Winchester Model 1300 Defender
Today is indeed a good day. I just bought one of these:
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Very nice! I'm jealous.
Posted by: Always On Watch at July 15, 2006 06:24 PM (Ffvoi)
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HEY, that's nice! I want one too. Can I come help you test it? I'll bring food and iced tea for while we are out, and beer/sammiches for after.
Posted by: Smokey at July 15, 2006 09:15 PM (DiOns)
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Come on over! If you're bringing all that, I'll spring for a pile of clays!
Posted by: Ogre at July 15, 2006 09:32 PM (o2crh)
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No Democrat would want to stop you from buying THAT you stupid idiot. I'll say it again, there are as many Democrats that want to ban guns like that one as there are Republicans who want to bomb abortion clinics and think Jesus will be proud of them.
Personally, I always preferred my double barrel, if you can't hit it with one shot, modified or full choke, then you shouldn't be shooting.
Personally, I always preferred my double barrel, if you can't hit it with one shot, modified or full choke, then you shouldn't be shooting.
Posted by: Robert P at July 15, 2006 11:25 PM (ahl/o)
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Wrong yet again. Here is one big list of Democrats who would do anything they could to stop me from buying this gun:
Akaka (D-HI), Boxer (D-CA), Clinton (D-NY), Dodd (D-CT), Durbin (D-IL), Feinstein (D-CA), Harkin (D-IA), Inouye (D-HI), Kennedy (D-MA), Lautenberg (D-NJ), Levin (D-MI), Menendez (D-NJ), Mikulski (D-MD), Reed (D-RI), Sarbanes (D-MD), Schumer (D-NY)
Akaka (D-HI), Boxer (D-CA), Clinton (D-NY), Dodd (D-CT), Durbin (D-IL), Feinstein (D-CA), Harkin (D-IA), Inouye (D-HI), Kennedy (D-MA), Lautenberg (D-NJ), Levin (D-MI), Menendez (D-NJ), Mikulski (D-MD), Reed (D-RI), Sarbanes (D-MD), Schumer (D-NY)
Posted by: Ogre at July 15, 2006 11:27 PM (o2crh)
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So you got one. Now think about it. Your neighbor also has one. So has the guy down the street. To make sure you are always on top, better buy one for the misses also.
Feel safe already?
I bet it was pretty expensive.
By the way, do you have kids? If so, better tell 'm not to play with it.
How many people are killed by guns in the US every year? Is that higher or lower than Honduras?
Feel safe already?
I bet it was pretty expensive.
By the way, do you have kids? If so, better tell 'm not to play with it.
How many people are killed by guns in the US every year? Is that higher or lower than Honduras?
Posted by: richard at July 16, 2006 01:17 PM (ORbHW)
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And it's not the Democrats that should have stopped you. Your mum should have.
Posted by: richard at July 16, 2006 01:19 PM (ORbHW)
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Yup, I do feel safe.
I've used one similar to this to protect myself before and it worked. And no one had to die, either -- especially me.
How many people die in car accidents a year in the US? Is that higher or lower than in Liechtenstein?
I've used one similar to this to protect myself before and it worked. And no one had to die, either -- especially me.
How many people die in car accidents a year in the US? Is that higher or lower than in Liechtenstein?
Posted by: Ogre at July 16, 2006 01:35 PM (o2crh)
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Welcome aboard the Hillbilly Ecosystem!!!
Posted by: butch at July 16, 2006 05:04 PM (lRmHb)
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Thank you! I think this was indeed a good post to start out with for that one, eh?
Posted by: Ogre at July 16, 2006 06:05 PM (o2crh)
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Mmmmm, gun pr0n!
Hey, Ogre... The Beloved Husband and I are kinda-sorta starting to look for a good shotgun. It's going to have to be something *I* can handle, but also some proper stopping power.
So, any suggestions for a gun which would be a good compromise?
-- Kat
www.CatHouseChat.com
Hey, Ogre... The Beloved Husband and I are kinda-sorta starting to look for a good shotgun. It's going to have to be something *I* can handle, but also some proper stopping power.
So, any suggestions for a gun which would be a good compromise?
-- Kat
www.CatHouseChat.com
Posted by: Kat at July 16, 2006 07:58 PM (qUL/P)
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They call this one the "defender" for a reason.
This one has an 18-inch barrel (the shortest legal length), so it's not very heavy. It's a 12-gage, so you can get about any load in it. Best of all, it's a pump and every single bad-guy on the planet knows that sound.
Unfortunately, this one is a Winchester, and from what I understand, they're not making them any more. It might take a little looking to find one of these.
This one has an 18-inch barrel (the shortest legal length), so it's not very heavy. It's a 12-gage, so you can get about any load in it. Best of all, it's a pump and every single bad-guy on the planet knows that sound.
