry said aabout 2 hours ago,in an obvious reference to Gov. Palin: "You can take the lipstick off a pig, but it's still a pig".
I'm sure with that kind of classy remark, he'll drop another 10-20 pts. in the polls.
Damn, grab the popcorn boys & girls; this is gonna be FUN!!
Posted by: Jack Coonan at September 09, 2008 07:11 PM (VrC8E)
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I am a liberal Democrat.
I don't know who these dumbasses are, but I wish they would quit calling themselves Democrats. They are ruining the name.
BTW - They are "progressives" not liberals.
Posted by: myiq2xu at September 09, 2008 07:12 PM (VYeMl)
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Love, just love, the headline!
Note to self: Steal variation soon.
Posted by: vanderleun at September 09, 2008 08:14 PM (s0k8A)
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The newest smear is the one about Palin charging her per diem when she was lodging at home. It's debunked over at Volokh. Apparently it was all kosher because her home was 2 hours away from her job site, and she wasn't charging lodging.
Anyway, Neo 6:00, I gotta agree with Obama on this one. I hate lipstick. Would never ask out a girl who wore it, but I'll still vote Palin-McCain.
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Jack Coonan,
I just received 2 lbs. each of 5 varieties of gourmet popcorn, a gallon of "screw-teh-food-Nazis" 90+% saturated fat coconut oil (like you used to get in theatres), and a gallon of buttery topping from popcornpopper.com. I'm lovin' it. I sent out an alert on Feb 07, 2008 on the family website I maintain that if "You want a woman president, forget Hillary! Here's my pick: http://gov.state.ak.us/ ". There are several liberal Democrat women in my family including two older sisters. None of them will talk to me right now. Go figure! As I own the family website, all the Palin smears get debunked quickly, and the Obama/Biden lies, deceptions, and slanders get the kleig lights. I can picture their grinding teeth, angry face, and sneering words: "It rears its ugly head again." When they talk about me in the third person when I'm in the room, I know they taste defeat. Hell, they used to put lipstick on me when I was a baby boy, and this is the best get-back ever on so many levels. I'll be hitting them with lipstick jokes till Thanksgiving, then they best let go Obama at the dinner table, over the suckling pig I'll be serving. rofl
Posted by: twolaneflash at September 10, 2008 09:56 AM (05dZx)
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Lib/Dem, if you want to differentiate the Progs from the Lib you have your work cut out for you. I know there are decent people in the Democratic Party but they need to speak up and not be mau-maued into silence. This state of affairs is only remediable by you. If you fail in this the Dems will split which I would like. But not as much as a reform of the Dems that leaves these nutcases out in the cold where they belong.
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Yon: Where Eagles Dare
I had a few minutes with Micheal Yon this morning via IM. Mike is in Afghanistan, and joined up with a British unit several weeks ago. He has already seen lots of combat that the mainstream media simply isn't covering — rural and urban, ambushes and hit-and-run attacks, mostly small arms and RPGs that have cost the Taliban dearly. Organizationally, they simply aren't as sophisticated as the Iraqi insurgency was, and they're taking heavy casualties.
A case in point explaining the kind of fighting ISAF forces are facing in Afghanistan might be the battles that took place on a humanitarian mission Michael covered in
Where Eagles Dare. Several hundred Taliban died trying to stop a convoy that had no other purpose than to help the Afghan people by providing them with more electric power.
It's well worth a read, and if you can donate a couple of bucks please do, as his coverage is all supported by reader donations.
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But Wasn't he Worried It Was A Plot to Give Him AIDS?
Rev. Jeremiah Wright finds a use for part of the US of KKK-A.
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Given that the woman appears to be white, and that the Rev. Wright has stated, in public, on the record, and on tape, that the CIA invented AIDS as way to conduct genocide against the black race, I just hope the good Rev. Wright was wearing a latex condom.
Posted by: Mark at September 09, 2008 05:49 PM (ds6m6)
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Or maybe that Tuskeegee syphilis the Man invented.
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Schooled
Barack Obama took the day off from campaigning Monday to accompany his daughters to their first day of school Monday, in Chicago's prestigious University of Chicago Lab School , a large, private facility.
It seems that the $50 million in Annenberg Challenge money he blew through creating social welfare programs for old leftist terrorists and other Ayers' allies couldn't quite bring Chicago's public schools up to his standards.
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And yet he'll get the NEA endorsment just because he's got a (D) next to his name.
*sigh*
Posted by: joated at September 08, 2008 09:16 PM (GAf+S)
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The NEA is a union. It's got nothing to do with actual learning.
