Cho Seung-Hui
As I'm sure most of my good readers know by now, Cho Seung-Hui is the evil, horrible, violent mass murderer that viciously slaughtered so many innocent students at Virginia Tech a couple days ago. However, you might not know that if you read the current news reports about him.
He was "depressed." Cho had paranoid schizophrenia. He is "the shooter." His family was poor. He was lonely. He was the lonliest person in the world. He is "the gunman." CBS even calls him "the suspected gunman." He felt persecuted. He was misunderstood. "We now know this quiet loner was sending troubled signals all along." He is "the bespectacled young South Korean citizen." "Nobody understood him." Folks, here's the part that the media and the liberals do not understand. HE WAS EVIL. There, I said it. All of these people, the liberals and their thought process, simply cannot comprehend it. Their worldview is that everyone is perfect and good. Therefore, they are searching for someone, or something, to blame this on. I've seen lots blame guns, Bush, Charlton Heston, the school, the teachers, the police, the college president, video games, and on and on. But I don't see anyone noticing that CHO SEUNG-HUI pulled the trigger -- over and over again. There IS evil in this world. If you can understand that, this will make sense. Cho Seung-Hui was EVIL. He was a terrible mass murderer. No, I don't really care if he was a nice guy in first grade. It doesn't matter that his family wasn't the richest in the world. HE WAS EVIL. He made a choice, and he chose evil. There is no one to blame but him -- so stop trying to make him into a victim. HE is the mass murderer. HE is the one who carefully planned how to execute dozens of innocent people. HE is the one to blame, and nothing else about his life really matters. Stop trying to be nice about this fellow. He's not the victim, the other 31 people are.
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Who is claiming that he's a victim?
I think of him the same way I think of Harris, Klebold, and all the others: Defective products created by a bad manufacturing process.
I think of him the same way I think of Harris, Klebold, and all the others: Defective products created by a bad manufacturing process.
Posted by: Weapon of Mass Disturbance at April 18, 2007 03:45 PM (0eOeQ)
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They aren't using the word "victim" in most cases yet, but you watch. They already are generally: "32 victims of the murder, including the shooter."
Posted by: Ogre at April 18, 2007 03:58 PM (oifEm)
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Not everyone thinks he's a victim.
I'm inclined in the direction of this fellow:
http://islamthreat.blogspot.com/index.html
The note the fellow left lends itself to such a tie because he railed against rich kids and debauchery. In addition, this type of attack would be the next logical move by an enemy who wants to kill us, has infiltrated the country, and subverted our laws for their own gain. Hypothetically speaking, of course.
I'm inclined in the direction of this fellow:
http://islamthreat.blogspot.com/index.html
The note the fellow left lends itself to such a tie because he railed against rich kids and debauchery. In addition, this type of attack would be the next logical move by an enemy who wants to kill us, has infiltrated the country, and subverted our laws for their own gain. Hypothetically speaking, of course.
Posted by: Steph at April 18, 2007 04:05 PM (AC9Dc)
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It certainly is possible that there's a terrorism and Islamic connection. Based on what I've seen so far, it doesn't seem likely. Usually the jihadists are not quiet, depressed, and withdrawn.
Posted by: Ogre at April 18, 2007 04:14 PM (oifEm)
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I posted something at my blog today. I don't think we should ever say his name. I think calling him "the shooter" is just fine. I don't want his name remembered at all. I don't want him to be famous or infamous. I want him to be the anonymous turd that he was.
but that's just my feeling.
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but that's just my feeling.
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Posted by: birdwoman at April 18, 2007 04:34 PM (vR7Sl)
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I don't like "the shooter" because it's too nice. I can agree with forgetting his name -- but let's call him the "mass murderer" or "violent killer."
Posted by: Ogre at April 18, 2007 04:40 PM (oifEm)
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I agree with you on this one. I was furious this morning when I saw the MSNBC headline of the "Nobody understood him". I almost went through the screen. It should have said "Lunatic kills victims"... errrrrrr... you got me pisssed again... later.
Posted by: vw bug at April 19, 2007 12:40 AM (IwPzd)
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Sorry about that! 
Posted by: Ogre at April 19, 2007 12:41 AM (kRDOE)
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If you were a jihadist alone in the midst of your "enemy"? I hope you're right and he was just a sick sick young man. It would disturb me greatly to think it was that easy.
Posted by: Steph at April 19, 2007 01:09 AM (AC9Dc)
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There's no question it is that easy. I just hope they're not doing that yet.
Posted by: Ogre at April 19, 2007 01:33 AM (kRDOE)
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You and me both. I think with the scant information the news stations play over and over ad nauseum, that it's more likely the fellow has been psychologically disturbed for many years... perhaps with a biological cause that went undetected.
While what he did in the manner he did it has some undertones of jihad, I don't think it adequately explains it for this particular murderer. There are too many inconsistencies in his "manifesto" to attribute it fully to any one thing. Some small part of him recognized that he was acting and thinking irrationally but the irrational side won.
Not withstanding that possibly outcome, it still concerns me that the news stations are teaching others how to do the same thing with the same consequences under jihad or any other cause one might invent.
I think it's important at this time to realize that empathy and sympathy are not the same things. Empathy is a state of understanding the experience of the person not necessarily with the emotional/visceral responses that are necessary for a state of sympathy. Sympathy is not necessarily understanding the experience but an identification with the emotional/visceral responses and feeling them accordingly. A rather inadequate explanation but I hope everyone gets the point.
While what he did in the manner he did it has some undertones of jihad, I don't think it adequately explains it for this particular murderer. There are too many inconsistencies in his "manifesto" to attribute it fully to any one thing. Some small part of him recognized that he was acting and thinking irrationally but the irrational side won.
