A Muslim Doctor?
From this site (the first question):
When the patient saw my name, he refused to be examined by a Muslim doctor. I couldn’t reach his primary physician, and the other physician on call was also Muslim. A physician assistant offered to complete the evaluation, but as the patient was in no immediate danger, I did not allow this. Instead I discharged the patient without a full evaluation. Was I right?
Imagine that. Someone actually refused treatment by a Muslim doctor. And it seems like the NY Times and the doctor are quite offended. Since the doctor is a Muslim, I wonder what he burned to release his "offendedness." Actually, this is happening a lot more today -- except in reverse. More and more Muslims around the world (especially in England) are demanding they are served by Muslims and Muslims alone. And no one seems to condemn nor care about that when Muslims do it, but if a non-Muslim refuses treatment by a Muslim, suddenly it's "religious bigotry." But wait -- shouldn't we have freedom of association? Shouldn't we actually be free to be examined by a person who shares our morals and values? What if, during the examination, the Muslim doctor decided that you were an "infidel" and needed to convert to Islam or die? What if you accidentally said "Mohammed" in the wrong way and the Muslim doctor decided he needed to punish you for saying that and he cut your head off? These are not irrational thoughts to those who are radical Muslims. My question is: how do you determine which are the radicals and which are not? If you can't tell which ones are the radicals and the non-radicals don't speak up, your only safe choice is to assume that any Muslim you're talking to IS a radical. And therefore, it's certainly logical to not want to want a medical exam from a Muslim who may or may not be a radical who will kill you for his religion if you say or do the wrong thing (in their eyes). (H/T for the story to Raven).
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> My question is: how do you determine
> which are the radikals and which are not?
That's easy! Radikals are the baby-killers who terminate unwanted Hispanic pregnancies so that we have a majority Catholic Latino population in the USA.
Sensible medikal professionals throw human embryos in the garbage can so they cannot be used by evil medikal researchers to find cures for liver cancer and other horrible diseases that God judges bad people deserve.
> which are the radikals and which are not?
That's easy! Radikals are the baby-killers who terminate unwanted Hispanic pregnancies so that we have a majority Catholic Latino population in the USA.
Sensible medikal professionals throw human embryos in the garbage can so they cannot be used by evil medikal researchers to find cures for liver cancer and other horrible diseases that God judges bad people deserve.
Posted by: Muhammad Ali at October 16, 2007 08:18 AM (VZyOx)
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I'm sure that made sense in your head before you typed it.
Posted by: Ogre at October 16, 2007 09:55 AM (wkwq7)
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A better question would be, what if I was there seeking treatment for an injury sustained while butchering my pig - thus, covered in pig blood and bodily fluids, and having sustained a serious emergent injury, would he treat me?
Seriously though, it could happen!
Seriously though, it could happen!
Posted by: oddybobo at October 16, 2007 07:20 PM (mZfwW)
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Now you're thinking, Oddy. Can I borrow your pig so I can give this a try?
Posted by: Ogre at October 16, 2007 08:04 PM (oifEm)
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Oh, and I'll give it back when I'm done.
Posted by: Ogre at October 16, 2007 08:04 PM (oifEm)
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> > I'm sure that made sense in
> > your head before you typed it.
I was poking fun at religious beliefs (like abortion and embryonic stem cell research) where one group of believers want to write laws which disrespect the religious beliefs of others of different religious faiths.
Like our Constitution prevents Congress from passing any laws which restrict the religious freedom of our citizens.
So maybe we need an Executive Order to do that.
> > your head before you typed it.
I was poking fun at religious beliefs (like abortion and embryonic stem cell research) where one group of believers want to write laws which disrespect the religious beliefs of others of different religious faiths.
Like our Constitution prevents Congress from passing any laws which restrict the religious freedom of our citizens.
So maybe we need an Executive Order to do that.
Posted by: Muhammad Ali at October 17, 2007 05:27 AM (h1vJ/)
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Wow. You think life is a religious belief? So if my religion holds that I'm allowed to murder anyone with the letter "M" in their name, then Congress shouldn't pass a law that would stop me because it's my religion. You scare me.
Posted by: Ogre at October 17, 2007 10:46 AM (wkwq7)
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Well _YOU_ brought up the subject of "Good and Evil" and mocked a Muslim/Jewish belief that seems silly to Christians and Bhudists.
I never said anything about murder (which is still one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS, isn't it?).
PS-- the joke about an Executive Order is poking fun at the many unconstitutional E.O.'s Bush has issued.
I never said anything about murder (which is still one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS, isn't it?).
