More Comment Whining
My resident pet troll, who posts under all sorts of names for some reason (any strange name that you see over and over again is likely the troll -- usually some attempt at relating to the post, but sometimes not), is doing more whining. On a post about SCHIP, the troll (posting on that thread as John Daley) claims to be God of America.
This is a position that the left often takes. It's one thing to think that you know better than everyone else, but you have truly descended into the den of evil when you askHow does the couple with $22,800 spendable income afford a private health insurance plan?
especially when your answer is "with government help." He also keeps pestering me about how much I pay for insurance. You see, there's one answer to that question in a free country (which America is not):
WHO CARES? IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE
The government of a free country should never ask or care about how much anything costs. The implication is that if something costs "too much," then government should make it cheaper. That's the story behind SCHIP -- people cannot "afford" insurance, so government should buy it for them. Keep in mind: government can buy NOTHING without first taking from someone else. Well gee, can people afford cell phones? Maybe they're "too expensive" so government should buy some of those. Oh, people don't "need" those? How about cars? Are they "too expensive?" If so, government better get to buying some for people. Oh, and we better get some more people like John Daley paying more attention so they can tell everyone else the EXACT price that things should cost. After all, how are we to determine how much is "too much" if we don't have someone who knows better to tell us? And hey, houses are kind of expensive, and everyone "needs" a house, too, right? Better get government to buy some more of those. Hey, what about food? People absolutely really need food right? Well, how much, exactly, should a can of baked beans cost? Is 33 cents "too much?" I think John Daley needs to tell us. Should government show up and force everyone to only charge 31 cents? Should we fine people and throw them in jail for charging 37 cents for a can of beans? In John Daley's world, apparently we should. But this is the world of liberals today. They honestly believe that they are gods in America. They believe they know exactly how much people should pay for everything because they're smarter than everyone else. And they hate freedom (even if they won't admit it). How much "should" health insurance cost? Whatever two people agree it should cost. If I can get someone to give it to me for 2 chickens a week, we should be able to trade. But in the fantasy-land that is liberalism, that's not "fair." In a free country, people are free to come to an agreement about trading for goods and services. We are not free to do that in this country for many things -- health insurance is just one of them. I cannot buy the health insurance I want today -- not because of the "evil" companies, but because the government of North Carolina WILL NOT LET ME. They have made it illegal and will fine anyone who dares sell me the insurance I want. Liberals like this idea. Liberals believe that "rights" extend to anything they deem people should have. And they don't care who they have to punish, jail, or enslave to get what they want. No, they won't use their money to buy things for people that they want them to have -- but they're more than willing to use the force of government to take from YOU so they can buy things THEY decide others "should" have. And that's just incredibly selfish and pure evil.
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The couple who is earning that little income need to re-evaluate their careers. IOW, get a job that provides health insurance as a benefit.
Wal Mart is always hiring. They pay 10 to 12 bucks an hour and offer plans for as little as 11 bucks a week- thats about 40 cans of beans.
Gimme a break. I once made that amount of money and I managed quite well. Its called living within your means and sacrificing the beans. Literally.
Wal Mart is always hiring. They pay 10 to 12 bucks an hour and offer plans for as little as 11 bucks a week- thats about 40 cans of beans.
Gimme a break. I once made that amount of money and I managed quite well. Its called living within your means and sacrificing the beans. Literally.
Posted by: Raven at November 08, 2007 01:34 PM (Vvbj+)
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But that's not how liberals think. By creating a "right" to health insurance, they honestly believe in slavery. Seriously. Because if there's no one to provide something for free, government WILL force someone to provide it -- or force someone else to pay to provide it. And if you refuse, you will be jailed. That's slavery, plain and simple.
Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 02:00 PM (oifEm)
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Hmm, so John Daley (funny, there is a poster at the NJ.com forum I get on that used to use that name before it was banned) thinks we should be concerned over a couple who are apparently so lame that they both have jobs that pay them minimum wage? Heck, if they were both getting min wage, they would be making over $23K. Perhaps they should, as Raven suggest, look for new jobs. Also, maybe some education and a proper work ethic.
