Schip. Again.

Well, it's coming back again. Folks, we ARE going to have socialized medicine. It doesn't matter that it doesn't work. It doesn't matter that it will hurt and kill people, just like socialism does every single place on the planet it's ever been tried. You see, socialism works for two reasons: because it's for the "greater good" (even if it kills some people, others will be better off) and because, at least in America, there's many good people.

You see, there's a lot of people in America still left that just won't give up. There's a lot of people who still see the value in hard work, so they're going to work hard, no matter what. There's people who, even if the income tax rises to 75%, are still going to work hard. Of course, that number continues to shrink as more people find out that if they don't work, government will provide, well, everything for them.

But there's still that mass of people who just ignore government, ignore politics, and continue working. There's the mass that doesn't realize that 20-50% of their earnings are being taken from them -- they just don't care because they're going to work hard. As long as there is this mass, socialism and socialist medicine will continue to expand, and will continue to work in America.

Of course, once more students from public schools graduate -- who have not been taught that hard work is good -- and more people retire and simply give up -- it will be harder to sustain the socialist system. The next generation is in serious trouble -- but no one cares about them. And after all, socialized medicine will "help" some people.

So socialism continues. Socialist medicine (SCHIP) will be implemented. And good people will continue to work hard -- at least as long as they can. And freedom will continue to decline until it just simply doesn't exist -- but you won't know, because you'll be working too hard.

Raven has more gory details.

Posted by: Ogre at 05:03 PM

Comments

1 I'm going to post all the latest on this.

Damn it really PISSES me off too....because I can and do qualify for this "welfare" but refuse to take advantage of it...simple because I know there are many others who are less fortunate than me, who really truly need it (regardless of WHY)- I can provide my own coverage and chose to do so, so that these others can have it. Our liberal leaders want to take this choice and make it almost a handout. They're ruining the American spirit!!

Posted by: Raven at October 25, 2007 07:18 PM (nPvaw)

2 ...and I'm stealing your cartoon for the post, LOL.

Posted by: Raven at October 25, 2007 07:31 PM (nPvaw)

3 Damn near everyone will qualify for the expanded welfare -- and that's the point.

They know they can't force us to accept social-ism, but if they present it as voluntary and drive
private companies out of business, then we get it whether we want it or not.

Posted by: Ogre at October 25, 2007 07:39 PM (oifEm)

4 Yep.

All in the name of the children. We are becoming a nation of lazy people-those who don't want to, nor think they should have to, work for what we have. Pretty soon there will be incentive to do just that: WORK.

Then what???

Posted by: Raven at October 25, 2007 09:06 PM (nPvaw)

5 Incentive to work? Not while the current politicians are in charge, that's for sure.

Posted by: Ogre at October 25, 2007 09:21 PM (2WD8n)

6 They passed it...but not with enough to override the promised veto.

***sigh***

It's tough to be on the right side of a popular bill. I read the GAO's report on this too; the cigarette tax will only cover 5 yrs worth of funding provided we maintain the same numbers of smokers- after that they'll have to come up with more money== more taxes from people who do work...like me who will pay for those making more.

UUGH.

Posted by: Raven at October 25, 2007 11:27 PM (nPvaw)

7 Did you read the first line of this post? We WILL have socialized medicine. There's no going back now.

Posted by: Ogre at October 26, 2007 12:07 AM (2WD8n)

8 Having made private doctor appointments for lower back anesthesia shots in Denmark for $60 and $40 in Japan, I know that other countries provide health care at much lower cost than in the U.S. ... and I made a telephone appointment and got my shot on the very next day, so the "long waiting lines" just wasn't true for me ... the same shot treatment in the U.S. costs $200-$300 because of 1500 duplicate private insurance c_ompanies' billing and bureacracies.

And mostly due to 3rd-PARTY PAYMENT SYSTEM -- "somebody else" (insurance c_ompanies) are doing the paying so people aren't as cost-conscious as they should be (because it seems like health care is "free" to them).

I think you are right about Hillary winning the next election because hard-working Americans are sick and tired of going bankrupt because their premium-swallowing health insurance c_ompany denied payment for medical treatment they desperately needed.

I'm not talking about uninsured S-CHIP candidates; I'm talking about people like you and me who have been paying $20,000/year for health care until an expensive treatment is needed and the insurance c_ompany breaks their legal contract with their dues-paying customer.

You really should set aside your political bias and see that movie "Sick-O".

Posted by: Health Caring Hillary at October 26, 2007 09:14 AM (x3vvv)

9 Yeah, because sick-o actually has some basis in reality (that's sarcasm there). I've seen analysis of that movie, and seen the facts that show it's completely full of lies.