Unfortunately, this one is a Winchester, and from what I understand, they're not making them any more. It might take a little looking to find one of these.
Posted by: Ogre at July 16, 2006 08:07 PM (o2crh)
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Oh, and Richard, my husband and I *DO* have a child. We also live in the country, where guns are the norm.
THEREFORE, I am a responsible parent and give our child solid training in how to handle a gun, and WHEN TO GET OUT if someone *else* is handling a gun improperly.
I don't keep my child away from all possibility of harm: I train her to threat assess and make wise and informed decisions. Ultimately, when she's out of my supervision, she will have been trained in the skills to avoid and manage trouble, instead of encountering bad situations with no preparation at all.
I plan to raise an ADULT, not an eternally co-dependent, whining baby who can't take care of itself.
-- Kat
www.CatHouseChat.com
THEREFORE, I am a responsible parent and give our child solid training in how to handle a gun, and WHEN TO GET OUT if someone *else* is handling a gun improperly.
I don't keep my child away from all possibility of harm: I train her to threat assess and make wise and informed decisions. Ultimately, when she's out of my supervision, she will have been trained in the skills to avoid and manage trouble, instead of encountering bad situations with no preparation at all.
I plan to raise an ADULT, not an eternally co-dependent, whining baby who can't take care of itself.
-- Kat
www.CatHouseChat.com
Posted by: Kat at July 16, 2006 08:09 PM (qUL/P)
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I actually had fun in the store I was in where I bought the gun. When I was waiting for all the federal paperwork, a kid came up to me and asked me a question. I explained exactly how the gun worked and showed him how to chamber a round.
(With his parent's permission, of course)
(With his parent's permission, of course)
Posted by: Ogre at July 16, 2006 08:12 PM (o2crh)
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In the infamous words of that ignoramous George W. Bush: "Just wait."
Posted by: Len at July 16, 2006 11:56 PM (QpPFe)
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For what?
Posted by: Ogre at July 17, 2006 12:00 AM (o2crh)
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Nice amigo. Nice.
Posted by: Big White Hat at July 17, 2006 02:21 AM (0/c8m)
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Looks like a fun addition (or start of) your collection! Yeah, teach your kids that it's not a toy and treat is just as you would anything else in the house that could harm them.
I laugh in the face of everyone who says that guns are too dangerous to have in a house with kids, but think nothing of buying household chemicals. Niether are more dangerous than the other, but you can't convince short-sighted people of that.
FACT: in 2003 there were 102 accidental deaths of kids 0-17 in the United States.
FACT: that same year, there were 287 accidental poisonings in the same age group.
:: source: CDC Website: http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html :::
Go ahead and play with the site for awhile, it is fun and informative!! ;~D
I laugh in the face of everyone who says that guns are too dangerous to have in a house with kids, but think nothing of buying household chemicals. Niether are more dangerous than the other, but you can't convince short-sighted people of that.
FACT: in 2003 there were 102 accidental deaths of kids 0-17 in the United States.
FACT: that same year, there were 287 accidental poisonings in the same age group.
:: source: CDC Website: http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html :::
Go ahead and play with the site for awhile, it is fun and informative!! ;~D
Posted by: ParaTed2k at July 17, 2006 03:07 AM (ngLJ+)
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Gun Porn, Gun Porn, Gun Porn, I love Gun Porn.
I am green with envey.
The Winchester Defender is nice.
I am green with envey.
The Winchester Defender is nice.
Posted by: Michael at July 17, 2006 04:04 AM (W0Vxv)
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Thanks, everyone.
ParaTed2k, you're dead on. Exactly right -- and it's a nice addition to a collection that's starting to outgrow it's own display case...
It's my first pump shotgun, but not my first shotgun. Next on the dream shopping list is a .45-cal level action rifle -- just because they're neat.
ParaTed2k, you're dead on. Exactly right -- and it's a nice addition to a collection that's starting to outgrow it's own display case...
It's my first pump shotgun, but not my first shotgun. Next on the dream shopping list is a .45-cal level action rifle -- just because they're neat.
Posted by: Ogre at July 17, 2006 08:52 AM (o2crh)
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"If gun kill people then spoons made Oprah fat."
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."
Posted by: The Reckoning at July 17, 2006 12:37 PM (mQauu)
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Og:
Looks like an excellent home defense weapon. Do you load your own? I heard of a guy who kept his "progressively" loaded: rubber pellets, half-bird, full-bird, buck. He figured that gave him license to unload freely with built-in warning shots and not worry about killing anyone -- at first.
Looks like an excellent home defense weapon. Do you load your own? I heard of a guy who kept his "progressively" loaded: rubber pellets, half-bird, full-bird, buck. He figured that gave him license to unload freely with built-in warning shots and not worry about killing anyone -- at first.
Posted by: JAT at July 17, 2006 01:53 PM (dH2ZC)
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No, I don't load my own.