Not withstanding that possibly outcome, it still concerns me that the news stations are teaching others how to do the same thing with the same consequences under jihad or any other cause one might invent.
I think it's important at this time to realize that empathy and sympathy are not the same things. Empathy is a state of understanding the experience of the person not necessarily with the emotional/visceral responses that are necessary for a state of sympathy. Sympathy is not necessarily understanding the experience but an identification with the emotional/visceral responses and feeling them accordingly. A rather inadequate explanation but I hope everyone gets the point.
Posted by: Steph at April 19, 2007 01:48 PM (AC9Dc)
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I don't know if the jihadists want to go through so much work of applying and working through the academic hoops. I think they'd just attack the school by walking in. And no, there's not really much we can do to "prevent" that from happening, either.
Good points on empathy vs. sympathy!
Good points on empathy vs. sympathy!
Posted by: Ogre at April 19, 2007 01:56 PM (oifEm)
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They won't have to apply for anything. They can be relatives of students or just plain claim a relation and do it. They know this. Jihadists did this very thing in a Russian school a few years ago. I was reading it yesterday. When I find the link again, I'll post it.
I missed the whole point of the empathy vs. sympathy that I was going to type up. I hit the post button too soon.
The point is that sympathy doesn't do anything to help anyone really, except put oneself in the same emotional state as the one with whom you're sympathizing. We (thinking feeling humans) tend to stop there and not go any further because the emotions are hard to deal with. With empathy, one can understand the event and move further into either helping or preventing. Without empathy we are doomed to keep repeating the same mistakes over and over because we have no understanding of how to prevent or help.
This is the case with the VT massacre, but it's also the case with our war against terrorism and other actions we take when we move about in the world, whether it's a block up the street, a mile down the road, or in another country altogether.
For instance, I can understand the liberals' points of views on a number of issues without buying into them. Most of their views are made from the feeling of sympathy rather than from a state of empathy where critical thought into the ramifications would take place. Once again, oversimplified, but still...
I missed the whole point of the empathy vs. sympathy that I was going to type up. I hit the post button too soon.
The point is that sympathy doesn't do anything to help anyone really, except put oneself in the same emotional state as the one with whom you're sympathizing. We (thinking feeling humans) tend to stop there and not go any further because the emotions are hard to deal with. With empathy, one can understand the event and move further into either helping or preventing. Without empathy we are doomed to keep repeating the same mistakes over and over because we have no understanding of how to prevent or help.
This is the case with the VT massacre, but it's also the case with our war against terrorism and other actions we take when we move about in the world, whether it's a block up the street, a mile down the road, or in another country altogether.
For instance, I can understand the liberals' points of views on a number of issues without buying into them. Most of their views are made from the feeling of sympathy rather than from a state of empathy where critical thought into the ramifications would take place. Once again, oversimplified, but still...
Posted by: Steph at April 19, 2007 02:48 PM (AC9Dc)
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And liberals live with feelings over reality and facts. How they feel is more important than anything else. As I just read the other day, they'd PREFER to FEEL safe rather than to BE safe (dang, where's that link?).
Posted by: Ogre at April 19, 2007 02:52 PM (oifEm)
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Yes, they do, and while admirable for being able to feel so strongly, if they stop there, they are like the ball in the pin ball machine in the hands of a master player, constantly bounced off one flipper or another and the objects placed in the directions they are being sent never able to settle until the player ends the game.
Posted by: Steph at April 19, 2007 03:47 PM (AC9Dc)
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That's true. It is much easier to manipulate feelings than facts -- well, for those who live in the real world -- unlike liberals. Maybe that's why they're so loose with facts - -because they're used to changing emotions all the time, so they feel free to change facts just as easily.
Posted by: Ogre at April 19, 2007 04:39 PM (oifEm)
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These guys remind me of the dogs who turn on their owners after being kicked once too many times. Cruelty just doesn't pay sometimes.
Posted by: Weapon of Mass Disturbance at April 19, 2007 07:46 PM (0eOeQ)
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I haven't seen any evidence of any cruelty by anyone to this guy. All the stuff that's come out on his video just shows views into a terribly delusional mind, completely detached from reality.
Posted by: Ogre at April 19, 2007 11:49 PM (kRDOE)
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I would not say popular but I am well known and a social butterfly. In my opinion I would not say it is one single persons fault. I mean yes Cho pulled the trigger but he was not mentally stable. He did not get the help that should have been provided to him. I mean as long as you can tell the people your name, date, age, birthday, and where you are, they are not going to institutionalize the person. I mean a big sign to the University would have been when Nicky Giovanni gave them an altamatum. I mean that is a hint that the bot was extremely disturbed. I mean This is the systems fault mostly because our mentally ill patients are taken care of like they are suppose to be. I am a sixteen year old female and I see this. Cho had a point in everything he said, he just did not go about it the right way. I believe he wanted the help and was waiting to get it but they "spilled his blood" that is why they have "blood on there hand that won't wash off."
Posted by: LeAndra Frank at April 20, 2007 10:36 PM (OIAQC)
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"The system's fault?" Yuck.
Now, if you want to complain about the mental health system and the fact that no one is allowed to be institutionalized, look to the liberals who dismantled the state mental health systems in the 70s and 80s claiming all people and all viewpoints were equally valid...
The reason mental health people like this are allowed free is because liberals refuse to lock them up.
Now, if you want to complain about the mental health system and the fact that no one is allowed to be institutionalized, look to the liberals who dismantled the state mental health systems in the 70s and 80s claiming all people and all viewpoints were equally valid...
The reason mental health people like this are allowed free is because liberals refuse to lock them up.
Posted by: Ogre at April 23, 2007 12:01 AM (kRDOE)
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