That A.C.L.U., What Jokers!
What's wrong with this picture?
If you look closely at the picture above, you will note that all the Marines pictured are bowing their heads. That's because they're praying.
This incident took place at a recent ceremony honoring the birthday of the corps, and it has the ACLU up in arms. "These are federal employees," says Lucius Traveler, a spokesman for the ACLU, "on federal property and on federal time. For them to pray is clearly an establishment of religion, and we must nip this in the bud immediately."
When asked about the ACLU's charges, Colonel Jack Fessender, speaking for the Commandant of the Corps said (cleaned up a bit), "Screw the ACLU." GOD Bless Our Warriors, Send the ACLU to France.
Please send this to people you know so everyone will know how stupid the ACLU is Getting in trying ! to remove GOD from everything and every place in America. May God Bless America, One Nation Under GOD!
What's wrong with the picture? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING GOD BLESS AMERICA,
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!
Posted by: Delftsman3 at 01:15 AM
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When you claim that God blesses your bloodthirsty nation and your murderous, torturing troops, one begins to wonder whether your 'God' is Satanic.
Posted by: truth_doesn't_hurt at January 23, 2005 04:48 PM (mCYFQ)
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I whole heartedly agree there is nothing wrong with the picture above. In fact if ever a group of people needed prayer it would be those troops.
They need not only their own prayers but ours as well.
On a less agreeable note, I must tell you delftsman I am sadly disappointed to find that you have such a disparaging opinion of my blog and my opinions. I have respected you and not only appreciated but enjoyed your comments on my blog. I welcome your point of view. While I may not agree with you or be often swayed by you, I admire your willingness to stand up and defend your political stance. But, when you to other blogs and make negative (and borderline erroneous) comments about me, it leads me to believe that you do not return my respect. In fact it leads me to believe that you view me as a fool whom you tolerate only for entertainments value. Besides the fact that you invite trolls to my blog. How ungentlemanly of you. You take my southern hospitality and you shame me. I am wounded sir.
They need not only their own prayers but ours as well.
On a less agreeable note, I must tell you delftsman I am sadly disappointed to find that you have such a disparaging opinion of my blog and my opinions. I have respected you and not only appreciated but enjoyed your comments on my blog. I welcome your point of view. While I may not agree with you or be often swayed by you, I admire your willingness to stand up and defend your political stance. But, when you to other blogs and make negative (and borderline erroneous) comments about me, it leads me to believe that you do not return my respect. In fact it leads me to believe that you view me as a fool whom you tolerate only for entertainments value. Besides the fact that you invite trolls to my blog. How ungentlemanly of you. You take my southern hospitality and you shame me. I am wounded sir.
Posted by: wanda at January 23, 2005 05:39 PM (1ivbm)
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They can pray all they like, wherever they like. I have no problem with prayer, but they must also allow the other religions the same right. Also, they need to not try to force their religion(s) on others. That is what the schools and companies get in trouble for. You must have only one God and that God must be this God. I like the Native American Indians' ideas of Gods.
by the way, I really appreciate your comment section. I neglected to put in my E-mail address and since it's required, the software told me I needed to put it in, however, it kept my original comment so I didn't have to RE-TYPE it all. That was truly wonderful
by the way, I really appreciate your comment section. I neglected to put in my E-mail address and since it's required, the software told me I needed to put it in, however, it kept my original comment so I didn't have to RE-TYPE it all. That was truly wonderful
Posted by: oldwhitelady at January 23, 2005 08:06 PM (wyE7H)
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I guarantee that no one was ordered to bow their heads. Anytime a chaplain prays at any type of event or ceremony he invites people to pray. There is no obligation or requirement to pray to any one particular god or to participate at all for that matter. Each member of the armed forces is entitled to exercise their own views.
On a second note, Wanda, I don't think Delfts intention was to draw trolls to your site, but to merely draw some of those with differing opinions. Delfts and I don't always see eye to eye either, but we will always have a good relationship as friends.
SlagleRock Out!