But I used to keep mine loaded that way, too. However, in today's legal society, it's acutally worse for the perp to survive injured. Mine is loaded with buck shot and slugs. The only warning the scum gets is the sound of the pump chambering a round.
But I used to keep mine loaded that way, too. However, in today's legal society, it's acutally worse for the perp to survive injured. Mine is loaded with buck shot and slugs. The only warning the scum gets is the sound of the pump chambering a round.
Posted by: Ogre at July 17, 2006 01:58 PM (/k+l4)
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Ogre,
Show me one fact that suggests those Dems would want to stop you from buying a pump shotgun. One fact. I might be wrong, just show me the fact. Not some talking point from the NRA, just a fact. Not about street sweepers or automatic weapons, a fact about pump shotguns. Just one.
Show me one fact that suggests those Dems would want to stop you from buying a pump shotgun. One fact. I might be wrong, just show me the fact. Not some talking point from the NRA, just a fact. Not about street sweepers or automatic weapons, a fact about pump shotguns. Just one.
Posted by: Robert P at July 17, 2006 06:46 PM (5swqh)
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Their vote opposing the government being allowed to seize and confiscate weapons at will.
Posted by: Ogre at July 17, 2006 07:01 PM (/k+l4)
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Oh, and the magazine capacity is "too large" for them -- votes re: weapon bans.
Posted by: Ogre at July 17, 2006 07:02 PM (/k+l4)
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And let's not forget Feinstein, in referring to this exact gun:
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate...for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have done it!"
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate...for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have done it!"
Posted by: Ogre at July 17, 2006 07:31 PM (/k+l4)
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Uhmmm, which vote was it that would have allowed the government to seize and confiscate weapons at will?
How many shots does that short barrel allow? Can't be more than five, right?
Can you link to the Feinstein quote where she said that about this gun.
To recap:
1. There was no vote to ban hunting rifles and shotguns, like this one, ever.
2. Your shotgun might have an unbelievable capacity to hold ammo, but in general there is no vote to ban shotguns that hold a reasonable amount of ammo.
3. There MIGHT be one quote from ONE Democrat saying it was okay to ban this gun.
How many shots does that short barrel allow? Can't be more than five, right?
Can you link to the Feinstein quote where she said that about this gun.
To recap:
1. There was no vote to ban hunting rifles and shotguns, like this one, ever.
2. Your shotgun might have an unbelievable capacity to hold ammo, but in general there is no vote to ban shotguns that hold a reasonable amount of ammo.
3. There MIGHT be one quote from ONE Democrat saying it was okay to ban this gun.
Posted by: Robert P at July 17, 2006 07:44 PM (5swqh)
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That was the vote that failed in the Senate last week. I mentioned it here: http://ogresview.mu.nu/archives/186094.php
I can get six in the barrel. That's "too many"
Feinstein's quote is common, general knowledge, search the internet and it will come up quickly. It was about 1994.
And yes, if I put the dreaded "pistol grip" on this gun, it would fit in that category of "evil assault weapons." They were banned, even if you deny that.
The Democrats listed hate guns, period. You don't have to admit it for it to be true. You can like shotguns all you like, but Schumer and Feinstein are staunch absolute haters of ANY firearm in my hands, ever, under any circumstances.
I can get six in the barrel. That's "too many"
Feinstein's quote is common, general knowledge, search the internet and it will come up quickly. It was about 1994.
And yes, if I put the dreaded "pistol grip" on this gun, it would fit in that category of "evil assault weapons." They were banned, even if you deny that.
The Democrats listed hate guns, period. You don't have to admit it for it to be true. You can like shotguns all you like, but Schumer and Feinstein are staunch absolute haters of ANY firearm in my hands, ever, under any circumstances.
Posted by: Ogre at July 17, 2006 07:53 PM (/k+l4)
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Holy cow. I just realized something while driving home. Robert P, you actually believe what you're typing. You're not just being a pain or a troll, you honestly believe that Schumer, Feinstein, Clinton, and others actually don't want to ban guns!
Wow. I'm amazed at the incredible, willful ignorance you have to employ to have those beliefs. I guess that's why those people keep lying -- people like you actually believe them.
Wow. I'm amazed at the incredible, willful ignorance you have to employ to have those beliefs. I guess that's why those people keep lying -- people like you actually believe them.
Posted by: Ogre at July 17, 2006 09:48 PM (o2crh)
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That's funny because I am constantly amazed that you buy the right-wing talking points like "Democrats want to take away your guns, burn your bible, and turn you all into homosexuals."
But, I guess that is why large corporations keep telling the right-wing spokespeople to spout those lies, because people like you buy them. Did you notice that once again you can't prove any facts to back up what you said?