Posted by: William Teach at November 08, 2007 02:15 PM (NaHh8)
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Sorry, "work ethics," and "responsibility" are disallowed in the Utopian world of liberals today.
Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 02:34 PM (oifEm)
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My bad!
Posted by: William Teach at November 08, 2007 03:27 PM (NaHh8)
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No, no, it's not your fault. It's Bush's fault. And there's a government program to help you overcome your attraction to responsibility. It's called the "public education system."
Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 03:57 PM (oifEm)
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Some people run into circumstances that truly place them in a bind. I had a friend who was married and they had four kids; she stayed at home to take care of the kids and he worked as a construction contractor.
He up and died one morning- while he was out running. No warning, in good health, ect...he held the insurance for the family. That ended 30 days after his death of course. Along with the family income. They had saved enough money for her to get by for 6 mos- make the house payments and all that. And he had life insurance. She paid off the house and car loans and nothing was left. She sold the house to get money to pay for a college education for herself (in nursing). She also used some of the money to cover living expenses such as an apartment, food, gas...her friends took care of her kids while she attended classes.
the family had no health insurance and no income to speak of...so she enrolled her kids in NH's Healthy Kids Program- which is S CHIP. She kept herself uninsured ( now she wouldn't be able to do that AND attend college- everyone has to be insured.) For three years she relied upon NHHK- and she had to pay premiums for this. I think it was around 30 a month for each kid...
After three yrs she got her degree and a good job at a local hospital. Now she is self reliant and doesn't except guvmint help; according to my states poverty levels though she STILL qualifies for S CHIP. When she got her first paycheck from her new career, she wrote a check to my state to pay back some of the money she "borrowed" using the program and she figures she has paid back every penny: She wrote checks every two weeks for a year. HOWS THAT for ethics??
I can hear the liberals now!
He up and died one morning- while he was out running. No warning, in good health, ect...he held the insurance for the family. That ended 30 days after his death of course. Along with the family income. They had saved enough money for her to get by for 6 mos- make the house payments and all that. And he had life insurance. She paid off the house and car loans and nothing was left. She sold the house to get money to pay for a college education for herself (in nursing). She also used some of the money to cover living expenses such as an apartment, food, gas...her friends took care of her kids while she attended classes.
the family had no health insurance and no income to speak of...so she enrolled her kids in NH's Healthy Kids Program- which is S CHIP. She kept herself uninsured ( now she wouldn't be able to do that AND attend college- everyone has to be insured.) For three years she relied upon NHHK- and she had to pay premiums for this. I think it was around 30 a month for each kid...
After three yrs she got her degree and a good job at a local hospital. Now she is self reliant and doesn't except guvmint help; according to my states poverty levels though she STILL qualifies for S CHIP. When she got her first paycheck from her new career, she wrote a check to my state to pay back some of the money she "borrowed" using the program and she figures she has paid back every penny: She wrote checks every two weeks for a year. HOWS THAT for ethics??
I can hear the liberals now!
Posted by: Raven at November 08, 2007 04:10 PM (Vvbj+)
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Liberals simply cannot stand people like that. They hate them -- but they love the income they produce because that is where liberals get their money.
And funny you should mention NH and SCHIP -- I just talked to my brother. He has dropped ALL health insurance because he doesn't need it any more. His entire family just goes to the doctor and says, "No, we don't have insurance" -- and they get any and all medicine and health care they want. The "state" pays for everything.
And yes, he and his wife are employed. Her employer offers insurance. He could buy it -- but why bother when he doesn't actually get anything for it? Spending hundreds of dollars a month to buy something they can get for "free?" He can't see doing it.
Hold on to your wallet, Raven.
And funny you should mention NH and SCHIP -- I just talked to my brother. He has dropped ALL health insurance because he doesn't need it any more. His entire family just goes to the doctor and says, "No, we don't have insurance" -- and they get any and all medicine and health care they want. The "state" pays for everything.
And yes, he and his wife are employed. Her employer offers insurance. He could buy it -- but why bother when he doesn't actually get anything for it? Spending hundreds of dollars a month to buy something they can get for "free?" He can't see doing it.
Hold on to your wallet, Raven.
Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 04:13 PM (oifEm)
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uuugh!!!