On a second note, Wanda, I don't think Delfts intention was to draw trolls to your site, but to merely draw some of those with differing opinions. Delfts and I don't always see eye to eye either, but we will always have a good relationship as friends.
SlagleRock Out!
Posted by: SlagleRock at January 23, 2005 10:14 PM (fTGYN)
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Also, if you look closely at the picture it is obvious that there are those that are exercising their rights by not participating. There are several Marines that are simply looking straight ahead.
SlagleRock Out!
SlagleRock Out!
Posted by: SlagleRock at January 23, 2005 10:16 PM (fTGYN)
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As with any branch in the military not all are Christians, it is common to respect the beliefs of others whenever a prayer service is held. For non Christians there are non denominational chaplains available to serve their needs. Having attended nearly every denominational service the military has to offer, never have I heard an order to pray, it is always a request. If you ever find yourself paying last respects over poncho draped bodies of fallen comrades what difference does it make which denomination is saying the benediction. The ACLU would like to ban all prayer but until I see the words "In ACLU We Trust" as our national motto Fuck'em , I'll stick with "In God We Trust".
Posted by: Jack at January 24, 2005 06:11 AM (5jtiZ)
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Don't worry Wanda. From what I can tell Delftsman either had a troubled childhood, or isn't taking his medication. Maybe both.
Yours isn't the first blog he has come to and ridiculed. Combine that with his rabid racism, his contempt for anything and anyone non-American, his relgious fanaticism, continous support for militarism, and the number of times the word 'imperial' and 'empire' appear on this blog and I think you'll agree he's a bit of a headcase...
Yours isn't the first blog he has come to and ridiculed. Combine that with his rabid racism, his contempt for anything and anyone non-American, his relgious fanaticism, continous support for militarism, and the number of times the word 'imperial' and 'empire' appear on this blog and I think you'll agree he's a bit of a headcase...
Posted by: anti-imperialist at January 24, 2005 03:14 PM (onRjP)
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The picture looks fine to me. Oh damn Delftsman, you've upset the moonbats.
Posted by: EC at January 24, 2005 03:46 PM (yYGP5)
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As someone formerly in the military, I can say that I always found it offensive that the U.S. government assumes that everyone's a Christian and has Christian prayers as part of virtually every military ceremony. If the prayer is voluntary, they should dismiss everyone who isn't a Christian from formation. Isn't it highly hypocritical that the same people who are up in arms about China not allowing religious organizations that don't register with the state are falling over themselves in glee when the U.S. government sanctions religious practice. And the Muslims in the Middle East are supposed to trust us to help them establish a secular democracy. What a joke!
Posted by: Karlo at January 24, 2005 05:41 PM (HoLw7)
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Combine that with his rabid racism, his contempt for anything and anyone non-American, his relgious fanaticism, continous support for militarism, and the number of times the word 'imperial' and 'empire' appear on this blog and I think you'll agree he's a bit of a headcase...
AI; Just WHERE do you find ANYTHING that could be termed "racist" in my blog? OR "religeous fanaticism"? I am not religeous in any of the common sort of definitions. I believe in a God, but I don't believe in a religion. I do believe that religion can be comforting to it's adherants, but it's a personal choice for every individual as to what form that might take, and woe to the person that tries to force me to his practice.
I am NOT against anything not American Yes I do decry actions in foreign nations when they warrent it, when those actions are held up by the moonbats as the right path to go here. I was not born American, I chose to become American, but I do hold great esteem for my heritage.
As to militarism, if that means that I applaud just action in defense of our national security, I gladly plead guilty. We may honestly disagree as to what is just or not.
As for the references to "Imperial" and "Empire", please take note of the rather large button prominantly displayed in my gutter for the Anti-Idiotarion Rottweiler, of which I am a proud "Loyal Citizen"....it's a tongue in cheek group, you twit. Although the humor might be lost on such as you.
I never ridicule other blogs, I have ridiculed certain forms of moonbat idiologies. Of which I don't consider of Wanda. We certainly honestly disagree on most things, but I can respect her for her honest opinion. And unlike Trolls, and some libs, I ALWAYS leave my real e-mail addy and URL; so they can respond directly to me should they wish to.