If you think Japan and Denmark's systems are better, why don't you live there? Seriously, I'm not being flippant, why don't you move to one of those countries since, at least for you, their health care systems are so much better than America's?

Posted by: Ogre at October 26, 2007 11:36 AM (oifEm)

10 Why move now? Hillary is going to straighten out this country's health care crisis in about, uh, one year, one month, twenty three days from now.

And you'll have to crawl back into that cave you've been living in and whine to your FOX news buddies.

Seriously.

Posted by: Health Caring Hillary at October 27, 2007 07:09 AM (4hwtR)

11 BTW, who is paying for __YOUR__ health insurance? Taxpayers? Your former company?

I'm paying $20K per year, and I think the insurance c_ompanies (3rd party payers) have jacked the price up way beyond the value of the services I get from them.

Do you think everyone should (or can) afford to pay $20,000 per year for health care?

Posted by: Health Caring Hillary at October 27, 2007 07:45 AM (4hwtR)

12 Once again, I believe in freedom. I don't believe that anyone should determine how much anyone else should pay for health insurance. In a country that was free, people would be free to buy what they wanted from whom they wanted. I know, it's an insane concept.

Posted by: Ogre at October 27, 2007 12:24 PM (2WD8n)

13 You have a very vague and ambiguous definition of "freedom". Maybe *I* shouldn't decide what you and your provider agree upon, but certainly your provider sets the prices you pay. You can't say "I'm gonna pay you $500/month for ALL my heath care needs." and expect to get any.

It would be very helpful to know how _YOUR_ health care is being paid for. Then others would know where (and perhaps why) your views are coming from.

My guess is that you are retired military and receive "free medical care" at a U.S. military hospital. I am very sure that you don't pay out-of-pocket for your own private insurance policy because the $1,000/month deductible alone would upset you.

Let us know who pays for your health care and then we'll know how relevant your view is to Americans today.

Unless I knew more about you _YOU_ pay for your medical bills, I'd have to say that your position is based on airy-fairy ideology or intellectual "righteousness" not on any practical first-hand experience paying for office visits, meds, and treatments, or being denied health care after a serious car accident.

In a perfect world, I would be given lower rates due to 120/70 BP and 154 Cholesterol and regular exercise at the gym and eating a healthy diet to maintain a trim weight, and excellent driving record but insurance c_ompanies are in business to make a PROFIT, not to provide an affordable, quality SERVICE.

PROFIT and SERVICE are opposing goals; in fact one of them must decline in order for the other to increase. And "you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows..."

Posted by: Health Caring Hillary at October 27, 2007 09:49 PM (uetv9)

14 As usual, you are noticeably silent about who is paying for _YOUR_ health care. That is a good indication that you are mooching off somebody else's pocketbook -- otherwise, a rugged individualist like you would proudly point out how you pay your own way.

Posted by: John Daley at November 07, 2007 09:47 AM (y2s/z)

15 Thanks for meeting the criteria of a troll that I shall ignore. When you start telling me what my thoughts and feelings are, that's not debate, so I choose not to participate. If you want to talk about reality and facts, I debate. When you just call names and make up crap because you want to, that's just trolling. Good day.

Posted by: Ogre at November 07, 2007 12:18 PM (oifEm)

16 Perhaps I should have asked instead if you are happy with your current health care -- that would tell me whether you have a decent plan (like Congresspeople) -- and then I could ask you if you think you are getting a good price for the services you get each year.

The S-chip program is specifically designed for people who are working (and thus don't qualify for medicaid) but they don't earn enough money to afford to buy a private health insurance plan. I would then ask you if you know how these people can get health insurance for a family of four with an annual income of $40,000 (about $22,800 after-tax money to pay for rent, food, clothing, transportation and health care?)

Posted by: John Daley at November 08, 2007 07:38 AM (7ppVp)

17 It's sort of like that question for George Herbert Walker Bush (#41) "Do you know the price of a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread?" -- and he didn't.

Do you know the prices Americans are asked to pay for family health insurance these days?

How does the couple with $22,800 spendable income afford a private health insurance plan?

Posted by: John Daley at November 08, 2007 07:45 AM (7ppVp)

18 Here's some info about how "Silly Americans" feel about SCHIP:

http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/pomr101707pkg.cfm

Posted by: John Daley at November 13, 2007 07:35 AM (oN/VZ)

19 So if Americans vote that blacks should be property, you're okay with that.

Posted by: Ogre at November 13, 2007 09:50 AM (2WD8n)

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