YOUR brother? is he a liberal or what?
He should be aware that his kids cannot attend school, enroll in college or enter sports programs without insurance. I'm wondering HOW he did it? I cannot drop my insurance without proving I have another plan or assets to pay for my health care first. Does he work for a small firm that doesn't fall under the fed rules now? Interesting.
YOUR brother? is he a liberal or what?
He should be aware that his kids cannot attend school, enroll in college or enter sports programs without insurance. I'm wondering HOW he did it? I cannot drop my insurance without proving I have another plan or assets to pay for my health care first. Does he work for a small firm that doesn't fall under the fed rules now? Interesting.
Posted by: Raven at November 08, 2007 04:41 PM (Vvbj+)
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I wouldn't call him a liberal. I'm not sure he's ever voted. He more a hippy than anything.
And his kids are in school. He is self-employed, so he just doesn't buy insurance. His wife works for ... wait for it ... THE SCHOOL DISTRICT and just refuses health insurance when they offer it to her.
And his kids are in school. He is self-employed, so he just doesn't buy insurance. His wife works for ... wait for it ... THE SCHOOL DISTRICT and just refuses health insurance when they offer it to her.
Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 04:43 PM (oifEm)
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Well the kids are already in school so they don't KNOW they have no insurance. Just wait. Your brother will see....and she's just crazy to turn down a school district plan. She really is.
The school will make them enroll the kids in NHHK- for free if income is below poverty levels. Otherwise they will have to pay a premium which isn't much.
The school will make them enroll the kids in NHHK- for free if income is below poverty levels. Otherwise they will have to pay a premium which isn't much.
Posted by: Raven at November 08, 2007 04:54 PM (Vvbj+)
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Holy Cow... what a post and comments! First of all, I salute Raven's friend. She is obviously made from the same stock our grandparents were made from! Having been a single Mom myself, working 20 hrs a week for $4.50 an hour at my sons childcare (so he could attend private school), I went without insurance for a couple of years (My son was covered by his father's insurance, for which I was grateful). At any rate I'm still alive, and I don't feel like I owe anyone insurance. I pay out the wazoo to have the coverage I have, but I provide it for myself so anyone else can do it if they want it badly enough. Two things libs don't seem to have... accountablity and responsibility. I know... there I go being Politically Incorrect again! I came to my conservative point of view because I got tired of seeing all these people living the "entitlement lifestyle" off hard working peoples tax dollars. I struggled my way through school, lived in poverty while I did it, and nobody gave me a thing. I waited on tables at banquets and made a few dollars to put food in the house, and now that I can live deciently, I have liberals wanting to raise my taxes so middle class families can have healthcare! In the words of George Thorogood... GET A HAIRCUT and GET A REAL JOB!!!!
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 05:11 PM (eaqGd)
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Raven, I don't think the kids are enrolled in any such program -- but even the parents are right now getting free medical care. He says they just say "no insurance" and no one asks anything else. Insane.
And do you notice the common thread here? Talking about responsibility and the like and people's histories? I guess I can relate, too, because at one point in my life I was honestly homeless and had nothing but a sea bag full of clothes. That was my entire life. As you can imagine, I got a job, saved money, and worked hard. Now I just get punished for working hard by paying for other people to NOT work...
And do you notice the common thread here? Talking about responsibility and the like and people's histories? I guess I can relate, too, because at one point in my life I was honestly homeless and had nothing but a sea bag full of clothes. That was my entire life. As you can imagine, I got a job, saved money, and worked hard. Now I just get punished for working hard by paying for other people to NOT work...
Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 05:39 PM (oifEm)
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I would like to buy an Island and right off the bat... no government. Everybody just takes care of things and works and lives and that's that! What about defense?... that's what the right to bear arms is all about. Make a co-op for power needs, everyone uses horses and buggies like the Amish, to get around the Island and NO TELEVISION. It's such a lovely dream. But of course I wake up... drat!
