Mitt Romney has asked for help. Speaking of Ronald Reagan, he said:
I'm trying to think in what places we would differ.
How about a few quotes from Reagan that clearly outline the differences:
I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves.
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
The thought of being President frightens me and I do not think I want the job.
No, Mr. Romney, you're nowhere near Reagan. You believe in government. You strongly trust government. And you honestly think that government can solve problems. Government cannot solve problems, it can only create more problems.
On a scale of 1 to 10 for conservatives, where Reagan is a 10, I would rate Romney about a 3. You may fool some of the younger folk, or the folk with a short memory who don't know Reagan, but you're not fooling those who watched and studied him. And I wish you were more like Reagan -- so I could vote for you.
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Republicans insist that government _is_ the problem and then they get elected and prove it.
Let's see, Republicans have had single-party control of the Legislative, Executive, and Jusicial branches of government since Bush took office in 2001, yet Republican "True Believers" will always blame those damn "tax and spend" Democrats for all the problems of Big Government.
Posted by: RonaldReagan at August 08, 2007 12:36 AM (jWvfJ)
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They both ran for President and with an (R) they are guaranteed 30% of the vote because (R) true believers use "tax and spend" as an urban myth. Both Ronald Reagan and both Bushes ran up tremendous debts by growing government spending immensely during their terms in the White House.
The only fiscal conservative in the past 27 years has been a Democratic President who finally got the deficit under control to start paying down America's debt -- and then Bush II started raising the debt again -- over $300 billion/year goes to pay interest on (R) borrowed money.
I would guess that Romney would continue Reagan's "voodoo economics" if he wins the 2008 election.
Posted by: RonaldReagan at August 08, 2007 06:31 PM (jWvfJ)
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After reading the URL link from your post, I noticed that (R) candidates still talk about diversions (eg, "abortion") rather than serious issues (eg, "health care") that affect most people's lives.
Somehow the increased energy prices and insurance premiums don't register as a "tax" with (R) voters. That extra $10 you pay each time you fill up goes right to Iran and Saudi Arabia who, in turn, buy U.S. government debt.
The entire Bush II national debt increases has come from foreign investors. President Andrew Jackson warned that putting the U.S. government in debt to foreign governments would be a serious threat to our national security, especially in matters of war with a creditor nation.
If a Republican mentions raising taxes he would not get the nomination, but raising gas prices and insurance premiums to pay for government spending goes un-noticed by (R) voters.
Posted by: RonaldReagan at August 08, 2007 07:04 PM (jWvfJ)
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I'm really confused by this line of attack. (Yes, all you're doing is conducting an attack. You have no solution, only insults and degredation. You are part of the problem, not the solution.) You comment in an article that is directly about the desire to reduce government and begin blamestorming an entire political party. Vilification is not a proper means to get your point across. All you're doing is breeding devisiveness and presenting yourself as what one would call "a raving moonbat".
Try to discuss rather than slander.
Posted by: Gus at August 08, 2007 07:50 PM (wYeXg)
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Also, person posting as Reagan, you have twisted definitions of words -- which typically marks you as a Democrat. You claim that "tax and spend" is an "urban myth." No, that's what Democrats do. Local Democrats in NC actually admit it.
You measure "fiscal conservatism" based on a deficit. Along with Democrats, you seem to think everything is okay is there's a small deficit -- no matter how it got small: even if it was reduced by increasing spending by 200% and increasing taxes by 500%. Sorry, that's not fiscal conservatism.
You also, as Gus pointed out, seem to only view the world through your own personal prism. You have determined that abortion is a minor issue while "health care" is serious. Perhaps you could look around a bit and learn a little more before you blindly attack others based on your personal views.
Posted by: Ogre at August 08, 2007 11:09 PM (GYzrk)
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Well, I didn't mean it to be a personal attack on Republicans -- the genius of American political freedom is that different citizens can have different views on what is right and what is wrong. I was trying to debunk the popular urban myth that "tax and spend" Democrats are the sole cause of our government's precarious fiscal situation. It is a fact that Republicans had complete control of all three branches of our federal government from 2001 to 2007 -- do you disagree with that? And during those years did the federal budget shrink? Hardly. The same thing happened during Ronald Reagan's two terms. "Tax and spend" Democrats is an image, a perception, crafted by clever Madison Avenue advertising/PR firms -- without much basis in fact. Well, at the very least you must admit that (R) politicians are as big spenders as (D) politicians.
During that time the national debt increased 4-fold from what it was when Bill Clinton left office. The National Debt clock was removed from Times Square at the end of Clinton's presidency because it looked like federal debt was going to be paid down each year. Instead, the (R) president with a rubber-stamp (R) congress passed that huge tax break for the most wealthy 1,000 families in the U.S., and our nation's fiscal well-being has become much worse. Tax cuts for the middle class and poor working class could benefit our economy and also introduce more fairness in the federal tax code.
It is unfair that Romney and Kennedy pay only 15% capital gains taxes, while poor working people pay up to 43% of their paychecks to Uncle Sam (28% income tax + 15% social security taxes). In addition, tax cuts for incomes less than $200,000/year is likely to circulate in our economy, while tax cuts on incomes over $200,000 are likely to be accumulated tax-free in estates of wealthy citizens (capital gains taxes aren't paid until the capital investments are sold -- perhaps never in the case of the super-rich).
Donald Trump (R) had a reasonable solution for our national debt crisis. He suggested a ONE-TIME 15% tax on all estates over $10 million. That would pay off our national debt and provide for an IMMEDIATE $300 billion/year tax cut!
What do you think about that proposal?
