Defense of Property?
So, are you allowed to defend your own property in America?
No. Of course, to even consider this question, you have to actually believe you can OWN property in America -- and you simply cannot. If you think you own property, I challenge you to not pay your yearly rent to your Lord and Master and watch how quickly you find yourself arrested and in your own personal 6x8 space. This time it's Sacramento (what a shock) that has determined that it is a felony to attempt to defend your own property. This case is about a man who was approached by 3 teenagers at 3am at his home. Now stop right there and imagine that situation. It's 3:00 in the morning. 3 teenagers who you don't know are coming towards you outside your own home. I'm betting they weren't wearing suits and ties. So what are you thinking? Apparently, these three thugs were trying to steal the man's car. He shot one of the slimeballs in the chest. So, as usual in a land dominated by lefist thought, the car thief goes free and the crime victim goes to jail on a felony charge with a $30,000 bail. The argument, according to the thugs in Sacramento with blue uniforms is:What we try to stress to people is that deadly force, the use of a firearm, is never justified under any circumstances to protect property.
Know what? That's just plain wrong. I'm sure I'll get heat for this, and I'm not saying that you can shoot someone who steals a paper clip from you; but you should absolutely be able to defend yourself and your property by whatever means are necessary and reasonable. Being approached at 3:00am by three unknown teenagers is certainly reasonable grounds to assume the worst. This man did absolutely nothing wrong -- the teenagers who attacked him did. Of course, the big mistake made by the man was that he was honest. In today's current legal system in America, being honest will only get you in trouble. You see, if the man had uttered the magical seven words, this would be a completely different situation -- even if they weren't true: "I was in fear for my life." But that is the reality of today's horrible, degenerate, backwards "civilization" in America: the guilty are free, crime victims are punished, and being honest with the "authorities" only makes things worse. Oh, how I yearn for freedom.
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Ogre - Texas recently approved "the castle doctrine" which clearly states that no one in the state has a "duty to retreat" before using deadly force. Unfortunately, in this situation, it would not apply, as it states the only time I (as a Texan) can use my firearm (and I own one, have a license to carry it, I do carry it, know how to use it, and so on, cold dead hands, you know) can use "force" to protect my home/car/business is if I am in it, and am in fear for my life. One good piece of advice to anyone.
If approached by thieves/idiots/wackjobs/whatever, IF you use your weapon, EMPTY THE CLIP and keep pulling the trigger until the gun is PRIED FROM YOUR HANDS! Trust me, you probably will anyone, but this only re-enforces the view of "being in fear", but if you are in fear, you'll do just what I said above. Also, remember, you did not draw and use your weapon to kill the attacker, you were only trying to "stop the attack", remember that line!
If approached by thieves/idiots/wackjobs/whatever, IF you use your weapon, EMPTY THE CLIP and keep pulling the trigger until the gun is PRIED FROM YOUR HANDS! Trust me, you probably will anyone, but this only re-enforces the view of "being in fear", but if you are in fear, you'll do just what I said above. Also, remember, you did not draw and use your weapon to kill the attacker, you were only trying to "stop the attack", remember that line!
Posted by: Smokey at April 08, 2007 03:30 AM (FP0+7)
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It's a shame that you have to give instructions to follow in order to avoid being punished for defending yourself. And TX now requires a "license" to exercise 2nd amendment rights? Things are worse than I thought.
Posted by: Ogre at April 08, 2007 11:40 AM (1gBFf)
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A cop friend of mine suggested the same thing.
I remember a few years back when I found out about personal property tax - where if you have anything of value (cars, art, jewels, etc) in certain states they can even thax that on a yearly basis. I was in total shock.
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I remember a few years back when I found out about personal property tax - where if you have anything of value (cars, art, jewels, etc) in certain states they can even thax that on a yearly basis. I was in total shock.
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Posted by: birdwoman at April 09, 2007 12:04 AM (Sc2Wh)
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NC has personal property taxes. They're crushing.
But yes, the magic words that should come with every firearm sale, are "I was in fear for my life." At 6'1 and 200lbs, that's harder for me to pull off than most women.
But yes, the magic words that should come with every firearm sale, are "I was in fear for my life." At 6'1 and 200lbs, that's harder for me to pull off than most women.
Posted by: Ogre at April 09, 2007 12:12 AM (1gBFf)
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At least while I lived there, in TX you could shoot people who were running away with your property. Threat to you over...but they had no right to your property and you had the right to do what was necessary and within your power to do in order to recover that property.
And Ogre, don't you think you could pass yourself off as a 6'1, 200lb compassionate type, prone to fearing for your life when people say, "boo?" The big teddy bear type?
And Ogre, don't you think you could pass yourself off as a 6'1, 200lb compassionate type, prone to fearing for your life when people say, "boo?" The big teddy bear type?
Posted by: Dana at April 09, 2007 04:55 AM (GqmxR)
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That's how it ought to be, Dana, but more and more I'm seeing that's not the case any more. Deadly force is simply not permitted in a liberal society by anyone -- well, except for government representatives because they know better.
And I can go for the "Teddy Bear" look, but I have a hard time selling it...
And I can go for the "Teddy Bear" look, but I have a hard time selling it...