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 05:53 PM (eaqGd)
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That's a dream many share -- and some think it can be done, here and now. Ever checked out the Free State Project?
http://www.freestateproject.org/
http://www.freestateproject.org/
Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 05:58 PM (oifEm)
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That is about the most awesome idea I've seen. Only if Ron Paul is part of it, the libs will probably figure out a way to stop it. The only thing I would feel hesitant about... there is snow there! I have always wanted to move south and get away from winter! Oh well, I drove through NH and Maine about 3 years ago, and it is a beautiful state. I'm going to check that out more closely when I'm not at work. LOL!
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 06:18 PM (eaqGd)
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Hey, isn't that where Raven lives??? I bet she could put us all up for say... a few months! LOL!!! Just kidding Raven, don't go out purchase security hon!
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 06:19 PM (eaqGd)
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Ron Paul actually isn't part of it -- this movement has been going on for years, just recently Paul found out about it and agreed with it.
And yes, Raven does live up there. That's one of the reasons they picked NH -- because there's already a lot of freedom-minded people there.
As for the snow -- move to the southern part of the state, they hardly get any any more, thanks to algore's global warming!
And yes, Raven does live up there. That's one of the reasons they picked NH -- because there's already a lot of freedom-minded people there.
As for the snow -- move to the southern part of the state, they hardly get any any more, thanks to algore's global warming!
Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 06:23 PM (oifEm)
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That is a very interesting project. And here I thought I wanted to retire to New Mexico or Arizona or something. LOL! Thank goodness for bad science and Al, now I can really have hope as he jets around speading his carbon signiture from coast to coast! Whew!!!!
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 06:36 PM (eaqGd)
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There's already 400+ people who have moved, and now over 8,000 have pledged to move. And just 400 are already having an effect. They're having a convention of sorts in January, and at least one of NH's senators are scheduled to attend.
They're gaining speed. And I think this is just about the only chance for true liberty left in America today.
They're gaining speed. And I think this is just about the only chance for true liberty left in America today.
Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 06:50 PM (oifEm)
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My birthday is in January, maybe I'll treat myself to a convention. I think Peterborough is where they make really cool baskets. It is an intriguing thought, though I would think the existance of such a state would make the people in power very nervous.
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 06:57 PM (eaqGd)
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Jan 3-6:
http://www.freestateproject.org/libertyforum
And yes, such a state does make a lot of power mongers nervous. People associated with the Free State are often attacked in the press and have been harassed by federal agents (even ones that aren't using civil disobedience).
http://www.freestateproject.org/libertyforum
And yes, such a state does make a lot of power mongers nervous. People associated with the Free State are often attacked in the press and have been harassed by federal agents (even ones that aren't using civil disobedience).
Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 07:05 PM (oifEm)
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Since my b-day's on the 9th, that would be just about perfect. And as far as harrassment goes... doesn't scare me. After all, Freedom isn't free (as you well know). I just want to hear for myself what it is like to live in a state where you are truly free. Also, a state who's Primary molds many opinions politically.
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 07:10 PM (eaqGd)
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I'm thinking about getting up there for that, but I'm not sure I'll have the cash for the trip...and driving from my house to there is about 13 hours...
Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 07:46 PM (oifEm)
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I remember going to Canada, and I flew into Manchester for about $80 on SouthWorst via Indy-Chicago-Manchester. I then rented a Sunbird pretty cheap and made my way to New Brunswick.
I just try to look for travel deals and book early so I can get a deeper discount sometimes and at least get the price locked in. I may look into Amtrak too and see if they go near there. I guess I'm just cheap and lazy when it comes to travel. LOL!!!
I just try to look for travel deals and book early so I can get a deeper discount sometimes and at least get the price locked in. I may look into Amtrak too and see if they go near there. I guess I'm just cheap and lazy when it comes to travel. LOL!!!
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 08:01 PM (eaqGd)
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I'd take SW in a minute -- but the people in power in Charlotte will not permit them in. They pay US Air, US Air pays them, and the people get what US Air wants.
Amtrak is good, but you can't get past Boston. If you want an hour or two drive up from Boston, the train works well (I did that one year).
Amtrak is good, but you can't get past Boston. If you want an hour or two drive up from Boston, the train works well (I did that one year).
Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 08:05 PM (oifEm)
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I think SW goes to the Raliegh-Durham airport to if you wanted to make that drive. I can see many possibilities if you don't mind jumping through a hoop or two. I never do if theres a good savings involved. :-)
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 08:11 PM (eaqGd)
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I once flew from Charlotte to Manchester, NH via Chicago...because it was $200 cheaper. Oh, I'll jump 'em. 
And hey, if it's timed just right, the NH Primary may be just days after this conference.
And hey, if it's timed just right, the NH Primary may be just days after this conference.
Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 08:18 PM (oifEm)
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That would be extremely interesting!
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 08:20 PM (eaqGd)
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Hey, they had a Porcupine Fest in June that looks like it was pretty cool.
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 08:28 PM (eaqGd)
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I missed that one by a week -- I was in NH the week after it was held. Darn work obligations... 
Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 08:33 PM (oifEm)
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Work can be a drag and definately cuts into freedom a bit, but without it, there is no freedom from government... so, there ya have it.
It looks like Nashua is right between Beantown and Manchester, so either option would be worthy as a destination for discount airfare or train.
It looks like Nashua is right between Beantown and Manchester, so either option would be worthy as a destination for discount airfare or train.
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 08:36 PM (eaqGd)
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NH is still a great state to live in. No income tax. No overmeddling guvmint YET...we need more self reliant people to come up and help keep it FREE. The weather isn't that bad...sheesh...and when it is its great for winter sports! Mostly small towns with lots of character and ambiance...I wouldn't live anywhere else.
Posted by: Raven at November 08, 2007 09:28 PM (5xw89)
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Hummmmm... sounds terrific Raven. I will most definately plan on checking it out come January.
That ought to tell me all I need to know about winter and my tolerance, eh? It does sound lovely there.
That ought to tell me all I need to know about winter and my tolerance, eh? It does sound lovely there.
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 09:55 PM (eaqGd)
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Well, I think we all know who "John Daley is now... Meaty needs to just give it up! I hope he has a "union card" because with all the cherry picking he does, he will need to show proof that he is doing it legally!
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 09, 2007 04:27 AM (TzKlC)
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Them liberals are trying to screw up New Hampshire right now, real bad. Can you say, "Smoking ban on private property?"
But hopefully more freedom loving people will move there and the nanny-staters will move away. Hey, I can hope.
As for John being Meaty, I don't think so. Meaty sees the world through his own slanted vision and absolutely cannot comprehend reality. John appears to be able to comprehend reality, he just doesn't like it or freedom very much.
But hopefully more freedom loving people will move there and the nanny-staters will move away. Hey, I can hope.
As for John being Meaty, I don't think so. Meaty sees the world through his own slanted vision and absolutely cannot comprehend reality. John appears to be able to comprehend reality, he just doesn't like it or freedom very much.
Posted by: Ogre at November 09, 2007 02:02 PM (oifEm)
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I have been thinking that if I like NH in January, I may just commit. I think in 5 years I can settle things here, get rid of my house and be free to go. I could truly commit to such a project and saving a great state from having a "tradition of freedom" lost to the same liberalism that is destroying freedom everywhere else. Sounds like a good thing if I can get the money together to do it, I'll go in January.
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 09, 2007 05:11 PM (eaqGd)
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There's battles for freedom ongoing today. I just honestly thing that NH has the best chance of actually winning right now. The more freedom-lovers that move there, the better that chance!
Posted by: Ogre at November 09, 2007 05:12 PM (oifEm)
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Well, I'm convenced that it is something to be considered as a viable option and checked out.
I went through the 101 reasons to go there last night, and they were impressive reasons.
I went through the 101 reasons to go there last night, and they were impressive reasons.
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 09, 2007 05:40 PM (eaqGd)
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I LOVE that 101 reasons list! And really, some people have already moved and are already making a difference. You have to be a resident for 2 years before you can run for state office -- and many new movers are getting ready to do that soon, too!
Posted by: Ogre at November 09, 2007 06:08 PM (oifEm)
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It sounds so exciting. I would just be happy to be a voter and participate in a more intelligent political system. You know, support the people that want to live free and productive lives.
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 09, 2007 08:12 PM (eaqGd)
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You would be welcomed there.
Posted by: Ogre at November 09, 2007 08:18 PM (oifEm)
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