Legislature Pay Raises
This post is for the State Employees of North Carolina, and especially for those State Employees that support and endorse Democrat politicians. This year, 600 workers at the legislature building (state employees) got larger pay raises than other state workers.
How is that possible? Remember those slush funds of Jim Black, Richard Morgan, and Marc Basnight? They "set aside" some tax dollars for "operations" of the building, and then decided to use it for pay raises. Please note, I did not say the pay raises were VOTED upon. Instead, these Democrats used their power to give away tax money to some state workers, but not others. Jim Black says it was too expensive to give raises to all state workers, so he simply picked out the ones he liked and gave THEM a raise. Keep in mind that the average salary of these workers is $45,000, while the average state employee salary is $38,000. Democrat state employees, I think you need to think again who you want to support in the elections. And yes, this is the same Legislature that has cut spending "to the bone."
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Posted by: superman at July 29, 2005 07:32 AM (YBdyI)
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Posted by: Ogre at July 29, 2005 09:20 AM (/k+l4)
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I read all the posts you put on NC and I can honestly say, I never want to live there. I never had this big pull to live there anyway, but after what I've read about your state politics it is way way way low on my list of places I ever really want to go. Blech.
Which is good for y'all in NC because y'all are suffering from over crowding, I am sure!
Which is good for y'all in NC because y'all are suffering from over crowding, I am sure!
Posted by: Bou at July 29, 2005 09:45 AM (5JHEt)
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But, but...the weather's nice!
No, really, that's the largest draw, I think, to the state-- really good weather. Snowstorms are very seldom, no earthquakes, very few hurricanes (and those that do hit are relatively weak), very few tornadoes, etc., etc. Tons and tons of sunshine without getting too hot; freezing temperature almost never exists.
Also, there's the business bribes. I know quite a few people who have moved here for business, and while the business climate is pretty bad, new businesses will get bribed with HUGE cash piles, and the banks have total control over the legislature, so the huge bank HQs will not move.
That's enough to keep people from leaving in droves -- and the weather.
No, really, that's the largest draw, I think, to the state-- really good weather. Snowstorms are very seldom, no earthquakes, very few hurricanes (and those that do hit are relatively weak), very few tornadoes, etc., etc. Tons and tons of sunshine without getting too hot; freezing temperature almost never exists.
Also, there's the business bribes. I know quite a few people who have moved here for business, and while the business climate is pretty bad, new businesses will get bribed with HUGE cash piles, and the banks have total control over the legislature, so the huge bank HQs will not move.
That's enough to keep people from leaving in droves -- and the weather.
Posted by: Ogre at July 29, 2005 10:01 AM (/k+l4)
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I see our sister state is following our path nicely here in PA.
Our legislature just voted themselves a hefty raise. Up to 34% for the top dogs.
The public didn't hear much of this at all until after the vote (which was cast at 2 AM).
There are quite a few members that won't even accept the raise and are donating it for scholarships and charity. I guess they must have an election coming up.
Now Pa legislators are second highest paid in the nation.
We also have more legislators than every state except one.
Beat that one Ogre, NC legs are rookies compared to PA.
Our legislature just voted themselves a hefty raise. Up to 34% for the top dogs.
The public didn't hear much of this at all until after the vote (which was cast at 2 AM).
There are quite a few members that won't even accept the raise and are donating it for scholarships and charity. I guess they must have an election coming up.
Now Pa legislators are second highest paid in the nation.
We also have more legislators than every state except one.
Beat that one Ogre, NC legs are rookies compared to PA.
Posted by: tomslick at July 29, 2005 10:39 AM (xNjHI)
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Holy crap -- PA legislators get $81,000? NC idiots get in the $20-30K range (plus bribes and slush funds, of course).
I'd bet the one state that has more legislators than you is New Hampshire -- did you know they have 400 representatives in their government? Now THAT'S representative government!
The next competition will be to see which legislature is more corrupt...
I'd bet the one state that has more legislators than you is New Hampshire -- did you know they have 400 representatives in their government? Now THAT'S representative government!
The next competition will be to see which legislature is more corrupt...
Posted by: Ogre at July 29, 2005 11:02 AM (/k+l4)
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This year the PA. legislature gave themselves and other state workers a healthy pay raise, too bad they can't seem to find the initiative to balance the budget though.
Posted by: Oddybobo at July 29, 2005 01:14 PM (6Gm0j)
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Sorry, didn't read the above comments before posting mine . . . stupid girl, *smacks self in face*
Posted by: Oddybobo at July 29, 2005 01:15 PM (6Gm0j)
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In Corruption's Grasp [Allentown Morning Call]
Op-Ed
03.13.05
Corrupt.
It's not a word to be used lightly. But sometimes, it's the only word that fits, and this is one of those times.
Pennsylvania is the only state in the nation without a law requiring lobbyists to disclose what they're spending and doing to influence our legislators and our governor. The only state.
http://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/media/index.cfm?section=coverage&articleID=414&articleType=36
This should be an interesting contest. Not surprising, but interesting just the same.