Posted by: Ogre at April 09, 2007 10:57 AM (oifEm)
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i have had to draw my weapon twice in my life, the first time was to stop a fleeing inmate that had jumped the fence at the county jail and was running down the sidewalk still in his jumpsuit... the CO that took my statement threatened to have me put in jail for improper display of a firearm...
the second time was oddly similar to the above mentioned story.. i was approached in a parking lot by two black "youths" at around 2 AM... i had a giant yellow "rob me" sign on top of my car (pizza delivery) and it was very apparent from the way they were walking that they weren't selling Girl scout cookies... they were intelligent enough to back off once they saw that i was armed, but things could have turned out much differently... i will say this much... i have enough experience with my carry weapon that it would have only taken my first two shots to down both of them... but you can bet your ass that i would have emptied all my rounds in their direction... the first thing i was taught in weapons training is that a person in fear for their life never fires just one shot... the second thing i learned is that a person in fear for their life never has all his rounds hit their target....
i bought my handgun because of my profession and the fact that i was commonly carrying upwards of $600 in cash after 2 am in areas that were rather unsafe... but when i bought the weapon, i made sure that i knew how to use it... i spent hours at the range and went through over 5000 rounds of ammo before i would carry it... i knew that i had to be able to draw blind and hit my target every time or it wasn't something that i needed to carry... most importantly i knew that it wasn't a toy and that its sole purpose was to stop a very bad situation from getting worse... just before i bought it, one of my co-workers was pistol-whipped and robbed at gunpoint, and the robber took his wallet... i was determined that no one would get my identification and my home address that easily...
unfortunately a lot of states have very draconian gun laws that require law abiding citizens to jump through hoops that most criminals don't bother with... the one that i think is the most ridiculous are the laws against assault rifles/automatic weapons... as if the guy that robs the local gas station is going to use a $9,000 gun to do it... 98% of all gun crime happens with a weapon that costs less than $300... but for some reason they ban the ones that cost a small fortune...
the second time was oddly similar to the above mentioned story.. i was approached in a parking lot by two black "youths" at around 2 AM... i had a giant yellow "rob me" sign on top of my car (pizza delivery) and it was very apparent from the way they were walking that they weren't selling Girl scout cookies... they were intelligent enough to back off once they saw that i was armed, but things could have turned out much differently... i will say this much... i have enough experience with my carry weapon that it would have only taken my first two shots to down both of them... but you can bet your ass that i would have emptied all my rounds in their direction... the first thing i was taught in weapons training is that a person in fear for their life never fires just one shot... the second thing i learned is that a person in fear for their life never has all his rounds hit their target....
i bought my handgun because of my profession and the fact that i was commonly carrying upwards of $600 in cash after 2 am in areas that were rather unsafe... but when i bought the weapon, i made sure that i knew how to use it... i spent hours at the range and went through over 5000 rounds of ammo before i would carry it... i knew that i had to be able to draw blind and hit my target every time or it wasn't something that i needed to carry... most importantly i knew that it wasn't a toy and that its sole purpose was to stop a very bad situation from getting worse... just before i bought it, one of my co-workers was pistol-whipped and robbed at gunpoint, and the robber took his wallet... i was determined that no one would get my identification and my home address that easily...
unfortunately a lot of states have very draconian gun laws that require law abiding citizens to jump through hoops that most criminals don't bother with... the one that i think is the most ridiculous are the laws against assault rifles/automatic weapons... as if the guy that robs the local gas station is going to use a $9,000 gun to do it... 98% of all gun crime happens with a weapon that costs less than $300... but for some reason they ban the ones that cost a small fortune...
Posted by: chris at April 09, 2007 01:21 PM (rBjHa)
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Excellent, and accurate, points!
I drew a gun once myself. I had just closed the local Quick-E-Mart at 2am and was in the parking lot, alone. A very loud and boisterous group of "youths" crossed the (very busy 4-lane) street when they saw me walking to my vehicle. One of them smashed a bottle on the ground (of malt liquor) as they got closer.
I tell you, it's just amazing the power the sound of a semi-auto shotgun chambering a round can have. I don't know the last time I've seen people scatter and run like that.
Would I have shot them? I was outnumbered about 6-1. I would have emptied the gun. Very unfortunately, the only survivors would have been those that ran quickly. And very fortunately, they chose to run!
I drew a gun once myself. I had just closed the local Quick-E-Mart at 2am and was in the parking lot, alone. A very loud and boisterous group of "youths" crossed the (very busy 4-lane) street when they saw me walking to my vehicle. One of them smashed a bottle on the ground (of malt liquor) as they got closer.
I tell you, it's just amazing the power the sound of a semi-auto shotgun chambering a round can have. I don't know the last time I've seen people scatter and run like that.
Would I have shot them? I was outnumbered about 6-1. I would have emptied the gun. Very unfortunately, the only survivors would have been those that ran quickly. And very fortunately, they chose to run!
Posted by: Ogre at April 09, 2007 01:36 PM (oifEm)
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you aren't lying... there is something about the sound of a pump action shotgun cocking that makes people see things your way... its amazing how quickly people re-think their stance on an issue
Posted by: chris at April 09, 2007 02:06 PM (rBjHa)
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And it's amazing how many people can so quickly and easily recognize that sound...
Posted by: Ogre at April 09, 2007 02:38 PM (oifEm)
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even people that have never in their life even fired a gun know that sound... its odd
Posted by: chris at April 09, 2007 02:56 PM (rBjHa)
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I bet Democrat politicians know that sound, too...
Posted by: Ogre at April 09, 2007 02:59 PM (oifEm)
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