PS-- the joke about an Executive Order is poking fun at the many unconstitutional E.O.'s Bush has issued.
Posted by: Muhammad Ali at October 17, 2007 08:31 PM (CrO2/)
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Sorry, but there is a difference between religions. Islam is NOT a good religion -- they're evil. When your religion tells you to kill people for uttering a "wrong" word, that's plain evil. If you can't see that, then you simply have no basis in reality. Feel free to move to Iran and drop us a line.
Posted by: Ogre at October 18, 2007 12:05 AM (wkwq7)
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I never said Islam is a good or bad religion, I just said it (and Judaism) has a belief about pork that Christians and Buhdists may think is silly.
I challenge you to show me a quote in the Koran which tells people to kill other people. I suspect that you are repeating what is broadcast in the media; I doubt that you have much theological understanding of religion in general, but Islam in particular.
Check this out: Russian President Putin offered a new idea to resolve the nuclear situation--to the Iranians. Please note: Putin offered his idea to the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, who actually controls the Iranian nuclear program, rather than to court jester Mahmoud Ahmadinejad...although Bush continued to rant about Ahmadinejad in his press conference.
Putting esoteric religious debates aside, I think Putin is far more effective dealing with Iran than Bush has shown.
And check this out: the Iraqis are turning to China and Iran to construct electric power plants. This is particularly significant because Amerika's inability to provide electricity in Iraq has been, for average Iraqis, the most infuriating daily evidence of our ineptitude.
(Sorry, your "truth filter" requires me to use a "k" sometimes instead of a "c".)
I challenge you to show me a quote in the Koran which tells people to kill other people. I suspect that you are repeating what is broadcast in the media; I doubt that you have much theological understanding of religion in general, but Islam in particular.
Check this out: Russian President Putin offered a new idea to resolve the nuclear situation--to the Iranians. Please note: Putin offered his idea to the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, who actually controls the Iranian nuclear program, rather than to court jester Mahmoud Ahmadinejad...although Bush continued to rant about Ahmadinejad in his press conference.
Putting esoteric religious debates aside, I think Putin is far more effective dealing with Iran than Bush has shown.
And check this out: the Iraqis are turning to China and Iran to construct electric power plants. This is particularly significant because Amerika's inability to provide electricity in Iraq has been, for average Iraqis, the most infuriating daily evidence of our ineptitude.
(Sorry, your "truth filter" requires me to use a "k" sometimes instead of a "c".)
Posted by: Muhammad Ali at October 18, 2007 08:12 PM (VZyOx)
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"Kill disbelievers wherever you find them."
That's pretty darn clear to me.
And of COURSE Putin is effective dealing with Iran -- he's their friend!
That's pretty darn clear to me.
And of COURSE Putin is effective dealing with Iran -- he's their friend!
Posted by: Ogre at October 19, 2007 11:22 AM (oifEm)
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Well done!
But a chapter & verse reference would help me determine the context of that quote (it could have come from a BlackwaterUSA Pep talk :-)
Something like 2nd Timothy, Chapter 4, verse 6-7:
http://christianisrael.com/douay/B55C004.htm
I can show you many non-violent, economically successful Muslims who don't believe the quote you sent me. And that's just my personal aquaintences; a formal study would prove you wrong many times over (if you claim to apply that to all Muslims, as the Christian Germans did to all Jews during 1930's-1940's Germany -- that is just wrong, and I hope you know it).
BTW, Iran was a "coalition partner" in the "war on terror" against the Taliban in Afganistan, until Bush chose to take political advantage out of American hatred for the SAUDI ARABIANS who carried out 9-11. George Bush has a unique ability to divide Americans while uniting our enemies.
Don't you ever get the feeling they are playing chess while we are playing checkers??
And you seem noticeably quiet about Iraqis turning to China and Iran for electricity power help because the Bush administration has done absolutely ZERO to help the Iraqi PEOPLE.
But a chapter & verse reference would help me determine the context of that quote (it could have come from a BlackwaterUSA Pep talk :-)
Something like 2nd Timothy, Chapter 4, verse 6-7:
http://christianisrael.com/douay/B55C004.htm
I can show you many non-violent, economically successful Muslims who don't believe the quote you sent me. And that's just my personal aquaintences; a formal study would prove you wrong many times over (if you claim to apply that to all Muslims, as the Christian Germans did to all Jews during 1930's-1940's Germany -- that is just wrong, and I hope you know it).
BTW, Iran was a "coalition partner" in the "war on terror" against the Taliban in Afganistan, until Bush chose to take political advantage out of American hatred for the SAUDI ARABIANS who carried out 9-11. George Bush has a unique ability to divide Americans while uniting our enemies.