Op-Ed
03.13.05
Corrupt.
It's not a word to be used lightly. But sometimes, it's the only word that fits, and this is one of those times.
Pennsylvania is the only state in the nation without a law requiring lobbyists to disclose what they're spending and doing to influence our legislators and our governor. The only state.
http://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/media/index.cfm?section=coverage&articleID=414&articleType=36
This should be an interesting contest. Not surprising, but interesting just the same.
Posted by: tomslick at July 29, 2005 01:24 PM (xNjHI)
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This just in on the PA legislature pay raise.
THis does sound like Jim Black does it not?
HARRISBURG -- Three Western Pennsylvania House members who voted against a pay raise for state officials are being stripped of their subcommittee chairmanships as punishment by House Minority Leader Bill DeWeese, D-Greene.
Losing the chairmanships will eventually cost Reps. Tom Tangretti, D-Greensburg, Jim Casorio, D-Irwin, and Joe Petrarca, D-Vandergrift, $4,000 in annual salary, according to a letter from DeWeese that became public Thursday.
They were among 15 Democratic pay raise opponents who were removed from vice chairmanships and subcommittee posts, which brought extra stipends on top of the 16 percent pay hike to $81,050 per year the Legislature approved for itself earlier this month.
Pennsylvanians opposed to the pay hike called DeWeese's actions outrageous.
"Obvious retribution being meted out to representatives who voted against the legislative pay grab clearly demonstrates how difficult it is for honorable individuals to serve in government today," said Oren Spiegler, of Upper St. Clair
THis does sound like Jim Black does it not?
HARRISBURG -- Three Western Pennsylvania House members who voted against a pay raise for state officials are being stripped of their subcommittee chairmanships as punishment by House Minority Leader Bill DeWeese, D-Greene.
Losing the chairmanships will eventually cost Reps. Tom Tangretti, D-Greensburg, Jim Casorio, D-Irwin, and Joe Petrarca, D-Vandergrift, $4,000 in annual salary, according to a letter from DeWeese that became public Thursday.
They were among 15 Democratic pay raise opponents who were removed from vice chairmanships and subcommittee posts, which brought extra stipends on top of the 16 percent pay hike to $81,050 per year the Legislature approved for itself earlier this month.
Pennsylvanians opposed to the pay hike called DeWeese's actions outrageous.
"Obvious retribution being meted out to representatives who voted against the legislative pay grab clearly demonstrates how difficult it is for honorable individuals to serve in government today," said Oren Spiegler, of Upper St. Clair
Posted by: tomslick at July 29, 2005 01:54 PM (xNjHI)
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Do PA legislators complain repeatedly about how they don't have enough money for "essential services" whilst giving themselves a pay raise?
NC does have some laws regarding lobbyists, but when there are "investigations," they honestly say that there are too many lobbyists who violate the law, so they can't punish them! Seriously -- they have records showing how many lobbyists haven't complied with the law, but there is zero enforcement -- if you don't comply, there's absolutely no punishment of any kind.
And yes, that sounds exactly like Jim Black -- even though the vote passed, because those people didn't vote with him, he punishes them. I wonder if Bill DeWeese's supporters will make the same cry Jim Black's do: "Well, he's not really a good legislator, but he's got seniority, so we're going to elect him."
Is there any hope left for this Representative Republic?
NC does have some laws regarding lobbyists, but when there are "investigations," they honestly say that there are too many lobbyists who violate the law, so they can't punish them! Seriously -- they have records showing how many lobbyists haven't complied with the law, but there is zero enforcement -- if you don't comply, there's absolutely no punishment of any kind.
And yes, that sounds exactly like Jim Black -- even though the vote passed, because those people didn't vote with him, he punishes them. I wonder if Bill DeWeese's supporters will make the same cry Jim Black's do: "Well, he's not really a good legislator, but he's got seniority, so we're going to elect him."
Is there any hope left for this Representative Republic?
Posted by: Ogre at July 29, 2005 02:03 PM (/k+l4)
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"Is there any hope left for this Representative Republic?"
I share the sentiments, but YES THERE IS.
I can't say how it will done or when. It seems like a hopeless scenario, but maybe, just maybe if the public would just look and see what is happening around them, then these same reps won't get a free a ride only because of a political affiliation.
I did run across this for PA. Seems like a good start, but I am not overly optimistic of the outcome.
incumbents need not apply...
Operation Clean Sweep is aimed at one simple goal: cleaning house in the Pennsylvania General Assembly by defeating every single incumbent officeholder up for re-election in 2006.
The current members of the General Assembly have slapped taxpayers in the face by awarding themselves a huge pay increase. While some members did vote "no" on the increase, it is common knowledge that all votes were pre-arranged to protect vulnerable seats.