Keep in mind that working people pay 15% social security taxes EVERY YEAR. But, due to sloppy bookkeeping, social security tax revenue is bundled in with general revenue, and it has been "mis-appropriated" ever since President Johnson began using it to pay for his war in Vietnam (trying to hide the true costs of the war from the American public).
The same rip-off has been happening to gas tax revenue. Instead of dedicating those funds for transportation needs (such as repairs for that bridge in Minneapolis) gas taxes have been used to pay for those "earmark" pork barrel spending by politicians -- both (R) and (D).
BTW, I am officially registered as an Independent. I would vote for Ron Paul the (R) Congressman from Texas before any of the Democratic nominees.
However, I understand that we (in this BLOG forum) clearly operate on different wave-lengths, but I was only trying to debunk the "tax and spend" myth -- (R) politicians have taken "earmark" pork to new levels, and it is disheartening to hear that dedicated (R) party supporters aren't the least bit aware of (R) spending, let alone upset by it.
I didn't mean to imply that abortion is not an important issue to many people. I'm saying that it affects the lives of far fewer people than health care does.
Posted by: RonaldReagan at August 09, 2007 12:12 AM (jWvfJ)
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No question that today's Republicans spend as much as Democrats -- which is why I don't like them. Reagan, however, was quite different. He did not have any support from the spending branch of government -- Congress -- so can hardly be blamed for spending increases.
I think your attempt to link tax cuts and deficit is simply wrong. They're unrelated. And a high deficit means, what, exactly? Nothing other than the government is spending too much -- not that they're not charging enough in taxes: difference between conservatives and liberals.
Liberals will use ANY excuse (such as a deficit) to raise taxes. Conservatives will use any excuse to LOWER taxes. If the deficit is too high, the liberal solution is to raise taxes as much as possible, without reducing any spending to lower the deficit. The conservative is to stop spending without punishing people (via taxes) to lower it.
I don't support punishing the rich for being rich. I support the fair tax -- that's completely fair to everyone. Just because you're poor, I don't see why you shouldn't have to pay taxes -- and just because you're rich, I don't see why you should have to pay more taxes. AS for Trump, if he's so serious, why doesn't he start the ball rolling? I support him voluntarily giving 15% of HIS estate -- but I bet he doesn't.
I'd also LOVE to see Paul elected! That would be awesome fun!
I'd also disagree with your claim that abortion affects less people than health care.
Posted by: Ogre at August 09, 2007 01:15 AM (GYzrk)
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Well, at least you acknowledge that "tax and spend" is sort of a phoney balony campaign hyperbole.
There is a significant difference in who is affected by Democratic Party tax increases -- Clinton's tax fell on the top 1.2% of Americans -- about 1,000 families, I believe. Check the income tax tables and you'll see that lower incomes received some tax relief. Bush's tax cuts went primarily to those same 1,000 families -- those who really don't need it.
When JFK cut taxes on the rich, the tax rate was 90% on top incomes. I believe he lowered the tax rate to 70%, and it's come down since then.
The wealth gap in America was 10-to-1 in Kennedy's day. Today, the gap is 40,000-to-1. That is not just a case of "the rich getting richer, and the poor getting poorer" -- it is the result of government tax codes and regulations that favor the rich over the poor and middle class.
The rich have lobbyists to buy influence in Washington DC. The poor have no lobbyists to represent them in DC. If anyone is being punished in America, it is the poor and middle class, not that guy who made $1.8 billion when Blackstone private capital went public.
Posted by: RonaldReagan at August 09, 2007 04:55 PM (jWvfJ)
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I absolutely despise government being a decision-maker on who "needs" money that they work for. How about I, personally, decide that you don't "need" your furniture, and I come take it all from your house. Is that okay? How about if I have a vote among 100 people and 51 vote to remove your furniture because you don't "need" it? It's morally wrong to take things that people earn because some ruler decides that they don't "need" them. That's socialism at it's core and it has failed each and every time it's tried.
If there's a gap, get the government out of the way. If there's a gap, government CAUSED the gap -- and they're utterly and totally incapable of doing anything about it other than making things worse.
Posted by: Ogre at August 09, 2007 05:00 PM (oifEm)
"Tax and spend" falls into the same category as "tax cuts for the rich". They're both cute little slogans politicians came up with to slander the other side.
So why to rich people pay a smaller percentage in taxes than poor people? Normally, rich people are smarter than poor people. Rich people understand the words "tax loophole". They actually hire people, smarter than themselves, to work on their taxes so they're lower. There are a plethora of tax bastions that the common man (or woman) can take to reduce your tax burden to next to nothing. They don't itemize, they just take what they were given, fill out a form and get some change back.
- Ever get a haircut for work? Tax deductible.
- Ever buy some new "work" clothes? Tax deductible.
- Ever drive to work? The gas is tax deductible. (so is the wear and tear on the vehicle.)
- Trying to pay off your home before the mortgage runs out, aka paying down your loan? Don't do it. You pay more in taxes than your interest if you do.
- Have you incorporated your name? There are tax cuts for doing this.
- Have over 2k in medical costs this year (including dental and checkups)? It's tax deductible.
- Did you donate anything to the salvation army this year? Completely tax deductible.
- Forget to keep the receipts for your tax deductions? Not a big problem. They don't require receipts for the first few hundred dollars.
These are just the few I'm familiar with. Our tax code gains about 20 pages of very small print every year. The "rich" don't really get more tax cuts. They just know more about them than "poor" people. That's why the rich pay less "by percentage" than many "poor" people. You can do it too.
(By raw numbers the top 1% pays more in taxes than the bottom 50%. See? I too can skew the numbers to suit my needs.)
Posted by: Gus at August 09, 2007 08:21 PM (wYeXg)
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