Posted by: Trish at September 08, 2008 09:29 PM (IlbgI)
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Wasn't it $110 million they wasted?
Posted by: Alpheus at September 08, 2008 09:41 PM (rkV8b)
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It seems that the $50 million in Annenberg Challenge money he blew through creating social welfare programs for old leftist terrorists and other Ayers' allies couldn't quite bring Chicago's public schools up to his standards.
Matching funds chipped in from other sources ran that 50 million up to almost 150 million. And it did indeed fatten up a lot of 'activists', at the cost of those school kids, whose education did not improve a bit despite those vast coffers. Walter Annenberg should still be spinning in his grave.
I'm sure some of the small change left over, after all that activism, is used to the benefit of glitzy private schools for the offspring of, well, those who know better than the rest of us. A paltry few million should suffice.
Posted by: Micropotamus at September 08, 2008 10:27 PM (fuC1N)
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Shouldn't that be 150 million? (the 50 million original and the 100 million donor match)
Posted by: Lord Nazh at September 09, 2008 01:29 AM (/fqeh)
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Isn’t it ironic that democrats like Obama, Gore and Clinton send their children to private schools but refuse to give parents of talented inner city children vouchers - their own tax money - to do the same.
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As Barry says, there just aren't enough private school slots for the general public to attend decent schools. That is just for the well-heeled elite. With all the attention paid to Palin's expense accounts lately, does anyone care how Barry and Michelle got their pile? Does no one wonder just what is up with a new position being created for Michelle, with triple her old salary, just when Barry got elected to the Senate? And if the pressies need a bigger hook they might also notice that the hospital Michelle performs 300k worth of PR for every year reaped mighty rewards in the 7 figures at Barry's request. That's what an "earmark" is, doofs, if you wanted to know.
Posted by: megapotamus at September 09, 2008 10:18 AM (LF+qW)
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Barry said aabout 2 hours ago,in an obvious reference to Gov. Palin: "You can take the lipssic off a pig, but it's still a pig".
I'm sure with that kind of classy remark, he'll drop another 10-20 pts. in the polls.
Damn, grab the popcorn boys & girls; this is gonna be FUN!!
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Confirming the Obvious: Palin Race Smears a Steaming Pile of Moose Hooey
It's been debunked, the author discredited, and key players in the smear apparently linked to the Obama campaign.
The smear is now being deleted
fast and furiously by the very same liberal bloggers who hoped the manufactured hate would dupe moderates and independents into thinking Sarah Palin is a racist.
To go ahead and drive the stake deeply into the heart of this smear, through the coffin, and into the earth beyond, I contacted those who would know Sarah Palin the best, journalists in and around her hometown of Wasilla, AK.
Kari Sleight, publisher of the Mat-Su Valley
Frontiersman, Palin's hometown newspaper kills the slur dead, responding via email:
I have not heard the rumor about Barack Obama. Rumors of the Eskimo slurs surfaced during Gov. Palin’s gubernatorial campaign and were quickly dismissed as such.
I have personally known Sarah Palin for 11 years and have never heard her utter anything remotely racist. Her husband, Todd, is half Yup'ik Eskimo, and her children share the same heritage.
This slur is as dead, but don't worry... I'm sure others are just around the corner.
Update: Sean Cockerham, state politics reporter at the
Anchorage Daily News concurs that the racist slurs against Palin are false, with a to-the-point:
We've heard nothing like this.
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Obama keeps his hands off the smears, or so he says.
If you look at the way he won most of his elections there was some skulduggery involved to get rid of the best of the opposition.
Someone should highlight the circumstances with a rejoiner "and he says he has nothing to do with slandering Palin"
Posted by: davod at September 08, 2008 03:27 PM (GUZAT)
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The joke quotes at this site:
http://unbearablebobness.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/08/governor-sarah-palin-quotes.html
were posted as real here:
http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=765589&boardsparam=Page%3d5
and apparently they're being emailed around. Just one more thing to be aware of.
Posted by: juliesa at September 08, 2008 05:08 PM (JO0c/)
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Mac is being linked like mad. The link to his site isn't working right now.
Posted by: Sue at September 09, 2008 08:52 AM (Jol77)
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she could have said it.. maybe in her mind, her husband is one of the 'good ones'.
Jenny Jones had episodes on her show called
'i love you, but I hate your race' years ago...
for the most part, the Republicans and Democrats as a whole are not good for this country anyway. It would be nice if both sides quit perping like they're all that... if they were, there would be only one party running this country...
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