See, when I make an argument, I can provide facts. You can't. That means, wait for it, YOU ARE WRONG. Your talking points are just that, talking points. Lies, exaggerations. If you can't back them up with independent verification, then it's a lie.
But, I guess that is why large corporations keep telling the right-wing spokespeople to spout those lies, because people like you buy them. Did you notice that once again you can't prove any facts to back up what you said?
See, when I make an argument, I can provide facts. You can't. That means, wait for it, YOU ARE WRONG. Your talking points are just that, talking points. Lies, exaggerations. If you can't back them up with independent verification, then it's a lie.
Posted by: Robert P at July 17, 2006 11:22 PM (ahl/o)
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p.s. Yes Democrats and most sportsmen with a brain want to ban street sweepers, true assault rifles, and Saturday night specials. Yes, we think people should have to register their guns. NO, it's not so they can be taken away some day (what a stupid talking point).
And, yes there are some Democrats that want all guns banned (as in some foreign countries). That is NOT at all a "Democratic" position, just as murdering doctors that carry out emergency abortion is a "Republican" position. They are both extremists positions that will never see the light of day. You are welcome to fight that battle since I don't agree with it either. Of course, it is a HUGE waste of time, but that seems to be what your leaders want you to do. So, go about it, mindlessly, carelessly, stupidly.
And, yes there are some Democrats that want all guns banned (as in some foreign countries). That is NOT at all a "Democratic" position, just as murdering doctors that carry out emergency abortion is a "Republican" position. They are both extremists positions that will never see the light of day. You are welcome to fight that battle since I don't agree with it either. Of course, it is a HUGE waste of time, but that seems to be what your leaders want you to do. So, go about it, mindlessly, carelessly, stupidly.
Posted by: Robert P at July 17, 2006 11:26 PM (ahl/o)
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Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're not facts. In your dream world, you clearly make up your own facts. But here in the real world, facts are facts. You once seemed capable of intelligent conversation, but I'm going to have to go with the initial reaction to your insanity-laced rants: you're a raving lunatic who wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the face.
Posted by: Ogre at July 17, 2006 11:53 PM (o2crh)
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Wow. It's funny, it's like we're Superman and Bizarro. We could not be more complete polar opposites. I think the psychologists are correct, we are completely locked into our beliefs and nothing the other one says makes any difference. I see you as just another Kool-aid drinker, who believes whatever they are TOLD and never looks for independent verification. But, maybe that is just because I am a scientist and I don't take anything for granted. I insist on facts and verifiable information.
Posted by: Robert P at July 18, 2006 12:04 AM (ahl/o)
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Sure, you look for facts -- facts in bizarro world. You believe only what you want, period. Anything that conflicts with your world is simply not true in your mind. It's scary that I can provide you with facts and they have absolutely no effect on you. Instead, you go into some wacko rant that has absolutely nothing to do with anything I've posted, the current post, or anything I've ever said or believed.
I could provide you with scientific evidence of how and why the sky is blue and you'd complain that I hate homosexuals and want to destroy all the rainforests. Yes, insanity is scary.
I could provide you with scientific evidence of how and why the sky is blue and you'd complain that I hate homosexuals and want to destroy all the rainforests. Yes, insanity is scary.
Posted by: Ogre at July 18, 2006 12:11 AM (o2crh)
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Oh, my God. Okay, I give up on you. I do think you are intelligent. I just think you want to be one of the sheeple and do whatever Newt and gang tell you to do.
Dear readers, if you look back through you will find one link in all of Ogre's rantings, linking back to another of his rants. He has no facts or else he would show them. He only knows what Rush, Sean, and Rove tell him.
Bye, bye Ogre. Someday we'll be at the same bar watching football, downing beer, eating jalapeno poppers and frieds and never even know we hate each other.
Dear readers, if you look back through you will find one link in all of Ogre's rantings, linking back to another of his rants. He has no facts or else he would show them. He only knows what Rush, Sean, and Rove tell him.
Bye, bye Ogre. Someday we'll be at the same bar watching football, downing beer, eating jalapeno poppers and frieds and never even know we hate each other.
Posted by: Robert P at July 19, 2006 12:54 AM (ahl/o)
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Thank you for so eloquently proving my point. Still don't get it? Watch once again:
Hey Robert P., the sky is blue. No, I don't have any links. Therefore, in Robert P's world, the sky isn't blue because I said it was.
Bye, Robert. Perhaps one day you will join the rest of us in the real world -- but I doubt it because it so conflicts with the imaginary world in which you live.
Hey Robert P., the sky is blue. No, I don't have any links. Therefore, in Robert P's world, the sky isn't blue because I said it was.
Bye, Robert. Perhaps one day you will join the rest of us in the real world -- but I doubt it because it so conflicts with the imaginary world in which you live.
Posted by: Ogre at July 19, 2006 09:07 AM (o2crh)
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