Operation Clean Sweep is not a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Constitution or Green Party issue. It's us vs. them. The governed vs. the government. The taxpayers vs. the tax spenders.
http://www.pacleansweep.com/main.html
I share the sentiments, but YES THERE IS.
I can't say how it will done or when. It seems like a hopeless scenario, but maybe, just maybe if the public would just look and see what is happening around them, then these same reps won't get a free a ride only because of a political affiliation.
I did run across this for PA. Seems like a good start, but I am not overly optimistic of the outcome.
incumbents need not apply...
Operation Clean Sweep is aimed at one simple goal: cleaning house in the Pennsylvania General Assembly by defeating every single incumbent officeholder up for re-election in 2006.
The current members of the General Assembly have slapped taxpayers in the face by awarding themselves a huge pay increase. While some members did vote "no" on the increase, it is common knowledge that all votes were pre-arranged to protect vulnerable seats.
Operation Clean Sweep is not a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Constitution or Green Party issue. It's us vs. them. The governed vs. the government. The taxpayers vs. the tax spenders.
http://www.pacleansweep.com/main.html
Posted by: tomslick at July 29, 2005 02:35 PM (xNjHI)
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Yes Ogre, we are always getting the line that there isn't money in the budget for certain services, yet the money is there for the legislators to grab for themselves, ironic no?
Posted by: Oddybobo at July 29, 2005 03:06 PM (6Gm0j)
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I read that site, Tomslick -- great idea! I truly hope that one will succeed! I'll be watching it closely, and if it even works partway, I'll be glad to get something like that moving here in North Carolina!
Posted by: Ogre at July 30, 2005 07:49 AM (L0IGK)
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One more note that I didn't see in the rest of the PA comments - did you know that the folks who voted against the pay raise were penalized?
Nice buncha goons we got up here.
But at least we're not talking about making smoking in one's car illegal - that's Joisey, next door.
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Nice buncha goons we got up here.
But at least we're not talking about making smoking in one's car illegal - that's Joisey, next door.
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Posted by: birdwoman at July 30, 2005 10:37 AM (Sc2Wh)
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Yes, tomSlick mentioned that one, Birdwoman -- that's exactly how things work here in North Carolina -- agree with the king, or pay.
And Jersey is very quickly becoming the California of the East.
And Jersey is very quickly becoming the California of the East.
Posted by: Ogre at July 30, 2005 10:43 AM (L0IGK)
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Pay raises would be fine if there will be Government job cuts.
Posted by: Michael R. Churchill at July 31, 2005 09:45 AM (zpkTY)
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I still think that quite literally every single aspect of NC Government should be reduced.
Posted by: Ogre at July 31, 2005 01:20 PM (L0IGK)
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Pennsylvania Activist Sues Over Lawmakers' Pay Raise
The Associated Press
Published: Aug 1, 2005
HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) - An activist filed a lawsuit Monday contesting a pay raise lawmakers approved for themselves last month, saying the state constitution prohibits the legislature from increasing its own members' pay.
The bill increased legislators' base pay from $69,647 to $81,050 and gives a bonus to the scores of lawmakers who hold committee posts. It also raised the salaries of Gov. Ed Rendell, senior executive branch appointees, judges, row officers and prosecutors.
Activist Gene Stilp filed the lawsuit in Commonwealth Court, naming Rendell and Treasurer Robert P. Casey Jr., who are both Democrats, and House Speaker John M. Perzel and the Senate President Pro Tempore Robert C. Jubelirer, both Republicans.
Last month, 15 Democrats who voted against the pay raise were demoted from their committee posts and were replaced with colleagues who voted for it.
Ok, This is getting interesting. The judges got a pay raise from this vote and will be deciding the case. No conflict of interest here. I wonder what the Vegas odds are on this one?
The Associated Press
Published: Aug 1, 2005
HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) - An activist filed a lawsuit Monday contesting a pay raise lawmakers approved for themselves last month, saying the state constitution prohibits the legislature from increasing its own members' pay.
The bill increased legislators' base pay from $69,647 to $81,050 and gives a bonus to the scores of lawmakers who hold committee posts. It also raised the salaries of Gov. Ed Rendell, senior executive branch appointees, judges, row officers and prosecutors.
Activist Gene Stilp filed the lawsuit in Commonwealth Court, naming Rendell and Treasurer Robert P. Casey Jr., who are both Democrats, and House Speaker John M. Perzel and the Senate President Pro Tempore Robert C. Jubelirer, both Republicans.
Last month, 15 Democrats who voted against the pay raise were demoted from their committee posts and were replaced with colleagues who voted for it.
Ok, This is getting interesting. The judges got a pay raise from this vote and will be deciding the case. No conflict of interest here. I wonder what the Vegas odds are on this one?
Posted by: Tomslick at August 01, 2005 02:08 PM (xNjHI)
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Excellent point -- if all parties without a financial interest in the case recuse themselves, there's no one left to judge -- except federal judges...
Posted by: Ogre at August 01, 2005 02:46 PM (L0IGK)
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