Don't you ever get the feeling they are playing chess while we are playing checkers??
And you seem noticeably quiet about Iraqis turning to China and Iran for electricity power help because the Bush administration has done absolutely ZERO to help the Iraqi PEOPLE.
Posted by: Muhhammad Ali at October 20, 2007 07:30 AM (VZyOx)
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Exceptions are not the rule. Those who follow the religion of Islam use to appease their god. I'm sorry that you cannot see what is right in front of your face. That's factual information, proven over and over again. Those who do not follow those instructions are simply not Muslim. Don't believe me? As the Imamns in the various mosques -- but don't expect them to tell the truth, because their religion also REQUIRES them to lie to advance their religion.
Islam is evil.
Islam is evil.
Posted by: Ogre at October 20, 2007 01:03 PM (wkwq7)
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Please tell me what is the difference between your hatred of Muslims and Christian Nazi's hatred of Jews.
Posted by: John Daley at October 23, 2007 09:52 PM (eAUyf)
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When did you stop beating your wife?
Posted by: Ogre at October 23, 2007 10:00 PM (aF6z7)
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Look, it's one thing to have "skin-head" hatred for a certain race/religion/ethic group, but it's quite another to show your hatred without even acknowledging it.
I sincerely believe that if the U.S. started sending six million Muslims into gas chambers to be murdered you would have no problem with that at all.
Right?
I sincerely believe that if the U.S. started sending six million Muslims into gas chambers to be murdered you would have no problem with that at all.
Right?
Posted by: John Daley at October 25, 2007 07:17 AM (eAUyf)
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So clearly you support wife-beating, right?
Posted by: Ogre at October 25, 2007 11:28 AM (oifEm)
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It says so in the Bible and the Koran :-)
And it's OK with you if the U.S. starts burning 6 million (or more) Muslims in crematoriums, right?
And it's OK with you if the U.S. starts burning 6 million (or more) Muslims in crematoriums, right?
Posted by: John Daley at October 25, 2007 08:58 PM (8Tq4X)
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I wonder how much shock there would be to your system if you ever visited planet earth.
Posted by: Ogre at October 25, 2007 09:20 PM (2WD8n)
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I'm just trying to guage where you would draw the line in your hatred of Muslims ... would you be OK with the U.S. killing every Muslim they could round up, or would you draw the line at something less extreme, like maybe shipping them all back to Pakistan or where ever they came from?
Posted by: Amlan Chaterjee at October 26, 2007 08:36 AM (x3vvv)
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No, you're applying your personal perceptions to my thoughts. They're wrong, but you don't care because you've already made up your mind what my thoughts are. There's clearly no point in my trying to change your mind, because you have already decided everything that I have thought or will think.
Posted by: Ogre at October 26, 2007 11:30 AM (oifEm)
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Just to clarify for a moment, you believe the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim, right?
And you are SO different than the Christian Nazis.
And you are SO different than the Christian Nazis.
Posted by: John Daley at October 27, 2007 07:14 AM (4hwtR)
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So when, exactly, did you say you stopped beating your wife?
Posted by: Ogre at October 27, 2007 12:25 PM (2WD8n)
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Like I said, I'm just trying to find out where your hatred for Muslims stops.
Is it just this blog, or do you shout obscenities to Arabs you meet on the street, too? I doubt you would do that to a strong, healthy young man, unless he was hand-cuffed.
Or do you throw dirty looks at them when they walk down the street? Maybe women or children.
You have shown no concern for the safety of those being held in Guantanamo, even the ones that U.S. Federal Courts have declared deserve the right of habeus corpus.
Oops, that's a term in our Constitution which you may be unfamiliar with.
Is it just this blog, or do you shout obscenities to Arabs you meet on the street, too? I doubt you would do that to a strong, healthy young man, unless he was hand-cuffed.
Or do you throw dirty looks at them when they walk down the street? Maybe women or children.
You have shown no concern for the safety of those being held in Guantanamo, even the ones that U.S. Federal Courts have declared deserve the right of habeus corpus.
Oops, that's a term in our Constitution which you may be unfamiliar with.
Posted by: John Daley at October 27, 2007 10:20 PM (uetv9)
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Oh, so you DO actively beat women wherever you find them. Strange that you haven't been arrested.
Posted by: Ogre at October 28, 2007 07:28 PM (2WD8n)
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I don't think you have the balls to confront a Muslim eyeball-to-eyeball without a Ku-Klux_Klan mask hiding your hateful face.
Posted by: John Daley at November 07, 2007 09:40 AM (y2s/z)
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