AI; Just WHERE do you find ANYTHING that could be termed "racist" in my blog? OR "religeous fanaticism"? I am not religeous in any of the common sort of definitions. I believe in a God, but I don't believe in a religion. I do believe that religion can be comforting to it's adherants, but it's a personal choice for every individual as to what form that might take, and woe to the person that tries to force me to his practice.
I am NOT against anything not American Yes I do decry actions in foreign nations when they warrent it, when those actions are held up by the moonbats as the right path to go here. I was not born American, I chose to become American, but I do hold great esteem for my heritage.
As to militarism, if that means that I applaud just action in defense of our national security, I gladly plead guilty. We may honestly disagree as to what is just or not.
As for the references to "Imperial" and "Empire", please take note of the rather large button prominantly displayed in my gutter for the Anti-Idiotarion Rottweiler, of which I am a proud "Loyal Citizen"....it's a tongue in cheek group, you twit. Although the humor might be lost on such as you.
I never ridicule other blogs, I have ridiculed certain forms of moonbat idiologies. Of which I don't consider of Wanda. We certainly honestly disagree on most things, but I can respect her for her honest opinion. And unlike Trolls, and some libs, I ALWAYS leave my real e-mail addy and URL; so they can respond directly to me should they wish to.
Posted by: delftsman3 at January 25, 2005 05:39 AM (hTrQW)
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Look out Knewt she's startin' to rear!
Go get 'em Delfts!!
I got your back and it'd be so far away they'd never even here the crack of the rifle, LOL
SlagleRock Out!
Go get 'em Delfts!!
I got your back and it'd be so far away they'd never even here the crack of the rifle, LOL
SlagleRock Out!
Posted by: SlagleRock at January 28, 2005 01:42 AM (fTGYN)
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This story is an internet hoax.
The picture, obviously, is genuine. However, the story is some ignorant idiot’s effort to get people riled up over his own personal opinion of the ACLU.
1. An internet search for ‘Lucius Traveler,’ the alleged ACLU spokesman, and ‘Col. Jack Fessender,’ the alleged Marine Corps PAO, turns up nothing except the text of this story repeated on a dozen or so blogs. Even the US Marine Corps website has nothing about this story or anyone named Fessender. Nothing else at all on the internet. No press releases, no interviews. My guess is that these two individuals are fictitious, or they are the world’s worst spokesmen.
2. The ACLU website has no such press release. The ACLU website does have a statement saying that they have no knowledge of the events described in the e-mail, and that they do not employ nor have they ever employed an individual named Lucius Traveler. http://www.aclu.com/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertyMain.cfm
3. This e-mail is debunked on several websites which specialize in rumors and urban legends, including Snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/cemetery.asp); TruthorFiction.com (http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/a/aclu-marines.htm); and breakthechain.org (http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/marinepray.html).
The picture, obviously, is genuine. However, the story is some ignorant idiot’s effort to get people riled up over his own personal opinion of the ACLU.
1. An internet search for ‘Lucius Traveler,’ the alleged ACLU spokesman, and ‘Col. Jack Fessender,’ the alleged Marine Corps PAO, turns up nothing except the text of this story repeated on a dozen or so blogs. Even the US Marine Corps website has nothing about this story or anyone named Fessender. Nothing else at all on the internet. No press releases, no interviews. My guess is that these two individuals are fictitious, or they are the world’s worst spokesmen.
2. The ACLU website has no such press release. The ACLU website does have a statement saying that they have no knowledge of the events described in the e-mail, and that they do not employ nor have they ever employed an individual named Lucius Traveler. http://www.aclu.com/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertyMain.cfm
3. This e-mail is debunked on several websites which specialize in rumors and urban legends, including Snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/cemetery.asp); TruthorFiction.com (http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/a/aclu-marines.htm); and breakthechain.org (http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/marinepray.html).
Posted by: Mike at October 23, 2005 12:07 AM (Bh4Rw)
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